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20:00
The world is blue and orange
Or are you the kind of shameless freaks that use word wrapping
@R.MartinhoFernandes Denied!
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@Prismatic No.
do I get any feedback on my make answer?
20:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes That old chestnut.
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80 column guide is a guide, not a religion.
@Prismatic Yes, 80 columns in my own code.
@wilx You are mighty slow to read, it seems.
(Oh wait, I remember, you sometimes cop out because tl;dr)
@rightfold Sure but what if some particularly nasty line of code is like 200 characters long
I try to keep it to 80 chars
20:01
@rightfold Every time I see you with actual reasonable sentences, I slap myself.
the 80 column rule is nonsensical for non-ancient monitors.
It doesn't happen very often.
@EtiennedeMartel let me do it; I'm sure it will be more satisfiable
@sehe Yes, I am.
I try to keep my code fit on my 1080p screen with little font.
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20:01
@Prismatic 200 is very long for a line of code, and only a moron/inexperienced programmer would not refactor them into shorter lines.
@sehe Also true. :D
@Veritas No, it makes a lot of sense even for modern monitors
Frankly it's not hard.
sometimes I like to several pieces of code side by side. Hard to do that when lines are off screen here and there.
Especially if you have an editor where you can have several documents open at once side by side
20:02
Although there are times where I do have to break lines, lol
@Veritas It makes sense if you want to keep things like callstack and other windows around when debugging.
Emacs wraps it for you, but that's just ugly
@EtiennedeMartel A broken clock is right at least twice a day etc.
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I like 80 columns and 8-space indentation because it promotes less nesting and I can have the NERD tree open as well as two files side-by-side in Vim.
> error: inline namespace cannot be reopened as a non-inline namespace
20:03
@wilx It's ok. I'm getting used to this.
IDE at work doesn't wrap it, I get a nice scrollbar at the bottom
Dang they did think of that.
@Prismatic maybe but this number was originally picked because of line column limitations. Keeping it to 80 right now is arbitrary.
@Rapptz I find it interesting that you never really seem to mind my incessant bullying of rightfold.
@Griwes Your gf accidentally an 'l', Franky
20:04
@sehe What else can you do, right? :)
hiiiilarious
Yup. I'm funny like hell
I don't really consider it bullying.
Sorry
You're funny like Ell
20:04
:D That's the Scottish version
Yes, I have some Fortran punchcards. So what, it's readable. Narrower columns of text are more readable too, why do you think newspapers have columns like that?
I have several sources to cite in my bibliographic database, too.
Yup agreed. I do everything for readability. Including deviating from rules
@Rapptz Then what is it, then?
Reckless bashing?
Gratuitous insulting?
Sure
20:06
Unwarranted abuse?
@AlexM. I nearly do not see a difference.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Spoken like a true Denver Broncos fan.
@AlexM. right is too dark. Nevermind that there are more details to keep the GPU occupied. I can't see them anymore. #missionfailed
@sehe I wonder if the dude who is posting this is actually the dude on the photo. Somehow, I cannot imagine somebody like him being so funny. :)
Such prejudice.
20:09
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed.
I can, actually. But yeah, the humour is western
@sehe I cannot, not with the moustache. :)
Especially because of that
I mean, myself, I'm funny as hell
@sehe Right. But you are cleanly shaven, right!?
I have staches/beards in varying lengths (and not just in the neck)
20:11
Oh...
A fellow.
@rightfold It varies by person (somewhat) but is open to objecting test and measurement.
The combined period is roughly 12 months
@sehe I just sent lori an invitation to the Lounge
who's willing to look at an answer for me?
@Columbo Ok.
@AaronHall Depends :)
@sehe I thought, now that we're having an affair, we should share things
My last message in that room is from before I was born (I'm a bit over 10000d old)
@Columbo Lori == LRiO?
@sehe depends on?
@Columbo Ah. Thanks so much for splaining
20:18
@sehe ye
I put my opening braces on a new line.
> Send me a F#ckFriends request so we can hook up



My usename is VeronicaWet
Wow, sexy alliteration right there
FuckFriends.
I mean the alliteration.
That's it?
20:23
I think...
My mom says I can't play with you guys anymore
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Your mom is wise
But can we play with your mom?
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@AaronHall I'll have a word with her...
She says you're a bad influence and potty mouths.
20:25
She wants us for herself! :)
@AaronHall Well do not fuck her!
Do not fuck her
is dragged away by his ear
Really, don't
If "potty mouths" means using the full expressive abilities of the English language, she's right.
20:26
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or poop fetish.
@AndyProwl Maybe she is not his biological mother...
@wilx That's a kinky plot twist
@nabijaczleweli Coprophilia.
@wilx Egg-sack-tly (according to Dr. Wikipedia)
20:35
Are there any FOSS tools that let you profile C++ applications and give you this kind of visual output:
@MartinJames #include <iostream
arrrrrrgh, dat missing >
That looks like fortran to me — Dieter Lücking 2 hours ago
@MartinJames Eat your SSD anyway!
It's messing with my mind
And if you're hungry, your HDD too!
20:39
So I fixed a problem with regular expressions.
@milleniumbug lol, didn't see that:) With the missing '>', I'm sure it would compile fine:)
Herm. What happens when I try out :se complete+=kspell in vim:
I would like to test how well this programmability thing actually works.
It's an amalgamate of maelstroms befuddling our collective taxonomical prurience.
Flabbergastingly it amassed a barrage of abrasive abracadabras.
> error: lambda expression in an unevaluated operand
ugh C++ you silly
decltype? or typeid?
what is your intended use case?
20:42
@sehe decltype
Old hat
decltype of a lambda is meaningless
but I suppose there could be cases where it's useful as a subexpression
@Puppy Testing that the type of a function call taking a callback is correct.
beat you to it
I have used decltype on lambdas to write strong typedefs
20:44
@Columbo Volkswagen is also alliterative now, nay?
Ugh C++ auto return type deduction rules are dumb. Can't just return make_optional in one place and boost::none in another :F
They're two different types, duh
How would it work
Yes. I am returning an optional first, and then something that can be converted to an optional.
It should be smart enough to figure this out.
Wide can.
So the first mentioned return statement would determine the return type?
20:49
@milleniumbug Or common_type or whatever.
This is one of the cases where the compiler should be smart enough to infer what I want.
@Griwes That.. is substantially more complex than it first appears.
@Griwes This is C++, not gonna happen :P
the thing is that it's simple-ish to infer the return type from many return statements, and it's a metric fuckton harder if the return type is used anywhere else in the program.
Maybe.
especially if recursion is involved.
20:50
(the pun, hurr hurr)
@Puppy No recursion in this case.
also handling the types of expressions when you don't know what the return type actually is
especially if those types involve template instantiations or static assertions
Sure. Complex. It is still saner than just playing dumb.
s/playing/being/ or whatever
well not really, since you'd have to reimplement practically every C++ compiler on the planet from the ground up to support it
Great. Let's do that.
Maybe we'll end up with an usable language this time.
@Puppy Didn't that already happen twice or thrice? :P
20:54
yeah
@Griwes Wide
@Puppy No, Vapor.
But I need fmap to write Vapor. But well, ?: instead of neatly readable code it is.
I came for the flags. Stahp. D:
@Griwes it's not playing dumb. It's having boundaries and priorities
@milleniumbug Certainly not. Which handsomely explains that MSVC is still struggling
@SterlingArcher Thank you ever so much for suggesting this. We will, certainly, now repent from our erring ways. And in case you know wtf flags, kill'em for us?
what flags?
I did not observe any flags
Yeah. Haven't seen one either
21:08
The mom star thing was flagged
Why is it that entitled snots always barge in and accuse the entire populace (who are never to blame and also victims of the same).
> true if the component is enabled; otherwise, false. The default is false. If you are using the component on a designer in Visual Studio 2005, the default is true.
Erf.
@SterlingArcher Ugh. I can guess who that might have been. :(
Soz for that. /cc @khajvah
Columbo
21:08
@sehe i voted to invalid ;)
Nothin like a good mom [joke]
I don't see flags on phone :D
@SterlingArcher I don't mind either way (although indeed invalidation is likely (a) quicker (b) better in terms of discouraging flagging)
@Puppy Hey, that's the English flag.
it's the UK flag.
Sterling!
21:10
not the same thing
@EtiennedeMartel Nah, it's just a small portion of the Australian flag
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@AndyProwl But very zoomed in.
Ell
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel that's the union jack m8
Normally I wouldn't give a crap but this is the first flag since I hit 10k so I'm making a big deal about it because it's exciting
21:11
@AndyProwl I remember that being used on the Canadian flag before we manned up and picked a real flag.
@AndyProwl It wasn't cut out to be...
@EtiennedeMartel Didn't know that
@SterlingArcher Ah. Enjoy it. It will be the last time you liked it :/
@Andy it's a common occurrence in their ex-colonies
Argh. I shouldn't have packed my laptop.
21:13
@AndyProwl That said, Quebec picked a flag before Canada did.
And when Canada did, many provinces decided to keep the Union Jack on their flags in protest.
ok... so you have collections of things. The things are named semantically. The things know what collection they belong to. So that attribute of the things is called the... collection? That name just doesn't work for me though... And I don't want to go with the plural, .things yuck...
Ell
Ell
Quebec sound to Canada what Scotland is to Britain
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I figured, just didn't know Canada used to have the Union Jack too
@Ell Quebec has more political power versus Canada compared to Scotland vs the UK.
Ell
Ell
I think it is known as the royal union jack in canada or something
21:14
Morning people
Ell
Ell
Royal Union Flag sorry
@EtiennedeMartel How would you know?
Quebec is like France, but Americans, and without the good food.
@Rapptz I recently read about what Scotland got out of the whole independence shebang.
Ell
Ell
21:15
that sounds awful :P
Turns out they didn't get that much out of the deal.
@Ell A bunch of people who get worked up about a meaningless line on an ancient map?
Ell
Ell
@Puppy Not really
scotland isn't worked up because of the lines on the map
inb4 puketine
Ell
Ell
21:16
they are worked up because of fiscal independence etc. etc.
I have yet to observe them being worked up about anything else
Ell
Ell
but I don't think they even are
I think we should just let 'em free and be rid of 'em
@Ell Right, which is "People on X side of line of map want to be independent of people on Y side"
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The Dutch flag is the best flag.
@R.MartinhoFernandes We have the best bagels and the best smoked meat in the world.
Ell
Ell
21:17
@Puppy that is totally different to being worked up about where a line is drawn
New York can go fuck itself.
@Ell It's completely identical.
Best smoked wgat
Haha
user1804599
Don't smoke wget.
user1804599
Smoke curl instead.
Ell
Ell
21:17
@Puppy How?
You're talking to an Iberian, dude
Ell
Ell
I'm not even going to bother vOv
the whole thing exists only because and is defined by the line on the map
Get some respect
Ell
Ell
Italy does good smoked meat
spain also
England does good ham :P
21:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes You don't have enough Jews.
lol, wtf?
We make it out of pigs, not people
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Pigs are good.
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> 1 sec i saw it on HN
They have plenty of north African blood there...
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21:19
R.I.P.
Also, isn't having few Jews good?
@R.MartinhoFernandes We don't, because our smoked meat is typically made by Jews and they don't eat pigs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It depends on who you replace them with. :)
@EtiennedeMartel you must construct additional jews
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alright you can have that
21:20
Night.
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@EtiennedeMartel They also say muslims don't smoke, yet I see a lot of them smoke at a place I'm often.
@wilx night
maaaaaaaaaan check this out. To print a number as a binary string:
std::cout << std::bitset<64>(123) << std::endl;
what a neat trick
@Prismatic I agree.
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yay
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21:28
Go 1.5 will support dynamic linking and calling from C main.
@Prismatic p. old
@Prismatic It gets even better: with std::bitset<64>(123).to_string(char0, char1) you can display other characters than '0' and '1'! (C++11+ only)
Does anyone of you understand a bit of regression analysis?
No.
How is that even relevant to C++
Ask on a regression analysis chatroom.
to quote hamlet act III scene iii line 92, “no”
21:29
It's a bit weird that there's std::hex, std::dec, and std::oct but no std::bin
@milleniumbug haha I guess people in C++ know math :D
This code is horrendous.
Who wrote that shit.
Oh, right, me.
You know that feeling when you secretly hope that nobody uses a bit of code you've written so that nobody finds bugs in it?
nop
Well, I do.
I got a bug report for a shit mountain I crapped out two years ago.
I'm wondering if I can just hack the stuff.
@EtiennedeMartel No
I do it openly
21:34
Wait, it's three years ago.
This code is old.
@AndyProwl I had mentally bookmarked that one for lounge use too :L)
Wow. The saffron plant is actually an aberrant mutation that cannot reproduce. We just keep cloning it forever.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe that's why it's so damn expensive.
It's expensive because each plant gives very little actual saffron.
@sehe I love the guy
21:38
Interesting.
It takes some 2000 square metres per kilo.
And since we can't just dump a bunch of seeds on a field...
I understand now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bananas are also all clones.
apparently we used to have a better variety of banana that was sweeter and more nutritious than the bananas we have now
but they all died out due to a disease because they were clones and could not evolve a defence
Yes, but banana trees reproduce by cloning naturally.
Really? I was under the impression that we're cloning seedless mutants.
21:41
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Er.
A basal shoot, root sprout, adventitious shoot, water sprout or sucker is a shoot or cane which grows from a bud at the base of a tree or shrub or from adventitious buds in its roots. A plant that produces suckers is referred to as surculose. Root suckers may emerge some distance from the originating plant, are considered a form of vegetative dispersal and may originate a habitat patch where that tree is the dominant species. Suckers also may arise from the stumps of trees that have been cut down. == Ecology == In botany, a 'sucker' is a plant growing not from a seed but developed of a meristem...
That terminology
Plants are fucking weird, man.
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A: What's the benefit of exceptions specification in Java?

Jean-Baptiste YunèsThere is no profit in Java, exception specification is mandatory. Java was designed with a more strong type system than C++. In C++, exception specification was optional, and Java designers thought that exception is a important part of program design, so they decided to enforce exception specific...

> Java was designed with a more strong type system than C++.
> Because cultivated bananas are propagated by conventional vegetative reproduction rather than through sexual reproduction, each of the Cavendish clones are genetically identical and cannot evolve disease resistance. As there is currently no effective fungicide against Panama disease, some have speculated about a future where Cavendish cultivars are not usable for farming. In such a scenario, a separate cultivar may be developed as a replacement (as happened with the Gros Michel).
Well.
@R.MartinhoFernandes well played
21:44
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same with seedless...whatevers (oranges, watermelons, etc.) Essentially all the grapes used to make wine are of one species; all of a particular varietal are clones of a single plant.
> There is no profit in Java
I agree with that part
Yeah, grapes are typically clones by grafting.
@BenjaminGruenbaum Unfortunately that seems to be false.
My grandpa used to do that.
@JerryCoffin yeah, lots of companies love them some java
21:47
@BenjaminGruenbaum Our entire backend runs on Java.
Actually most cultivated plants are chimeras.
Companies love the JVM, and they figure that dealing with Java is a necessary evil.
I'm so grateful we're with C#, it's such a lesser evil
Fills me with disgust when I see "Ohne Gentechnik" ("no GMOs") in supermarkets here in Germany :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, didn't used to be the case, but then Phylloxera wiped out nearly all the grapes throughout most of Europe. Now pretty much all of them use Phylloxera-resistant root-stock.
21:51
@R.MartinhoFernandes why?
@sehe My momma is alliterative
Because it's a stupid ideological marketing label.
@Columbo oh, tell her I'm sorry I forgot
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because genetic engineering has been done to cultivated plants for centuries?
So what? Out of all the stupid things people do organic foods are what upsets you?
@JerryCoffin You don't have to convince me it's silly, I'm jus wondering why it fills robot with disgust.
21:52
@BenjaminGruenbaum Really bugs one of my coworkers too.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have a bunch of, let's call them hippy, friends. Their rationale is that "GMO" refers to the mixing genes from different species or even kingdoms. But it's a pretty arbitrary limit. I remember one of them telling me "octopus genes don't belong in fruits".
@R.MartinhoFernandes O? Genetisch Modifizierte ? (Obst. got it just in time)
Oh thanks. I hadn't noticed nothing else in the world that upset me.
@JerryCoffin I don't understand why, if someone wants to be stupid with their money they should be allowed to do that.
(Yes, I know people are starving in Africa)
21:53
People are starving outside of Africa
@sehe Genetically Modified Organisms.
...
@Etienne mixing genes from different species is how you make chimeras.
I can't do the emoticon for my face right now
I don't know, I feel that if someone wants to act stupid without hurting other people - they should be allowed to. As long as information is available.
21:54
Chimeras are everywhere in conventional horticulture.
@Benjamin it promotes a culture where it's acceptable to spread the misinformation that makes the label an effective marketing mechanism.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, then the spread of misinformation is what disgusts you?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Let's say we push GMO labelling forward. Where do we stop? Because nearly every item in a supermarket would need such a label.
@BenjaminGruenbaum What's the problem with that?
@EtiennedeMartel I don't care if you put a "pink star" label on products or a "robot approved" label. Nothing needs such a label but it's a marketing scheme.
Like putting bogus "diet" labels on products, or making them seem healthy when they're not.
Yeah. The prevalence of those labels is just a sign of that culture that I am exposed to easily.
What is your point?
21:57
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think it's a problem, I was just curios.
@BenjaminGruenbaum You jumped at the call with such ferocity that I feel like you're far more than just "curious".
@EtiennedeMartel no, I generally agree with robot's opinion, I think paying more for "no GMOs" is stupid. I just had a discussion about it with my dad the other day and getting coincidental conversation on such the subject seemed interesting.

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