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FFS
lol
@Mr.kbok reminds me of
Jan 27 at 22:49, by Alex M.
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@AlexM. "What" ?
click on date for context
Was the method name "what" or.. just like this
16:02
that reminds me of the place I used to work, where they had a comment on practically EVERY. LINE. OF. CODE
OH GOD WHY???
read from that mesasge upwards
yeah ^^
Also the classes are named like that
> LOCALDISTRIBUTIONService
No idea
@TonyTheLion here people try to keep doxygen comments on things
but the plan always falls apart when deadlines
at least there is a plan
it is such a silly solution in an environment where there's no time to maintain both code and comments
never even tried to do it
16:14
do any of you ever write obsceneties in your code
I've yet to meet people who don't understand what my 5-line functions do by analyzing their name
@Prismatic all the time
Because using namespace std; is bad
@Prismatic yep
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@Prismatic mostly in debugging strings
16:15
@Mr.kbok that would make it worse
for (int i = 0; i < n; ++i) //le sexy time xDDDDDDd
like that
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If(bad){std::cout << "fuck!\n”;}
ive written mean things about opengl in my code a few times
@AlexM. just what
int a = 0; //[tag:sehe-so-whoosh]
on a more serious note, nope
16:17
@AlexM. I hate comments at the end of the line.
I don't and wouldn't
so many people read my code
and the last thing I want is QA sending debug logs around with "i = 15 what the fuck this should not happen" in them
user1804599
Hello.
@wilx where else do you put them..? in the middle of the line? cause then, you're not writing any code
there's this branch though that I made only for me to work on an experiment
one of my commit messages was "I like pizza"
user1804599
@Ven ok
I left this comment once: \\there's a secret porn stash if you can figure out the below riddle
user1804599
> \\
It was in a raw literal
> > \\
16:23
@Meraj99 safest!
@Meraj99 above
@AlexM. technically thats still end of the line :3
I'm sure that if you try to go one level of pedantry extra
you'll realize that you're wrong
@Meraj99 Above.
well, TECHNICALLY, above is still 'end of the line', where 'end of the line' means, no code after it :P
16:31
man qtcreator is so great <3
I wonder how debugging looks with lldb
everyone should post a screenshot of their dev environment so we can all see how much nicer mine looks
@Prismatic What's that font called?
user1804599
Which one?
@Jefffrey Terminus
It's a pixmap font. I'd use something else if I had a higher resolution screen
Thanks
Xeo
Xeo
@Prismatic 1080p isn't hi-res enough for you?
16:40
I find that programming fonts with anti aliasing don't look good at 1080p at the size I want to use them (usually 9 or 10pt). They look good at like 14 or 16pt but thats too big for me at 1080p
@Prismatic Your m_ warts on your members completely negates any possible beauty, and turns it all into an unbearably ugly mess.
@JerryCoffin Do you just like the 'm_' prefix or dislike any special notation for members altogether
I use k_ (constants), g_ (globals), s_ (static members), m_ (members) :p
@Prismatic Are you telling me this ^ font doesn't look good?
@Griwes It looks really good, actually.
@Griwes Not sharp enough for my taste
16:45
@Prismatic lel
Your font physically hurts my eyes.
So there's that for its "sharpness".
user1804599
Inorganic chemistry > organic chemistry.
@Prismatic I dislike all those warts.
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@Griwes Yeah, you probably have bad eyesight
^ that's sharp. Too big though... would look nicer at higher resolutions
The only such "wart" I'm using is leading _ for private/protected members.
user1804599
Well, then I'll also post my editor.
16:47
Mine is just as sharp.
Oh shit! Fira has a mono variant out
@Griwes No, it really isn't
And yours is too sharp, I'm seeing raw pixels there!
@Prismatic Yes, it really is.
@Griwes Because its a pixmap!
@R.MartinhoFernandes XL
@Griwes I find the color combinations are so disturbing it's almost impossible to look carefully at the fonts themselves.
16:48
And yes, I'm nearsighted, but that doesn't change the tiniest bit - yours is insane.
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Best possible font.
@JerryCoffin You mean in my setup? :D
@rightfold dat terrible 80 (?) column ugly thing
I have foodified myself
feels good
@Prismatic I thought we had a rule about at least putting an "NSFW" label on things like porn, JS and Perl.
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@Griwes Yes.
16:50
@JerryCoffin Hmm. I am extremely happy with the colors in the setup.
Also semantic coloring = win.
@Rapptz noticed the foliage improvements brought by the latest patch?
@rightfold not colorful enough
it should look a lot better on higher details
right is post-patch
> 1.04 adds a negative mipmap bias of -1 which improves texture clarity, especially on fine leaf foliage, quite noticeably
@AlexM. "negative mipmap bias of -1"? So do they mean "a mipmap bias of -1" or "a mipmap bias of +1"? Should really learn how to write...
16:53
I think they say it's negative because it's "-1"
@Prismatic That font is... weird.
Yeah its kinda serif-y for a mono font but I quite like it
"MACABRA" is the best font
(That's not a "that font is ugly"; it's just weird.)
16:54
> C++11
The whole suite of Fira fonts are great. I use them as my non-monospaced system font for everything
@Jefffrey My syntax highlighting?
I use consolas
in Notepad++
consolas 12
@Prismatic That @ is weird.
16:57
Would you all ever stream yourself developing: twitch.tv/directory/game/Game%20Development
no
I'd switch to this tab and anime stuff too often
second monitor
I only use one
I'll get another or maybe two more when I get a new PC
@rightfold Wanna play with an early pre-alpha prototype demo candidate sketch of my IDE? ;)
holy shit why are 32GB RAM sets so expensive lolwtf
user1804599
17:00
> This type of file can harm your computer.
user1804599
> Do you want to keep c.jar anyway?
@wilx Yeah, interesting to see that the canon ending is the bad one.
@rightfold Java can harm your computer? :-(
user1804599
I don't trust your executable.
fair enough
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17:02
@fredoverflow very nice!
The demo program pretty much shows the limits of the current state. You probably can't do anything of interest that goes beyond recursive factorial ;)
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My only suggestion would be a line between each stack
user1804599
> The observation of the longest carbon nanotubes grown so far are over 1/2 m (550 mm long) was reported in 2013.
user1804599
Awesome.
@Ell That's already on my very long list of TODOs.
17:07
@nabijaczleweli Yeah
@Jefffrey What's so... Different/weird about it?
LOL :D
Imperial College is butthurt about me selecting them as my Insurance Choice
@Columbo They don't want you to give them money?
@nabijaczleweli No, the Uni
Have you ever used UCAS?
@Columbo Not American, have no idea what UCAS is.
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17:11
@nabijaczleweli it's english
@Columbo if imperial is your insurance, where the hell is your first? :P
cambridge?
@Ell I'm Polish, doesn't matter anyway. :G
@Ell Yes
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@Columbo nice
if that's your thing :P
Well done :)
IIRC you are german, or are you english?
If you are german, what did you apply with if not A-levels?
Jan 12 at 12:27, by Columbo
It's more brilliant how I got an offer from Cam after my disastrous interview haha
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I met a guy on the train going to do compsci and maths
17:13
@Ell I am German. And people over here are constantly taking the piss really bad. Every second joke they make around me is about us losing the war
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he was writing haskell
@Columbo Really?
you'd think that it'd get old
@Ell Not for them :P
@Ell I'm finishing my A-Levels now.
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@Columbo Did you start them in germany? o.O
@Ell No, over here.
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Wait I assumed that you lived in germany until now
when did you move to the uk?
17:15
@Ell No, I came to England two years ago
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I see
In order to come to cambridge?
@Ell One could say so ;)
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Are there no universities better in germany?
Also because the girls in Britain are really hot and have beautiful teeth
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I thought you don't have to pay up front for uni in germany
@Columbo good luck finding any normal ones in cambridge ;)
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17:16
I want to work in a steel factory.
@rightfold Bored?
user1804599
Yes.
@rightfold Dude. Your fucking life is boredom.
Why don't you start travelling like robot
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public interface SteelFactory {
    public Steel createSteel();
}
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@Columbo homesickness
17:18
Anyone here uses Rx?
anyone know an annotation tool where i can draw a rectangle on image and get coordinates, maybe even save to a file?
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes. :(
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@jsky photoshop
gimp
@rightfold why the :(?
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paint
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most image manipulation tools let you select pixels
> the girls [...] have beautiful teeth
ah. Columbi have desastrous generalizations
Fuel f = new JetFuel();
SteelFactory.createSteel().melt(f);

Uncaught exception: UnsupportedOperationException
@jsky vim if the image is in ascii art. If it's not in Ascii art there are sites that can help you with that.
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@Columbo what a levels are you taking?
user1804599
17:20
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because I want threads and bounded queues instead.
@Ell Maths, Further Maths and Physics
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@Columbo nice
@rightfold why?
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I failed further maths because I'm a nub
@Ell Cheers :)
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17:21
I did not work in AS year, it's really bitten me in the ass
user1804599
I should really look into StratifiedJS.
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I take it you are AS if you're applying for universities now?
(unless you are retaking the year?)
also sounds like A2 if you're just doing 3 subjects
@Ell No, I'm A2.
Uni application was in autumn 2014 for me.+
@rightfold lol common I thought you were being serious
user1804599
?
17:23
StratifiedJS is pretty lame.
user1804599
Not having threads requires leaking implementation details (doing I/O) into the API (return type suddenly becomes something else, or taking callbacks).
Where by pretty I mean "extremely". Implicit async is terrible.
@rightfold yes, you return an IO<T> instead of a T since well - it's doing IO, you can unwrap it but it's clear that it's async.
So you have expected performance and side effects.
user1804599
Yes. I want those to be implicit.
user1804599
And if it can't be offered, the technology in question is not something I will enjoy using.
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Oh right
17:25
Not sure if sarcastic.
user1804599
Ugh, Polymer is abysmal.
Yeah, I agree with that last one.
user1804599
I cmd+click on a link on its website and it opens in the same fucking tab.
@sehe ?
user1804599
Apparently, web designers these days are not only horrible at scrolling, but at navigation as well.
17:26
@jsky Yes, some people do know of such tools.
I mean, mate, some prejudices are actually true, y'know
i found one called sloth. what do u use Jerry?
lol, I just took another look at StratifiedJS, it looks so poorly thought out.
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@Columbo what grades did you get in as?
Also what further maths units did you take?
@Ell A* A* A. Though I only failed my A* in Physics because of my horrific grades in experiments. I got 150/150 on the big theoretical unit.
17:29
@jsky I've used several--Photoshop, Denaba Canvas, one that I wrote myself, etc.
@Ell In year one I took FP1 and the first two Mechanics Units. This year just pure (Fp2,3,4)
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You're a pretty clever guy by the sounds of it
@Ell Nope, I'm pretty clumsy. That's why my monika is Columbo :)
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Did D1 not interest you as a programmer?
how to do in PS? @JerryCoffin
17:31
@Ell That wasn't really offered IIRC.
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You can't be clumsy if you get A*s :L
@Columbo I see
Its basical algorithms
@Ell I am, trust me.
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Where are you in the UK roughly?
North/south/neither ?
@Ell Norfolk.
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Cool
I've never been
No idea what its like
17:34
@jsky Open image you want to draw on. Draw a rectangle on it. The info window will show coordinates of your rectangle.
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you don't like things that are poorly thought out, don't do anything even remotely related to the web.
@Ell Lots of incest apparently
@jerry is there a way to open all images at once, like in preview?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/189690/how-to-get-rectangle-annotation-coords-in-preview
@rightfold meh
(lazy)
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17:37
@Columbo yeah that's all I know :P
@Ell Flat.
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@jsky don't be lazy
Esp when asking others for help
It doesn't look good :)
ok sorry. i just realised its easy to open them all or several at once
im tired, its 4am lol. sorry
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Get some sleep :P
ok. night.io
cheers @jerry et al
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17:39
Night
@BenjaminGruenbaum why is implicit async bad?
Sync is much easier to reason about
@Ell you can do explicit synchronization that looks sync.
That is, if I have a method like getFoo() I assume it won't do something huge like make an HTTP call if it returns a plain object.
On the other hand, callbacks are horrible, so languages figured out how to solve this with futures and await ala:
 await getFoo(); // looks synchronous, clear that it's async and easy to reason about
An infamous example is Java's URL class that performs implicit IO when you compare instances, inserting to a TreeMap of URLs in Java is an log(size_of_map)*DNS_request operation :D Implicit hiding IO is a huge bottleneck in a lot of apps.
By giving you just-as-good syntax but making it explicit, you're at a win-win.
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But hiding IO isn't the same as implicit, right?
If you put your stuff in a coroutine, that's implicitly async
Well
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum I don't make that assumption.
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Maybe I'm wrong
Well, if your method makes an HTTP request to a server for a boolean, but the return type is a boolean that's a shame.
user1804599
17:43
Assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
@rightfold sure, assume nothing on code is a very pragmatic appraoch - defensive everything -_-
@Ell right, but you put it in a coroutine and you awaited the function calls - that's explicit already.
@BenjaminGruenbaum bool requestBoolFromServer(const string & name, SSL * serv);?
user1804599
He means a stackful coroutine.
user1804599
I.e. the good kind of coroutine.
user1804599
Not that state machine generation hack.
17:45
@nabijaczleweli what if I request a user name and assert it's Eric, would you have a bool ensureUserNameOnServerIsEric and a string getUserNameFromServer`?
Adding the word "server" to everything makes things worse than awaiting futures without any of the benefits.
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@BenjaminGruenbaum I didn't await my function calls
Like @rightfold I mean stackfull coroutine :) but my bad for not being explicit
@Ell you did put it in a coroutine though, I'm fine with anything that makes it crystal clear that something is performing io.
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kind of ironic in this discussion eh? :P
@BenjaminGruenbaum I was just pointing out the over-specificness of your example(?).
@nabijaczleweli how is "get something from a server" specific in any way?
Meh, anyway I just wanted to talk about Rx, if none of you use it or want to talk about it that's fine.
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17:47
I've not heard of Rx
I only know of Tx & Rx
So, I posted a tweet earlier, and within seconds it got favorited by these guys.
I guess they just monitor any tweet with the words "game" and "idea" in it.
user1804599
Rx is Bacon.js.
5 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Well, if your method makes an HTTP request to a server for a boolean, but the return type is a boolean that's a shame.
It's a bool(const string &, SSL*), but not a shame, that it returns bool. It's clear, what it does.
Also, I find the concept of a "game idea marketplace" laughable.
Ideas are worthless. Why would you pay for one?
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@nabijaczleweli He was talking about java
@EtiennedeMartel I think so too
games are about the execution imho
90% execution 10% idea
17:51
@Ell Any project is about the execution.
@Ell Oh. Didn't catch that. Sorry
How do you even market an idea?
@R.MartinhoFernandes 75% off?
Works on Steam...

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