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user1804599
9:00 PM
Maybe AMS-IX is failing.
 
I'm too busy too check. Many things are working fine though. It affects only a part of the traffic/sites
 
user1804599
> Anyone at Hetzner having issues atm?
 
user1804599
> as were some other sites I just tried to visit, huh
 
user1804599
 
I suppose everyone but me is down right now :)
 
sbi
9:10 PM
Not quite.
 
user1804599
@sehe die rooie uit Gestel ook
 
Ik weenie wie er rood is
 
Well done. Right in the plexus of memes
 
note to myself: when asked by a professor whether I know the difference between top down parsing and bottom up parsing, "I eat grammars for breakfast" is not a good response
 
9:14 PM
especially not since he might understand "grandmas"
 
not that close in Slovak fortunately
 
@ScarletAmaranth I'm not sure I do understand that myself. I'd wager he means incremental parsing (with topdown)?
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum Know that article; I wrote a blog post recently about something similar.
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Internet is not down enough around Schijf, NB
 
he means parsing in a fashion that corresponds with LL grammars; in a recursive-descent way, with expansion of rules
 
user1804599
9:17 PM
@sehe Most advanced village in the universe.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I don't consider that top down parsing. It's top down grammar definition. It's still bottom up (or left-to-right) parsing.
 
@rightfold It was a sad day when rickrolls were blacklisted on meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290586/can-we-blacklist-rickrolls...
 
user1804599
This isn't Groningen.
 
user1804599
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not gonna fall for that.
 
More glitchin'
 
9:18 PM
It's ok, you fell for the first one - I'm aiming at other other people. :D
 
protip for marriage - if you hear "Fuck it, that's the third winning hand I folded", shouted from the TV room, go to the office,. unplug the cable to the TV server box from the router and shout downstairs "Hey, our internet is down!"
 
user1804599
Maybe I'd have looked at it if you posted it yesterday.
 
@sehe I consider it a reasonable-enough definition and it's pretty much what we use in my uni vOv
 
lol, 5 people clicked it ^^, and someone flagged it haha
 
sbi
9:19 PM
@rightfold Don't mock elder people!
 
seriously. flags? @BenjaminGruenbaum are you trolling again :P
 
Ell
I thought recursive descent was top down parsing
 
coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/b1f95b824601540 anyone understands why commenting out the flag adl-flag declaration results in a different behaviour?
 
@rightfold still waiting for my appointment with the optometrist (oogarts)
 
Ell
You recognise "parent" rules first
and then recognise the smaller rules
 
user1804599
9:21 PM
@sbi I prefer my tests to be fast, so I pretty much have to.
 
Ell
Whereas in an LR table parse you parse the smallest rules, and build upwards
That was my understanding, but what do I know :)
 
user1804599
@sehe You have glasses. Are they too bad?
 
@Ell I can see what you mean. It's about the rule definition though. You still parse character by character. The third character can already be at the bottom of the rule tree, at some branch.
@rightfold ? No. My eyes are the bad part
 
user1804599
oh wait optometrist not optician
 
@Ell I might not know enough about "LR table parse"-ing ... o.O
 
9:23 PM
So, half the room is firefox and half is chrome, pretty nice.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what if I use Vivaldi - the agent will probably just indicate firefox :-\
 
I'm not sure if Google picks up on that in goo.gl
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you forget the half that didn't click (me)
 
(I didn't click either)
 
And I use Opera on linux. So you'll be able to tell
 
9:24 PM
@sehe actually that probably reports Chrome, unless you use really old Opera
 
Shuddup
 
Ell
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A: Grammar: difference between a top down and bottom up?

Jerry CoffinFirst of all, the grammar itself isn't top-down or bottom-up, the parser is (though there are grammars that can be parsed by one but not the other). From a practical viewpoint, the main difference is that most hand-written parsers are top-down, while a much larger percentage of machine-generated...

oops
 
@sehe just because it "identifies as X" doesn't mean goo.gl will track it as such, you can click the link and we'll see.
 
Aw... I wanted to upvote this question, but I ran out of upvotes. Plenty of downvotes still left though... — Lèse majesté Jul 5 '10 at 23:57
 
9:25 PM
is what I'm trying to do here even making sense? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/bb570dd9f855e7c8
 
Ell
@sehe when you say rule definition - do you mean the grammar?
I'm not particularly experience in parsing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum pfft. My browser doesn't lie. I know this. What link? I'm not scrolling up for that
 
I saw the slides by Scott Schurr from cppnow
 
@Ell yup, but don't mind me. Me be reading that answer for a while
 
and I wanted to add == and concatenation to the constexpr string
 
9:26 PM
@sehe goo.gl/1TzFEl
 
== obviously worked, but now when it comes to + I started doubting it makes sense
this also occurred when I tried to build a str_const from two const char[]s
 
@sehe if that was you - it reports as Chrome, which makes sense.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum clicked
 
no wait, it's other - someone else must have entered from Chrome
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum PFFT. Impatience bastard.
 
9:27 PM
Yep, Opera
 
Of course. Duh
 
So how'd you like the song?
:D
 
brrr
it's coa'uld here
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No comments. For fun I've used some other browswers now. This will skew your stats!
 
@sehe oh no, my precious stats!
lol, lynx
 
9:29 PM
Did you already have lynx on there?
@BenjaminGruenbaum Specially for you, also installed w3m again
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'll try Vivaldi
 
What's that browser named ~dildo again
 
that's wishful thinking
@BenjaminGruenbaum what did Vivaldi say? Mozilla?
 
dillo damn small linux
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yup. dillo reported too
 
Ell
9:31 PM
I prefer links to lynx
and links2
 
Nope. No js
 
elinks
 
no Vivaldi
spoofing agent strings should be ILLEGAL
 
I haff question. Which struct init style do you prefer in the following bit of code, 'x' or 'y':
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/3e52d163b11e516d

Also, would the compiler make the second case 'y' equivalent to 'x' when optimizing? Or is that an unreliable assumption to make
 
9:35 PM
ITT browser stats weren't rigged at all #loungecpp http://t.co/puCJTT5Kyp
 
'y' seems way more readable to me... but 'x' is possibly more efficient and new and shiny because aggregate initialization yay
 
they are both bad and you should feel bad
 
Why are they bad
 
make sodding constructors, PODness is for pussies anyway
 
9:36 PM
Why don't you have a constructor?
 
Also note how you can use empty '{}' to default init stuff? Isn't that kinda cool
 
#falsehood detected
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum because he's silly
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum POD
 
@sehe as I said, podness is for pussies
 
9:37 PM
It doesn't have to be a POD, but why would I bother with a constructor if I don't really need one?
 
27 secs ago, by sehe
#falsehood detected
 
@sehe so what? Just because something is POD means you can't create it with a constructor?
 
@Prismatic of you can use it.. doesn't mean you should
@BenjaminGruenbaum no, you can't have a POD with a constructor that's not defaulted
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Doesn't the strict definition of a pod imply no constructors?
 
@Prismatic you can have a defaultED constructor; as in Ctor = default
 
9:38 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Again, some sort of reasoning would be nice
 
@Prismatic constructors make thing nice unless you want a POD which you don't want; {} is usually unreadable
for example, in my raytracer, I use optional to designate a missed ray
I could do:
 
What about option 'y' then? Readable (but I dunno if its as efficient)
 
if (hit) { return {t}; } else { return {}; }
 
Oh wait, forgot that's a C++11 thing.
 
but fuck that really
 
9:39 PM
Dayum. SE connection really dropping
 
user1804599
C'est terrible.
 
 
@rightfold C'est magnifique.
 
@Prismatic ITT people find the imposter in Lounge<**c++**>
 
@sehe sooo... why PODs?
 
9:40 PM
@Prismatic Drop standard compliance, go extensions: designated initializers
 
@ScarletAmaranth Very useful.
 
hmmm
 
@sehe the last time you found them useful - how / why?
 
stupid noobuntu only has packages going up to g++ 4.9 and boost 1.55
 
@ScarletAmaranth For reasons. Man. There can be soo many. Why do you want me to tell you?
 
9:41 PM
I'm on 5.1 and I didn't even know it. I expected like, some major visible changes but everything's chuggin' along as usual
Just install arch, its magic
 
@sehe I can come up with one reason - to use std::is_pod (this does exist, right?)
 
@ScarletAmaranth lots for IPC and serialization. The rest is all for optimization (blitting pools of POD objects)
 
until it breaks
 
@Prismatic lol
 
@sehe I will take your word on the IPC part :P but serialization... I suppose they are trivially serializable but you can make your type fully inspectible and fairly-trivially-serializable without too much effort generally
 
9:44 PM
meh
Whatever. You don't have to use PODs. It's a free world
 
anyone looked at the snippet?
 
@Veritas I looked at the snippet, but I don't have enough knowledge to answer you.
 
Is that a blockbuster movie?
I don't see a snippet
 
any comments on the efficiency of 'y' wrt 'x'?
 
user1804599
9:47 PM
On a scale from 1 to 10, I want to make software.
 
@Prismatic look at the assembly I suppose?
 
@Prismatic your compiler will tell you. as-if rules and PODness make everything possible
 
user1804599
Deploy and don't give a shit until necessary.
 
@rightfold ^ words of wisdom
 
user1804599
9:48 PM
They can be found in all my messages.
 
but you have to look pretty hard
 
@rightfold Sometimes I just want to know things though
 
It was of course never POD to begin with. It's an aggregate
 
you need to make them obvious for lesser beings
 
 
9:49 PM
Its not always about 'just get it done'
 
user1804599
Plain Old Shit
 
hmm
 
user1804599
godboltclock
 
can I permanently alias one command to another in Bash?
 
user1804599
ugh, creeper in metro station
 
9:49 PM
@Prismatic No. Sometimes it's about "learning". So, just get the learning done!
 
@Puppy yes
 
@Prismatic it is if your being able to eat is directly correlated with finishing a product
 
Just add it to your.bashrc
 
user1804599
lol Bash
 
Just put the alias in the bashrc file or something
 
9:50 PM
@Puppy using the .bashrc and similar
 
hmm
 
@Puppy in case you don't know yet, just push it to your .bashrc
 
does that still affect programs that try to invoke the command through the shell?
 
I alias 'rm' to 'mv ~/.trash' when I install linux usually
 
user1804599
ok
 
9:50 PM
@Puppy no, IIRC. Read the man page though. There's profilerc and bashrc and then some
 
user1804599
{ x, y, z -> x + y * z } or { |x, y, z| x + y * z }?
 
@Veritas being the author of what you are messing with.. I sure could answer your question, if you are still interested - that is.
 
@rightfold the first one - the second one can easily by seen as apply x on x, y, z, then + y * z
 
user1804599
I should get rid of the curly braces.
 
user1804599
Also I want to play Minecraft.
 
9:52 PM
what happened to making a video game
 
Ell
@Prismatic I provably will too on my next install
 
user1804599
@Prismatic Game development is incredibly terrible.
 
@Prismatic it got mentioned ~42 times over the last 4 years
 
or just use windows!
 
@Puppy My report from building Wide: still haven't managed to do it. Had a hard time fighting with Premake, but downloaded the Premake version on your repo on Bitbucket, which worked. Then I found out the paths the Premake expects are different than CHOSEN_PATH\include for include files and CHOSEN_PATH\lib (used cmake -G"Visual Studio 12 2013" DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=whatever). Now I'm trying to fix my paths.
 
9:53 PM
@milleniumbug will be that much more disappointing to see the state the language is in :P
 
@milleniumbug Are you building with VS?
 
Xeo
Wait. Is there no boost::get<T>(variant) version that returns a boost::optional<T&>?
 
@Puppy Yes.
 
What is the problem with that warning ? prntscr.com/7b9wgm Here is my file.h pastebin.com/EXfMeDdx And here is file.cpp pastebin.com/tjHtgkMY
 
well
Wide cannot accept \include and \lib
because it needs to find the internal directories itself that are not part of the normally found output.
simply point it to the root folder.
my usual invocation is premake4.exe --llvm-path="C:\Code\LLVM" --boost-path="C:\Code\boost_1_58_0" --zlib-path="C:\Code\zlib128" --libarchive-path="C:\Code\libarchive" vs2010
 
9:54 PM
@Xeo can't you use the pointer version?
 
Xeo
And no function to turn a pointer into an optional either, it seems.
 
note no \include or \lib used anywhere
 
@Xeo I miss that all the time
 
Xeo
@sehe I wanna return an optional from a class that stores a variant. I can use the pointer version, or check which() manually, but it would help if that function was a thing
 
Yup. The pointer version is your way today
 
Xeo
9:56 PM
Meh.
 
@Puppy what is the current state of affairs with you right now - job, uni, both, or uni at some point in the future and job currently?
 
job
 
Xeo
time for util/boost.h++
 
I doubt I will return to university
 
Yet another republican hostile to gay marriage, Dennis Hastert, outted for having secret relations with a male: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hastert-misconduct-20150529-story.html
Interesting how that works
 

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