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21:00
chainmeowl
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@AndreyErick An USB device kitty? Interesting!
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Haha!
this is looking tempting... and my price range for a pair...
@πάνταῥεῖ Ah. I tried to remember but I couldn't. Thanks
user3790646
21:03
who the hell names a website "newegg"???
@sehe It's a beautiful song, isn't it?
@AndreyErick A company named newegg, perhaps?
for those who have played around with opengl... do you think I'd get a substantial speed up trying to stuff geometry into shared vbos? And then render with ranges? Instead of switching VBOs every draw call?
@AndreyErick A newegg probably ...
@AndreyErick Mr. Newegg? how insensitive of you
21:05
@πάνταῥεῖ very buttiful
user1804599
the worst thing about eurovision is that
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people aren't really excited for it
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they just act like they're excited because everybody does
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but in reality nobody gives a damn
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it's just like christmas
21:07
cynical
JUST.SAYING.
@melak47 Choose Mrs. Newegg alike as you wish. That certainly was a conscious sexist post of mine in preference of Mr. Newegg, of course. You all know my actual bias about heavy butterflies.
user1804599
look how good I am caring for family in homeless people I could do it all year long but why bother when I could do it only during christmas just like everybody else!
user3790646
there's a family name called Newegg? Wow just like calling someone Jacinto Aquino Rego here in Brazil
user1804599
I solve the problem more easily: I just never do it!
it's lots worse. Because christmas still can have some class. For some.
Songfestival however....
user3790646
@JerryCoffin That's interesting, but not useful in any way lol
> Apparently, this user prefers to keep an air of mystery about them.
It's a rare!
@Jefffrey I can just tell the OP wants a link to some discussion from the '90s about proper inheritance and how some birds can't fly, etc.
21:18
he he
@jalf might be relevant
:\ for the price of one 1440 screen, I could nearly get three 1080 screens... and I think money left over for a beefier card to drive said three screens
And a monitor stand for all these screens
@DonLarynx It's the albino alligator, where do you see a mystery??
@πάνταῥεῖ It's a rare! I wasn't referring to the alligator as the "user". That's another mystery.
¬_¬ what sort of trolling is this? screen, €117, postage, €120
21:24
lol
so much for that pipedream
brb making a postage company....
@DonLarynx I thought that was a plaster model for a second
That awkward moment where you're not drunk anymore, just hungry
@thecoshman so, shipping $3?
21:26
moving on
Well, that wasn't very clear (regarding the _user_).
Anyway I prefer to keep a bit more colorful (and as well _rare_) reptiles:
https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1006308_682289291788697_480375643_n.jpg?oh=e190a9a38d1b8b5b01ce59e6a24c8872&oe=560AAD39
unless you have some sort of OCD I don't see why you couldn't just get one 1440p screen and use it with your 1080p screen :p
what in the fuck
every so often you come across a c++ project thats huge and you should have known about
where the hell did that come from!? ^
@πάνταῥεῖ Not exactly sure what I'm seeing here...
@Prismatic looks good
user3010322
@melak47 I don't like living in a world where I can fall into gnu autohell.
21:33
@Prismatic oh god, he played f5
hi all
@ThePhD you haven't had fun until you're trying to figure out why some random 14k LoC configure script isn't doing what you want it to do
user3010322
u_u
user3010322
I pray such a day never comes.
user1804599
21:35
class santa; // the santa class
whaaaaaaaaat is going on ec-lang.org
Ell
Ell
I'd never heard of this until now
it looks dreadful :P
BUT ITS BSD ELL
BEE ESS DEE
21:37
Madagaskar Daytime geckos (spec. Phelsuma Klemmeri). Jeopardised species. Mine are from a offspring breeding. of course.
user3010322
@Prismatic Interesting: the thing that catches my eye is the "C ABI" bit.
> The debugger also supports breaking and resuming at errors reported by Valgrind under Linux.
neat
@Ell Yes! What's that supposed to serve?
Half of the posts on the forums are from 2010 lol
evening failbuckets
21:41
@πάνταῥεῖ Those two are beautiful
This looks awesome though ecere.ca/gnosis
@Puppy Evening lil' corner pisser ;-) ...
@Jefffrey They're beloved believe me :-) ...
hmm
their sample code includes an Application class.
next
C superset oh dear.
didn't we learn from the mistakes of the others?
@Puppy Hmm, and there's something inherently wrong with that?
@Puppy We forget all the time about them. Needs to be refreshed. πάντα ῥεῖ
21:46
@Jefffrey Application class is "We were too stupid to put local variables in main"
Ell
Ell
what if you want to put it in a library?
I think an Application class isn't such a terrible thing
then why the fuck would you ship an Application class? you're not writing an application
shipping Application as a library is even more stupid than writing it as part of an actual application
Ell
Ell
I mean if you want to make it easy for others stuff to launch your application vOv
but you don't have an application, you have a library.
Wait, what code are looking at?
21:49
@Puppy The local variable in main() is an instance of the application class.
Ell
Ell
I mean if I want to allow application B to launch application A without having to rely on a shell or something then you just put Application in library A
@Ell It's called CreateProcess.
there's a huge difference between actually launching an application and simply creating an instance of an Application class anyway- most obviously the whole "different processes" thing
@MartinJames Not really, because outside code can't refer to them in a special way- they're just regular variables.
and they can't inherit from useless interfaces (at least, not as a group)
@puppy Seriously confused stuff you're talking about.
Ell
Ell
fair enough vOv
Yeah, I'm not following either.
user1804599
21:52
ugh, jinja2 is so terrible
what's the big problem?
@rightfold Don't you bully!
user1804599
not only does it not have an import statement for importing python modules
putting the stuff in an Application class is pointless, it offers no benefits and only allows the programmer to do stupid things that they shouldn't do anyway
user1804599
it even appears that loop.index is, unlike everything in Python, 1-based instead of 0-based.
21:53
@Puppy How do you make available an application starter from an API/Framework?
@Puppy a C superset with classes!
@Jefffrey An application starter? Why would you need such a thing?
Ell
Ell
@Jefffrey you have to use CreateProcess or equivalent anyway
@Puppy To start the framework
Ell
Ell
else you'll be running in the same process
21:54
it must be so tremendously hard to simply add a couple locals to main or even just write a function to do it.
@Puppy How can you pass the application around if it's not an instance?
@MartinJames You can't and that's a good thing.
@Jefffrey framework.dothething() there
Say the API provides a window creation and simulation of some word you give to it.
And then have the following API:
Also, MyApplication my be a subclass.
21:55
@Jefffrey The framework should not require starting. It should set up whatever it needs to when I request it to do something. Any internal startup is just that- internal.
user1804599
I like * as a comment-starting character.
Application app(argc, argv, world);
app.run();
@MartinJames Another bad thing that is effectively prevented by not having the class in the first place.
user1804599
Like in COBOL.
@Jefffrey Must be so hard to instead do framework::main(argc, argv, world);.
user1804599
21:56
Although it does make for ambiguity with multiplication.
@Puppy Oh, your point is that it should not be a class but a function?
why would you offer such a function anyway?
if the user can't do his own main you've done it wrong.
Inversion of control is a thing
Because you want to abstract away the way the framework is lunched.
Reminds me, I'm hungry.
21:57
you're making me hungry
@Jefffrey How it's launched: I create an instance of an object. I use the object.
too slow ._.
Ell
Ell
I want some milk
or alternatively: I call a function. The function is called.
21:58
@Puppy There are libraries that are supposed to be tools, and then there are framework which are supposed to take over your application and control most of it.
@Puppy Well, most of my (production level) Application classes aren't exposing more than a constructor taking the application configuration options (e.g. as parsed from the main(int argc, char* argv[]) command line options), and a run() function. I still think that design model is more flexible, than duct taping everything together in main().
I really like implementing boilerplate that could be taken care for me!
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes.
a) they're bad, and b) that would still not merit creating a class.
21:59
hello kitty
grr classes
it would at most merit creating a function and even then you've basically just done it wrong.
user1804599
@πάνταῥεῖ objects with a single method are functions, and constructors are a form of currying.
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So whether you put it in a one-method class or in a function doesn't make a difference.
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They're equivalent.
21:59
If the problem is the class instead of a function, then consider if the application has a lot of configurable elements. It might be easier to just have few different member functions than to have 10-15 arguments to a single function.

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