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21:00
@Borgleader That's not even subtle
You giant nerd
is nerd something negative?
I'm one so yes
@JohanLarsson depends who you talk to
I prefer geek
@CatPlusPlus what would you rather be?
21:01
Not nerd
Also rich
a sport cat?
Dumb and oblivious
And maybe then I wouldn't waste half my life on this programming shit
but maybe you would waste time flipping burgers?
I'm ~working as a nurse this week.
21:04
Oh god, my colleague pushed binary files into our private GitHub repo.
Oh no however will you live
third-party libraries
we always push third party stuff to tfs
lol crapforge
21:09
@Columbo Nice.
How does it work?
> Unleashing Rybka on him
sounds awesome
@Nooble Well, you press F7/F8 on the board corners, and let the program do the rest. I uploaded a video demo a while ago: myvideo.de/watch/11832679/ChessComF_cker_in_action
@Columbo No I mean, how does it... work.
Not how you use it.
@Nooble It recognizes the highlighted squares after each move and forwards that to Rybka, then waits for its response and simulates mouse clicks at the corresponding squares
Oooh cool.
21:13
Works fairly well :o) I just couldn't take losing against arrogant yanks on Bullet anymore
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@CatPlusPlus hlslparser is incomplete from unknown worlds (handles only D3D9-ish stuff, not the latest stuff). Chrome and that other thing seem to be using some other parser (I think chrome is using some weird... ANTLR syntax?). The generators don't really make sense to me, which is why I'm not using them. I'm also reading HLSLcc, which is here. It's more for bytecode but it still helps.
@Columbo Good job
Also 'losing'
@CatPlusPlus Cheers.
@ThePhD Yes, it's ANTLR grammar
But yeah spend 3 weeks writing your own from scratch instead of 3 hours to learn how ANTLR works :v
Makes sense
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vOv
21:16
but reinventing the wheel is fun
@CatPlusPlus I've rarely seen (even close to) that kind of differential between writing a grammar by hand, and writing one with a parser generator. I'd say the typical differential is probably closer to 2 or 3 to 1 (assuming you actually know what you're doing with both, of course).
That assumes proficiency
@CatPlusPlus Beat you to it! :-)
how do i specify a lambda overload using multiple inheritance? I'm not sure where to insert the template...
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Beautiful: ideone.com/zDrNHW
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21:17
Ada is great.
@Cinch That's not what she wants to hear
@Cinch Start by reducing keyword overload, and telling us what you really want.
@JerryCoffin I want to have a lambda overload
I don't know what you're doing but don't do that
21:18
I'm using variadic template inheritance
@Cinch been done to death.
Search SO ffs.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did
but it doesn't show how to do this with lambdas with arguments
Also, lambdas are not special.
Also, I bet you didn't search properly or enough
I know for a fact the answer is there because I wrote it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They are.
@milleniumbug A girl asked me to watch a DVD with her the other day. I almost replied "DVD? Are you living in the stone ages?"
21:20
Use std::tuple
@milleniumbug That isn't the point, though
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A: best way to do variant visitation with lambdas

R. Martinho FernandesYou could use variadic templates to take the lambdas, and build a variant visitor using inheritance. That would retain the compile time checks. template <typename ReturnType, typename... Lambdas> struct lambda_visitor : public static_visitor<ReturnType>, public Lambdas... { lambda_visitor(La...

@fredoverflow Steinzeit -> stone age
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A: using declaration in variadic template

lurscherOk i found out a pretty decent solution: basically i need to unpack one extra lambda case and apply the using clause to the unpacked lambda and the rest, but in this case, since i apparently i cannot make a variadic list of using declarations (at least i don't know the syntax, if its possible), ...

@fredoverflow Maybe she wants a caveman?
21:22
@Columbo Yes. Are you learning German or something?
@fredoverflow So you're inverse Stallman.
@fredoverflow No, but since when is there a plural?
@Columbo Oh. I dunno, it just feels right.
I'm pretty sure there is only one stone age
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@fredoverflow Yeah, HD DVD is all the rage right now!
21:23
@fredoverflow how old is the woman?
jk man, calm down
@fredoverflow Weird. Mea culpa, nevermind
Yahoo answers posters are a good authority on English
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21:25
@JohanLarsson I dunno, maybe 30? You don't ask women about their age.
I never claimed I was right, I just said it felt right ;)
@fredoverflow 'Maybe 30' Stone ages, ye
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm just dumb.
I just don't understand this
@fredoverflow My god, that last question.... just wtf
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21:27
Two days ago we were BBQ'ing.
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And afterwards we put wood on fire in a basket.
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And then when it was hotter than hell we put a metal rod into it.
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Then we took the rod out and started forging.
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It was a delightful experience.
> Cancer is a somewhat recent innovation, caused by modern living, neutered food, vaccinations, x-rays, pesticides and herbicides
21:28
laffo
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@R.MartinhoFernandes That statement gave me cancer.
Cancer is also caused by this kind of answers on the Internet.
That modern living with clean water and medicine and good supply of food
THE WORST THING
> Today, there are over 100 alternative treatments for cancer, which the FDA refuses to approve, because they would destroy the very profitable cancer industry. These treatments were available to stone-age man, and he didn't have to put up with the barbaric solutions like surgery, and chemotherapy etc.
@CatPlusPlus Some cats have better quality of life than 80% of humanity. Moral: Eat cats.
21:30
Surgery. So barbaric.
"Do you know how we call alternative medicine that works? Medicine"
One of the answers in the cancer question Fred linked.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just figured it out. Well, not enough for a laugh, but will keep looking on that site, it's hilarious
Also, I read the second as "Did they use singletons for hunting in the stone ages"
lol!
21:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes considering the in-efficiency of their solution, I would think so
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class hunter2 {
    public final hunter2 instance = new hunter2;
    private hunter2() { }
}
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@Columbo no, they smell like roses just like always.
That's a doubleton.
fucking shit why is it ambiguous
21:33
hunter1 is the singleton.
Ask on SO.
It's a damn good question.
@Cinch what?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I CAN'T I'M QUESTION BBANNED
Fucking shit yes I'm salty.
lol
shocking
@Cinch lol
It's been two fucking months and 400 rep.
21:35
Wait, I thought @rightfold wrote that.
I bitch about it on Meta and nothing happens.
I would believe it.
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wrote what?
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@Cinch tuff luk
How do people even get question banned
@Cinch Good.
21:36
@Ell By being a noob and asking why I can't link wxWidgets.
I should just make a new account already.
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@Ell by being morons.
Unify my SO with my GitHub.
You should try to fix your old questions instead.
@Columbo lovely - those responses. Everyone is so quick to be righteous about this that they completely bury the - interesting - question. It's almost like Stack Overflow!
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@Cinch Why not delete the question?
21:38
@Jefffrey This has been repeated too many times. It's likely too damn hard. I haven't heard any successful question-ban-recovery story
Whoa. They added links to the next and previous questions on SO.
@ThePhD It doesn't matter for the ban.
@ThePhD Because deleting TOTALLY increases your chance at getting a question banned lifted.
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@sehe Who judges ban-recovery?
@ThePhD NOBODY it's the system.
21:39
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A: What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"?

ArjanWhy am I getting this message? As stated in the about links on every page, Stack Exchange is a network of question and answer sites, not help forums. This implies that all posts are expected to have some value for later visitors too. To enforce that, and to prevent help vampires making the answe...

@ThePhD I'm not sure really
I'm just going to make a new account already.
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@Cinch good luck not getting question banned again vOv
Wait, that site is actually providing learning resources for psychotherapists
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@FernandoVellozo Hi :)
It's nice that someone says hi instead of just dumping a question
@Ell ...............................
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@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
21:43
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600 FUCKING REP AND NO QUESTION BAN LIFT.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes uh jeez
@AndyProwl haha
@Cinch Question bans aren't about rep (and 600 ain't much)
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this is bare hilare
21:43
I wonder why no one considers to think that the group that comes up with a viable cancer treatment would be regarded pretty highly by most of sane society.
Because you have to think
I think a lot of people would aim for that rather than hiding it as some conspiracy.
:tinfoil:
@Rapptz Not sure if I would highly regard them.
Conspiracy theories are just a conspiracy theory to hide the fact that there are no conspiracies
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21:45
@Puppy well nobody cares if you would
but steel memes can't melt dank beems
not that I don't appreciate the effort, but I don't how many additional elder people our society can sustain
lol
you know cancer happens to young people right?
kids, teenagers, young adults?
or indeed just people in general.
Not in Puppyland
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babies
21:47
@Rapptz still correlated to age no?
@Puppy You have a point, but not providing a treatment for cancer is not the right approach by any means.
@Rapptz Yes, but not really at the same rate.
ITT we teach Rapptz about cancer
@JohanLarsson Conspiracy theory #101: cherry-pick examples from start of bell curve.
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21:48
@Columbo Well I agree that there could be better approaches, but we don't have any.
@Puppy Here's one: Transform every human above the age of 70 into a cookie
That would solve multiple problems simulatenously
@JohanLarsson yeah some forms
@Puppy Wow
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it doesn't matter at the end of the day
@Columbo ..and then click on 'Don't accept cookies'?
21:49
@MartinJames If you do that you die
Grandmas are best for cookies
but there's no age discrimination or anything; not like your cells have to be a certain age to start mutating.
It's as simple as that
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older people also suffer from every other disease more
well most things
@Ell Well, I'd argue that the same limiting factors apply to them as well.
21:50
time to make food
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I believe in biological imortality
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wait, si that the topic?
you can't arbitrarily extend the human lifespan without arbitrarily large resources to sustain those additional humans.
maybe we should ask fredo about this stuff?
21:50
In Puppyland we make food out of old people
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@Columbo lol
@Columbo Rohypnol.
@CatPlusPlus That's what happens in the real world too.
@MartinJames Hypnotizing.
@Columbo [x] resolved
21:51
@milleniumbug That was really entertaining :)
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@Puppy not really :P
We bury our elders
maybe there are tribes which eat them
which are consumed by various animals, bacteria and whatnot, which we indirectly consume through the food chain.
@Ell People have indeed been eaten by their pets.
all their nutrients are eventually recycled.
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I wonder whether I can get that ancient Oberon compiler to work again.
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21:53
we don't recycle them though
that doesn't really matter.
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well cat said "we"
but I get your point
When we wake up in the morning, Bailey jumps up, tail wagging. It's plain that he is continually evaluating us as a direct food source.
Doesn't work the other way though. When we put him on the scales at the vets, he thinks it's fun and doesn't seem to appreciate that we are just checking to see if he will fit in the freezer without using a chainsaw.
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lol
@MartinJames s/evaluating/exploiting
21:58
@Puppy True:)
We took care of a springer spaniel last week. Went for a bikeride, Loke had pulling gear and pulled gf. She only used the breaks for 15 km. We still had to wait a couple of minutes for the spaniel to catch up.
I shoul not write this long messages in engrish
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Hello (sorry for my bad English)
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that's what people do nowadays
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awesome
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22:04
@rightfold which do you value more when writing a software, performance(i.e using inline methods/functions) or program size?
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how the fuck has c++ not got modules yet
oberon had modules in 1983
it appears
backwards compatibility
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e.g*
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@AndreyErick correctness and maintainability.
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You have a good point.
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22:06
both of you
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Performance is irrelevant until it becomes a problem.
> performance(i.e using inline methods/functions)
lol
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I meant it as an example, sorry
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@AndreyErick maintainability & readability
performance & program size are on the bottom of the list
@JohanLarsson If you're going to use a spaniel for physical work, you have to attach a crank to its tail.
22:08
@Ell C++ committee is slow like a turtle
still didn't watch interstellar :<
and it's 1AM now so no chance today
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ANTLR is hard. =/
Comparing to "2001: Space Odyssey", "Interstellar" is coherent and comprehensible
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I think I'll get the book for it.
@Ell It's a conspiracy by disk manufacturers. The header files bulk it out and increase hard-disk activity, so increasing sales of new and replacement hardware.
22:13
Sounds legit
@AlexM. She dies in the end
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I wrote a software for one of my customers that is hard to maintain and that uses little of what C++ provides, here's the most important source file: puu.sh/hR5V0/b5730df56a.txt , now I see how maintainability is important
@Jefffrey not surprised
you need that kind of drama to get high ratings like that
whoever "she" is
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I'm going to rewrite it using the Win32 API and with maintainability in mind
I'll watch quantum of solace tonight
it's shorter
and after casino and skyfall I'm starting to really like bond
22:15
@AndreyErick People that use non-english language in code should be punished.
@AndreyErick lol putting "Win32 API" and "maintainability" in one sentence.
Like with a fine or something.
@AlexM. I thought that 'solace' was an Italian dessert dish.
@Jefffrey My variable names are in Polish and my type names are in English.
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@Jefffrey It uses both english and brazillian portuguese, quite weird, isn't it ? xD
22:16
@milleniumbug You, sir, are the worst.
@AndreyErick That's just your regular "God class" anti-pattern.
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@milleniumbug reverse polish notation, nice
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Hey don't be so hard on me
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I'm just a kid xD
@milleniumbug That's OK as it stands, it's the operator overloads in Russian that do me in.
22:19
If I knew German, I would make function names English, type names German and variable names in Polish :P
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I wonder how japaneses name their variables AHAH
@AndreyErick gasp
@AndreyErick temp_kun
int i_senpai
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haha
@AndreyErick Normally.
22:20
I'm going to switch to Java, it's so high-level it allows Unicode characters in identifiers.
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using non-English words while programming is quite weird
@sehe Well, that dude could clearly use some help.
@sehe LMAO. How is it possible to breed such atrocious parents?
it needs to be asked on parenting.se
@Puppy looks like he got it. status: resolved
22:22
> You ever met a really cool guy and then meet his kids and they're a bunch of wieners and you're like "howd such an awesome guy end up with such lousy kids?" That's my situation.
@Puppy I believe him. He's a cool guy.
@wilx I'm most interested in the "resolved" part. I didn't see the answer
/r/niceguys is so funny
> Chad Thundercock = A guy who's confident, interesting, fun to be around, at the very least moderately athletic and takes care of his appearance.
@sehe Haha. I did not notice.
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I'd like to see the answer xD
> Thundercock
22:24
highly instructible
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LOL
welp
work tomorrow
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Oh I miss working, learning a new API is too tedious
hi
what's up with the "SFW Porn"
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@Rapptz hello
22:30
1 message moved to bin
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It was supposed to be funny T_T
white things with a tiny black outline are so... visible
under all circumstances
white subtitles with black outline
or a white crosshair with a black outline
@AndreyErick it is. But it's also old and boring and this is a lounge. It's not appropriate, just so you know L: (you can link to it with "NSFW" warning)
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Oh, I'm sorry. Should have thought better before doing that
22:41
"np" - it's been fixed. And now you know
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Thank you :)
I like this subtitle, describing Boost Asio:
> Boost Asio: Concurrency Problems On Threads - sounds like a sequel to Ruby On Rails, really
Night all
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Night.
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@sehe night
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@sehe I don't know how the guy ended up concluding that he needs to use atomics somewhere to ensure that his reads don't get out of order, when it's hard to walk into the asio documentation without tripping all over references to strands
22:53
Hi there,

Usually, algorithms written the STL-kosher-way that return a collection of elements, take an output iterator as an argument (e.g. std::copy) and insert the values using that iterator to user's collection. What is the right way to design an api that does that in an asynchronous way? I don't want to force the user to use a specific container type and package that in a std::future<>. Thoughts?
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@KarimAgha I'd say post a question but a question like that is bound to get closed as "too broad" or something like that
one idea is to use something like:

std::future<summary> async_populate(OutputIterator begin);
auto work = async_populate(std::back_inserter(v));
wor.wait();
do you see any red flags with this kind of api?
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@KarimAgha Whats the point of making the user have to hold a future when you're essentially making it a blocking call anyway by forcing them to wait immediately for the result
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What is wor?
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@KarimAgha Can you reasonably foresee a use case where your user will have a bunch of extra stuff it needs to do before getting the result of your async call? Because if not, you're just using futures for the sake of using a new feature.

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