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17:00
F
rip in peace
GOAT simulator is on sale
2.38 only
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Greatest of all time simulator?
user784668
So @LightnessRacesinOrbit simulator?
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@CatPlusPlus There, there.
17:02
has anybody played this?
Few versions ago
For a while
did you like it?
user784668
@khajvah No, unsafe ruins it.
It took a while to build up initial inventory and a long time to find each other
The idea seems promising
I should buy it
17:04
It was some time after zombies were replaced by animals that glow red
It probably had more than one revamp since
user784668
What's Rust the game about, anyway?
watch the video in steam website
Survival crafting building thing
But you could hunt bears with rocks so it did that better than Minecraft at least
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and in the end you get killed by russians?
Dunno I don't play with pubbies
17:08
@Fanael borrow checker can’t handle everything mang
user784668
@LucDanton ikr
I'm definitely not buying Rust until it goes out of Early Access
user784668
@LucDanton What I expect is that your typical programmer is a retard and therefore instead of thinking why the borrow checker yells at him they will just slot an unsafe there to shut it up
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So while I like the idea, I don't think it'll be much better than Hell++ in the real world
17:10
Who cares about idiots
Well there was the proof of concept for cryptosigned Safe Rust, so there’s that.
You can write shitty code in literally every language
@Fanael They look smarter than your typical PHP programmer.
@CatPlusPlus I even write shitty in English
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Nobody, but they're the ones writing 99% of code.
17:11
If borrow checker yells at someone and they break code to shut it up, yell at them and break their contract
@CatPlusPlus Okay but why have a borrow checker at all?
s/contract/nose/
1 min ago, by Fanael
So while I like the idea, I don't think it'll be much better than Hell++ in the real world
user784668
@milleniumbug Pffffft, like that's an achievement
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's kinda illegal.
17:12
@LucDanton Why bother having any safety tools
@Fanael Yeah, but their nose will be broken nonetheless.
C is the best
@CatPlusPlus this
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@CatPlusPlus Assembly.
17:13
@CatPlusPlus Why not Fortran?
user784668
No wait assembly has way less UB than C
@CatPlusPlus The borrow checker goes into your face at a level that e.g. a type system doesn’t.
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So yeah C
That’s why.
@milleniumbug IF FORTRAN .NE. CRAP GOTO FROZEN_HELL
user784668
17:15
How can I submit a C++ feature proposal?
First, summon a hell lord
@Fanael On the asylum.
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Done, what now?
Make the proposal, duh
@CatPlusPlus Really those are the wrong arguments you are bringing up. Nobody is denying it’s a safety tool. But whereas a type system you can try to make the types match when it yells at you (i.e. you have a way out), borrow errors don’t generally point you towards a solution. Except of course that you can unsafe them away. That was the whole point.
17:17
Don't forget the goats
So steam wants me to participate in a survey to help them plan their hardware design decisions.
Okay...
steam is good, do it
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@CatPlusPlus And done.
user784668
It's official now C++ will have std::do_what_i_mean
@khajvah Well... The problem is that my hardware isn't very representative of the population.
17:25
They'll notice
@Mysticial oh I see.
8 core, 16 hyperthreads, 64GB ram, 4 monitors. They think my "Desktop Resolution" is: 6560 x 2880, lol
They also think my "Primary Display Size" is 40.79 inches.
And half the shit I have installed are compilers and SDKs.
user784668
@Mysticial Impossible, humans don't have penises this long.
And I am just sitting in front of my cheap AMD netbook
@Fanael You assume that I'm human.
Xeo
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17:27
This is for @Cat and his butte.
user784668
@Mysticial Yes.
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^^ I have no idea how they calculated that shit.
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not?
maybe they got they through some driver thing
Guess or monitor exposes that somehow
Oh, I see how they calculated my desktop resolution.
17:31
@Xeo Ugh
It's just the smallest rectangle that fits layout.
Oh desktop resolution, that's exposed by the system
@Mysticial You mean the smallest rectangle where the layout fits, right?
user784668
EDID contains monitor size
user784668
17:32
So maybe they asked the OS for that
6560 = 2560 + 2560 + 1440
2880 = 1440 + 1440
@Mysticial Or the largest rectangle that fits in the layout?
Meh vertical screens
Vertical screens are awsum
user784668
Screens are meh
17:33
@R.MartinhoFernandes No--the largest rectangle that will fit (entirely) within the layout would be substantially smaller.
@JerryCoffin I didn't know the layout, and his phrasing meant 0x0 (or 1x1 depending on how you want to go) :D
user784668
I have a direct connection between the GPU and my root.
@R.MartinhoFernandes How about: "The dimensions of a circumscribed rectangle"?
Linux's scheduler is so complicated
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@JerryCoffin IRTA "The dimensions of a circumcised rectangle"
17:36
@Ell Somehow I knew somebody was going to do that. :-)
invoke-elevated D:\apps\vim\gvim hosts woo I don't have to run a separate admin shell
I really gotta go through these cmdlets
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is invoke-elevated like sudo?
@Fanael and sometimes it's even reliable :D
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17:40
that's a weird looking filepath
oh wait
you're on windoze
I like how powershell replaces / with \ automatically
It doesn't really care
First attempt at blindfolded solving :(
lol I thought you said rightfold
She's definitely looking!
17:44
Hmm. I should record these attempts so I can tell where I went wrong.
Well, here's what it looks like:
@Mysticial Where do you live?
@khajvah I just finished moving into Chicago.
user784668
@Mysticial you can watch four chinese porns at once!
more or less finished.
user784668
17:49
and looks like it's the only advantage this setup has
@Mysticial so cool
Everything is great in the picture except windows
I'm envious atm :(
That's not a window that's a door made of glass
@Mysticial nice!
user784668
17:50
I have a glass made of glass
They seem to forgot to put a balcony there
@AlexM. I spent way too much money on the new setup. Probably won't get anything else until Skylake.
English hard
@Mysticial :( I need to find another place to live in before I even start getting fancy stuff
it's really lame when you're renting
@Mysticial omg I could never live there.. I'm afraid of heights. And I had the last floor near the window in my previous office (couldn't change it)
17:51
There is no point to buy an apartment
because I can't buy a shitload of stuff
I need permission from the owner to change anything in the apartment and I don't want to move lots of stuff if I have to move
I definitely have a lot more room in this apartment than I did at home.
@Mysticial I see you're prepared for everything (box of handkerchiefs and stuff)
@Mysticial Can I move in?
17:53
lol
the gog.com client looks nice
@Mysticial hey, how's the new environment thing coming along :)?
@ScarletAmaranth I start my new job on Monday. So too early to tell.
Oh hey ARMA3 free weekend
@Mysticial Do you have any friends / acquaintances there?
17:56
@ScarletAmaranth I went to school in the Chicago region, so I have a few friends left who stayed.
I love UK general elections. The polling station is in the village hall next to the club - extremely convenient. Time to get ready for my civic duty:)
pizza gonna arrive soon
cant wait
@Mysticial fair enough; also closer to family I would assume? that's not too bad I guess
@AlexM. Heard that before. Usually from LRiO, followed by hours of plaintive whining about starvation:)
@ScarletAmaranth Uh no. I lived with my parents for the last 2 years. Now I'm "forced" to move out since the new job is in Chicago.
17:58
@Mysticial you trust all of that to a folding table?
@Mysticial what's your new job?
@MartinJames it's here
mmm
@SamDeHaan Yes, it's really sturdy. (surprisingly)
You're tempting fate
@Mysticial Ah - I somehow assumed you went to school there when you were little. Well, good luck I guess :).
17:59
I got an IKEA galant table cheap off craigslist that is like eight feet long + a bit of corner that supports all of my junk. Is wunderful.
@SamDeHaan IKEA stuff is really flimsy.
@SamDeHaan No way it can support all the junk
@Mysticial says the man with a folding table.
I have some experience with structural engineering and I can tell at first glance that all the IKEA stuff is not great.
It's stood up to quite a bit of abuse, I wouldn't consider it flimsy.
18:00
This folding table is much better.
Is structural engineering like structural programming?
:P
Meh they announced free weekend but downloading butan doesn't work
@Mysticial Typical nerd. Monitors and desk perfectly arranged (and never mind the fact that he's still sleeping on the floor).
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I need a german/bavarian
Actually, both my Dad and I have some structural engineering experience - even though we're in completely different and unrelated fields.
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18:02
what temperature am I supposed to drink weißbier at?
@JerryCoffin I used an airbed until the real bed arrived yesterday.
@Ell Doesn't really matter. Like all beer, it's best if you skip drinking it at all, and just pour it directly in in the toilet.
@JerryCoffin But you're right. I don't have a couch or a TV.
@JerryCoffin You are evil
18:04
@JerryCoffin pfft
My mom said that my apartment looks more like a laboratory than an apartment. (I have another computer desk with my servers in a different corner of the apartment.)
@Mysticial Of course. I speak from long personal experience. :-)
@Mysticial :D
@JerryCoffin I can hardly....
Who needs a TV
I need more RAM :/
18:06
Download it
@CatPlusPlus My internet package includes a TV box that doesn't have HDMI output.
@CatPlusPlus You can cover up cracks in the plaster with one. Most faults in the rendering only need a 24" TV.
So I'm kinda pissed.
That is an original joke nobody ever did
@CatPlusPlus I know
18:07
syntax highlight colors suck, but it doesn't look bad I suppose
@MarcoA. is that a home-brew IDE?
@MarcoA. Font rendering looks like shit
otherwise looks ok
@ScarletAmaranth more of a text editor, I was working on it during my spare time
@MarcoA. shape of tabs looks kinda like from Sublime
18:09
Huh Linux bumped version to 4.0
@ScarletAmaranth the scrollbar too
@milleniumbug I agree, I haven't worked on that yet. I mostly built scrollbars and tab controls
> This release increases the version to 4.0. This switch from 3.x to 4.0 version numbers is, however, entirely meaningless and it should not be associated to any important changes in the kernel. This release could have been 3.20, but Linus Torvalds just got tired of the old number, made a poll, and changed it. Yes, it is frivolous. The less you think about it, the better.
lol
@ScarletAmaranth yep, although it doesn't look 100% like it (lemme dump a screen)
@Ell They added live patching to mainline lol
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18:10
@CatPlusPlus you're way late
@MarcoA. Ok, good job you did there.
@CatPlusPlus Who really cares if they label it as a "TV" or a "monitor"? Especially with some of the first 4K TVs now being replaced, prices one a few are low enough that I've been tempted to pick one up to use it as monitor.
lol a tank broke during the military parade in Russia
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kdbus still ain't merged
kdbus is silly
18:11
@CatPlusPlus oh good, I don't like thinking about things
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It sounds useful vOv
You're not going to use it anyway, it's for systemd and friends
@milleniumbug thanks, not sure if this could be useful to anyone. The intent was to make a UI toolkit portable for anyone to use in case they created a C++ tool or something like that (thinking of clang tools)
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@CatPlusPlus and possible pulseaudio
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18:12
I guess that counts as friends
Ain't a friend of mine
there are some differences in the controls rendering, although the style is mostly the same
It looks good
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@CatPlusPlus do you use JACK?
I don't use Linux on desktops
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18:14
fair enough
Hello
has anyone ever gotten this error from gdb:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.19-gdb.py", line 63, in <module>
from libstdcxx.v6.printers import register_libstdcxx_printers
ImportError: No module named 'libstdcxx'
@MarcoA. make it an open source sublime.
I think JACK had some support for audio routing
That'd be great
I hate that Windows doesn't have that
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it does indeed
@khajvah Yes, there's not enough of those
18:15
@CatPlusPlus Actually, there isn't
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I think you can route over network even, for whatever reason you'd want to do that
Atom, Brackets
brackets is shit
for some reason I tried several of those and I disliked every single one of those
Also ST is nothing fucking special and idk what people are fawning over
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18:16
I use Atom
brackets font rendering is borked for me
I tried using Atom but it ships with unbindable Ctrl+Alt shortcuts which makes AltGr broken
lol they both use Chromium
ST is pretty special. I can't think of anything better than that.
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yeah also there is like a 20mb file limit or something
In the end I'm back with vim
@MarcoA. it's veeery similar :P
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18:17
not that that bothers me
@khajvah have you tried atom?
@CatPlusPlus rotfl breaking AltGr. What a fail
@milleniumbug Fucking SOXers
@Ell It is written in JS.
Plugins also ship with Command bindings and no Control bindings which is annoying as fuck
not that matters but still
18:18
Apple is a disease
@khajvah lol vim emacs
@CatPlusPlus ST with vim navigation is heaven
NeoVim is what I'm waiting for
Fuck everything else
Is it even beiing developed?
it is
I should try to contribute to it to improve my C skills
Xeo
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@CatPlusPlus Is that "N" logo a backwards "Vi"?
@CatPlusPlus oh, neo anything sounds cool
18:34
@CatPlusPlus How dare you say such a thing? This is a travesty. If the diseases of the world understood English, they'd be coming to get you after an insult like that!
18:52
@CatPlusPlus ~~purrrty~~
> Neo
> C
contradiction detected
Woops I thought vagrant reload would only reload running VMs but apparently not! rip that Firefox instance
I'm eating cheese
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I'm about to make some baked potato
@Xeo Dunno
I don't pay attention to logos
lol it switched to .io TLD
how will you cook it?
.io so hipster
18:57
uh, and I thought scrollbars were easy
they're not complex, but definitely more messed up than what I would have imagined
That's just common sense in a fancy math equation
then my common sense doesn't work
v/d is logical position in the scrolled area, then scaled by length of the bar
Anyway I wish people would stop reinventing UIs
I think I said that yesterday
19:01
it will happen when people will create a stable UI toolkit that runs everywhere
and that pleases everyone with its license
(i.e. never)
Chromium
nwjs?
kinda unstable for now
You don't have to use jabbascript for the app to use Chromium
atom-shell is better than nwjs anyway
Called Electron now
Everything has to have a fancy name
never tried it. I used nwjs but if you say this one's different it might be worth a shot
@sehe It is written in C, isn't it?
19:10
@MarcoA. even my vim is better i.imgur.com/qUZSGAJ.png
@khajvah yesh?
@sehe now you're just mortifying me :' (
How so
Most people find my fonts ugly. I think my choice is heavily influenced by bad eyesight
@sehe nah, joking. I know it sucks
@sehe That font looks great
uh, did you copy type all the text in my previous screenshot?
19:12
Real men use Consolas.
Real women too for that matter.
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So, I just had some of this stuff. Holy crap it's tasty.
(with 0.5l of milk)
I need a steady supply of this
@EtiennedeMartel and Comic Sans, ofc
If I design a font, I'll call it Gorgonzolas.
@MarcoA. yes; proper comparison requires looking at the same code
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I don't think I can get that stuff here in Germany. Not without paying horrendous prices.
19:18
I found the best colorscheme for vim
"skittles_dark"
@sehe you could have just asked
> E185: Cannot find color scheme 'skittles_dark'
@EtiennedeMartel DejaVu or bust
@MarcoA. I have a slow brain but I can type
19:21
Certainly faster than this:
lol
not my fault: I don't want to pay for OpenShift cloud's premium account
inconsistency detected
why? Gears get idled when an app isn't used for more than.. let's say X hours
> not my fault
> I don't wanna
okay, perhaps it's my fault : ]
19:24
I just refreshed the page and it seems to start over
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@khajvah meh, homepage down, can't see what it looks like
Surely typing it in was faster by now
@sehe Anyway I like your vim display
mine looks much worse
Ok. Chrome displays it. After minutes
Opera just sits there
FAIL
@Xeo There
19:27
@sehe don't quite care about Opera, I didn't even take the time to download it and test it
(not to mention IE)
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@khajvah looks good enough
@khajvah camouflage code :) Here's my terminal vim i.imgur.com/r8WIZ3n.png
@sehe That looks good too
Another crash. The Kindle PC reader uses 14 threads. One to run the GUI, one to communicate with the Amazon servers, one to run the local DB and 11 to crash the app at random intervals.
19:34
lol
@MartinJames no, they're used to calculate 11-digit prime numbers
@MarcoA. I could almost believe it, but CPU use is 0, (when not turning pages).
Passing parameters one by one, or by wrapping them in an array, struct or tuple. I wonder why there are so many differences. (GCC assembly output.)
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lol: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30109738/rpcalc-c257-fatal-error-error-writing-to-var-tmp-cc7arluk-s-no-space-left

'9.8G it is 100% full, and I know it is full I don't know how to fix it hence the question' [sigh]
@Xeo Really? The font is crap
Weird hinting
19:46
LOL! 'disk full' user does not know how to delete files. It just gets funnier:)
Why is Visual Studio still "parsing files in solution" even though I'm telling it to exit.
@StackedCrooked What compilation flags were used?
g++ -c -std=c++14 -O2 -Wall -pedantic main.cpp -S -masm=intel -o -
Why is compiler writing to /var/tmp
Xcode has this really broken behavior, I haven't found a way to disable it yet
you see errors and warning for a project in the issues tab
19:48
Like seriously this directory is defined to not be cleared on reboot
Who the fuck directed compiler to use it
by default all projects are listed as drop down lists in that tab with issues inside
and whatever project is visible gets autoexpanded
now the only issue is that the project I work with has like 20 subprojects each with 53083085908935 warnings
Anyway, time to go and vote for either the wankers or the crooks. Must remember to take a coin into the voting booth this time.
so whenever I try to scroll down to find the source of a particular error
the whole thing hangs
because it's trying to expand shit
that isn't even relevant
@MartinJames oh man, yeah, I forgot disk can fill up
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@CatPlusPlus I was talking about the colour scheme
19:50
@thecoshman latest: 'I could not find /var/tmp to clear it'
@AlexM. You do it by not using Xcode
Disable Xcode
Permanently
Beh I drank one stout and I feel lightheaded
Not enough cheese
@MartinJames lol, what sort of savage worries about deleting files for the space?
Everyone using SSD
@thecoshman You're not trying hard enough
@CatPlusPlus I'm very thankful I don't have usage limits
pop corn is frigging great :)
omg I managed to configure Spark
19:56
@StackedCrooked The args vs array seems to be an effect of compiler adhering too strictly to calling conventions, but tuple is just bad, I can't figure it out just yet.
I'll try to reproduce it on my machine.
Tuple is not pod and it uses inheritance, something like: struct tuple<Head, ...Tail> : tuple<Tail...> { Head head; }

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