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3:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes bike storage seems to count as luggage on a passenger train :)
Put the bike into the overhead bin, please.
@BartekBanachewicz nice
what is it?
> I just finished the rewrite of the Factorio internals, so different (independant) surfaces can exist in a single game. The change was quite radical as it affected a huge amount of code already written (337 files affected),
@AndyProwl new Factorio materials
you play Factorio right?
what's Factorio?
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3:01 PM
It's a video game.
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Fancy
> We just released the 0.11.19. Almost all of the mainstream bugs should be solved now. We expect just one more release to solve the remaining small things so stable multiplayer will be a thing soon.
@BartekBanachewicz And what is the thing you posted? An extension you made?
WOOWOWOWOWOWOWOw
PREPARE YOURSELVES
@AndyProwl nah, an update post from devs
Xeo
Xeo
3:02 PM
@AndyProwl Just an update to the game
Ah, all right
I'm warming up Overmind to host a server
oh wait didn't they say it's supposed to be PvP actually
now I remember
they should support a dedicated host scenario imho
Hmm. Guess I'll fly :(
Xeo
Xeo
Aww
Flying is crappy for me - such inflexible times :(
hmpfh my back hurts
I need a massage
Xeo
Xeo
3:06 PM
Mine's next week again
ehehehe
thanks for crashing only when gdb isnt running
stupid everything
@Xeo Well, a 10-hour trip means I'll need to spend extra vacation days, so :(
come on robot the worst thing that can happen is that you die
Xeo
Xeo
omg
fuck you bahn.de
3:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's not why I don't like flying.
Xeo
Xeo
don't just completely kill my session and my search because "too many users are accessing" you right now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes is it a particular way of dying?
@BartekBanachewicz I don't like it because they make you wish you don't survive.
@Xeo Sorry, my bad.
I dunno I really like coding on a plane
I don't even.
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3:09 PM
@BartekBanachewicz woohoo
> Cat
Cosh
Ell
Robot
Puppy
Jefffrey
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@BartekBanachewicz Do you know you get tables on trains?
I suppose I should add Pantoona and Xeo to that list, too, right?
@BartekBanachewicz You can turn your laptop on during the flight?
3:10 PM
@AndyProwl sure. They're only forbidden during takeoff and landing.
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@BartekBanachewicz what is the list for?
@BartekBanachewicz Interesting. A recent change?
@райтфолд Factorio multi uber coop
@AndyProwl Dunno? I never really cared, I just took it out.
I remember when I was flying a lot like 5-6 years ago it was not permitted
Nobody ever said a word
3:11 PM
I see
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@BartekBanachewicz nice
I never turn anything off, and I usually carry scissors.
@райтфолд I also have 4 of my IRL friends there
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't need a table
@R.MartinhoFernandes You... carry scissors?
:P
Last time they checked me with the manual metal detector, and they opened my bag to look at it.
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3:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz nice
I have scissors in my backpack.
They still let the scissors pass unnoticed. :(
(I recently flew to Brussels with small scissors in my bag and they said nothing)
I was not let into court house with the scissors on me.
@AndyProwl First-aid kit.
3:12 PM
Nice
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't say I need one.
Everything related to going on a plane is either frustrating or depressing.
Repo's up. Let's do this shit /cc @Jefff
@R.MartinhoFernandes I was just reading a book and saw your name in the credits. Bout time.
EMC++?
Unless the robot is so famous now that he's in lots of books, yes.
I know that's old news around here.
3:17 PM
@AndyProwl in C++?
ah right you do C++
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I wanna try
I want to participate too
Get onboard!
Any lang allowed?
So far I think it's just me, Jeff, and Nooble
any lang allowed, usual Jam rules, except the only theme is snake
deadline is next Sunday
3:18 PM
so no special functionality required or anything
mmm I have a neat idea for a next jam
nope, you can do whatever you want
But I'll keep it as a surprise
If it's not in space then you shouldn't even bother showing it
no, it's for a formula of the jam, so to say
3:19 PM
I'm gonna make it in space then
Xeo
Xeo
@AndyProwl Why is it called "Pawnguy's Jam", then?
anyway, that's for may
@Xeo Because snakes
@Xeo Pawnguy started the idea of doing snake
Xeo
Xeo
ah
3:19 PM
@Xeo Because he was doing snake games
A week of snake development?
Yeah
We need at least a week because suckage
at least I do
I guess it would give me time to do documentation...
...I mean, everyone's doing docs, yes? :)
I write statically typed code so you can say so
@MartinJames Of course. I plan to write at least 60 pages
3:23 PM
@AndyProwl inb4 'This page intentionally left blank'
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Q: What UI can I use in my C++ OpenGL project?

sprtnbstI make a program using C++ and OpenGL to visualize Minkowski addition. I use Visual Studio 2013. I need to make some kind of user interface - user must be able to set number of vertices, give coordinates of each point etc. Program actually has two separate windows - one for polygon displaying, s...

why are you posting this here
Should I answer that? Or is it a 'recommend me' question and should it be marked for deletion
3:32 PM
I think its on the fence of being an okay question. I'm pretty averse to the 'no recommendations allowed' thing
it's crap
shit i have to rethink my shader construction
You still working on hate?
of course
I just didn't have time in the last weeks
lel another snake
3:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeeah
I guess the language choice is appropriate
@R.MartinhoFernandes all your repos have weird names
what does yajna mean
ah wait it's C++
I thought it was Python
@AndyProwl just for build
@Pris It's a ritual sacrifice in Hinduism.
3:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yep I figured
I knew it sounded sanskrit-y
maybe I should just duplicate everything
why do I bother with code reuse
> It will be too late by the time we learn what these cryptic symbols mean
Appropriate for C++.
Definitely
3:38 PM
or maybe I should just drop the backend thing
it's such a fucking PITA
what if I could just make it a compile-time flag
WebGL and ES are going to be picked compile time anyway
well that still means I have to separate the implementations though
a majority of work still has to be done
so the only thing I would gain on is the existential in the state
@KeithLayne lol, no.
which is a solved problem already
the only problematic thing now really is extreme code duplication
fuck my life
this whole design is dumb as hell
nothing makes sense
ITT Bartek sucks.
3:42 PM
only in this thread?
This is interesting. I can consistently cause a memory corruption if I first compile with a class member as std::vector, then change it to an equivalent std::array and recompile
I keep thinking about it as a problem of inheritance and OOP
which is a fucking dumb way to think about problems
what happened to you man
and that's the reason for that miserable failure
It works fine with std::vector. It also works fine with a std::array IF I manually delete all the build files and rebuild everything from scratch
3:42 PM
I just can't click to make a reasonable non-OOP design out of it
@Pris You recompiled wrong. Precompiled headers sticking, perhaps? One of your other translation units not being rebuilt? A library? Either way you've got ODR issues.
I have to go back to the drawing board with the whole backend problem and rethink shit out of it
this time in a truly functional way
I love how you're having this great big epiphany about how your thought processes are flawed, but don't seem to be considering that the problem could be relating to using functional bullshit in the first place
No offence
(I'm mostly kidding)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't have any precompiled headers. afaict qmake just generates a makefile thats updated based on which files were edited and their dependencies. I guess its probably something not being rebuilt correctly though
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah you're mostly saying some things and they don't make much sense. I've noticed, otherwise I wouldn't keep you plonked for the vast majority of time
@BartekBanachewicz WTF. "don't make much sense"? Are you that far gone?
Considering that doing it in a functional manner might be a problem doesn't make sense?
@R.MartinhoFernandes if someone says "the problem could be related to using functional bullshit", seriously....
@Pris I think it has to be. Otherwise your test runs would be entirely isolated and one could not affect the other.
@BartekBanachewicz Dude it's a joke chill the fuck out
@BartekBanachewicz Because it makes your life better in the long run.
@BartekBanachewicz Oh my, you are that far gone.
3:47 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course it doesn't.
@BartekBanachewicz Absolutely it does.
functional is a tool, and there being problems for which it is a bad tool is not at all surprising.
in fact it's to be completely expected.
Amazing, Django is making contrib.postgres and they didn't include json/jsonb support
I've tried to do it with OOP approach and it just wouldn't work
the whole thing was a big OOP scheme
3:48 PM
In the general case, it makes sense for the exact same reason that you just realised thinking about it only in an OO way might be a problem. Which you just did. Loudly.
I didn't read far up enough to figure out what problem it is
but in general
And here I hoped I could get rid of all the shitty third party solutions when 1.8 lands
with the object state hidden behind the existential
that was a smell that something isn't right in this
and fucking rightly so.
what is your problem, exactly?
3:48 PM
@Puppy I want/need swappable rendering backends
@BartekBanachewicz Designing is hard. A lot of times I try to get the foundation right but its never perfect. I just end up convincing myself that no one else's gonna use my stuff anyway so I just forge ahead with what works
that do a work of [DrawRequest] -> IO ()
@BartekBanachewicz Swappable at runtime?
"want/need" reminds me of the "Need/Want" in Defiance and when is that show coming back hmm
@Pris yeah and some other people don't write shitty code.
3:49 PM
@Pris heh
@Puppy I want to be able to check for capabilities then "instantiate" the appropriate one
hm
ITT Bartek spends five minutes ranting about how much his code and design suck, then viciously scathes Pris for "writing shitting code"
the problem in this is the backend needs to keep cache
nah
3:50 PM
why did I unplonk LRIO again
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, s/tting/tty/
what you should do is make them into separate executables.
@BartekBanachewicz Because the truth hurts.
3:50 PM
@Puppy um what
I'm going to leave it cos that's quite a nice phrase :D
games take this approach to 64bit vs 32bit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes he's not making a gram of sense again.
"truth hurts" looks nice.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nah, that was why he plonked me in the first place.
3:50 PM
you make a simple executable that checks the capabilities, then launch the real executable that matches.
then the destination executables don't have to give a shit about swappability.
that would need two dedicated game executables?
just recompile the same codebase with a different flag or something
well that's one option certainly.
@BartekBanachewicz Compare with two dedicated lumps of executable code.
the code duplication thing still exists though
the implementations are likely to share a lot
3:51 PM
which is fine.
but I can't predict how much
just recompile the same codebase with different flags.
Obviously writing your code in a functional paradigm will magically prevent that. What the hell was I thinking when I dared to suggest otherwise?
then the implementations can share arbitrarily much.
I am just not sure how to handle the shared things in a way that will allow me to arbitrarily cut off the shared part
3:52 PM
I mean, in the case of 32bit vs 64bit example, they're sharing literally everything except the target platform.
I mean, once something becomes not shared it would need to be duplicated and moved.
That would require very small modules
eh
and very well designed, so that they're unlikely to drag others later
I don't see why you need more than a maximum of N + 1 modules (where N is the number of backends)
3:53 PM
N is your mum's backend
if it's shared, put in the shared module, else, put it in the backend-specific module.
because I want to share code?
@Puppy hmm
@Puppy Wait. That's it?
@R.MartinhoFernandes What else were you expecting?
I'll accept my apology any time now.
3:54 PM
Maybe I'm just overthinking
well okay let's do it that way
@Puppy An actual problem, presumably.
I am afraid that I can't share instances that way though
mm or actually
instances of what?
3:56 PM
type classes
@Puppy Well, I wasn't expecting this to be a problem whose solution was such a platitude.
I got confused ok
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use a similar approach for Wide drivers.
they all share the underlying lexer/parser/etc, and then I create different executables for the different uses- test, CLI driver, VS extension, etc.
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Is Factorio Turing-complete?
it's nothing more than a bit of modularity.
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nice

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