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6:01 PM
Oh no, anything but Columbo doing well!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit better than mine
 
@Mgetz I think the quotes have ruined my wonderful treatise on UB :(
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "Sure, moment". I don't think of you as my mother figure, don't worry. (Done, btw) — Columbo 1 min ago
Hah, nice save.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now that I read Columbo's answer, I think that, yes, while the standard doesn't need to mention any such quote, it does often enough to make this a pattern.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure, mom — Columbo 3 mins ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit happens.
 
Xeo
6:04 PM
The "open" part of "OpenSSL" has an unfortunate double meaning
bwahahaha
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I actually meant "moment". (I do like to talk out of my arse, but not in SO comment sections, that makes me feel uncomfortable)
 
hey did you guys have your game jam thing
 
marmalada at the weekend
 
Someone should post a reminder so we're not all dumb founded when it happens
 
6:12 PM
Don't forget marmalada
there
 
Marmalada is happening this weekend! Cancel your dates.
Wait, is it Marmalada or Marmalade
 
@Columbo What dates?
 
@khajvah You're the guy that thought LRiO is a hot chick right
Bad news for you buddy, she's mine
 
@Columbo Yeah, I am the guy. My heart is broken.
 
6:15 PM
@Columbo Your mom?
 
@milleniumbug I'm one badass motherfucker so it doesn't matter
 
@Columbo You can have her.
 
@AlexM. Yes, I'm watching Kantai.
 
6:18 PM
is it... nice? it has very low ratings on anidb
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That one direction video link is more offensive that my post
 
Do you guys ever time yourself for how long it takes you to do programming tasks
 
It's an anime based on an online game... Who knows if it's nice. One thing is certain - it's a doujin fuel.
 
@Pris .. no, since we're to cheap for stopwatches
 
there are online stopwatches tho
 
6:20 PM
no internet
 
@Pris God no. That would be to depressing.
@khajvah LOL! SO works without internet, I forgot that:)
 
@milleniumbug it has le sexy characters
which is why I noticed it
yes
 
I wish there was an SO question that had an explanation of all the uses of the static keyword in C++
 
@Pris Are you asking for a permission to post that question?
 
Haven't watched nor played nor even know anything about the backstory, but I've seen enough to say "Kongou the best girl"
@Pris C+ doesn't exist
 
6:24 PM
I saw some gifs of it on a russian cs go player's steam profile
 
@khajvah No. It exists in various forms, but I don't think there's one complete listing of everything in an FAQ/wiki style post
 
and had no idea what anime it was because he was the strong silent type and left after we got rekt
saw a pic today and it seemed familiar
googled for it
also DAT FUCKING SONG
 
user1804599
hi :3
 
We are currently mitigating a DDOS hitting our network. We will let you know when this has been resolved.
 
ffs Jerry!
megalol
@Pris There is.
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Q: The static keyword and its various uses in C++

Tony The LionThe keyword static is one which has several meanings in C++ that I find very confusing and I can never bend my mind around how its actually supposed to work. From what I understand there is static storage duration, which means that it lasts for the lifetime of the program in the case of a global...

first fucking result on fucking google for stack overflow c++ static
 
6:28 PM
English is so interesting, you can put fucking fucking everywhere.
 
@khajvah You missed out a word
 
@khajvah American English
LRiO loves it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think the guy was really saying "would've", turned out he was from the UK
what a weird way to say "would've", it sounds like "would of"
so I thought of the annoying people who use "would of" in written En immediately
 
Integer.wouldOf(42)
 
@AlexM. ok
@AlexM. how else would it sound
@AlexM. oh, wait, if it actually literally sounded like a plain "would of" then you were probably just listening to a moron
 
== §English == === §Etymology === Contraction of would have === §Pronunciation === (US) IPA(key): /ˈwʊdəv/, also /ˈwʊdə/ === §Contraction === would've would have; indicating a non-occurring action or state that was conditional on another non-occurring event in the past. We would've been warmer if you had closed the window. I would've gone if it hadn't rained. ==== §Related terms ==== woulda...
like this
see the recording
 
6:31 PM
"would've" is more like "would uv"
 
user1804599
@khajvah English fucking is fucking so fucking intefuckingresting, fucking you can fucking put fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking everywhere.
 
wouldn't've
 
Is there any reason to ever use static for a template function in the header?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit here you can hear him talking twitch.tv/official_kmz
I dunno what accent that is
 
user1804599
@Rapptz I'dn't've.
 
6:32 PM
have't; would
 
@Pris the same reason you'd use static on a normal function in the header
@AlexM. there are multiple guys
 
yeah the one in the tiny cam rectangle there, you can see him talking when he does
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit When you use static on normal function, each source file that includes that header gets a copy so you don't get a 'multiple definitions' error. But with templates isn't there some voodoo that prevents multiple inclusion already?
 
oh, my, god
he's a posh wanker from like Chelsea or something
 
for a weird reason he also has a pretty legit russian accent wtf
 
6:34 PM
that accent is disturbing and gross
 
look at this racism
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Where are you from?
 
fucking LRiO
 
@khajvah Vulcan
@Rapptz huh? what the fuck now?
 
lol I'm just playing around
 
6:35 PM
har har
 
flag
 
that's not racism, it's...
I dunno what it is but it's something
it has to be
 
discrimination
 
bigotry
 
6:36 PM
lol
 
it's just baseless name-calling, isn't it?
no need to put your PC 2.0 labels on it
 
is it
I'll have you know I'm on PC 3.0
 
that explains it then
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Chelski*
 
6:37 PM
what do you call a bigot who likes death? a bigoth
haha, get it?
 
you're not wrong. probably why he speaks Russki
@AlexM. no
 
this is a no pun zone
 
ok I'm off to order a pizza and get home
 
@AlexM. yes
@Rapptz punishable by kicking?
 
be sure to kick me while I'm away though
:D
 
6:39 PM
lol
 
user1804599
> The memory layout of a struct is undefined by default to allow for compiler optimizations like field reordering, but it can be fixed with the #[repr(...)] attribute.
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
How high fever is considered dangerous?
 
user1804599
10000ºC.
 
@khajvah 39ºC or more is pretty scary, but not dangerous by itself
 
6:43 PM
@райтфолд heh
@khajvah About three feet
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is that the famous British system?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The thing is, you can still define basic<char32_t, 'f'>. Because there are literals that are guaranteed to work ('f', L'f', u'f', and U'f').
So it’s both here and not here.
 
@khajvah Imperial
@khajvah (yes)
 
wtf is a foot
 
a bigfoot that's not big
 
6:45 PM
That is what American and British people use I guess
The length of queen's feet.
 
@MartinJames: You should link the Parking Enforcement Officer to this article
 
@AlexM. Bi-sexual Goth
 
@milleniumbug an old-fashioned metre
We still use it for heights of people and bridges, despite being predominantly metric
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
The DDOS attack on our network has been resolved. Let us know if you see any further issues.
 
6:50 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What, bridges? I somehow get heights of people, but bridges?
 
@Feeds lol
 
@milleniumbug It does make sense for people. Allows for a nicer break in the values.
 
@Feeds who the hell ddosses stack overflow?
 
@milleniumbug What's wrong with that?
 
@Pris vlad?
 
6:58 PM
well probably someone that got cussed out by you lot :p
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nothing strictly "wrong" (except not being metric :P), it's just slightly arbitrary.
 
@milleniumbug I don't see why it's arbitrary. It's due to our roads still using Imperial (speeds in mph, too) because changing that would be a total bloody nightmare.
 
not being metric is strictly wrong
 
The heights of bridges are important for lorry, bus, car transporter drivers.... I guess they figured why cause potential disaster by changing all of that into metric
for really very little gain
 
You also drive on the wrong side of the road. It should be changed too
 
7:02 PM
@Pris lol "cussed out"
 
"you"?
 
oh fatness races in orbit
 
wtf
well, you would also, as you live in the same fucking country, dumbass
if anyone had seen fit to trust you with a driving licence, that is
 
i wonder if cars would be noticeably cheaper if everyone drove on the same side
 
7:04 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ok I see now
 
@Pris write in to Top Gear and ask them to d- ... oh.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did they really can the show? Is the BBC investigation over?
 
@Pris No and no
It was a funny joke.
 
the two accounts dude
 
@Veritas I have literally no idea what you're talking about right now
 
7:07 PM
lol
 
@Veritas Or who you are
@Veritas Or where you came from
 
the two accoutns dude :p
 
oh for god's sake
well I wasn't planning to do any more on it. It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it yourself now
so I think you should write a competing answer and let me know
 
ok this is stupid I am merging the accounts.
 
7:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So how dumb is this? (boilerplate)
 
flag
 
i was kidding though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hilarious
 
yeah but you weren't wrong
someone would have taken the opportunity to score some anti-LRiO hit points
 
7:17 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Someone sounds paranoid.
 
is it you?
because I think that you being paranoid would be hilarious
 
They should completely get rid of the grading systems in universities
 
no
inb4 "they should completely get rid of universities" from Cat and Rightfold and Puppy
 
7:26 PM
Students study for grades and also the system is extremely unfair.
 
grades are what make it fair[er]
you have to have criteria for sorting students into ability groups
and those criteria have to be codified somehow
 
@khajvah lolno
 
unless you are one of these "everybody wins a prize" people
and then you can just do one frankly
:)
 
> I've heard that these local thugs sometimes leave daggers on their desk in the exam hall. It's a sign to invigilators: "Leave me alone... or else."
 
I might start doing that on my SO answers
"Upvote me... or else."
 
7:28 PM
You are paying thousands to them, they shouldn't grade you. If you don't want to study, then it is your problem
 
@khajvah What the hell
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit isn't that a vlad?
 
sure
@khajvah what the fuck dude
 
@khajvah That's not how it works.
 
@khajvah If you don't study and just get a degree because you have a fat wallet, that's society's problem. Now you're potentially in a situation where a lack of knowledge and responsibility cause negligence
 
7:30 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You don't need to sort anybody. Universities are for giving education, not sorting
 
You are paying thousands to them to teach you and then give you a qualification appropriate for your level of skill and accumulated knowledge. You can't just go "give me the top qualification because I paid you".
In fact that's what the Indians do, as you'd know if you read the article I linked you to
 
@khajvah diploma mills undermine the value of education
education only means something if you actually learned
 
@khajvah Would you go to a doctor who has a degree they paid for without any sort examination?
 
@khajvah Giving education and then what? You have to be able to demonstrate to people that you have that education.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are certificates for that
 
7:31 PM
@khajvah What should work though, is that you should be given as much retries as you are able to pay.
 
There is no point in teaching someone then not bothering to leave any sign behind indicating whether or not you actually succeeded.
 
Well that's what interviews are for
 
@khajvah And how does one get certificates?
@Veritas It's not feasible to interview everyone
 
if the grading system was right we wouldn't have interviews
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit by taking an exam?
 
7:32 PM
@Veritas And it's not feasible to apply to every job
@khajvah Correct! And how do you determine how well someone did at an exam?
@milleniumbug You are
Demonstrable merit has value in society. I don't understand why society fights against it. Well, I suppose it's the people without any merit that are doing most of the fighting...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, universities shouldn't give certificates. That is my point
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The program I was in had a limit to the number of times you could fail (I believe it was twice)... after that you had to transfer out
 
@khajvah Read what I said above.
@Pris Well, some measure of flood attack prevention probably has its place
 
I don't think its common to allow people to keep failing out of a program and re-enrolling just because you can pay the fees
 
Many things can influence your grade in universities(not connected with you knowledge). Grades shouldn't decide your future.
 
7:34 PM
hmm
have any of you guys got any advice about washing out a bin?
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Also take into consideration that the interview process results in a shortlist of candidates in a preference order, which is a kind of grading. You cannot get away from it, fundamentally, even if you left everything down to interviews for specific jobs.
 
@khajvah Grades don't decide your future
 
this is the first time I've needed to and it just occurred to me that it won't exactly fit in the sink.
 
lol Puppy talking about bins
 
@Puppy tub?
 
7:35 PM
@Puppy Hose, bleach. Soak. Empty. Hose. Wipe.
in your garden
 
you want me to wash a filthy bin in a clean tub?
 
you wash your filthy self in a clean tub
how do you think baths work
 
@Pris They, for sure, have influence and pretty big influence
 
@khajvah There are systems in place to correct for that.
I'm not saying they're perfect.
 
@Puppy Clean the tub with bleach after. Or if you have a backyard you can use a garden hose
 
7:37 PM
But a world without categorisation of education success would be a total clusterfuck, honestly. Maybe if the population were not so high, maybe it could work.
@Pris already said all that
well sort of
you don't need the tub
 
What I am saying is that uni grades are a bad way to measure merit. The grading system is completely unreliable.
 
just wash the bin in the garden in the first place
@Veritas No, not really.
 
@khajvah My anecdotal experience has been that work experience trumps grades every single time. If you've worked a company with a good reputation, thats far more value than having a slightly better GPA than some other candidate
 
@Pris Yes of course. I would think twice about a candidate with crappy grades, but with the right experience an interview would be arranged. Of course, a new graduate with crappy grades isn't going to get a look in with me.
 
The biggest problem is that they are grading over some period of time(like whole semester). During the semester many things can happen to you (like penalties for attendance). It would be fair if there was only one final exam.
 
7:38 PM
Unless some serious extenuating circumstances were written out on the CV. But then those should have been applied at the time and used to arrange resits.
 
The only time I've seen GPA make a huge impact is when you apply in academia and there's a cut off
 
@khajvah penalties for attendance should not affect your grades, I agree
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What if someone had crappy grades but a good independent portfolio?
 
sounds like you're talking about problems that are specific to the USA academic system
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there are lots of those, but that's because ours are diploma mills
 
7:40 PM
@Pris I'd presume they failed to get work with anyone else. They might get an interview if their portfolio were interesting enough, but I'd have doubts as to their ability to work in a team.
 
Actually, in every country they are grading over some period of time.
 
@Mgetz sad to hear that :(
@khajvah Total bollocks.
Many, many courses simply grade you on exams. And that's it.
There is sometimes a coursework aspect.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit they changed the tax status for universities. They are almost all 'Enterprises' now and technically for-profit. The chancellors make millions
 
Beyond that everything you're saying is bullshit in my country
@Mgetz I can't guarantee that's not the case here
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I should move to your country then.
 
7:41 PM
@khajvah ok!
brb
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit do your universities cost 30k+ per year?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Its odd you say that because if you give interviews to low experience, high GPA grads there's no indication that they have any abiliy to work in a team
 
-1
Q: Why constructor is not called in malloc?

Sarah IrfanWhy constructor/destructor function is not called while using malloc and free in c++ instead when we use new and delete , the constructor/destructor is called? why is it so?

They're baaaaack!
 
@khajvah Are you kidding? That's the most unfair way of doing it, because all the randomness is concentrated in one place and doesn't have a chance to average out.
 
GPA is a really shit way to judge anyway, I usually use portfolio for a new grad
 
7:47 PM
In my country the final exams account to possibly 60% of our total score. And all years account for the same score so first year's subjects attribute the same as more advanced subjects. Plus everything is up to the professors so if you are in good terms with them you get higher GPA. Simply not a good and reliable indicator imo.
 
@Mgetz i empathize with her confusion
 
@Pris still a dupe
 
@Puppy Average what out? Like how you licked your professors ass or went to class 10 minutes early every time? If they design a proper exam with open answer questions(not the multiple choice bullshit), it will be the best way to test somebody's knowledge
 
@khajvah Average out, for example, being sick for three days.
 
@khajvah the BEST way is to have them exercise that knowledge
 
7:48 PM
if you have one final exam then if you're sick for those three days then fuck you, otherwise, you're fine.
people should not be awarded points for attendance or ass-licking but that's independent of examination granularity.
 
@Puppy Dude, that is not a problem, they can change the date. It is not like today's universities don't have that problem.
 
change the date every time one of their 100,000 students gets sick?
 
@khajvah i wouldnt mind standardized exams for courses
 
they'd never hold any examinations.
 
7:49 PM
@khajvah Now you're just talking from your ass
 
its not practical though
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit For eu citizens
 
user1804599
> error: 'alignof' applied to an expression is a GNU extension [-Werror,-Wgnu-alignof-expression]
 
user1804599
WTF C++
 
Hmm... looks like Everton are Chicken Kiev tonight.
 
7:50 PM
@Pris That's true. In that case the team work would still be an issue to check out.
@MartinJames wot
 
@MartinJames They're being invaded by Russia?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eh... comparable to a US state school, but still expensive
 
and it's not like all professors are the most reliable judges either. I remember seeing float main() and A[i] = i++ in presentations for first semester students.
 
@Mgetz It was more like £3k a few years ago. £1k in my time.
 
@Puppy Again, that problem exists nowadays too.
 
7:51 PM
sure it does
but it gets averaged out
 
i paid roughly $6k a semseter, bless canada
 
@Mgetz Uh not true.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit did the tories completely defund the universities?
 
because being sick three days in the term doesn't matter if you're still putting out 100% on all the other days.
 
The final exam is like 50%, if you miss it, you fail
 
7:51 PM
it's only when you lump everything on one day that you have a problem.
 
@Mgetz They were never funded in the first place
 
I think a cousin in med school in the US pays like $40k/sem
 
Dynamo Kiev 5-2 Everton (agg 6-4)
 
@Mgetz The tories removed raised the cap on what Unis were allowed to charge
 
@khajvah Which is dumb as shit and should be changed.
final exams are just dumb as shit, full stop really
 
7:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah... joy
 
@Puppy lol ok.
 
@khajvah And if you have a bad day that one day, you fail. If you have any other bad day, it's fine, you only get a slight drop on your grade.
 
also
 
yeah because your entire degree relies on one exam
don't be so stupid
 
@milleniumbug again, final exams are at least 30%. You miss it, you are still fucked
 
7:52 PM
when I was at university I passed at least one module despite literally never attending a single lecture
and I passed another even though I didn't attend the final exam.
 
> at least one module
lol
 
Anyone know why they choose to do cumulative exams in higher education vs piecemeal tests like in elementary school and high school?
 
ITT Puppy passed only two modules at Uni
 
@Pris Because higher educators aren't real educators.
 
@khajvah No, not really.
 
7:53 PM
@Pris Our Uni exams are almost identical in format to school exams
 
@milleniumbug which part?
 
Arguing against competency tests is just retarded
 
You pass when you have over 50%
 
@Pris because piecemeal tests are bullshit
 
@khajvah No, if you have a good reason, you prove extenuating circumstances then retake the exam in the summer.
 
7:54 PM
they can only test understanding of a single concept, but not overarching understanding
 
Everything you're saying is nonsense, I'm afraid.
 
@milleniumbug Well, I am talking about having competitive GPA. D is not good enough
 
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Q: Fix the mod ragequit message template to not sound like a jerk

Pekka 웃There was a recent hubbub over the suspension of a user in good standing over some post deletions. The details are not important, but he posted the moderator message he received alongside the ban. According to that user's screen shot, it reads thusly: It seems easy for a user to interpret th...

How does this sound "hostile"?
 
quit going on about "GPA". that's localised.
 
@orlp You're assuming that tests later on in a semester can't have questions that cover cumulative knowledge
 
7:54 PM
@khajvah Dafuq is D
 
@Pris If they're small tests, they can't
 
@milleniumbug Lowest passing grade
 
@khajvah And in your scenario, you get F, not D.
 
@orlp Yeah, sure they can. You're making a broad sweeping statement about how tests are written with no real way to back it up
 
@Pris if you can fit both cumulative knowledge and specific new knowledge in one small test either you're not learning enough new stuff
 
7:55 PM
@milleniumbug No, you take it later. Or there is a retaking possibility.
 
or the small test isn't really a small test
 
@Rapptz Not really sure how I feel about the original but Shog's replacement is undeniably better. It's just a case of how much better it is.
 
Shog's sounds like they're trying really hard to be polite.
Comes off as weird.
 
there's nothing wrong with that
I'd drop the "Please note", mind you, as yeah that seems a bit .. um ..
deferential.
 
@khajvah It's as if you can't now.
 
7:58 PM
I propose a new letter:
"pls no deface thx"
 
Also, I agree with Puppy on this one - most final exams suck
 
@milleniumbug I am fine with exams(let it be a few during the semester). I am against stuff like attendance, homework, good relationship with professor, etc...
 
> good relationship with professor
what the hell are you going on about?!
that has nothing to do with grades
hell, exams in Universities are marked anonymously!!!!
 
Especially if they involve writing working x86 assembly code on a piece of paper.
 
depends on the homework.
 

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