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11:00 PM
@ThePhD lol wtf are those functions even
@ThePhD whats the other way? please enlighten me
 
user3010322
@DonLarynx You have a constructor?
 
@DonLarynx We get it bub. Your assignment sucks.
 
@ThePhD "WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE METAL WE'RE GETTING LEAD POISONING"
That being said, I'd understand implementing your own data structure... in a data structure class.
 
Yup.
 
@ThePhD Well, then just do as he says. That way you'll get the best grades :P
 
11:04 PM
@DonLarynx HE WASN'T TALKING TO YOU for the 1st time
wtf
apparently I own forgotmy.pw and whatsmy.pw
just got a renewal notification
 
@ThePhD yeah so?
 
that's... weird
 
user3010322
@DonLarynx You also have a maximum limit of items. So, in the constructor, you allocate only once: farray = new Fraction[LIMIT];
 
user3010322
And then you set the size to 0.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit talk about forgetting your [p]ast [w]ebsites.
 
11:06 PM
good one
according to my records I was quite drunk on 23rd March
so that explains it
 
lol
I'm so bored.
 
user3010322
Everytime you insert, you put the Fraction at the desired index and then increment the size. At the beginning of the insert function, you do your same check. Everytime you want to remove from the end, you just decrement the size.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit One day someone will pay you big bucks for that.
 
@Rapptz CLICK SOME COOKIES
 
user3010322
This does not consider special things like invoking the destructor and constructor on your objects in the list, but really it's Fraction, there should be nothing complicated about it, so just fiddling with size is Good Enoughâ„¢.
 
user3010322
11:08 PM
It's certainly better than copying and re-allocating the list EVERY TIME you need to insert.
 
user3010322
Note: since you have const static int LIMIT = 20, you can just do Fraction farray[LIMIT]; and be done with it, while keeping your int size and doing what I told you above.
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked Fucking blasphemy.
 
Not ANIMe enough
 
user3010322
If you do Fraction farray[LIMIT];, you don't even need new either.
 
11:11 PM
lol fail limit
 
Almost 5 quadrillion cookies
 
@ThePhD Invoking destructor and constructor are not special, they're mandatory.
 
@thecoshman there are 3 weekends there
 
user3010322
@Puppy He's just learning C++ and Fraction is a PoD: we can gloss the details over for now while he wrangles hte basics.
 
failing to invoke the constructor and destructor is a very basic and immediate epic fail.
you can't pass the basics if you fail to construct and destruct appropriately.
 
11:12 PM
@CatPlusPlus Nice.
 
@CatPlusPlus People still play this?
 
buying tickets to uk
woo.
 
Is there a limit to how many cookies you can have?
 
Cookies won't fuckin click themselves (well they will but)
 
long long long long long long long int.
 
11:13 PM
JS has unlimited precision integers I think.
 
@Rapptz mm don't think so
 
there's no bignum library?
 
Sure there are
 
@Rapptz not standard
 
There are crypto implementations in JS, you can't do that without bignum
 
11:14 PM
uh yes external libraries exist
 
Who cares if it's standard
 
but it's not like Integer in haskell or numbers in python
@CatPlusPlus I thought that was what danny was asking for, geez.
 
I'm not talking about standard JS.
 
how do you know which one works the best
 
The same as with anything else?
Dumb question
 
11:16 PM
I should have specified though.
 
-    cam.pos = glm::vec3(10,1.72,-15); // average person about that tall, right?
+    cam.pos = glm::vec3(10,1.7,-15); // average person about that tall, right?
lol @thecoshman quality changes you got there
 
Average person is 1.72 m tall?
 
 if(points >= 3){
+            printf("    you winned!\n");
+            break;
YOU WINNED
 
I WINNED
I LIKE WINNEDING
 
@ThePhD yeah but he wants us to not do that, I.e. if we initialize a list of 7 then it must be a 7-sized array
 
11:19 PM
Why does he limit you on doing things.
 
because he's a dumb dick duh
 
Maybe ill just troll them and #include <vector> and reduce the program size by half
 
user3010322
Because Professors are dirty sadists.
 
user3010322
@DonLarynx You'll also get failed, so.
 
'half' lol
 
11:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz :P
 
more like 90% in most cases
 
I only have GET requests.
This is gonna take so long
 
@BartekBanachewicz brb 160 lines into 16
 
@Nooble think I'll shove them on an auction site :)
 
Need I remind you I need a lot of whitespace for new and delete
 
11:21 PM
Yeah sell them to a malware company.
 
This is killing my appetite.
 
@Rapptz Lol.
@DonLarynx Seriously can you ask your professor why on earth you aren't allowed to use std::vector? I mean, it's in the standard library.
 
user3010322
The point is for the person to learn more about C/C++ programming.
 
4 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
because he's a dumb dick duh
 
Lol
 
11:24 PM
@ThePhD hehe
 
Cause its not part of the course objectives
 
user3010322
Specifically, that lovely C/C++ hybrid.
 
seriously guys you need to be more Bartek at some times
6
 
depends ...
 
at some point, particularly when talking about uni, there's really no point in dwelling over things more than "he's a dumb dick"
 
11:25 PM
Be like 200 grandmas
 
if we want to see more dog fight, we want more barteks
 
I like this image now.
 
Kindly don't waste my precious screen estate
 
@BartekBanachewicz Professor: The reason I don't allow my student to use std::vector is because I'm a dumb dick. A big, fat, dumb, dick.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader OOOOH SHIT.
 
@Borgleader "we like totally didn't just take mantle. not at all"
@ThePhD meh
 
@Borgleader DAMN IT I JUST GOT USED TO THIS API
 
> glNext will be the singular choice for developers who demand peak performance in their applications.
lol
 
user3010322
@Nooble Suffer. :D
 
11:26 PM
PURFROMANCE
 
Like Mantle and whatever else was in this category already
 
$25 on glNext API being god awful
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fuck Mantle
 
Insert that xkcd on standards
 
@Borgleader you know that glnext is going to be pretty much literally mantle right
 
11:27 PM
Of course it'll be awful, it's a low level graphics API
 
@BartekBanachewicz With one key difference, not tied to AMD
 
@Borgleader They better release the video publically
 
@Borgleader who the fuck cares?
it's still a low-level godawful api
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't have an AMD card! :P
 
I heard AMD donated mantle to the Khronos group... I wonder if glNext will resemble mantle at all
 
user3010322
11:28 PM
At the moment OpenGL is the only way to deal with people in China who have 53% Windows XP usage since D3D9 locked out users since D3D11+ are going to be OS-tied.
 
@Borgleader so?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I can't use Mantle, but I could use glNext.
LET ME BE HYPY
 
It'll probably be the same thing
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Borgleader you know that glnext is going to be pretty much literally mantle right
@Borgleader point being why would you want to use it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Whoops, didn't read lol
 
11:28 PM
it's low-level shit for people making frostbite and UE
it's like almost useless for hobby devs because of the shitass complication
 
@BartekBanachewicz For shits and giggles and PERFORMANCE. Fuck it I said it. PER-FOR-MANCE
 
BUT YOU CAN RENDER WIHTH 0.5% LESS OVERHEAD NOW
 
Are they going to keep on making new OpenGL's or are they really moving on to a low-level API?
 
who cares that your shitty homegrown engine can't even run the gpu at 1% power
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you know what my job is? Game dev. Do you know what I spend most of my time on? 3D. I care.
 
11:29 PM
or that you actually have scenes with 10k tris
 
user3010322
I thought OpenGL as already pretty low-level.
 
@ThePhD It is, kinda.
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus That's a lot of grandma.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Damn why you so mad
 
11:30 PM
@Borgleader meh
@Pris because dumb hype
 
@Borgleader Are you writing games or engines
 
GL 5 could be a new reasonable API
GL next is FAILED attempt at GL5
 
pls no shitposting
 
If I'm releasing a game, I'd be using GL 3.1 anyways.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why kill hype? Hype is fun. You're such a negative nancy, yo
 
11:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz but but llgl! (low level gl) :p
 
@Nooble Make games for rich people instead
 
user3010322
@melak47 Buahaha.
 
@Nooble I think they want glNext to replace ES as well though
 
I don't fucking get the "low level is better" hype
 
11:31 PM
@Pris Right.
 
yes let's write everything in gpu assembly
 
I'm all for merging GL and GLES.
 
why don't you make reasonable APIs with low overhead instead
 
@BartekBanachewicz No no, new is better. Low level is good for those that can make use of it.
 
Merging GL with GLES consists of throwing away GL and going with GLES
 
11:32 PM
@Borgleader which is like 0.01% of OpenGL users currently
@CatPlusPlus except no, because GLES is missing a lot of important features
seriously, most of the people using opengl can't use it
 
Like what
 
making it more complicated and low level basically means it's becoming useless for a lot of people
 
user3010322
The reason OpenGL ES is as bad as it is is because it was made for crappier hardware.
 
user3010322
(But there's a lot of things that really should have just naturally been part of the spec.)
 
ES is limited because mobile SoCs can't handle stuff like Geometry Shaders without consuming too much die space / power
 
11:33 PM
Well the core of ES is better than the core of normal GL because it's not crappified with random support
 
WebGL is ES
 
WebGL is the only portable standard now
 
But there's no reason they can't have one API where certain things are enabled/disabled
 
and the one that's actually useful
@Borgleader Also you know, I was actually following the khronos talk about that months ago. When the plans for GL 5 were outlined and stuff
 
user3010322
Isn't WebGL just OpenGL ES vLatest?
 
11:35 PM
And yeah, uh, no. "new" isn't better.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hopefully not.
 
@ThePhD Its ES 2 I believe
 
WebGL 2 is ES 3
 
@BartekBanachewicz Uh but you said ES is missing stuff
So which is it
DECIDE
 
user3010322
Make a choice, Freeman.
 
11:36 PM
@CatPlusPlus ES 3.1 is p okay, admittedly
But I dunno... jeff tried to run hate's samples and it turns out I'm using 4.2 features
and for me they were like totally basic and natural
 
and of course he has a shitty mac so there
 
Feature not a bug
 
I'm going to write two backends, one on 4.x and one on 3.3
 
@BartekBanachewicz shitty mac is redundant :P
har har har
 
11:37 PM
Let the OSX users suffer
They did it to themselves
 
I'm going to make 3.3 the reference renderer and test the optimized 4.x backend with it
sounds like a plan huh
 
@BartekBanachewicz I would honestly just do 3.1 if you can, as it will support most hardware, including the ever-so-popular Intel HD3000's.
 
then I'll add WebGL backend and compile it with Haste
 
user3010322
3.3 is technically a good default BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE DSA SO I HATE IT.
 
@Nooble lol haha
3.1 is like fucking ancient
 
11:38 PM
Meanwhile Blender devs are thinking of making OpenGL 2.0 (or 2.1 i cant remember) the minimum requirement
 
it has shaders numbered #160 or something
 
v0v
 
Welcome to compatibility
 
user3010322
Compat sucks.
 
It's #140
 
11:39 PM
@Nooble LOL
 
:P
 
no seriously 4.x or bust
if you're going compat 3.3 is the absolute bottom
 
If you wanna be haemorrhaging edge then you should be aware of limited deployment possibilities
 
below 3.3 there's just nothing
I mean GPUs supporting 3.3 can be bought for a 6-pack of beer
 
I'm writing an ES2 / 2.1 lib ;___;
 
user3010322
11:40 PM
3.3 is a decent default that will next your china Windows XP users and your craptastic Mac users and Linux people but who cares about them.
 
@Pris hahahaha
ahahahah 2.1 ahahah lmao
 
Really I wouldn't mind bumping up to 3.3 for desktop but that throws a wrench in mobile
 
yeah you know I'm going to bed and I'm going to laugh myself to sleep thinking about people using OGL 2.1 in 2015
 
user3010322
People don't all get upgrades for free.
 
do you also support IE 6 and windows 98
 
11:42 PM
I have the hardware to code in 4.5, I'm just saying most computers only have 3.1 support.
 
So what?
 
user3010322
Mobile Target = 2.1
Desktop / Laptop = 3.3/3.1
Bleeding Edge Give No Fucks = 4.5 YEEEAH
 
Most of the gaming pc have 4.x support I suppose
 
I want to support mobile though. If I support mobile I need ES 2. If I'm writing in ES 2, 2.1 is similar enough that I can reduce the amount of work I do if I don't bother with 3
 
no, if you support mobile you use ES 3
 
11:42 PM
@BartekBanachewicz True.
 
Like, ES 2 is pretty much 2.1 without the fixed function pipeline and a bunch of useless crap
 
user3010322
I have to check the Steam hardware survey again
 
@Pris and with extension hell yes
 
user3010322
To see what people have.
 
ES3 is the first usable ES
 
11:43 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ES 3 is not widely supported. My phone doesn't even have ES 3 and I have a Nexus 4... which is pretty old, but not ancient.
 
because you actually get all of the fucking extensions required
@Pris Nexus 4 has ES3 support.
 
Plus tons of driver issues with ES 3
 
Hmm... What GL 4 features is an absolute must-have that is missing in 3?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd have to upgrade Android which I don't really want to.
 
user3010322
 
11:44 PM
@Pris a) then stop spreading FUD about GL support b) android 5 is way better
@ThePhD lol
 
user3010322
You get some 67% market penetration, assuming 100% of the people buy your shit.
 
lol you can't count on your users upgrading the OS
 
user3010322
Don't know what mobile offers.
 
there, parked 'em
 
3 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
do you also support IE 6 and windows 98
 
11:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz From everything I've seen wrt Lollipop, its trash
 
@Pris MINDLESS HATE GO
 
I should have held on to mil.ht
 
So no thanks. But ES 3 support is rising pretty quickly, so who knows. Google says its at 30% developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html#OpenGL
 
I haven't actually used the OS but it's trash you know
Internet told me so.
 
11:46 PM
It's Android, of course it's trash
 
@BartekBanachewicz Subjective: I think Material Design is ridiculously ugly, Objectively: worse battery life, wifi issues, etc
 
user3010322
Eww.
 
user3010322
Those Mobile numbers for OpenGL ES 3.0 are shit.
 
user3010322
The good news is I can stick with DirectX 11 and OpenGL 4.4 and I'll still have good potential market.
 
11:47 PM
@Pris yeah picking only things that got worse for some users makes a fair comparison indeed
 
Welcome to real world, where adoption of new things is shit
 
I'm not upgrading until something >= 5.1 at least
 
fuck people not upgrading software sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz What else do you want me to compare? I'm on 4.2 and everything works the way I want it to. I don't have any issues. I should upgrade to 5 because... ?
 
because it's less shit that 4
why do I even have to say it
 
11:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No, fuck people that put out untested updates that are worse
 
Some phones you can't upgrade even if you'd like to
 
yeah well that's your fault for buying them
 
@BartekBanachewicz What's in GL4 that you personally could not live without?
 
@Nooble Debug output, dsa, sampler bindings
 
11:49 PM
I used to blindly upgrade everything until Gnome 3x came along and now I rarely update anything unless I need like a critical security fix. Stability > beta bullshit, Function > form
 
@CatPlusPlus WE HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON, WE BOTH LIKE TO POST PICTURES OF GRANDMAS!!
oops caps
 
@Pris function > form, I'm not going to upgrade to a new os version because I don't like its visuals
laffo
why do I bother anyway
people are terrible
 
He pointed out things other than visuals though?
 
this is the point when you pour another round @Cat
@CatPlusPlus unproven fud and bullshit
 
lol
Not being an early adopter of new major releases is a good strategy to avoiding launch bugs
I wouldn't have patience either
I almost had Cassandra in the project, and that shit is not recommended to be used until x.y.6
 
11:52 PM
Why would you care for making new versions if people didn't want to install them
 
First bugfix releases of GCC used to be system-breaking too
 
> new version released!
> not going to install until next one comes out
 
That's how this works
 
uh and who's gonna test the current one?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe look up some bugs on the android bugtracker before claiming something is fud
 
11:53 PM
assuming it's after internal testing of course
 
Early adopters
Some people have time and resources to adopt new things immediately, some don't
 
I s'pose
 
If you don't want to be part of the early bug squashing then avoid launch releases vOv
Unless the project has really good QA and had a lot of release candidates that were already proven to be stable
 
@Pris I just have extremely little patience for people being paranoidal freaks about new releases, lack of configuration and spying
for some reason I find them the most annoying
 
Don't trust anyone
 
11:55 PM
especially cats on the internet
 
Security 101
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's because you haven't been screwed over by shitty upgrades. When you upgrade to something that completely ruins your workflow and you can't downgrade without flashing/formatting/etc, then you'll understand why people are weary.
 
I've long learned to not set my workflows in stone
 
30+% for ES3 is pretty damn impressive though. I think KitKat intro'd ES3
 
I can adapt. I don't care anymore really
 
11:56 PM
don't trust cats anywhere
 
Everything's shitty in the end so you might as well clench your teeth and deal with it
 
@chmod711telkitty poor fish.
 
okay let's end this debate I'm tired as fuck
let's talk about something nice instead
like is factorio multi out already
hmpf 11.16 is there, but still as experimental
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The best part of that is its in between two #include's
#include<iostream>
#define nine 9
#include<vector>
 
11:59 PM
what in the actual
 

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