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Auntie Wainwright is dead. Long live Lancaster Bomber.
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> tails "DICKS"
["DICKS","ICKS","CKS","KS","S",""]
nice avatar
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Thanks.
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It's a picture of my DICK.
@Rapptz It's not a candlegraph, it's a boxplot
00:00
@orlp Proving my point.
@Rapptz And it's important to capture CPU profiling variance, as well as worst/best case
its a trap
@райтфолд Also, the URL on your profile leads to a 502 error.
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@redCodeAlert exactly :p
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00:01
@EtiennedeMartel I know. Linode rebooted the server for planned maintenance but I hadn't configured my blog server to autorestart.
@orlp I have no clue what that is. Please don't try to explain, I'm happy living in ignorance.
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And since I have zero subscribers I'm not really bothering until I put up a new blogpost.
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The only thing on it was a hello world post and a monad tutorial, anyway.
@MartinJames What a boxplot is, or what CPU profiling variance and worst/best case is?
Listing it in plain text would be better than the graph BTW
00:03
@orlp I'm pretty sure he's saying he doesn't want anything more complex than: "ManU lost by 4".
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@EtiennedeMartel fixed
@Rapptz compare for example with a profile from lightness' machine: i.imgur.com/QWKtWVx.png
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I should write a blog post about special cases.
@JerryCoffin how could you tell?
What do you guys think is the best C++ book? C++03, ,C++11 or C++14 doesn't really matter.
00:05
@райтфолд Your writing a blog post would be a special case.
I thought geese have bumps on their foreheads
@JerryCoffin You know me so well:)
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@Rapptz /dev/zero
I've never profiled any code. Either my design works, or it doesn't.
@Rapptz Best for what person in what situation? Pretty hard to recommend Lakos to a rank beginner, or You can do it to somebody who's been writing C++ for a couple decades.
00:06
why would you say that question is off-topic if it actually helped someone(someone who up-voted it) — Deimantas 55 secs ago
^^ wait, nobody upvoted it.
@JerryCoffin Well, for teaching C++ I suppose.
My C++ book is the best because it doesn't exist
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> On the right tags, you'll plough through your 40 down vote limit per day in a matter of minutes.
gah I need to finish integrating XMPP
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C++ :)
00:07
So boring
Twat of the month:
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/286845/is-it-okay-for-some-dicks-to-downvote-questions-that-they-dont-know-answer-to
Just because someone somewhere was helped by the post "10 tips for a successful genocide" doesn't mean it's on-topic on SO.
@orlp Oh... you're all over it already.
snack overflow questions are literally hitler
00:08
@Mysticial Yeah - been down pubs.
@CatPlusPlus have you thought of creating catoverflow?
@Rapptz Teaching to whom? People who've never programmed before, people who've programmed a little in other languages, experienced programmers using C++ for the first time, or people who've used C++ for years, but want to update to a more modern style?
@orlp We already have that, courtesy of neighbour who will not spay the things.
00:09
The first 3 categories I suppose.
raise your hand if you have/want a kitten/cat
\o/
lol.
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But very nice.
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gaben ftw
00:11
@райтфолд lol
Hi, quick question: Can you forward declare a specialization of std::less? It feels wrong to put the implementation of my specialization into a header file.
@райтфолд A man as sexy as GabeN is NSFW regardless of zoom level.
@Rapptz You can do it, C++ Primer, and Accelerated C++ respectively (and wish like hell that AC++ were more up to date).
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00:12
@JerryCoffin I only need AC++ in midsummer.
@райтфолд my ~~waifu~~ GabeN
orlp: -.-
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enable std/io

deffn main () unit {
    io/writeln "Hello, world!"
}
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The alternative for those who dislike proc!
> unit
00:13
@MartinJames Move to the Philippines, and it becomes a year-round thing.
..
@DanielJour Create a custom comparator instead.
@JerryCoffin You can do it? Is that a joke? :v
@Rapptz Using the third template argument of the container (in this case map) ... I should've tought of that myself, so obvious. Thank you very much :)
@JerryCoffin The Philippines? I'm nearly 2m tall. I would accidentally tread on the locals.
@DanielJour std::less also uses operator< so by providing that you automatically get std::less<MyType> for free.
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00:18
@orlp ?
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That's the return type.
@JerryCoffin That said, the girls are just.. .
@райтфолд Why not an empty tuple? Why introduce something like a unit?
@MartinJames ...about as hot as the weather.
00:19
@JerryCoffin ... not very tall:)
@Rapptz Hm, I probably need to go with the comparator, as I also need operator<
Bye :)
@райтфолд Glorious.
@JerryCoffin paperback from $0.17, must be a really valued book ...
Lol + $3.99 shipping
00:20
@DanielJour everyone is using Java now
yay
Java<C++>
Plot twist.
for $0.17 you're only getting the literal paper back.
@MartinJames I doubt it. I've visited and hardly walked on anybody (though I did find some odd bits of blood on the bottoms of my shoes a few times).
@JerryCoffin you mean ketchup right
@JerryCoffin I would not care. They are just stunning.
@DonLarynx Maybe it was ketchup. Some of the natives are also on the large size (for what they are).
@MartinJames Quite right. I'm sure I followed the direction to "set phasers to stun", anyway.
@JerryCoffin lol
@JerryCoffin That's a really small foot.
00:29
Or a really big bug.
My lib uses event messaging where each Object can send and receive events. I want to give all objects a chance to clean up properly... so I'm thinking I'll use an atomic counter that has the # of Objects alive, and then spin in an event loop at the end of the program until the object count drops to 0. This feels so gross though
@Rapptz Bingo!
@chmod711telkitty No. For example, a Canada Goose:
screw those things
stupid geese
00:34
@Pris Geese are mean and dangerous, not stupid.
Tell that to the ones that cross the road randomly
and they poop everywhere stupid unsanitary jerks
@Mysticial Yeah--big enough my son was scared to put his foot any closer to it than that.
@JerryCoffin Reminds me of this thing. Had I known it was harmless, I'd have put it on my hand.
Jun 7 '13 at 13:37, by Mysticial
user image
@chmod711telkitty One time a goose bit me.
00:37
that's not unusual ... they chased me when I was like 3 yo too
@chmod711telkitty I was 6 chasing chickens in my grandma's mini-farm
This java assignment makes me want to cry srsly
worse than piglatin one
only cause I am actually trying here (i didn't complete piglatin lol)
@Mysticial I've read about those, but never actually seen one. If I remember correctly, there's only one other kind of beetle that's larger--but the larger one doesn't have the big horn, so it doesn't look as impressive (at least to me, though I've only seen pictures of either).
would you guys eat a beetle grub
@Pris Only in desperation (but if the alternative were starving to death, yeah, probably).
I wonder why not more people rearing swans, imagine get bitten by one of those babes
00:50
@chmod711telkitty Best left wild and viewed from at least some distance.
@JerryCoffin why? dogs are larger & more vicious
unless swan meat is not tasty or they don't reproduce that well in captivity
@chmod711telkitty I'm not particularly in favor of keeping dogs either.
Wow, I can't seem to find an application that let me see the hours of the day with my timezone and someone else's near each other to see which possible hours overlap.
@chmod711telkitty I never ate swan, but I'm not particularly fond of goose--it's quite greasy.
All of those require me to input a location. What if I only know the guy is -9 hours behind me.
00:55
@Jefffrey "...which possible hours overlap"?
@Jefffrey What?
Use that then?
Just pick a city in the timezone.
I don't want to look at the city in the timezone every time.
Are you bad at geography?
00:58
My TicTacToe program is 653 lines long.

Let's see what happens when I compile it.
Though admittedly, I don't know many of the exotic cities for exotic time zones.
@Jefffrey You don't even have to.
There's a "Zones..." button.
I have even less of an idea with that Zones list.
Do basic math then.
Fuck me. 'DICK' guy got closed before I could get my insults in:(
@Rapptz Oh by the way, the statement before was more of a "Why would I need help from God? I'm not the one that is depressed" which was a reply to your "God help you". It was not a "I'm happy, you are not, so fuck you" kind of thing.
01:07
yeah, I want some kind of instant notifications for trollable posts too! hate to be always late to trolling frenzies!
And yes, maybe I'm trying to convince myself I'm happy, even though deep down I'm not. I have yet to decide if that's true.
    abstract class GamePlay{

    protected String[][] board = new String[3][3]; //board

        for(int i = 0; i < 3; i++){ //initializing the board
        	for(int j = 0; j < 3; j++){
        		board[i][j] = " ";
        	}
        }
    }
Apparently this isn't legal! WTF
Why would it be?
Why not
The fuck is it doing?
01:08
@Rapptz It's initializing a 2D-array in an abstract class
You can't have code in the middle of class body god
Read Java 101 or something
Why would anyone want to override it?
fuuuuuuuuuck
Ohhwait, it's not a member function..
01:10
Everyone calm down
I've got great news
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Free beer?
I have no idea what is going on with this account, it was merged back into my main but somehow I'm still on chat with this one. Wtf.
Chat is very well coded
Chat accounts are different
@Rapptz SO support said the opposite though
01:12
lag on chat? takes 1 - many hours for the changes to reflect on chats
@AMostMajestuousCapybara It's a chat base class.
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Click "Parent User"
urgh
how is that even
Vlad answered questions today.
Anyways how is everyone on this booootiful dei
01:16
@Borgleader Yeah. The beer prize for Vladspotter 2015 has been awarded.
Also I can't edit my profile now because "invalid image type"
gr8 job
Why does MinGW come with ancient grep.
Doesn't even support grep -o.
:|
@DonLarynx Use a static initializer block. Or just a static function to initialize the new String[3][3] array.
I'll try sumthin
@CatPlusPlus that's why constructors were invented, deal with it
01:18
Did it worked
No
@Jefffrey I used the constructor GamePlay()
@DonLarynx What
Or maybe just a code block without the static keyword. That seems to run as an instance initializer.
@CatPlusPlus Hint: troll
    GamePlay(){
    	switcher = 0;
    	gametype = "";


    for(int i = 0; i < 3; i++){ //initializing the board
    	for(int j = 0; j < 3; j++){
    		board[i][j] = " ";
    	}
    }
}
Fixed it
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Hint: Moran
01:21
I didn't dare call you that, but thx :)
In other news. Rule 56 of interweb: Any Google image search will inevitably turn up women in suggestive poses, including searching for "suggestive poses". timetofap.jpeg
TIL middle clicking a tab closes it.
@Rapptz Constructors were invented to initialize member data.
I think everyone here except you knows that already.
01:25
Night
Night.
unordered_map is not a member of foo::bar::std
what the fuck is going on
lmao
what
There's this file where the compiler thinks std:: is a subnamespace of the current one somehow
Nevermind the fact that it does not make sense at all!
Must be a missing semicolon or brace somewhere
01:32
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Is it part of the stdlib?
Coliru's headers are apparently out of date, but it works fine with (for example) VC++.
Oh my god oh my god
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Yes, my son?
    void foo() {
        // plenty of code here

        if (?) {
            // even more code
        }

private:
    some_type some_var;
};
^ nice fuckup!
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I did kind of the reverse of that with a select/case statement once. Spent an hour trying to figure out why it didn't go to defualt: when nothing else matched...
01:35
Huh. I feel like the compiler should spit out that you're missing a closing brace for foo()?
Alright, so I'm trying to get an OpenGL demo I made to run on Ubuntu.
And it compiles, but I see nothing.
:(
@JerryCoffin That must have been a pain too
@Oldfrith He's not. The private: is just a normal label inside his function, and he's defining a variable after that.
You can do private: inside a function? oh wait. Yeah. It's what goto uses.
:|
@AMostMajestuousCapybara It was especially painful when my friend looked at it and diagnosed the problem in about 5 seconds.
01:38
It's a keyword so probably not.
It works for windows, it compiles perfectly here, but I can't get that wretched triangle to show itself!
I actually don't think so. Within the context of a function, the compiler would be able to differentiate between the normal private: that is used for classes and the goto id.
@Nooble Code? Or is there too much of it? And are your ubuntu drivers up to date?
@Oldfrith You'd certainly like it to, and there's undoubtedly a fair argument to be made that it should, but I also find it pretty easy to believe that in at least some cases it doesn't.
In the current episode, this dad is employing AWS compute instances to crack son's 14-char password using GPU-enabled hybrid markov/rule-based attacks. On demand.
@Oldfrith The code is short. Here is a pastebin to it. No clue why it didn't indent there, but w/e.
I'm going to try updating drivers now.
The code works up to the point where it's supposed to draw... It doesn't draw.
01:42
@JerryCoffin Huh. I still feel like that if its a keyword, then it prolly shouldn't be allowed. But that's just me.
@sehe Social engineering ("Tell me your password and I won't tell your mom what you did last night.") is easier.
I get a valid GL3.3 context and everything!
@JerryCoffin A lot easier. But not as educational. Nor fun
@Nooble And you're saying it works fine on windows? That almost certainly sounds like a non-code issue.
He'll tell me anyway. But I've stopped him for the moment.
01:44
@Oldfrith Yeah, works perfectly fine on Windows.
Now how the hell do I debug a program that compiles perfectly :P
@Nooble inb4 bartek raising from the dead to mumble softly 4.5
Yesterday's attack scheme resulted in worst case run-time of 55 years until crack (I'd be flat broke before that), with no guaranteed success. So, todays scheme is actually slated to complete in ~2.5 days.
@AMostMajestuousCapybara :P
Once I either succeed or my son yields the password, we can see what the probability actually was of me cracking that particular password in this timeframe, with the particular scheme.
@Nooble Breakpoints...?
01:46
@sehe Once you've cracked it, the probability becomes 1 :)
@Oldfrith Let me try...
Ok so, I've gotten fixed function crap to work, which is nice.
@AMostMajestuousCapybara Of course. However, if I don't I can use the markov stats to calculate how long I should have been running the gen in order to hit that password
So at least I know GL drivers are working.
@Nooble inb4 bartek rage aaaaaaa fixed function aaaaaaa scum of this earth aaaaaaa
I know 3 pieces of information 1. length is 14 characters 2. likely only lowercase alpha chars 3. significant occurrences of name fragments in there, but not contiguous
01:49
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I hate fixed function as well, but it's such an easy way to test if drivers work.
That's a most fun exercise to generate a good password list for
@Nooble aaaaaaaaaaa
@Nooble Open or closed source drivers?
@Oldfrith Open sourced.
It's XF86
TIL the standard has no specialization for std::hash<std::pair>
boost to the rescue
01:50
But, the space for 14 lowercase alpha chars would still take 5.111×10^8 average Gregorian years according to Wolfram (on "my" hardware)
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I hate how std::pair<A,B> is not much more interchangeable with std::tuple<A,B>
@Nooble :|. If proprietary drivers are available, and you have no qualms with them, I'd reccommend trying those. I often find that (for nvidia at least), proprietary drivers work better.
VICTORY AT LAST
I got it to work.
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@sehe They really should have used base member initialization to name the first element first, the second element second, the third element third, the fourth one fourth, at least up to nine or something.
So I accidentally set shader version to 4.0, but my hardware only supported 3.3.
@Nooble That'll do it
01:53
@ThePhD on the contrary. They should have let us adapt our custom structs so it can act as a std::pair in standard library facilities.
Because first and second suck soooooo hard, we really don't want third and fourth, up to seventh ring of Dante's hell at that
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@sehe std::tie can do that then, no?
No. Not for std::pair, was my point. Also, std::tie is runtime, I'd like the typefunction
@Oldfrith Officially, there's no question it shouldn't be allowed. All keywords are reserved for that purpose. Unofficially, I can see where a compiler might easily treat it as a normal label, even though it shouldn't. I can also see where a compiler that did diagnose it might give a strange error message.
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Uh.
user3010322
I don't quite follow.
user3010322
01:55
But okay!
@sehe There's nine circles
Oh. In that case, there's room
@JerryCoffin I can see a compiler giving me an unrelated error and making me lose about 45 minutes
std::pair has a std::tuple-like interface.
std::get works for it, std::tuple_size, etc.
@AMostMajestuousCapybara I can't seem to get the opencl dependency compiling with john-the-ripper on Amazon EC2 GPU instances (nvidia GPUs). On my local workstation the result is ~2x faster than the CUDA kernel for sha512crypt. Of course, the EC2 instance is faster than that, even with CUDA, but... it's tantalizing that opencl might be faster still and I can't tap it
Any idea what dependencies to install (Debian/Ubuntu)?
01:59
What OCL impl are you installing?
Snarky answer of the day:
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A: This is from my old quiz, anyone familiar with the concept about unix? I'm really struggling with this

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