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3:00 PM
For most parts its just statistics
 
Ell
there is gap for some reason :3 I need to start agian
 
and probabilities
and maybe psychology ??
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ah.
Each time I read about containers and other stuff like Docker I really ask myself why Android picked the Java way out.
Now phone apps have huge RAM requirements for no reason whatsoever.
 
> Clara: Now, is it true that you've been injecting yourself with semen from baby pigs?
Riggan: I'm sorry, what?
Clara: As a method of facial rejuvenation.
Riggan: Where did you read that?
Clara: It was tweeted by @prostatewhispers.
 
@rubenvb Iphones too?
 
3:04 PM
@Elvisjames It feels less than Android.
But that's just a wild guess.
I actually don't know what the VM structure is for iOS.
 
They don't use java.
Objective-C
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's birdman!
 
@Elvisjames I'm talking about the VM structure of the OS and app execution environment.
 
As in, Java inherently runs in a VM. (Dalvik/ART)
 
3:07 PM
Guys
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Pigs produce semen as babies?
 
Can someone give me a few pointers on c++ static reflection?
Is it going to be real?
 
it's nonexistent
 
Why would it require a VM if it ran directly on the OS
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok no idea
 
Ell
is there a proposal for c++17?
 
What about that n3996 paper
 
@Elvisjames What?
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit we knew that at the time
 
@Puppy It was tweeted by @prostatewhispers so it must be true.
 
3:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I swear this happens like every 3 months
 
yes. the media just totally has it in for Putin. they're outright lying about his country's actions, now.
it's so blatant and sad
 
oh, now the media starts lying about stuff?
Where has your head been, in some WWII bunker?
 
@CatPlusPlus the 'team' that organise our vms have set up a new area (opposed to trying to run a stupid number in one cluster) but are saying the some templates will only be in the new area and some only in the old area. I don't understand why we have to have this split...
 
Is it the same hypervisor?
 
user1804599
Codegen for recursive foreach will be fun.
 
3:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus afaik, yes... well, both clusters are vmware, but still different clusters
 
Images should be automated anyway
 
user1804599
> status={(True, False): 'C', (False, True): 'P', (False, False): 'A'}[acquaintance.is_customer, acquaintance.is_prospect],
 
user1804599
meh
 
@CatPlusPlus they are (afaik) but they are only making these images available to certain clusters... sounds like they are claiming that an image can only be run form in the cluster you create it in
 
user1804599
how about status={0b10: 'C', 0b01: 'P', 0b00: 'A'}[acquaintance.is_customer << 1 & acquaintance.is_prospect], xD
 
3:20 PM
@райтфолд what about 0b11
 
user1804599
Can't.
 
user1804599
An acquaintance can't be both a customer and a prospect.
 
INCOMPLETE PATTERNS
 
user1804599
No, you can't even construct such an acquaintance object.
 
@райтфолд and you're going to crash the program on that?
 
user1804599
3:21 PM
Yes, what else? It can never occur.
 
user1804599
If it does, it's a bug.
 
it's not enforced in types
 
user1804599
It is.
 
should be a tri-value enum from the very beginning
data Acquaintance = Customer | Prospect | None
isCustomer Customer = True
isCustomer _ = False
 
user1804599
def __init__(self, ...):
    ...
    assert not (self.is_customer and self.is_prospect)
 
3:23 PM
@райтфолд that's a runtime assertion
not a static, type-enforced invariant
 
user1804599
Python is dynamically typed anyway hth.
 
@райтфолд terrible
 
@BartekBanachewicz yuck take that FP syntax away!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wut
 
you heard me
 
user1804599
3:26 PM
nice
 
user1804599
>>> {0b10: 'C', 0b01: 'P', 0b00: 'A'}[(True << 1) | False]
'C'
>>> {0b10: 'C', 0b01: 'P', 0b00: 'A'}[(False << 1) | True]
'P'
 
this syntax is clear, concise and readable
what's your problem with it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What do you mean?
 
user1804599
% diff <(python3.4 -c 'from dis import dis; dis(lambda x, y: x << 1 | y)') <(python3.4 -c 'from dis import dis; dis(lambda x, y: (x << 1) | y)')
%
 
user1804599
nice operator precedence
 
3:35 PM
i added support for pre/postfix increment/decrement but now normal addition and subtraction is broken
-.-
 
@Blob how come your tests didn't catch that regression?
Also fuck ++/--
the most shitty and useless operators on the planet
 
whaat?
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz how do you think he knew they were broken? ;)
 
@Blob they are only useful for one thing: writing terrible obfuscated code
 
Ell
how about iterators?
 
3:38 PM
don't use iterators
 
Ell
how about i++
 
++i, you mean
 
@Ell WRONG BITCH
 
Can anyone recommend me a book about cryptography?
 
3:38 PM
use for (:) or std:: combinators
 
postfix increment/decrement is twice as complicated as prefix inc/dec
 
Like cryptography 101
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz why? :P
 
@Ell because it's slower for no reason
 
Xeo
...
 
Ell
3:39 PM
idk if you're srs or not
 
of course I'm serious
 
it++ creates temporary
 
Bartek is always serious.
 
++it doesn't
 
Wrong, but serious.
 
3:39 PM
lol
 
it is slower.
even on O2
 
How come you always defend him when it's me vs him?
 
anyway, fuck ++/--
@Jefffrey because you're more wrong
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's a paradox.
Maybe.
 
seriously += 1 is as good and doesn't tempt you to write shitty code like *it++
 
user3010322
3:40 PM
The lesser of two Buckets Evils?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know where you got that idea.
 
Actually no.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz idk why you think that is shitty
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes We've benchmarked it in high school
 
@BartekBanachewicz Is that oxygen?
 
Ell
3:40 PM
it's not slow enough to matter
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, you fucked it up.
 
@Ell because it makes it so trivially easy to fuck up I don't even
what are we, C programmers?
 
We are dancer.
 
We are the legion.
 
"How fast do you really need this coffee?" Is this a trick question? — Williham Totland yesterday
 
3:42 PM
You are the nerds
 
Cryptobook, anyone?
Who is the crypto expert here?
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I'd guess @Puppy . Though he didn't manage to crack SHA so he can't be that much of an expert ;)
 
shit my library details are leaking into docs
 
Ell
3:43 PM
burrrrrrn
 
user3010322
 
user1804599
so awesome :D
 
that apparently means my modules are badly structured
 
user1804599
bitwise operators are great
 
@ThePhD lol
Can you recommend a good book to start learning cryptography? @Puppy @sehe @JerryCoffin <3
 
3:44 PM
@Jefffrey I'd ping @sehe and I'd try @Jerry too because Jerry knows everything.
 
Danke errybody
 
> hello
My name is Peter Kruse. I represent a company csis.dk, we are struggling with hackers for many years already. We found out that you sent a virus disguised as an ordinary letter and now they want to steal your money. File in the attachment of the letter to remove viruses from your computer. Please treat it carefully this grupa stole more than a USD 10000000.
Write the result on my tweeter https://twitter.com/xxxxxxxxxxx
 
user3010322
Jerry is love. Jerry is life.
 
Hahaha. seems legit
 
2
Q: A good introductory book on cryptography

SaurabhCan anyone suggest me some good books on cryptography? I have just starting studying cryptography but I know elementary number theory, abstract algebra and algorithms. Also please mention the difficulty level of the book.

 
user3010322
3:45 PM
Unfortunately he won't teach me more than the usual snippets of wisdom because I don't have the requisite amount of Virgins. :(
 
@Jefffrey Applied Crypto (Schneier) is the bible. I know of no other book :)
@Jefffrey @std'OriginalDave and/or @CaptainGiraffe if I loosely remember?
 
@sehe Did you censor the twitter handle, or is that it?
 
I censored it. It's rather predictable though. And probably completly fake/unrelated
 
user3010322
> on my tweeter
 
Yeah. I loved that
 
3:48 PM
@sehe Thanks
 
@Juho Bruce Schneier. I recommend Cryptographic Engineering over Applied Cryptography, it's more up-to-date and has more usage considerations. AC is mostly a catalogue of algorithms. — Gilles ♦ Mar 31 '13 at 21:22
 
Please. The „quotes“ are making me sea-sick. You should spend less time „formatting“ things „cute“ and more time actually „explaining“ what things mean (procedure). I'll read the question as soon as I cleaned it up a bit. — sehe 18 hours ago
for posterity. deleting the comment now :)
@Blob Sounds helpful
 
user3010322
Wow.
 
user3010322
I tanked that stats quiz hard.
 
user3010322
3:51 PM
;~;
 
user3010322
Guess I'm shitty at stats. Time to go to office hours and figure out what's wrong in my head.
 
@ThePhD does that mean you failed
 
tank ~== flunk
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I didn't fail, but it ain't 100% either.
 
3:52 PM
It's GitHub Pages
They have some weird intermittent problems lately
 
@ThePhD if you didn't fail then you passed
what's the problem
 
And also a weird cert setup
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz I need to do more than just "pass".
 
@ThePhD why?
 
user3010322
100% is the only grade I want!
 
user3010322
3:53 PM
THE ONLY ONE.
 
ahahaha
lol grades lol
lol
 
@ThePhD your standards are too high. 95% is fine.
 
31% is fine if it's a passing grade
 
user3010322
@Blob fgt ill fite u 4 dat 5p brah
 
what? 65% is the "pass" limit here (US)
 
Ell
3:54 PM
I need 90%+
 
@Ell lol noob
 
@Blob Polish Matura Exam is 30%
 
@Jefffrey Personally, I prefer Handbook of Applied Cryptography, by Alfred Menezes, et al. The shortcoming is that it's a little less approachable than Schneier's books. The strengths are that it's more complete, available as a free download, and tends to have more detailed analysis of the algorithms.
 
it's the one you take after high school
 
Ell
3:56 PM
oh sheesh
yes please
 
user3010322
Ugh.
 
user3010322
My curiosity is burning.
 
meh burger king
 
user3010322
What did I do wrong?
 
user3010322
It was just histogram explanations.
 
3:57 PM
ain't THAT king
more like, burger prince
or burger royalty
 
Great, now I want a juicy hamburger.
 
perhaps burger duke
 
user3010322
Burger Duke?
 
Thanks for that.
 
yeah burger duke is more appropriate
 
3:57 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Gosh--it seems like you can get almost anything delivered nowadays. Any day now, somebody's going to get the idea that people like that, and allow you to get actual food delivered.
 
user3010322
@JerryCoffin Stop & Shop has that, uh. PeaPod thing in the U.S.
 
user1804599
use Modern::Perl;
sub f { waitpid 1; }
Not enough arguments for waitpid at - line 2, near "1;"
Execution of - aborted due to compilation errors.
 
user1804599
nice, it statically checks argument count
 
@райтфолд wow
 
The web should use TeX to typeset all text.
Just sayin'
 
3:59 PM
lol no
 

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