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12:01 PM
@sehe Well, if you live there, you probably got used to it. One of my friends was diagnosed with cancer. The time she told me that she had breast cancer was when I went on a diving trip with her. At jetty, she casually said "I have breast cancer" & I nearly fell into the water (okay I exaggerated a bit, but I was greatly surprised).
Like I said, I am against all wars
 
Yes. The point is it is pretty gruesome to have to get used to that.
It's just a fact. It is gruesome. No matter how blasé you want to act about it
 
How do you get used to having your house blown up?
 
@chmod711telkitty Yes, but I'm pretty sure the intent of that Zen is not so you can stop caring about any war/unjustice/disaster
 
I don't see how U.S. led war is better than the one in Ukraine
 
@Pris Users' approach to fixing problems with software is also "download patch, install it". Designing software is different from regular usage.
 
12:04 PM
@chmod711telkitty Who the fuck mentioned that? It's a strawmen of the most outlandish sort
 
@Pris JS is horrid for that. (YMMV, speaking from personal experience)
 
Or non-sequitur "Ukraine shellings are not important to me, because US-led war is not less bad"
 
@Abyx Why are you so ranty about France?
 
Because it's not Russia.
 
12:07 PM
46 mins ago, by sehe
@chmod711telkitty I think it is about the inevitability, really; and US/Australia are attempting to "contain" it before it spreads (it remains to be seen whether that even works, and is even fair at all)
 
@Rerito He likes playing the tu quoque game.
 
Does he want me to do Russia bashing? Cause that's not going to happen
 
@chmod711telkitty Yes? So, how does your message relate to my
> it remains to be seen whether that even works, and is even fair at all
 
@Rerito I doubt so
 
12:09 PM
beavern
 
"And you are lynching Negroes" (Russian: "А у вас негров линчуют", A u vas negrov linchuyut, "And at your place, they are lynching Negroes") and the later "And you are hanging blacks" (Russian: "А у вас негров вешают") are anecdotal counter-argument phrases, which epitomizes the tu quoque arguments used by the Soviet Union in response to allegations that it had violated human rights. Use of the phrase refers to such attempts to deflect criticism, e.g. by referencing racial discrimination and lynching in the United States. The Economist popularized the term whataboutism for the repeated usage of...
@Rerito He very often reminds me of this.
 
I've found an even better gem. If you don't replace the oil sooner than the producer recommends, lower oil pressure on cold engine might make the camshaft chain more susceptible to early malfunction (because the chain tension is controlled by oil pressure)
and that chain is typically designed for the engine lifetime
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah I felt it a bit like this
 
Morning suckers! Tomalak'Pol is back!
 
Well, if you truly feel for something, you should start acting on it because life is short & inaction on things that truly shocks you makes you either a coward or a hypocrite.
 
12:13 PM
Or it makes you 3,000 miles away and to have better things to do
 
I love animals & I love eating meat, sometimes I think I am a hypocrite for doing both at the same time
 
me too
eating gammon as we speak
TIL Abyx is Vlad's older brother
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's what a coward would say!
 
@Rerito what exactly in my message is ranty?
 
@StackedCrooked That would be a possibility, yes.
 
12:16 PM
@Abyx Why do you bring me being french in a discussion that is clearly nationless then?
 
I'm still likely to pass there, anyway. Still thinking up my itinerary.
 
He's still bitter about 1812
 
@Rerito please read what I wrote again.
 
(And it's not the first time you bring this on the table)
 
bring what?
 
12:17 PM
Immaturity.
disclaimer: I have literally no idea what's going on with you two right now
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nah. you had this preconceived opinion made up months ago. If not longer :)
 
it's actually more fun that way
 
@sehe Pretty sure he thought Vlad was the older one at first.
 
@chmod711telkitty Why are you telling us this? Are you assuming we don't?
 
Just a quick question: what is the name for a question which is asked only because the underlying idea is wrong.

For instance, a question would be: "how do I convert a very large JSON string to objects?", when it turns out the JSON is generated by the author from a database, to which he has direct access. That is, he should not use JSON after all
 
12:18 PM
@Harmen XY problem
 
thx!
that's it
+10 points
 
536
Q: What is the XY problem?

GnomeWhat is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

 
I was exactly looking for that topic :p
 
:)
 
but could not think of any words to google it
 
12:19 PM
@Abyx Just search for the word "french" when said by you in the transcript. It's quite explicit
 
@Harmen Answer to your stated question: "a question with a false premise"
@Harmen Answer to your actual question, based on the example given: "an XY question"
 
haha
 
Dec 28 '12 at 11:58, by Abyx
jemalloc is a French version of imalloc.
pretty funny
 
inb4 kick
hm ok flag. i was close
 
@Abyx If you don't want him to read your posts, perhaps get a different room
 
12:21 PM
meh, the room is not what it used to be.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I always thought the XY problem refered to someone wanting to solve Y to solve X... Y being a silly way to do so
 
@Rerito That's precisely the scenario Harmen described!
well, ish
 
Hmmm ok I got it. Misread your two comments
 
@Abyx "fuck off rarr rarr rarr" called out on being a twat "this room isn't what it used to be" No, indeed, funny that
 
@Rerito it was about the French language. not country or people
 
12:22 PM
@Rerito ;p
 
drama drama drama
 
I'm not ignoring anyone.
 
@Abyx You're really gonna get me diggin' in the transcript aren't you!
 
did someone say something
 
and yeah, the French language is useless and should disappear.
 
12:23 PM
Hmmm it all started with the kitty
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're very kind
 
Kitty's not even a troll any more. What a time to be alive!
 
@Abyx You can keep that for yourself
 
@BartekBanachewicz wait what?
 
@Rerito but there's not difference if he does ...
 
12:24 PM
I'm especially not going to ignore someone just because I disagree with what they say or whatever.
 
@sehe This kind of statement is offensive...
 
what about when you disagree with how they say shout it?
 
@Rerito yes
 
so. Greece, huh? RIP eurozone
 
Especially when you belong to the nation that is being bashed
 
12:25 PM
@StackedCrooked I broke Coliru. You think you can reboot it? (clang: error: unable to execute command: posix_spawn failed: Resource temporarily unavailable)
29 mins ago, by sehe
@ArneMertz I fed it http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/3acbfe69772eee05 for this answer http://stackoverflow.com/a/28148252/85371
 
Oh c'mon. France isn't North Korea. You don't "belong" to it ;p
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
WHAT THE FUCK GOOGOEL
 
@Rerito Wait. Is french a nation too
 
yeah wtf google. you promised me 121,000 result but only showed me 1!!
 
12:26 PM
French language is important to french culture and hence french nation
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A bit exhausted recently, how to build a house when you have absolute no previous experience. Australian safety standard is high, my own standard is quite high too. Also trying to finish it as fast as possible without getting a heat stroke (not working during noon or early afternoon because it's summer)
 
(guessing the 2nd result is what you wanted)
@chmod711telkitty I wish it were summer here :(
 
@рытфолд well, anything that returns a future you can block on so there's that.
 
@рытфолд bit.ly/1yUNCEg
 
Hopefully your project will be completed soon so you can go back to normal trollperation :)
 
12:27 PM
I am looking forward to be on site everyday :p
 
Can't wait!!
hugs
 
@Rerito I feel irritated, and I'm not even French. Just try to ignore
 
@рытфолд Why do you keep phantasizing about natural language search features in simple full text indexing services...
 
I have this sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that I'm destined to meet Kitty one day and fall in love and get married and have children and we'll look back on the SO days and be like wtf happened
 
user1804599
12:28 PM
D's HTTP client API is also terrible.
 
What do you say to that
 
user1804599
clj-http is nice but Clojure.
 
Good plan.
 
no comment :p
 
so non-comittal
 
12:29 PM
@рытфолд translation: it's not what rightfold wants
 
is that what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life
 
@рытфолд what's the big deal about an http client? There are good clients in every language... even php.
 
user1804599
Not for D.
 
I would fall in love with the chicken in my avatar too!
 
user1804599
Nor for Scala.
 
12:29 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that, and having your liver eaten out by a large bird whenever it grows back
 
user1804599
I tried everything and I can't find any.
 
user1804599
This is the only reasonable HTTP client API:
 
user1804599
Response performRequest(Request, CookieJar)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the chicken with teeth? Isn't she the cutest thing on earth @_@
 
@рытфолд if all you want is a synchronous anything that returns a future can be waited for synchronously anyway.
 
user1804599
12:30 PM
Or better:
 
@рытфолд lol cookiejar
 
That said, most of the time I would rather have Abyx stay quiet.
 
user1804599
Response performRequest(Request)
// ...
jar.unapplyCookies(performRequest(applyCookies(request, jar))
 
Oo I got it, @Abyx they are euros, of course they would get quite upset with casualties in ukraine - cause & effect, remember?
how could I be so dumb
 
@chmod711telkitty You being clever at the moment would mean that you'ld shut your mouth
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12:33 PM
they reason they acted so irrational is because that's the common feeling amongst europeans right now with news paint one side story
I am chinese Australian, of course I am less sensitive to the issue
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
IT EXISTS
 
@Rerito If you close this tab, all your problems will go away
I tried it for three weeks, what bliss
 
@TonyTheLion There are people here who actually bring me something (usually knowledge), so I won't do the few trolls this favor
 
@chmod711telkitty om nom nom
 
12:36 PM
@Rerito I know, this is the dilemma that I face.
 
@рытфолд actually, I'd very much favour the cookiejar being part of a request context. So that you can set things like keepalive, accepted encodings etc. there instead of on each request
 
Its so tempting to leave this place, yet I do like some of the people here enough for me to stick around
 
@Rerito That wasn't very nice.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am pretty sure it wasn't supposed to be very nice in the first place.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know, I can't bear that condescending tone
 
12:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I asked her more nicely before
 
So... everything's in order.
 
@TonyTheLion Tony The Scion
@Rerito And there's nothing at all "condescending" about your response, no
@Griwes business as usual here!
 
@рытфолд look at the URL (rickrolled)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nope there is not. Just anger
 
yall ever notice that carrots have rings in them like trees
 
12:39 PM
Yes
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit duhhhhhh - never heard of txtspk, have u? who say dis be english? my text, my rules. si tu preferes, on peut parler dans ma version de francais qui na pas daccents non plus. ou em portugues, lingua patria do teu namorado. o entonces en castellano. no te piace, adesso parliamo in italiano? — tony gil 5 hours ago
here goes!
@Pris Yes, every time I've ever eaten one.
It's almost like carrots are plants, or something
 
woah now, no need to be so condescending; i just didnt make the connection
like are they related to how old the carrot is?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know, right? nom with those tiny teeth!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit most likely
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Another one playing it "know-it all", tiresome isn't it?
inb4 I'm not saying you play it know-it all
 
12:43 PM
;p
tony gil isn't playing "know-it-all"; he's playing "hur hur hur i'm 3 years old hur hur hur"
 
for the record, the Italian sentence is incorrect
 
So is the french one
 
@AndyProwl giggle
I think you two should point those facts out to him
 
not worth it
 
That would be wasted keystrokes :(
 
12:45 PM
it would totally be worth it
 
I must admit, sometimes I am a sh!tty person. I don't feel easy about it. But on the other hand, my super cold rationale won my every battle (usually to do with getting things I want in business transactions). You do benefit from be able to figure out why people do certain things certain ways.
 
come on guys
chown tomalak:tomalak telkitty
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah. Newer engines are fucked up like that
 
12:46 PM
@Lightness tony implied we're boyfriends. Lol
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Kitty you should come to the Unconference
@R.MartinhoFernandes He can't really help his homoerotic fantasies shrug
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am thinking about it - I would like to, but it's 40+ hours return flights and if I tell people that I am flying to london to meet my online buddies, people probably would think that I am crazy
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit aw, leave the owner group to loungecpp
@chmod711telkitty so, this time you'd run a slightly lower risk of getting yourself killed, and still be crazy. I'd do it
@chmod711telkitty you mean, life is good when you're a psychopath? :D
@Rerito I heard a distinct whoosh happen right around there...
 
@sehe I'm sure you got me there! :)
 
@chmod711telkitty Tell them you're going to meet T'Pol
 
1:01 PM
:D
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Id'take that as a threat
 
ahhhh trent
So who's going to "quote the raven" then?
 
@sehe :-(
 
@EtiennedeMartel Great success \o/
 
user1804599
Neat.
 
bah
 
user1804599
 
somebody stole our lunch room so gotta lunch at my desk
 
@Rerito No, it isn't.
It's not surprising, though, given that the sentence is more or less explaining how it is not written in correct French.
 
lol
 
user1804599
lol
 
@Puppy now that's an amazing crime, an entire room!
@рытфолд the functions are handy, but methods can be anything, so better to take it as a string parameter
I'd also have a 'reuest' type, that has 'head' and 'body' types inside
 
user1804599
1:21 PM
@thecoshman that API also exists
 
Also, having to provide an empty map for no request body is ridiculously tedious
 
@thecoshman It's our lunch room :(
 
@Puppy I know, and they just up and stole it, what exemplary theft
 
I concur.
 
1:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll keep my pantsu on, thank you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is? posters for ants?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman You can also do RequestBody(MediaType.APPLICATION_FORM_URLENCODED).
 
@рытфолд your api sucks and you should feel bad!
 
@Puppy better the room than the lunch itself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nerd party
 
user1804599
1:25 PM
@thecoshman No, it's good.
 
@рытфолд that's a biased opinion :P
 
user1804599
It's not my API either.
 
oh, well it's still bad
 
user1804599
I merely consume it.
 
I mean that code you showed a sample of
The API is shit too
 
1:29 PM
@ArneMertz Dunno, in some ways I'd rather give them the lunch.
 
@AlexM. But I need blue!
 
there's no way in hell I'm going to wear your panties
or anyone's panties
 
Oh, I thought that was typo of pants.
 
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FYI unless you a yank, you keep you pants private.
 
1:34 PM
@thecoshman I had no reason to believe Alex wears female underwear.
 
Pants are not just for females.
 
panties are though
 
panties, those are for females
y-fronts
those are the 'classic' male pants afaik
I'm a more of a boxers man myself though.
 
I wear sexy pantsu
kawaii
 
I hear that as you get older you start to desire the support of pants
 
1:38 PM
@AlexM. Anyway, you didn't realise one thing.
You don't have to trade on the same kind of clothing.
You can trade your blue panties for that yellow shirt you need.
So you don't have to wear anyone's panties.
 
what, and just go panty-less?
 
oooh
exciting
 
@Puppy thong?
 
man-kini?
 
1:42 PM
What the fuck are you on about?
 
lol
 
@Puppy Make sure it's a big shirt :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes undies?
@R.MartinhoFernandes or wear something like trousers
 
Guys quick question: if there is no copy nor move ctor defined, are they both compiler generated to the default version?
 
no.
 
1:45 PM
Ok, so they only exist if we define them?
 
no.
 
Puppy don't troll me like that!
 
actually, both of my answers are technically correct.
 
@Puppy the best kind
 
the very best kind of correct.
 
1:47 PM
@Puppy Yes I figured that thanks to this: stackoverflow.com/a/4944131/1794345
 
@Rerito sometimes the copy or move constructor is not implicitly generated at all, and sometimes it is implicitly generated as deleted
 
@AndyProwl I'm lost... Is the reference I just linked to correct?
 
the real reason what you said was completely incorrect is that you didn't allow for different rules for copy and move constructors.
 
Could you provide me some resource so I can learn which case leads to which behavior?
 
no.
 
1:51 PM
@Rerito Not sure. The rules are quite intricate. See paragraphs 12.8/7-16 of the Standard (draft N4296)
 
oh except the Standard of course.
 
There's a good presentation by Howard Hinnant
let me find it
 
I also came across this. I need to find what leads to an implicitly deleted move/copy ctor
@AndyProwl I'll look inside
 
Funny thing about the Irish. They seem to be the only English speakers who still use 'ye', but sadly fail to use it correctly.
 
@Rerito Just explicitly delete or default them if you really care.
 
1:53 PM
@Rerito Here, take a look at this presentation
(slide 30 in particular)
 
@Puppy I'm just asking myself this as a question I just answered spawned these questions (I have not enough knowledge yet)
 
@Rerito For instance if you declare a move constructor, but not a copy constructor, the copy constructor is implicitly deleted.
 
nope, can't do it, can't read code with a video playing on screen. Music, sure, but a video just distracts me too much.
 
@AndyProwl Ok, this I've understood. Anyway thanks for the help and the material!
 
@Rerito No problem
 
1:55 PM
The slideshare is really instructive
 
Also, sometimes a defaulted constructor is defined as deleted :P
 
Guys,i'm just a fresher.Need some time to be like you.By the way thanks for helping — Ayub Îdréès 15 mins ago
 
And there I'm lost... Reading the standard ATM to get it right
 
What's a fresher?
 
A freshman?
 
1:56 PM
@Rerito Btw it's good that you want to know the rules (I don't know them all, so I should do the same), but what Puppy wrote makes sense: just declare them explicitly as deleted or defaulted and you won't have to care much about the details
 
In the question I answered, the copy constructor was declared as explicit. Dunno if it has some real purpose (or it's a pre-C++11 alternative to = delete)
 
I don't see much of a point declaring a copy constructor explicit
 
Me too. Maybe the guy was following blindly the Google Style rule (one arg ctor => explicit)
 
explicit is about conversions, but there is no "conversion" involved when copying an object
 
Declaring the copy ctor as explicit had vicious effect in the use case provided
He defined a struct A that took a class B object as a public member. class B has some one-argument constructors (declared as explicit) and he was trying to do
C some_stuff;`
A stuff = {some_stuff};`
But B::B(C) and B::B(B&) are explicit. Just removing the explicit for the former did not resolve the issue. It seems like, in that case, the course of action was:
1. Conversion, 2. Copying the converted object to A's member (not move, since the user only defined a copy ctor)
 
2:07 PM
Not sure I follow, anyway B::B(B&) is also weird
should be B(B const&)
 
user1804599
lol java
 
It was a const ref, my bad did not paste it for the sake of brevity :)
 
user1804599
why is Properties::load non-static
 
user1804599
> The input stream is in a simple line-oriented format as specified in load(Reader) and is assumed to use the ISO 8859-1 character encoding
 
user1804599
lol ISO 8859-1
 
2:09 PM
uh wat
diesel engines have air filters mounted from below the engine
 
Not necessarily.
Not even common IME.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes welp the whole existence of this thing looks weird
it's probably to make space for the turbocharger above
eh, those photos are cool
yes this is a chipped engine block
 
2:28 PM
do engines with that kind of damage still work okay?
 
@Pris depends on your definition of "okay"
 
It makes noise, alright.
> the ​example codes as doxygen).
ffmpeg libs have next to zero docs.
> The only prolem is that documentation is basically nonexistent. There is a single tutorial that shows the basics of ffmpeg and auto-generated doxygen documents.
"single tutorial" links to a 404 page.
 
2:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it makes noise anyway
 
My point is that that's the best thing you can say about it.
 
it will lose power certainly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Come on feel the noise!
 
@BartekBanachewicz With such a leak I think that'd be the least of the problems.
 

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