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14:00
What about not removing the rules link in the topic (post it on the bottom)?
Topic is for jokes not stupid links
We had a discussion about it already.
It's the thing that's shown to kicked users.
So what you're saying is that it should be insults instead of jokes
I can get behind that
One does not exclude another
The rules link should absolutely be in the room description.
Which is why it isn't.
14:04
"so the real problem here is that Haskell sucks" -- Bartek Banachewicz, 2015
Rules are here - https://loungecpp.net/the-law/newbie-hints.html
Here are the tags
Can't do that
Tags are not part of the topic, they're a separate thing
Also topic doesn't support murkdown or newlines
Well, damn you Jef Fatwood. Fix the chat already.
"so the real problem here is that Haskell sucks" -- Bartek Banachewicz, 2015 // read the rules loungecpp.net/the-law/newbie-hints.html
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I need some catgirls to bleach my eyes
god damnit milleniumbug
Yeah who would ever write comments. That would be unheard of.
@milleniumbug you mean, you had discussed it, but the agreed outcome didn't match your opinion, so you need to do it over?
14:14
@sehe No, I mean there was a discussion about it (wasn't there back then), and the outcome was that it would be a good idea to have a link, that's why it was there.
wokay
I am getting over that fact
slowly
I don't even think it works with #expect <spanish-inquisition.hh>. You can't just change random headers — clue-stick
@milleniumbug He hasn't worked here in a long time
@milleniumbug Remember who you're talking to
"The government says a crisis meeting has been called about the hostage-taking at the presidential palace in Paris."

Come on, BBC. Come on.
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe "Clue Stick" might be a nice name on SO
14:24
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They've got to be doing this on purpose.
guys
how do you manage self-development, work and relax
we don't. done
I find it hard finding willpower to work outside my work hours
@BartekBanachewicz 100% relax
200% relax
14:26
heck, I find it hard to find willpower to work even in the work hours
point being
learning stuff is hard
@BartekBanachewicz take a few weeks off - from experience. Or wait for burnout.
Learn what you need to get paid, get paid
I had a few weeks off
@BartekBanachewicz attribution and self diagnosis is even harder
@sehe hmpfh
but you certainly must experience/have been experiencing the same problems
it's not like I'm an unique snowflake when it comes to "work -> get home -> grab a bear -> play a dumb videogame" and breaking out of it
14:27
@milleniumbug mebe
if say days had 28 hours
@BartekBanachewicz I've had a burnout yes. And a relapse some years later
@BartekBanachewicz relapse, not duration.
Verb: relapse (third-person singular simple present relapses, present participle relapsing, simple past and past participle relapsed)
  1. (intransitive) To fall back again; to slide or turn back into a former state or practice.
  2. He has improved recently but keeps relapsing into states of utter confusion. to relapse into a stupor, into vice, or into barbarism; to relapse into slumber after being disturbed
  3. (intransitive, medicine, of a disease) To recur; to worsen, be aggravated.
Noun: relapse (plural relapses)
  1. The act or situation of relapsing.
  2. (medicine) An occasion when a person becomes ill again after a period of improvement
14:28
oh okay
Hi, me again, I found a way around without traits class for my ealier issue (because otherwise you have to implement a trait class for each derieved class)...I thought I would share it : stackoverflow.com/questions/6006614/…. Again, thanks for your help.
but what burnout means is that you don't have the energy
Xeo
Xeo
ooh, I like the AGDQ shirtso n TheYetee
so essentially the only way to do what I want is to work at work, then go back home and still work
Or you're getting sick just looking at it
14:29
but I don't see how I would not physically collapse after a week
that's almost like having two jobs
Then don't do that
maybe I should exercise more
@BartekBanachewicz Wouldn't work. You would waste four extra hours playing video games.
Do something fun instead
If I exercise technically I should have surplus oxygen and more appetite, means more food, means more energy to burn trough
Sometimes research and learning is fun, sometimes it's not
@BartekBanachewicz Yes. You burn through it during the exercise.
If it's not fun, just don't do it
first trying to transform sets, now "surplus oxygen"?
I could trade fat for surplus oxygen
14:31
@LightnessRacesinOrbit transforming sets is perfectly fine. Read the topic again.
@matovitch Right, that's exactly what Luc suggested to you three hours ago
@CatPlusPlus are you fat?
Slightly
@BartekBanachewicz ?
that's what happens to people who are literally full of shit
14:33
One day I'll start doing something about it
@BartekBanachewicz you rationalize too much.
@sehe that was tongue-in-cheek
I'm back lol
14:34
Gosh. All these people so happy to report they're back.
You guys are talking about everything except C++. lmao
My point is that some people are able to work and still make wonderful things
@CeceXX yes, that's what this room is about.
If it's not fun for you, then it's a crappy hobby
it's fun, but it requires effort
@CeceXX lies
14:36
@BartekBanachewicz i.e. not fun enough.
I'd say, heed the advice from the Robot. I think it comes from informed places
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I missed it :(
When do you guys apply a bounty to your questions?
@CeceXX when they make sense
14:38
But it's free, why don't you do it?
@CeceXX If they're good, people will eventually answer them.
you pay with rep
rep isn't free
I don't have any questions
snack overflow is not a good place to post
Does rep matter too much on SO?
14:39
Nov 13 '11 at 3:57, by Cat Plus Plus
Ooh, I have a question! Why does this language suck so hard?
liar
lmao
C++ sucks. Swift rocks
Everything sucks
Swift is a bad idea of taking Haskell and butchering it into existing Apple ecosystem
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14:40
¬_¬
does feeds post it?
@thecoshman You can count on me bro
not a bad idea per se, but bad considering there's an iOS toolchain for GHC
if Apple chose to support that instead... well
we would have a bright future ahead
@thecoshman lol
@sehe hah! still got a star... <checks for italics>
Xeo
Xeo
Anything Apple
bright future
14:42
What's the most requested computer language by employers nowadays?
@Xeo yes, Clang is absolutely terrible
@CeceXX English
@CeceXX English
Damn !
SUCK IT!!!
Cough cough... computer language! cough
Xeo
Xeo
14:42
@thecoshman How did you ever get a job with that requirement? :P
@BartekBanachewicz Apple Clang indeed is.
:)
@Xeo very good job
@CeceXX you probably meant "programming language"
and to that, the answer is "depends on the area of development"
Oh ya
@BartekBanachewicz not really...
yes, really
14:43
I'm Lorde ya ya ya
What about mobile area
that's like saying the answer to "what's the most popular colour" is "depends who you ask"
blue is the most popular one
@BartekBanachewicz no. Filtering does give you different results, but you can still look at the average over all areas
14:44
@CeceXX Again, it depends on what you do include in mobile area
well, sure, if you don't mind at all what you're going to write
but most people actually do
@thecoshman It's not even an average. Just compare absolute values.
even if they don't realize it
anyway my bet is on JS and PHP
well is the mobile area that broad? aren't there just apps? @Rerito
@R.MartinhoFernandes well yeah. whilst badly argued, my point still stands.
14:45
@CeceXX there are apps and there are apps, and there's wearable tech, and there's shitload of other stuff
@CeceXX Well I'd consider myself to work in 'the mobile area' and I don't even touch phones.
@sehe I did live for several months (years?) with 28-hour days.
@CeceXX Who's gonna program what runs your apps ?
@CeceXX erlang :)
@sehe I wish :'(
14:46
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's not necessarily what I meant, but that will give a few coordination head-aches
anyway I wouldn't even compare dick sizes here
@Referito me. I'm a programmer dude
And as @thecoshman said, mobile area is much wider than just phones
and simply state that language choice is hardly relevant
you have to learn at least a few languages anyway
you pick them up as you go vOv
14:47
@BartekBanachewicz you program with your dick?
lmao
@sehe it's a NSFW language
@Rerito mobile area goes to mars these days
@thecoshman Not So Free Willy?
@sehe Got a (guess what...) punchline there
14:48
@BartekBanachewicz now, that's not so simple to state in Prolog
@sehe more like Moby Dick.
people write web apps in Prolog
why aren't you guys programming? you could make money...
@BartekBanachewicz doesn't make it right
14:48
@CeceXX wait what
shhh... don't tell him
@thecoshman what's "right"
by their views, it might be right
@CeceXX I'ld like to make money, sounds great.
I mean... you are actually wasting time chatting here. You could program something and sell it huh?
@BartekBanachewicz Not you.
14:49
by my views, C++ isn't "right"
@BartekBanachewicz not wrong... (spelling or just trying to be funny?)
Phase 1 collect underpants, phase 2 ...
@thecoshman It's "write".
@thecoshman is imperative programming "wrong" ?
@CeceXX or I could just, you know, waste time here and have a job.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooooh no, you ain't fooling me!
14:50
different languages take different approaches to stuff
@thecoshman lol
it's p much impossible to defend a claim that using a language is "wrong"
Guys but who writes a programming language?
@R.MartinhoFernandes <flag reason="offesnive" />
@BartekBanachewicz Haskell
14:50
And here, people show compassion (at least to some extent)
@CeceXX Premature Dogs
@thecoshman what about it?
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@CeceXX You don't write programming languages.
@BartekBanachewicz it's wrong
I can whine about that dude that did a forced update and gave me hell to get a clean branch up again
14:51
@rightføld I could invent one... one day lol
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You design them.
@thecoshman Yep. And the fact that you stated it doesn't change jack shit. People are still going to write successful software in Haskell.
@rightføld ooh
What's haskell?
so if you're talking practical, there's hardly any reason to waste time
I guess it's a programming language that sucks
14:52
learn whatever and then transition to something that you like more
now this is slacking in style!
@CeceXX Prepare for wrath
@CeceXX It's (IMHO) one of the best languages we have in 2015, which a lot of modern languages base heavily on.
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@CeceXX Haskell is a programming language.
@rightføld ... I'd say you define them...
@BartekBanachewicz doesn't make it rigt
@CeceXX are troll language
14:53
@thecoshman doesn't make it wrong either. And you have to pick something in the end.
@thecoshman Let embrace this guy as a hero and an example to follow
user1804599
Ok I have to refactor my expression compiler to output statements.
user1804599
Interesting.
@BartekBanachewicz Reminds me of this:
Dec 2 '14 at 10:36, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@BartekBanachewicz It's also very incoherent: first Java "is really not" useful, then you give a definition of "useful" for this context, then you think the word is useless, which is a word you think is useless.
@BartekBanachewicz so why pick something like PHP?
user1804599
14:54
CoffeeScript compiles f(throw x) to f((function() { throw x; })()).
user1804599
In order to make statements into expressions.
@thecoshman because the choice of first language hardly matters in the end, if someone's determined enough
if he/she isn't determined, it doesn't matter anyway.
@BartekBanachewicz you've tried so hard...
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@BartekBanachewicz You have to pick it in the beginning :P
Xeo
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14:54
gg
@R.MartinhoFernandes "in the end of picking"
@R.MartinhoFernandes /tip-hat
@CeceXX what are you here for?
@sehe I think he doesn't have a job...
i wish google would stop listing sites that clone stackexchange data... its so annoying
user1804599
14:55
Muslims and catholics are both badlets.
@Xeo no true Catholic
@BartekBanachewicz very hard to argue with stupid
meh I have a design full of inheritance
@AndyProwl then don't implement it :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think I was being overly dramatic there. Hypothethical theoretical language supremacy means little in the world where business constraints are in place
14:57
@thecoshman awesome
@thecoshman That reminds me of a cousin that converted herself to Islam and felt the need to justify her choice. I had a hard time not to laugh
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to make Haskell or Idris better, but that means that I shouldn't bash popular languages in such a manner
@AndyProwl Kill the parents, collect the money.
@thecoshman unfortunately I came up with it and I plan to implement it. Time to confront my own suckage.
14:58
@Xeo Wow.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
Time to set up Docker... Any hint (yes I'm already RTFMing :p) ?
@BartekBanachewicz I consider Haskell more like a reference design. It shows how to do something to an complimentary level. It's focused almost exclusively on being 'functional'. It's not for people to use, though they can, but for other languages to see how to take the good parts and see where a compromise can/should be made
@thecoshman I'd agree if you added "to use on a daily basis". It's a perfect fit even nowadays for some niche scenarios
@Xeo linky?
14:59
@AndyProwl ¬_¬ in a barrel are you?

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