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17:00
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thanks
@ereOn I've not observed Dr Who to have ever had quality stories.
Figures
Bet he's watched three episodes and that's it
Jez
Jez
of all the things for the BBC to remake, dr. who was a crap decision
Jez
Jez
they should've pumped money into more Red Dwarf episodes
17:03
they were both bad choices
yeah because that would have made the BBC £308million in revenue each year
Jez
Jez
i dont give a shit about the BBC's revenue :-)
although Red Dwarf > Dr Who
Jez
Jez
in fact if they're making decisions based on revenue, that's another argument against their licence fee
they should be another commercial broadcaster
@Jez You said it was a crap decision. Since the goal is to make money to help continue funding the public service remit, clearly it wasn't a crap decision.
Jez
Jez
17:05
uh no, their public service remit is meant to be funded publically
@Jez It's the commercial arm that makes money. The licence fee isn't even nearly enough to pay for the BBC.
lol
Jez
Jez
hah!
Are you on drugs
Jez
Jez
they get billions a year
Jez
Jez
17:05
if thats not enough they need to cut back on expenses
it's about £3.7bn per year, for god knows how many TV and Radio stations, millions of employees, online services, and the World Service
Jez
Jez
as i said, cut back on expenses
they are trying to cut back on expenses because to be fair a lot of that gets wasted on overpaid presenters
Jez
Jez
yeah, and the rest
or, by all means, become commercial and stop telling me i have to pay you money
trouble is, the BBC want to have their cake and eat it
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Q: Extending struct member with another struct

KFALong story short. My understanding of structs is that the bigger it is the more time it takes to access its individual variables. If the struct has multiple members and the scope of the struct is large then chances are that some of these members will have some individual variables that the others...

This question gave me HIV
Jez
Jez
17:08
tons of public money and commercial profit
@Jez fuck ads tho
@Jez there is no "commercial profit"
Jez
Jez
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not a good enough argument to force ppl to pay money
the £1bn from commercial engagement helps make up the rest of the £5bn budget
@Jez didn't say it was
> My understanding of structs is that the bigger it is the more time it takes to access its individual variables.
I'm torn about the licence fee. Always have been.
Jez
Jez
17:08
poor BBC how do they survive on such a pittance
£5bn to run a massive media consortium is not that much
Jez
Jez
it shouldnt be a massive media consortium
Jez
Jez
because it's publicly funded.
it should be for the basics only
user784668
17:10
@MohammadAliBaydoun It's true.
Jez
Jez
i'd make the BBC into something more like PBS. sure, a bunch of people who like some BBC programmes wouldn't like it, but everyone else would benefit
and the BBC arent very good at what they do. i wanted to watch a recent Brian Cox documentary on iPlayer recently - couldnt do it because you can only "catch up" for like 2 weeks after broadcast
you call that value for money?!
pitiful
I concur.
and boss has gone
said merry christmas at least
no sign of a "thanks for all your hard work this year"
Jez
Jez
heh
pretty damning especially since the rest of us are still here hurrying through tests
wanker
Jez
Jez
17:14
but you dont have to work xmas eve?
I'm filming for Doctor Who on xmas eve
then it goes out the next day
@Jez You said it shouldn't be publicly funded.
Either it should be smaller or it should be commercial. Which is it?
Jez
Jez
either - pick one
And what exactly are "the basics"?
Jez
Jez
well, that's a problem, because i;d include unbiased news
@Jez £110/yr? That's not a lot of money and you get thousands of programmes to choose from so yes it's value.
Jez
Jez
17:16
and they seem to be incapable of that nowadays
@Fanael Not in the way he implies it.
Now you're talking about yet another distinct issue
Jez
Jez
@LightnessRacesinOrbit only if you want BBC programmes
This is the problem with the anti-BBC people. There are some really good arguments to be made but you lot always make a total hash of making them.
fortunately I do not pay a TV licence fee as I do not watch live TV, so it's fairly abstract for me
Jez
Jez
@Puppy i bet you get monthly threatograms and the odd visit
not yet but I am expecting them
I'd like to see an opt-in no-ads BBC service carry on with subscriptions, but how the fuck do you achieve that
Jez
Jez
@LightnessRacesinOrbit have the government force them
"Have the government force" people not to watch BBC TV or listen to BBC radio if they haven't opted-in?
Sounds like a great plan
Jez
Jez
17:18
that could be done through signal scrambling
it's not beyond the wit of man
right then we can simply upgrade everyone's cars to include a BBC radio signal descrambler!
cost effective
well, not everyone. opt-in people.
Final summary: you can expect the use_count to go up when you copy a shared_ptr to another shared_ptr. Not when you "copy" it to itself. Demonstration: Live On Colirusehe 18 hours ago
So funnny. Yesterday the guy acts all burnt and insists (for extended period of time) I'm just not getting the question and I'm wrong. Today he silently accepts the answer and upvotes my last comment. Guess what happened
most people wouldn't bother with that hassle and so you would have like no subscriptions
bye bye BBC
did you know that the ITV and C4 also have a public service remit?
Jez
Jez
@LightnessRacesinOrbit funnily enough you dont need a licence right now to listen to radio so i guess that's ok
@Jez if I'm going to be paying to opt-in to a BBC subscription then I care even more than now about someone listening to the BBC radio that I'm funding without them subscribing
because I will be one of a much smaller pot of contributors
BBC radio is basically free-to-air and funded by live TV viewers
Jez
Jez
17:21
orly? i thought the BBC was soo amazing and popular people were happy to pay that £120 a year
which isn't fair
@Jez What? You're the one sitting here providing plain evidence that some people wouldn't
and I never claimed otherwise
Jez
Jez
yeah, but the bbc make the argument that most people would and that's why there should be a licence fee
I am not the BBC
their argument is not automatically my argument
if most people would then why be afraid of making the fee voluntary.
Jez
Jez
of course a ton of people wouldnt
and they know it
17:23
you're still ignoring the logistics
you can't just suddenly roll out descrambling to hundreds of millions of homes and vehicles for those people you want to keep as viewers/listeners
the alternative is to keep it airing in the clear, and just hope that people will pay when they have zero incentive to
Jez
Jez
no, the BBC have been careful not to do that so it's much harder to scrap the licence fee
@Jez Probably--but given the weight of one person, a ton of people is only couple dozen (or so). :-)
@sehe His second personality took over
Expect negative feedback tomorrow from his other self
@AndyProwl Yeah. Or he actually read the fucking answer.
17:25
Worst thing, people have downvoted because he played to self righteous/entitled.
What's going on guys??
I think it might have been LRIO too
@sehe ...or he actually came to some understanding of his question (which is pretty much the same thing).
@JerryCoffin Yeah that's the mild way to put it. I did add a phrase to the answer suggesting as much
@AsteroidsWithWings The Englishmen are arguing over the merits (or lack thereof) of the BBC, and whether the merits justify the cost. People on SO are asking posting silly questions and stupid comments on intelligent answers. Pretty much the usual.
17:31
@sehe I empathize. I recall getting several downvotes to one of my answers from people who did not even bother to read the question and just read the (wrong) comments that someone posted to the answer.
Ell
Ell
Hmm I think removing my stashes will remove the WIPs
Hello
If I am correct, the <limits.h> specifies the width of the data types and it will have different values for say a 32-bit and 64-bit compiler ?
@Jez Humanly impossible.
user784668
@caps Fuck humans.
@user3144089 Yes, usually.
17:34
@user3144089 Sure
user784668
Irrelevant, all existing compiler are bigger than eight octets.
@Fanael More fun than effing anything else, for sure.
@caps You really don't need to tell us about what alternatives you've tried to give you a basis for that judgement.
user784668
@JerryCoffin I suggest you speak for yourself.
@JerryCoffin Never tried anything else. It is just common sense.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah-ha! He's Jewish! I get it.
17:39
@Fanael Feel free to suggest--but I'll continue to speak on behalf of anybody I've a mind to.
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@JerryCoffin People always complain when I do that :(
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@Puppy A few (obviously enough) complain when I do too. The difference is that I'm a god, and you're a mere genius.
oh i see
What compiler are you suing? — Alex720 Dec 6 at 22:02
all of them!
17:43
@Griwes All of them! They all claim to compile C++, but none of them conforms with any C++ standard. Obvious false advertising.
@sehe Damn. You beat me to the punch.
The definition of C guarantees that any character in the machine's standard printing character set will never be negative, so these characters will always be positive quantities in expressions. But arbitrary bit patterns stored in character variables may appear to be negative on some machines, yet positive on others. For portability, specify signed or unsigned if non character data is to be stored in char variables.
no.
^ Can somebody let me know where is this character set defined or comes from and how does it relate to compiler ?
damn I'm good.
ITT Puppy reads your mind.
17:51
I'm not buying it
@user3144089 The character set is implementation defined, so (in the mythical "conforming implementation") the implementation is required to provide such documentation.
Problem is, as hinted above, almost nothing/nobody really attempts to conform to all the requirements of the standard, so in a lot of cases such documentation is likely to be difficult to find.
18:05
let's order pizza shall we
see, I can do it too!
nothing to it
you can order pizza too?
@AndyProwl define "pizza"
@AndyProwl I said I wouldn't buy it, before you even suggested ordering it
user784668
@ereOn #define pizza
18:12
@ereOn Pizza is oven-baked flat bread generally topped with tomato sauce and cheese and other ingredients, but without ketchup and most of the stuff that the barbarian world puts on it
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lounge<Mindreaders>
the security code I had to type for the online payment contained the sequence "-pzz-"
ketchup on pizza??!?
I think they also read my mind
@LightnessRacesinOrbit A lot of people does that and enjoys it, to my greatest disgust
Or pineapple
or both actually
user784668
Ketchup on pineapple?
@AndyProwl not people I would speak to
@Fanael I have truly seen that. Ham, pineapple, and ketchup (all on top of a pizza with tomato and mozzarella of course).
People really don't understand what they are doing until you start putting ketchup on their typical dishes
Then they do feel slightly guilty, but keep enjoying it
18:25
where do these people come from?
Slovakia
user784668
Nottingham
but I've seen variations of that in Czech Republic as well
I've seen a Bulgarian guy eating spaghetti with ketchup and mayonnaise, too
But that's slightly less terrible for me because I'm not much into spaghetti
Ell
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Ketchup on pizza is nice
lol pizza police
18:27
rofl
would laugh if you got suspended for that blasphemy
I'm tempted to validate that
Ell
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Pizza snobs more like :P
Its like people that say well done steak isn't steak
I personally enjoy it most rare
pineapple on pizza is nice
Ell
Ell
But still
18:28
rare steak isn't steak
@milleniumbug careful, police is around
you have to actually fucking cook it
Hello,what use for parse html if i need to parse 10 p tags which have same class? regexp or some library?
which?
lbxml2?
18:29
no.
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Q: f.eof() Problems in c++

Costi IvanI need to display all the numbers from a txt file. int n; ifstream f("numere.txt"); while(!f.eof()) { f>>n; cout<<n<<" "; The problem is that the last number is shown twice. What's the reason ?

yawn
@9vashrotebal HTML is not XML
Puppy is getting slower. That answer even came after the question.
inorite
Oh god, I was writing an answer for that one and it closed ;~;
18:31
I should pre-emptively "no" everyone I don't recognize
then I'll have a better success rate.
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit libxml2 has an HTML parser
can i use it? or iti s too much for my task with parse 10 tags which have classes and static position all the time
no
user784668
@9vashrotebal You better listen to the @Puppy
18:36
listen for what
he just says no every time
user784668
And he's right.
yes just say no all the time with smart face
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Array values are copyable, that just doesn't copy their contents. Array values are also comparable, that just doesn't compare their contents. Why? Because an array's value is not its contents. — David Schwartz 47 secs ago
What the shit is he prattling on about
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Pointers?
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Atwood's third law of StackOverflow?
18:44
oh seem that some nerds here feel ass pain and try to solve this with get this shit out on other
no
who taught that dog to talk?
It's a stretch to describe the address of the first element of an array as its 'value' . It is often looked at in that way, especially if the array is dynamically allocated, but it's still incorrect.
@9vashrotebal Dr. No.
user784668
@MartinJames Dr. No. 1?
18:48
@Fanael There was a remake?
user784668
@MartinJames Yes.
you were cast in it
Orite.
I goto imdb....
meh pizza is cold
oh shit this film is too old for me
guys do u 90+ old?
18:52
@9vashrotebal NO comment.
damn delivery woman y u no use a thermal box or something
Okay, for the sake of my argument, let's assume one minute that C++ and PHP are similar: the world sucks.
but they do
@AndyProwl The bikes do have boxes. You live in penthouse suite with broken lifts?
18:54
@MartinJames I live at the ground floor. She came by car. The delivery was relatively fast. This just means she kept driving with an open window or something
@9vashrotebal get out
This is what happens when Puppy is allowed to talk to the newbies.
He gets them all riled up.
If you'd just acted like a decent person in the first place then none of this would have happened.
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 29 minutes.
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> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 59 minutes.
GONE
user1804599
18:55
top kek
Nice.
(removed)
cya
I feel offended by this remaining "go to kitchen" sentence: it is based on the insulting assumption that people have enough money to have an actual kitchen.
user1804599
I am a woman and I can't cook.
user784668
@ereOn Go to somebody's else kitchen. Break in, if you have to.
18:57
@Fanael Good point.
@ereOn Boop, gone.
@SecondRikudo thanks. I feel way better.
@rightføld No you're not and no you can't.
Quit pretending you're a woman, @rightfold. I don't care that it's your hatchday: you're offending real women like me.
I have half a kitchen in my office. I have a sink, m'wave, fridge and a shelf with utensils and spices. No room for a real cooker.
@MartinJames More importantly, it's extremely misleading and causes beginners (especially) lots of problems.
19:00
@LightnessRacesinOrbit the array value is the pointer. By the value of an object, it means what it evaluates to. That's why we say that the value of an array is a pointer to its first element. — ouah 33 secs ago
Oh jesus
A little back up ?
user784668
m'wave tips fedora
Ghost office: Part 2; What am I still doing here?
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I fear it's a lost cause.
thanks
@MartinJames C idiots
yeah but atm it looks like it's just me :(
so they'll think I'm just some clueless loon
user784668
19:02
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wouldn't worry about them.
bbiab showering all the C myths off
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not my problem:)
well at least upvote the fuck out of me
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Fork off tomalak
just plonk the bitch
19:05
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I tried to back you up but for some reason, people never pay attention to my arguments.
Oh, go on then, I commented something.
user784668
Clearly arrays are not pointers.
much as I truly, truly hate to upvote Lightness, he's the only one with a sane answer to that question.
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: you sure you want std::string in the third example?
user1804599
19:11
@Fanael Clearly _ isn't a pointer.
to someone who just recently joined the room, this whole conversation looks like bollocks
user1804599
buttocks
@AlexPana Why ? You have full history anyway.
@ereO
@ereOn history didn't help much. and I[
I'm too lazy to search for meaning anyway
@AlexPana We were talking about how to integrate the latest PHP core changes into the next C++ standard.
19:12
@AlexPana Conversations become much more difficult to follow when you're looking through a static history instead of seeing things as they happen.
@ereOn Now that sounds like a great idea!
@ereOn oh, that sounds like fun
@JerryCoffin Indeed ! I can't wait until we have std::unconsistentNaming_CONVENTION and operator===()
operator === sounds fun. How about operator 8====>, will it be added?
I'd prefer that over dynarray
That would be template<unsigned long Inches> operator 8===>() to account for every situation.
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19:18
long long just to be sure
user1804599
@ereOn Inches is inferred from the number of equals signs.
right, the variadic dick operator
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@rightføld I guess some people always have the need to justify things when it comes to "size".
user1804599
variadic dicklets
user1804599
Perl has spaceship and goatse operators. Perl > C++.
user1804599
lol
What does the spaceship operator do?
In fact, as someone who has never written nor read a single line of Perl in his life, I'll never be able to understand the answer, so... forget that :P
user1804599
@AndyProwl similar to strcmp
Holy shit
I can see why it's called Goatse
19:34
I wonder how much faster I'll be able to compile code if I get this: pcpartpicker.com/p/Wwm3jX
It's a bit pricey though...
isn't compilation more I/O bound than CPU bound?
Seeing as how the Skylake Xeon won't be coming out until 2016, I probably won't be building anything for a while. And I certainly won't be able to live with just an FX-8350 until then.
don't buy a GTX 750 now
i'd rather buy a Voodoo 2 at this point.
@AndyProwl It's currrently CPU-bound on my Seagate Barracuda.
19:36
Either way, the OS tends to cache it in ram.
user784668
@AndyProwl Only once per OS boot.
@ereOn You probably know more about video cards than I do. Since I haven't bought a read video card in 5 years.
I picked this one since it supports 4 monitors. But there might be a better option.
@Fanael When I build big C++ projects the CPU is not doing really much work
@AndyProwl lol, copy it into a ram drive.
Most of the time I see a 5-10% load, with spikes when it actually starts compiling
19:38
@Mysticial Well, my point is just that: if you already spend 1000$ in a CPU (and I can perfectly understand why), you might as well add the extra 100$ for a GTX 770/780
user784668
@Mysticial Don't most cards support something around it?
user784668
Hell, my CPU supports three screens.
@Fanael Most of them support 3. But this one actually advertises as supporting 4 - and confirmed in the reviews.
What about buying a lot of RAM a compiling on a RAM disk ?
@Mysticial I'm not even sure I'm allowed to do that at work
19:39
@ereOn Good point. Though I've been under the thinking that, "If I ever need a real video card, I'll just buy one them."
I've been begging my boss to buy me an SSD for 3 months. Still work in progress
SSD /GTX 780 in every computer here
by default
I don't get how people can still hesitate on buying SSDs to their employees.
Unless they really want them to lose efficiency.
Right now, at home, my normal use computer is:
- FX-8350 (stock)
- 16GB @ 1333
- 2TB Seagate Barracuda
- GTS250 + another shitty video card so I can get 4 monitors
@Mysticial Are you doing any intensive 3D rendering ?
It takes 5 min. to boot and 5 minutes to compile my stupid Pi program.
19:42
(my guess is : "no")
Has anyone ever used a GPU for massive parallel processing ?
I've heard it was quite effective for some tasks. But I wouldn't even know where to start to play with it.
@ereOn Yes, people have definitely done that.
My i7 4770K @ 4 GHz system takes about the same amount of time to compile as the FX-8350. Probably because it only has 4 integer cores while the FX-8350 has 8. Either way, I can't "switch" to it since it's a dedicated test and benchmark machine. So it needs to stay clean of all the shit I usually run.
@ereOn there is a course on Udacity for parallel computing on GPUs
user784668
19:47
@Mysticial 5 minutes to boot? lol
@ereOn nVidia's Cuda Zone would be one place to start (assuming you're using an nVidia GPU, of course--but pretty much all use for parallel computing seems to be done on nVidias).
@Fanael It's a slow hard drive and I have a lot of shit installed.
@Fanael +1. My new one takes roughly 7 seconds.
@Mysticial Misty ;~;. I missed you
And that is: booting Windows sadly.
user784668
19:48
@Mysticial So, just like me.
user784668
30 seconds to boot here.
user784668
My Pentium III machine boots faster than five minutes ffs
@Fanael inorite?
user784668
@Mysticial So, you paid for an FX-8350 and got an 80386.
@Fanael Hmm...mine takes about a minute if you're counting from hitting the power switch. About half of that is the BIOS POST and such.
19:50
@Fanael yeah
I can probably cut the boot time in half if I threw in an SSD now.
user784668
@JerryCoffin POST is ~1s on this PC
@Fanael CPU speed has only minimal effect on boot time as a general rule.
user784668
@JerryCoffin Not when we're talking about i386.
@JerryCoffin My i7 4770K takes about a minute to post since it needs to scan through all 17 hard drives.
@Fanael Yeah, I was having a problem a while back and set the BIOS to do all the tests and such. Turns out it was a power supply problem. Now that I've replaced the power supply, I should probably put the settings back where they belong.
@Fanael Yes, even on a 386.
19:53
I am preparing to face the wrath of Kuhl :(
My 386/20 took well under a minute to boot (albeit, to an MS-DOS prompt, not Windows).
user784668
@JerryCoffin Underclock your CPU to the lowest possible frequency and prove it.
@Borgleader "Star Trek 19: the wrath of Kühl"
2 mins ago, by Jerry Coffin
My 386/20 took well under a minute to boot (albeit, to an MS-DOS prompt, not Windows).
@Borgleader ...but being Dietmar, instead of "wrath", you get an utterly reasonable explanation of exactly why that's not really a duplicate, and its answers don't solve the problem at hand.

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