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@AlexM. I guess that means the number of simpsons episodes is growing faster than hard drives can keep up? :p
@melak47 That's wrong
3 mins ago, by melak47
pro tip: it's showing the price of Simpson per GB
the heck is a simpson
a company, apparently.
a company which has SSD as their code
@BartekBanachewicz Ugh, those charts.
you are a terrible person
deceiving people like that
how dare you
:D
seems 350€ will get you a 1TB SSD already
12:06
not sure how much I paid for my 128GB SSD but it was probably < $60
Hi guys, is there any book that describe internal work of C++/C or even Objective-C?. I'm interested in, how struct works, where global variables are stored, how class is internally organized and so on.
no.
I didn't read enough before buying it and it was one of the newer Kingstons :(
it has average random r/w for an SSD
the ones with the bad controllers?
but it's very slow in seq r/w
12:07
> C++/C or even Objective-C
almost as slow as my HDD
@Puppy yes
Objective/-C/C++
@AlexM. how the fuck did they pull that off
they replaced the original components with crappy cheap stuff to make more profits
@Sunrise What do you mean the internal work of C? Is it not low level enough?
12:08
@Borgleader maybe he bought an SD card adapter :D
@Jef
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@AlexM. Wuv my Samsung EVO 840 :3 110eur for 250GB
@Sun
@mel
@Xeo Samsungs are great yeah, Intels too
12:08
stahp it
@Xeo got that one in my laptop
@AlexM. you have to be careful with SSDs anyway, several manufacturers are in hot water for delivering one model to reviewers then swapping controllers for something cheaper before shipping
@Jefffrey maybe not C but C++ and Objective-C.
@Mgetz Yes; the one he bought.
@Mgetz what a dick move
@melak47 both the US FTC and the European Union are investigating to see if they mislead consumers.... and it looks like they did.
12:11
@Sunrise Any decent C++ book will teach you what a struct and a class is.
Even YT C++ tutorials do that.
Take these for example.
he doesn't want to know what they are, he wants to know how they're implemented.
Fun for the whole family.
@Puppy That's boring.
also there are absolutely no books, ever, that cover the implementation of C++ or Objective-C.
:lol:
Yeah, people tend to kill themselves before reaching that stage.
guess that just makes me lucky.
12:15
> Any fool can use a computer. Many do.
@Puppy Yes, there are.
Prolly full of outdated stuff, but it used to be fine.
didn't realize that you wanted to be some other guy's Google
you are a terrible puppy
@Mgetz I need one for my laptop too
this time I'll choose between Intel and Samsung
even if they're almost twice the price of Kingstons here
I'm grumpy.
it's a grumpy day.
12:18
Today is a great day.
I ate pizza from my hometown today
=> it's a great day
@Jefffrey I mean what the @Puppy said "he doesn't want to know what they are, he wants to know how they're implemented.". For example do you know that if you have
struct A
{ int a;
char b;
}; The size of struct will be 8 bytes on 32-bit machine. And now I'm working with Obj-C and there are many things that are not described, and it's very hard to find any information about it. So i thought maybe there is any book about it.
therefore you decided to come into a random chatroom and waste the chatter's time instead of just using Google?
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@Sunrise I'm pretty sure there's no guarantee of that struct to be 8 bytes.
Even on a 32-bit machine.
12:21
@Jefffrey It pretty much has to be.
Says who?
Don't rely on exact sizes if they are not explicitly specified in the code.
says the laws of memory.
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@Puppy Could be 16 byte :P
or 12 too, I think
right, assuming that the compiler didn't make it bigger for funsies.
I was strictly thinking in terms of smaller.
12:24
That's what she said.
the struct A must have an alignment equal to the alignment of it's most-aligned member- that's int at 4 bytes. It also must lay out the members in the order specified in the source code- that's 4byte int, 1byte char for 5 bytes of data, 3 bytes of padding to make the 4 byte alignment.
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ye
so the minimum valid size of the struct is 8 bytes.
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unless pragma-packed
valid choice on x86 since misaligned access to int won't kill you
12:25
@Xeo On a scale from no to yes, isn't that a language extension?
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@PolymorphicPotato Yes
@Jefffrey ok, it's depands on compiler realisation but in most cases it will. I used it just to illustrate what low-level things i wanted to see in some book:).
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#pragma packed for MSVC, __attribute__((packed)) for GCC & Clang, IIRC
12:26
yes, the C and C++ layout systems are dumb.
Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft
neither explicit enough nor automatic enough.
> Danube steamship leisure trip
wat
Donaudampfschifffreizeitfart
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> bauunterbeamten
that makes no sense?
12:28
@PolymorphicPotato one letter from Puppy's name :P
@Xeo "bau unter beamten"
@Mgetz What?
"Hey, that name's in German! INSERT IMMEDIATE WW2 REFERENCE"?
@Puppy bad joke... nevermind
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, right, I think I see how it's meant
@Rapptz: Seems like some people do.
12:31
@Puppy To be honest, I don't think it's too much to think of WW2 if you see German names in Poland.
It's a rather logical train of thought.
I don't see how
pretty much every country in Europe had a wartime interaction with Germany.
so I don't see what's special about Poland's.
It doesn't have to be special.
I disagree.
as it stands, it's like, "Hey guys, Germany invaded Poland in WW2".
I mean, congrats, but I already knew that, why not describe to me the colour of my hand or the temperature of my environment or something.
well, arguably, you wouldn't actually know when if I didn't mention it
That's implementation detail we don't really care about.
@Puppy That's because, once again, you're offensively ignorant and uninformed.
To the extent of making me angry, this time.
besides, there's a difference between a pointless statement and a pointless statement implying that the other guy is a Nazi.
I didn't see any such implication.
12:39
well in order to be driven out of Poland by Russia in that time period, you would probably have had to have been a Nazi invader.
what
you should read my grandparents' book and develop some knowledge
LO.. OH! Is it bash-the-Germans day? Can I get a ticket?
apparently it is.
Why is Puppy all worked up about a WW2 joke?
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@MartinJames Shall I bash you with a Bauernfrühstück?
12:41
@Puppy Yeah, no. You should read Lightness's grandparents' book.
probably because he just said that the other guy is a Nazi just for having a name written in German and from Poland.
@Xeo Only if you throw it slow enough so I can catch it.
You're now falling for what you thought you were criticising.
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/Lightness's/Lightness'/?
@Puppy He used only word "germans" and never "Nazi".
12:42
@Puppy wat
Bauernfrühstück (Farmer's breakfast) is a German country breakfast dish made from fried potatoes, eggs, onions, leeks or chives, and bacon or ham. It is similar to the somewhat simpler English bubble and squeak. The ingredients are mixed in a pan and fried as an omelette. It is usually accompanied by a tomato salad or pickles (UK: gherkins). An urban Berlin version is called "Hoppelpoppel". Similar dishes are found in other countries, in France, for example, as omelette à la paysanne (with sorrel ), in Spain as a tortilla de patatas or in Sweden as pyttipanna. == Similar dishes == Colcannon, from...
that looks more like something you'd have after breakfast in Romania
i.e. lunch
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You don't eat it just for breakfast
you romanian nazi
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Puppy trolling again
breakfast here is generally something like bread + boiled eggs + cheese and so on
12:43
@Jefffrey I would speak it /-sɨz/, so I keep the "s". (Compare with "grandparents'", which I pronounced the same as "grandparents", so no extra "s")
IshouldnotreallybashtheGermanssincetheypaymealotofmoneyandtheyshouldnotbethesubj‌​ectofridiculedespitetheridiculouscompoundwords.
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@AlexM. Also, I think Germany is usually heavier on the breakfast than lunch / dinner.
There's the proverb "Morgens wie ein Kaiser, mittags wie ein König, und abends wie ein Bettelmann"
@R.MartinhoFernandes not this again :S
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"Breakfast like an emperor, lunch like a king, and dinner like a beggar"
So the fanciest meal is breakfast, followed by lunch
for dinner, it's usually just bread + stuff to put on top of it
huh, more or less the reverse in UK and Ireland
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12:46
@thecoshman yeah
@Xeo our version goes something like "Keep the breakfast for yourself, share the lunch with your friends and give the dinner to your enemies."
which is weird because our breakfasts are pretty light
and people tend to eat a lot during lunch and dinner
Most of the Germans I know seem to prefer English-style 'fry-up' breakfasts. It's kinda wierd watching them wolf down sausages and bacon while I pick at my cold ham and cheese.
"Gold in the morning, silver at lunch, death at night."
Not sure if it means the same, but that's what Portuguese say.
I was just listening to BBC, they were talking about Ukraine, and suddenly it occurred to me that they take interviews only from the Ukrainian Government officials and not from the rebels.
@MartinJames they have more efficient arteries vOv
12:48
@Abyx Welcome to reality
@thecoshman Ah.. of course!
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, they must not be very good cooks :P
@Abyx well yes
if they took interviews from the other guys
It was a similar situation in reverse in Syria, back when they quoted every instance of the word "terrorist" in Assad's speeches. "Assad claims that the rebellion is being led by 'terrorists' in his country," as if to say that the BBC simply refused to believe him. Funny how he turned out to be right.
our people would be able to see someone else's POV on the matter
12:50
are you being racist again?
I must research Portuguese 'cafe' food before I go away. The two nearest bars are such. I guess there will be seafood.
@MartinJames Why do you pick at cold ham and cheese?
@MartinJames I wonder why everyone always says that.
Are you now ContinentalJames?
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're just a little costal vOV
12:51
When I think of traditional Portuguese food, there's no fish except for bacalhau (codfish).
Also seriously guys, only sweet meals should be allowed at breakfast.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, glad you added the full stop, I had no idea what you were saying
Actually, I know why everyone always says that.
As opposed to salted meals.
Freaking Algarve.
12:51
@Jefffrey is wrong again
:lol: again
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They're the only things I can face while sitting opposite hungry Germans with a platefull of fried gunge, (esp. if they were buying beer the night before).
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you have a massive coastal "surface area"?
@thecoshman I... had to.
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@Jefffrey wat
12:52
@MartinJames When did you move to Deutschland?
only cheese should be allowed at breakfast
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you able to not?
cheese master food
Brioches with jam, toats with butter and jam, milk and cereals, etc...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because the bars are in a fishing village?
12:53
Rice krispies and latte machiatto. Thanks.
Missing my OJ mind you
@MartinJames giggle
you are a savage if you eat salted meals at breakfast
Neraly read that as majito :P
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@Jefffrey You suck
latte mojito mmmm
if I had the power, I'd rename cows to Cheese Ingredient Producers and make them sacred worldwide
12:53
@Jefffrey bacon and pancakes is nice
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Delicious scrambled eggs with bacon
Oh, and sardines.
@AlexM. You.. you... Indian
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oooh, two 't's :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmm
@Jefffrey Let them eat brioche.
12:54
@LightnessRacesinOrbit something about cows not strictly being 'sacred' (in such country/religion)
it's really this simple: sweet breakfast, pasta at lunch, pizza at dinner
@R.MartinhoFernandes do we have to?
you need sugar in the morning
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you head back to that cocktail bar yet?
@Jefffrey s/sugar/carbs/
Not yet.
There are too many choices around.
12:56
I have a four-slice briocher in my villa kitchen, next to the microwave and kettle.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that one (might) has MudSlide
where the fuck do I put this "email sending" logic ffs
Meh.. salted cod:(
@Jefffrey in EmailManager duh
you are joking but django really uses *Manager for few things
12:59
@Borgleader I'm sure you meant "EmailManagerSingletonFactory".
like every model has a <model>Manager associated with it

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