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Xeo
9:00 AM
@CatPlusPlus nah
 
nope
 
Xeo
I like ordering online since it allows me to pay online and totally dodge the tips without weird looks from the delivery guy
 
I don't have cash
 
internet killed the pizza delivery guy
 
I don't understand people who have cash
 
Xeo
9:01 AM
@CatPlusPlus I usually don't have cash on me either
 
I only get cash for goings out and that usually goes out too
 
sbi
@thecoshman Or is it just that I have an attention span that outlasts that of the common mosquito?
 
@ThePhD packaged with a gui visualizer, AFAIR. gnuplot is quite a giveaway here /cc @CatPlusPlus
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'd rather be a tit than a dick. :)
 
Packaged by idiots, yes probably
 
9:02 AM
What amazes me is not that they say that they do laundry 'today', it is that they claim that they wear clothes for only one day but do laundry only once or twice a week. Do they have a gigantic washing machine or something? I wear my clothes for two days and I have do laundry every second day on average
 
I do laundry when I run out of clothes
I have enough for a month or so
 
@sbi ... ah ow ... no comment
 
Xeo
Ew
 
@Xeo apparently my process killer has bug. killed user process manually, so it should work again
 
Hm.. I think I found a bug with sphinx.
 
sbi
9:04 AM
@sehe No reply from me, then. :)
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked cool
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus If I kept unwashed socks laying around for a month, I'd be afraid they'd start complaining about it.
 
I asked them they don't care
 
@sbi so are you yet again going to withhold your reasoning?
 
sbi
@sehe I need to wait until MeetingC++ in December, when I'll get my copy of it. (I get it for free, though. :))
 
9:06 AM
Besides lately I'm barely going anywhere so I'm using much less socks
 
I prepare to bring 5 pairs of socks for the overnight bushwalking this weekend
 
sbi
@thecoshman I never did. I always openly said why I dislike him.
 
1 over there, 2 coming back (coz hiking shoes kill over the long distance) & 2 pairs for the night
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I dunno bout you, but humans that are not cats usually react funny to their socks becoming self-aware.
 
@sbi If I bring you the slippers and pipe, will you tell us one more time Uncle Sbi?
 
9:08 AM
I've seen worse things in jars and fridges
 
@CatPlusPlus my cat likes sleeping in the laundry hamper too
 
Xeo
Did it say "kill meeee"?
 
sbi
@thecoshman I sit here contently waiting for you to bring me a beer. Then I'll start talking.
@CatPlusPlus So did I. But jars are shut.
 
I have only one beer
 
@sbi 'tis a bit of a treck pops
 
sbi
9:09 AM
@CatPlusPlus Yes, but I'd assume the pirate to have more.
 
@sbi I might reconsider going to MeetingC++ this year :)
 
@sbi vOv I find it hard to keep a stock of booze in the cupboards, go figure
 
@thecoshman You're not trying hard enough
 
sbi
@sehe (Um. Just to make sure: He's not giving away copies for free at the conference.)
 
@seven Have you considered getting your logic module checked? — sbi 29 mins ago
(^ @sbi you did state "vocal male minority" there - did male slip your attention on re-reading?)
 
9:10 AM
@CatPlusPlus Many places in Europe don't take cards without photo ID as well. This is a real pain & so I usually have some cash on me. That, and using a chip & PIN machine to buy one beer is likely to get you beaten up in a busy bar:)
 
@MartinJames Photo ID what
 
@sbi Of course not. I'm reconsidering because I realize it being in Berlin presents an opportunity to meet people I consider long time internet friends :)
 
@CatPlusPlus I just canny do it!
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah. So. There is a vocal male minority. That is not "everyone voicing an opinion", though.
 
9:11 AM
@thecoshman It's not as funny when you do it on purpose (she said)
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, why don't you come to Berlin. I'd like to meet you.
 
@sbi Okay. I can see where people get the confusion from, though.
 
@CatPlusPlus huh?
 
uhm... is Effective C++ worth reading? Meyers is cool but we all should already know all the stuff in that book
 
@CatPlusPlus Put it this way - if I want to buy groceries on my holiday, I either have to use cash or carry my passport around.
 
9:12 AM
@sehe wait, if you meet up in life once, those people who you meet will be 'upgraded' from internet friends to real friends? Or are they still internet friends, whom you have met up in real life?
 
You go to dumb places
 
@CatPlusPlus There are dumb places, yes:)
 
@sbi Ah, that's also an option. I'm not much of a traveling person, so I always need quite explicit excuses to do the traveling. Let me think about my priorities for some months :)
 
@MartinJames I've seen a card with photo id on the card
 
sbi
"The penis, mightier than the sword"
 
9:12 AM
I'm a slow thinker.
 
heard of it though...
@sbi groan
 
@thecoshman Yeah - not sure if that is valid as ID.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Pavel is a member of the pirate party fraction in Berlin's parliament.
 
@sbi o_0 go on...
 
speaking of which, how is @CatPlusPlus coming up with unconference #2?
 
9:15 AM
@chmod711telkitty It's a long way off yet, (unless there is an unconference 1.5 I haven't heard about yet).
 
@chmod711telkitty I think my choice of word was descriptive enough for most people to get my drift. Contrary to popular belief, not all programmers think in black/white boxes
 
I only think in pink boxes
 
0.60-0.95 real friends, we get it!
 
Fuck, that's another thing. Nearest ATM is 1.2km from my villa:(
Mebbe there's one in the Eurospar, that's only 500m away.
 
and there might be many robbers hiding midway ...
 
9:18 AM
@chmod711telkitty On Lanzarote? There's nowhere to hide unless you are cactus-shaped.
 
Don't laugh that's a serious condition
 
@Abyx It's been of the sort of 80% recognition, for me, but Scott has a way to consolidate the things I know by nice exposition of steps. The 20% have been realizations that I didn't (conciously) make or realizations that there are new areas in c++1? that merit closer looks.
Also, it's very handy to check my rules of thumb with the ones he presents (e.g. all the "Pitfalls/limitations of perfect forwarding" were pretty predictable, but the mere effort of making this a concrete list of things makes me more comfortable making API design decisions in the future)
 
@CatPlusPlus Getting mugged, or being cactus-shaped? I plan on neither:)
 
@chmod711telkitty to spell it out, internet friends are not fake friends. Well, not all of them :)
@CatPlusPlus Sorry. I'll swallow that giggle
 
Yeah don't onebox that shit
 
9:21 AM
no please don't onebox
shit
 
bin it
 
yay
 
Animated GIF help!
Thanks!
 
jiffy
I don't know if I should order a salad or not
I've spent way too much money on food in the past week goddamn
 
9:23 AM
don't make you own meal much?
 
We're trying to get the freezer level down to defrost it. Now we're down to eating stuff that we should not have bought in the first place.
 
When did this month went by
 
I find that when living alone, making your meal doesn't make it cheaper sometimes
 
@chmod711telkitty Yes - seems like a lot of effort for very little.
 
it might be healthier though, not cheaper necessairly
 
9:26 AM
Friday, so fish and chips later. Unfortunately, 'fish' means fish-fingers from a box I chipped out from a freezerBerg.
 
I need to vacuum floors before they come alive
Bad Week
 
We should really invest in a proper ice-axe instead of using an old screwdriver.
 
Also the seafood I bought last weekend will be officially one week old tomorrow ... that is to assume they were very fresh to start with
 
@chmod711telkitty Sounds like Cat will not be the only one running from animated waste.
 
9:30 AM
Woofing. Now what?
 
Just between u n me, kz. Back in the uni days, when I was living alone, plenty caution were taken whenever a lid was removed from any of the cooking utensils - you never know what's underneath! >_<
some of the food were there for weeks >_<
 
Xeo
Don't ask me why I wrote that.
 
Finally got that Electorate badge, now I can downvote all the answers again.
 
Xeo
Hm, I still need 100 question votes for that
 
'Invalid read/write of size 4 valgrind' - yes, of course, it's pointers and sizeof. How can devs write complex code and not understand this clue?
 
9:36 AM
@Xeo stop voting on answers, I stopped like a year ago :P
 
Xeo
I stopped voting altogether like a year ago :P
I only have 500 question votes, is what I'm saying
 
yeah, but how many answer votes?
 
Xeo
1.8k or so
1.7k even
 
because you need 25% question votes :P
 
Xeo
I know
 
9:37 AM
so you're good as fucked
 
Xeo
what
I'm fine
 
oh o_0
yeah
I just suck at maths it seems
 
Xeo
my total is 2216, so if I cast 100 more votes on questions, I'll get the badge
 
upvote ours
 
Xeo
The problem is that there aren't very many questions that I wish to vote on
because most of them suck
 
9:38 AM
Downvotes are votes.
 
Xeo
Also, I still need to find the motivation for Legendary
 
downvote all new noobish questions
 
Xeo
I got >200 rep on 91 days
 
I wonder how many people reach a 25% ratio and then just have it plummet.
 
Xeo
59 more to go
and I'm not motivated at all to answer anything
 
@Xeo so downvote fool
@Xeo you will be Legendary
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll be one of them :P
 
Legendary Downvoter.
 
@Xeo internet points! wooo!! fame and yeah no there's none
 
Hm, I also have a similar down/vote ratio.
 
 
9:42 AM
lol, my up:down ratio is more or less 3:5
 
-3
Q: Sorting strings in a linked list

user3650432The function works quite ok but the problem comes in when I insert the same surname more than once. Please help, it's my school project. void sortList(node*head) { node*temp2; node*temp3; string tmp, tmp1, tmp2; unsigned long long tmp3; unsigned long long num; for(temp2=...

such code
 
@Xeo to fulfill the vector without insertion but with emplacement request?
 
Xeo
@sehe There's no emplacement in that sense, since it would leave uninitialised elements after construction
 
@thecoshman 3:2
You are a horrible person :c
 
Xeo
I'd need to change things a bit to allow that
 
9:46 AM
@Jefffrey so I be
 
@Jefffrey A 3:2 down/vote ratio?
For every two of your votes, three are downvotes?
That's impressive :P
 
lol
 
Xeo
lol
33 bytes and you're not done golfing?? — StandardToaster 7 hours ago
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes possibly due to deleted posts :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh, I see what you're doing :P
 
9:51 AM
 
Xeo
Man, I still suck at signing on those delivery devices.
 
-5
A: These Primes of Mine Are Always Solid Lines

sandra hallCome and have a look at some of the places you can take your escort. We know it can be a hard decision but that's why we're here to help. Go to http://www.pleasurablemoments.co.uk now!

Now this is golfing I can get behind
Woo pizza got here fast
 
@Xeo I just pretend I'm signing and scribble randomly.
Don't tell anyone.
 
Xeo
lol
Mine usually ends up with choppy, unconnected lines that don't look anything like my signature
 
Nobody checks anyway
 
9:58 AM
Unless you are signing on stuff that is not supposed to be yours.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've tried to sign properly, but those things are impossible to write on.
 
Signatures are not security
 
@Xeo what do you expect, they have like 9 pixels
@CatPlusPlus apparently they are.
 
@thecoshman I haven't even tried. My signature would never fit in such things.
You're constantly discriminated against if your signature is larger than 3cmx1cm.
 
My bank has large screens for those things
But they're mounted almost vertically
 
10:00 AM
hm this PR improving the C++ domain looks fancy
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oooh, you're one of those people
@CatPlusPlus o_0
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should sign things 'robot'
 
FWIW, on my ID card, my signature takes up only one third of the space reserved for it.
@thecoshman So don't give me that shit.
I could make it three times larger.
 
Xeo
Hm. How does something like static_vector<T, N> deal with insertion after it has reached maximum capacity?
 
It doesn't.
 
10:02 AM
throws
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes So you're just wandering into UB then?
 
Boost throws bad_alloc.
 
it throws..
 
Mine just asserts, or UB in release.
 
Xeo
That counts as "dealing" with it, for me
 
10:03 AM
I throw
 
I don't use static_vector in places where more than N elements are possible.
 
I only throw after too much alcohol
 
I use it for things like encoded characters that have known static fixed maximum sizes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes then why are you complaining about tiny signature boxes?
 
@thecoshman Because my signature doesn't fit there and it's not particularly huge, given that I could make it three times larger and still fit on my ID card.
 
10:05 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yours? Is it in Wheels?
 
Excuses
 
@Jefffrey Implementation detail in ogonek.
 
@Jefffrey It's under them
Repeatedly
You know DGD is not as bad as I thought it would be
At least atm
Fucking useless throttling
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes write smaller vOv
 
10:09 AM
I was trying to see how you distinguish between release and debug mode.
 
With a macro
There's no other way
Debug/release is a convention, not a language feature
 
Yeah, but like... is there a "standard macro" for that?
 
NDEBUG
It's standard as in assert uses it
Dunno if it's actually mentioned in the boo
 
Actually, seems I don't assert.
Should.
 
@Jefffrey It's usually exclusive-OR. One works, the other works, but never both:)
 
10:11 AM
;)
 
One is slow and the other is, too
 
7
A: _DEBUG vs NDEBUG

Adrian McCarthyI rely on NDEBUG, because it's the only one whose behavior is standardized across compilers and implementations (see documentation for the standard assert macro). The negative logic is a small readability bump, but it's a common idiom you can quickly adapt to. To rely on something like _DEBUG w...

Yup, NDEBUG
 
@MartinJames more like NAND I think. Some people use a third that sits between debug and release. I think the theory is, you don't get a build closer to what release would be, but with out waiting for all the optimizations. I don't use it myself, but I've seen it done.
 
Oh, how fun.
 
Selectively unoptimising functions is probably more useful
 
10:14 AM
::-webkit-input-placeholder, :-moz-placeholder, ::-moz-placeholder, :-ms-input-placeholder { } doesn't work since WebKit ignores the entire thing since it doesn't recognize one of the selectors. ;_;
 
Or not
 
@thecoshman I think you've just been whooshed.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have now that's for sure o_0
 
@thecoshman LLVM has opts, asserts, and debug symbols, and you can build any combination of the three.
 
10:27 AM
@Puppy I think I'm mixing compiler flags with IDE profiles :P
 
personally I found turning all three on to be most useful.
it's not 20seconds to parse a single stdlib header, but you still get most of what you need for debugging.
 
yay, all my books are on their way
 
There's no reason to ever not generate debug symbols
 
@thecoshman What did you order?
 
50 shades of grey
 
10:29 AM
@CatPlusPlus It's hideously slow and crashes my system because of how much RAM is required.
 
@CatPlusPlus Building for AVRs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :p books
I got a comic collection book, and three warhammer 30k books
 
50 shades of grey is more of a 'mummy porn' so I heard, didn't know cosh has that kind of tendency @_@
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes splitdebug and remote GDB stub?
 
I don't debug much software on that thing anyway.
@thecoshman Is Warhammer 30k a prequel to Warhammer 40k? :P
 
10:42 AM
right.
I moved from my epic "todo.txt" to Trello.
 
@CatPlusPlus 32 or 64 is more normal.
 
so for imports, I'm thinking about import mod; and import x, y, z from mod;.
might add import x as y from mod but that kinda serves the same purpose as using y := mod.x;.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Horus Heresy, it sort of is the prequel I guess.
It's set ten millennia before 40k you see
 
I answered a question instead of downvoting.

Feels strange...
 
for (std::tie(auto key, auto value) : myMap)
god
 
10:55 AM
'Static duckt yping vs CRTP'

Duct taping?
 
why didn't they think about it.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz There is nothing to think about
since that makes absolutely zero sense
 
I don't give a fuck about your sense of sense
I want a reasonable way to use the fucking STANDARD containers
god.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you have to choose a different language then
 
@BartekBanachewicz That like doesn't fit either syntax or semantics of C++ at all
 

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