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10:00 AM
Oh I can't vote to delete :(
It's been closed for less than 2 days.
 
10:12 AM
> Japanese Culture
Proposed Q&A site for experts and enthusiasts in the cultural aspects of Japan, such as arts, media, customs, and traditions.
so many new sites are spawning on the SE
 
wait until it gets outside A51.
 
Ell
10:27 AM
So how do I go abouts getting a programming job without a degree? :P
 
The same as you would do with a degree.
Duh.
 
@Ell That mean you failed your A-levels?
 
Ell
I have no experience either >.<
 
can't get experience without applying
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion Kind of. I didn't fail them, I got BBB, but I needed AAB to get into Bristol
I was 29 marks off getting AAB
 
10:29 AM
Neither did I have any experience when I started, or have a degree
 
Ell
I want to resit next year though. I only need to do 3 or 4 exams
 
you have to find a low end job, perhaps start in a support type job to start with
 
Ell
which is better than the 13 I did this year
 
10:30 AM
which is what I did
 
Ell
but in the mean time I have to get a job else my family will kick me out of the house, which is fair enough :P
 
Xeo
@Ell Just... apply somewhere, and hope they're not dicks that only look at "official" qualifications
 
Ell
I don't even know where to look for jobs o.O I guess I'll try monster.com, indeed.com, etc.
I could get a transcription job too
 
inb4 will code for food
 
10:31 AM
don't colleges do job fairs there?
 
@Ell You didn't have a backup offer?
 
^^
 
Ell
@Puppy I did. But I don't want to go there :P
Liverpool
 
well, ya really should
 
Ell
I figure I only get to go to uni once, and it doesn't really bother me if it's this year or next year
 
10:32 AM
trust me, I've been trying for programming jobs without degrees and it's not really gonna happen
 
also not only colleges
 
I've been thinking about going back to university
 
I got a job before I attended college.
 
not ideal but could be done now that CRIPPLING STOMACH PAIN is no longer an issue.
 
there's this job fair organized by some random people being held twice per year in my city
the first phase is for software dev
and the 2nd is for anything else
 
Xeo
10:38 AM
Ugh, I feel so unmotivated.
And bored.
And sleepy.
 
@Xeo I feel like that last 6 months.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. It's okay though, it's a small setback :)
 
@VáclavZeman Same here.
@VáclavZeman I just noticed your library actually has a tag on SO. That's cool.
 
Xeo
I think I just need to get out and move around a bit
 
10:43 AM
@Xeo There are a lot of things to do with loungecppdotnet!
 
you should get pets that constantly wanting to escape - you wouldn't be bored, sleepy or unmotivated, but you will be annoyed the heck out of you ... especially the smart ones
 
10:58 AM
Polymer is great.
 
Xeo
11:13 AM
So, I went out, moved around a bit, and managed to burn my palate. Fuck me.
 
Ell
Is that the roof of your mouth?
 
Xeo
ye
 
2
Q: Why did the real Captain Jack Harkness in 1941 kiss Captain Jack Harkness?

lamwaiman1988I remember Captain Jack Harkness encouraged the real Captain Jack Harkness to savor the moment before the next day (during which he would die.) Then the real Captain Jack Harkness tried to hold hands with Captain Jack Harkness, and they ended-up kissing passionately. We've seen Captain Jack Hark...

This poor individual is a little confused, I think.
 
@Xeo It would help me if my personal life did not suck. :)
Or even if it sucked, if you know what I mean...
@PolymorphicPotato Creepy!
 
"it crashes" isn't really much to go on, and we have no idea what theta, phi and gain are. Post a testcase when you want help with broken code. — Lightness Races in Orbit 13 secs ago
 
I just got this
seems legit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit totally not an obvious phishing scam... reeeeallly
 
> Yours sincerely, apple .
 
Live Life Large in the Penthouse ... this is a penthouse? I cry ...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, they tried.
It's not a terrible attempt actually
I've seen worse.
 
11:32 AM
@Rapptz you mean the ones rampant with misspellings, and other stupidity?
 
Pretty much
 
or the ones where the email address is a hotmail address
or something .ru
 
applemail.com ... err ...
is it associated with apple?
 
lol
 
@TonyTheLion they could have at least tried αpple.com
gmail would have bounced it
but hotmail might not have
 
11:38 AM
hotmail doesn't even accept + in email addresses.
 
@chmod711telkitty yes?
 
@Rapptz How so? I do use plusses.
 
@LucDanton Must have changed since I last tried.
 
11:39 AM
For entering a secondary address or some such?
 
just happens "I hate you" consists 3 words and eight letters too ...
 
((flip.).flip) runRWST "hola" (0::Int)
How convenient.
 
How unreadable.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Do you mean as a real email, or as an alias?
 
@Rapptz I use def validate_email_address(email_address): return True.
It matches all email addresses.
 
11:54 AM
@Xeo alias
my memory might be foggy though, I haven't used hotmail in a long time
 
Isn't Hotmail the same thing as outlook.com now
They support plus-aliases afair
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus yeah (on both accounts)
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah it's changed.
Hotmail, to Live, to Outlook.
 
Ell
LaTeX sucks :(
 
12:05 PM
suck it back
 
you suck
 
@PolymorphicPotato Love the "Welcome to Imgur" title.
 
> He doesn't have a girlfriend.
And never will
 
@Jefffrey meh
it requires a new controller
 
12:19 PM
@Jefffrey wait til you reach level 12
 
@StackedCrooked I'm expecting it to be a crappy level
 
12:48 PM
> C++ Program Execution Stucked
nice
 
@Ell Blasphemy!
 
opera is incapable of even loading google while I'm building this solution :\
at least chrome only hanged when playing youtube vids
maybe it's also because I'm on a dual core
and with chrome I was on a quad
 
1:10 PM
X can't run while doing Y though Z could. Oh, also, completely different machines, is that relevant?
 
@AlexM. It needs to cache shit and you're I/O-starved
 
can't it like use RAM or something
I've 5GB RAM sitting there unused
 
It caches to both
 
If it's showing you unused, it's probably already being used for caching
 
Also buffering or OS level caching doesn't mean the writes will wait forever
Bah wtb a better wiki system
 
Ell
1:17 PM
write one :3
 
@StackedCrooked: Coliru always seems to give back "broken pipe"?
 
user457812
1:36 PM
Good god I hate waking up at 6am.
 
4
Q: Using new with decltype

nwpT *t; //T is an implementation detail t = new T; //want to avoid naming T to allow for flexibility t = new decltype(*t); //error: cannot use 'new' to allocate a reference t = new std::remove_reference<decltype(*t)>::type(); //clunky This answers why *t is a T & and not a T. I can put my last l...

@nil I got up at 5:30 am this morning
 
user457812
I technically got up at 5:50AM because I don't trust my alarm clock but it's basically 6AM.
 
user457812
It is in the generally-unpleasant range of times to wake up at.
 
I.e. between 00:00 and 23:59
 
user457812
Anywhere that is not 8 hours after falling asleep and 10 hours before waking up.
 
1:46 PM
You call that sleep? I call that a very short nap
 
2:00 PM
I scratched my face
 
user457812
My cat jumped on my face in my sleep.
 
I have a face
 
I have a bookface
 
then kill it with fire
 
I so wanna say 'I'm gonna have your face booked by the police!'
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lemme C: "Let's f*ck" or "I pay cash" but better when used together ...
 
2:14 PM
can't wait for the new pipes
 
what new pipes?
 
new Internet pipes
 
Bagpipes
 
Any opinions about XWiki? I seriously loathe everything about MediaWiki right now
 
2:17 PM
we're getting nice fresh cable sometime between October and Christmas
 
Which year and which year? :v
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't know anything about anything web-related.
this year and this year.
 
2:29 PM
Is my reading of the standard incorrect ? (cf 0x499602D2 comment), I have a sudden doubt.
 
@quantdev Your reading of the standard isn't applicable. What it's saying is that given something like void f(const int), the const is ignored, so it's equivalent to void f(int). A trailing const, as in: void f() const is not a top-level const. Rather, it's saying that f is a member function that can be called even when/if the object is const (i.e., via T const *const this).
 
@JerryCoffin It specifically refers to template arguments, not function argument. And referriing to the const present in the single template parameter
 
Makes no difference (I just left out the template syntax because with the full syntax, it got too long and I'd have had to post it as two messages).
Top-level const still refers to something like const int, not something like void f() const.
 
@JerryCoffin I see thanks. deleting..
Basically the original OP template was meant to capture const member functions, I guess.
 
> /*RAM OVERFLOW*/
lol
 
2:42 PM
@TonyTheLion Ram overflow
4
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
2:59 PM
Well, I guess I need to go to work. Don't be too good while I'm gone.
 
#nomakeupselfie http://t.co/Xvqofb4kza
 
Rain and mild thunder here.
Which is nice.
 
rain here
 
@JerryCoffin I find it amusing you have to report to this chat that you are going to work everyday :p
 
Just a song before I go, a lesson to be learned.
Please vote to close this crap. It really is well earned...
http://stackoverflow.com/q/25311371/179910
 
3:07 PM
Foiled!
 
oh yeah, we totally have your back
 
Yes, you were!
 
>.>
<.<
I should've thought that one through
0
Q: C++ template class with boost signals2

user3605077I'm trying to use the boost signals and slots with C++ templates. Here is the example code: #include <iostream> #include <sstream> #include <string> #include <boost/signals2/signal.hpp> template<class T> class JBase { public: JBase(T &d) : data(d) {} virtual ~JBase() {} virtual...

 
@SamDeHaan Indeed you should have. Bye all.
 
3:12 PM
Bye @JerryCoffin.
I hope you never return!
Unless if you bring clarity about the Alba case.
 
4:44 PM
@StackedCrooked [[noreturn]]
@StackedCrooked He can throw that. No need to return.
 
@JerryCoffin I hope your return type is void!
fixed it with this
 
Ell
I always forget what the point of [[noreturn]] is
 
finally, my tile engine is done. I can see the light now.
 
@cyberspace009 sorry that's just the 11 o'clock freight train
 
@Mgetz lol
 
5:01 PM
@Ell For functions that always throw or terminate.
 
@Ell Aiding static analysis
 
Prices for anything inside the airport are so huge I'm surprised some people take them seriously
They're like, 8 times the normal price
Absurd
 
@AlexM. the prices are to be taken seriously, they're no joke!
 
typical
want to play CS:GO, but can't because as soon as my brother comes home, it's too laggy.
 
his body has huge gravity?
 
5:15 PM
The lady at check-in was nice and asked me if I want a seat next to the window
 
I was just randomly reading Memory Alpha's "A Matter of Time" article, and found this: "The character of Berlingoff Rasmussen was originally written for Star Trek fan Robin Williams, who opted out in order to play Peter Pan in the movie Hook." :(
 
Buuut, it will be dark so I won't see shit anyway :(
 
I think the lvl12 Boss is a big gerbil..
 
@Puppy QoS him to lowest priority
 
@StackedCrooked It's no laughing matter, but it's no matter if you laugh.
 
5:32 PM
Woah. Setting up nginx was easier than expected.
As well as creating and setting up the SSL certificate
 
Ell
I don't get why "slippery slope" is a fallacy
 
The only way to get a non-"OMG WTF DON'T OPEN THIS WEBSITE THE CERTIFICATE IS SELF SIGNED" certificate is by paying, right?
 
Ell
@Jefffrey iirc
 
@Jefffrey depends
you mean, the only way for random third parties who visit the site to not get the warning?
 
yes
 
5:35 PM
yeah, then that's all you can do (but it can be done pretty cheaply as long as all you need is a simple certificate for a single site)
 
Cheaply? 50$?
 
StartSSL basic certs are free for a single subdomain + root
 
@CatPlusPlus I see.
 
The stupid ripping off starts when you want multiple subdomains
Or gods forbid multiple roots
 
5:38 PM
@Ell Because slopes are not reliably slippery. Slippery Slope arguments are a way to try to say X leads to Y without PROVING that X will actually lead to Y.
 
Wildcard certs are terribly overpriced
 
Ell
@SamDeHaan you have to prove everything you argue? o.O
 
The current CA based PKI is shit basically
 
@CatPlusPlus warning if something happens to compromise your cert you will be charged to revoke it
 
@CatPlusPlus yup
 
5:40 PM
They're neither reliable nor any more trustworthy, just getting shitload of money for nothing. It's worse than domains
 
inb4 CACert
 
Just count how many CAs were compromised in the last couple of years
Browsers don't put up idiotic warning signs for that!
 
@CatPlusPlus You mean certificates for something like *.example.com?
 
Yes
@milleniumbug Beh, it's still a CA. Something more distributed, like Perspectives
 
@CatPlusPlus well, in fairness, they are a little bit more trustworthy than nothing at all.
Sometimes. On a good day
 
5:47 PM
Browse the preinstalled CA certs and tell me which ones you know and trust
No but really fuck them for this wildcard cert nonsense
Also fukken duplicity
 
Xeo
Hm, hungry
 
Even when it's set to one volume of infinite size it still produces an archive that have fragmented files and can't be just extracted
 
look at the bright side! At least it doesn't matter that the CA's are incompetent and untrustworthy, because our SSL libraries are broken and full of holes anyway
 
Everyone's incompetent!!! PARTY
 
there's no single point of failure because every single point is already failing.
and even if we trusted the certificate, and the SSL libs were safe, people would still be storing plaintext passwords in their database and have truckloads of sql injection vulnerabilities on their sites.
 
5:53 PM
Thu Aug 14 17:52:29 UTC 2014 axiom.loungecpp.net mediawiki Connection error: Unknown error ()
Thanks MediaWiki
Of course I forgot +postgres
 
@Xeo taco thursday imo
 
Xeo
Normally it's Pizza Thursday
but I think I've eaten too much pizza lately
(cue "there's no such thing as too much pizza")
 
there's definitely such thing as too much pizza
 
I had too much pizza all of last year, wound up gaining 15 pounds and brought my cholesterol up to dangerous levels.
Good news is I lost all of that weight and then some since then.
 
@OmnipotentEntity can you prove that this was caused by too much pizza? :p
@Xeo grab an unpizza?
 
5:58 PM
No, because I didn't keep comprehensive records. But considering it was a huge percentage of what I ate, and I've since changed my diet only minorly and I've lost most of that weight, I'd consider it a safe bet.
 
Xeo
@OmnipotentEntity I've lost somewhere around 40 pounds this last year
 
[ebuild R ] dev-lang/php-5.5.15 USE="postgres*"
KINDA IMPORTANT
 
@Xeo High five! I'm down 35 pounds so far since April.
 
Xeo
fuck off
2
 
Ell
@Xeo have a chinese instead
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <3
 
@Xeo It's true there. Just some times there aren't enough people to eat it.
 
You mean you aren't enough people to eat it
 
Xeo
My friend can stuff his face with pizza every day and not gain any weight
 
6:02 PM
0
Q: How to be unambiguous about a number's base's base?

Johannes Schaub - litbSay you want to note down a number to another person, and want it to be unambiguous (perhaps the other person is an alien and has more than 10 fingers or something). So if you say 12345, base 42 That's not enough because they will ask is 42 in base 42 or in base 10 What is the commonl...

please discuss!
 
@Xeo I used to be that guy. After college all of a sudden food started to stay with me. Had to change diet and habits and I've dropped it back down.
 
@Ell A friend of mine tried that once, but the Chinese guy didn't seem to appreciate it at all.
 
Every base is base 10
14
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb represent the base in base1 imo
 
dyp
@JohannesSchaub-litb So, what if they use Roman numerals
 
6:04 PM
@SamDeHaan I think it's the uni radiating the aura of stress, death and boredom that makes metabolism magically fast
I'm getting fat too :(
 
@JerryCoffin Err yeah, typo. base1
@CatPlusPlus college was all boredom for me. Stress came after.
 
Also kinda important thing to install: goddamn syslog
 
dyp
@JohannesSchaub-litb "because that base's representation only has one digit? " Huh? Base 9 has more than one digit in base 2.
 
@Xeo Lucky him. I do shit like this every day and I barely am losing weight. :( youtube.com/watch?v=JZC7dOpBOyM
 
@Xeo That's me
 
Xeo
6:10 PM
10 mins ago, by Xeo
fuck off
 
Steal his butt
 
ITT @Xeo is a bit of a wanker
 
Xeo
@OmnipotentEntity Well I can't imagine that burning much, tbh
 
Base 42 would need 42 different symbols. In base 42 it would be '10'. — mistermarko 6 mins ago
heh
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus You should just answer "base 10"
 
6:15 PM
@Xeo, I generally do it for 90 minutes. According to my heart monitor doohickey I usually burn around 1500 calories. But that's probably an overestimate.
 
Xeo
1.5k does seem like a whole lot for 90mins
Wait
1500 kcal or just calories?
 
Xeo
Yeah, that seems awfully much
 
dyp
Anyone in the mood for a language-lawyer question? Order of substitution for SFINAE..
 
Xeo
left-to-right
 
dyp
6:18 PM
yeah, lexical order, but what does that mean?
0
Q: why overload member function access tuple and recurse accumulate result fail?

fe263I want to access tuple member and accumulate result next and next. but not work and it look as access out-of-bound(invalid use of incomplete type struct std::tuple_element<0u, std::tuple<> >) #include <iostream> #include <tuple> template<typename...ARGS> struct NextTest { std::tuple<ARGS...>...

 
Xeo
@dyp Hm, interesting. Maybe ask in #llvm on irc.oftc.net
 
dyp
@Xeo I wonder why both fairly recent g++ and clang++ have problems with the default argument version.. typically this indicates it's not a bug..
 
root@axiom [08:32:09] [~mediawiki]
-> # curl -i http://local.loungecpp.net/w/Main_Page
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Woo
 
6:34 PM
gratz
 
Does anyone knows where in the Standard the notion of "top level cv-qualifier" is defined ? Cant find it
 
dyp
@quantdev I doubt there's a formal definition of "level" or "top-level". It appears several times in different contexts.
 
Ahaha I can't remember where I put the 'this site is read-only' red banner thing
Ok nvm DNS cache acting up
 
6:53 PM
@OmnipotentEntity Try about 90 pounds this year.
 
@Puppy Grats!
 
@OmnipotentEntity Not really. The primary cause was becoming horribly sick if I ate something. As you can imagine, rapid weight loss followed.
I put 30 pounds back on since I got better :P
 
I started at 240, and I'm down to 205, my goal is 180.
 
xbox live fucked up again -.-
 
think I'm about 200-210 at the moment
 
6:55 PM
sorry to hear that then
 
@quantdev It's been asked before and there isn't one. Look it up in a dictionary :)
 
@OmnipotentEntity Well, I could always stop taking my pills.
 
2
A: Where is the definition of `top-level cv-qualifiers` in the C++11 Standard?

James KanzeI only found one instance of the phrase in the standard, and that was in a non-normative note. Lacking any other definition, one must assume that the expression is interpreted as it would be normally in English; that the qualifier is at the highest level of the type declaration. Of course, we g...

 
but that would be bad.
 
I don't get it
Google's DNS server returns good IP
But my local cache keeps getting an old one from fuck knows where
 
Xeo
6:58 PM
@OmnipotentEntity How tall are you?
 
Xeo
And in proper units?
 
lol
 
180cm or so
 
Argh fucking secondary
 
Xeo
6:59 PM
@OmnipotentEntity Ah, okay. I'm 1.90, so that puts my goal a bit above yours.
 
That's pretty tall!
 

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