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Xeo
11:00 PM
I may also justgo and get a new SIM
 
@40two What made you think that, anyway? I'm not offended or anything, just curious
 
Xeo
since mine is old as fuck
 
@Xeo I got mine cropped - it worked.
 
Xeo
it's from the time when D2 still existed
 
Ell
@xeo you can just cut it with scissors if you do it carefully
 
11:01 PM
@Praetorian My Indian coworker says he doesn't like Southern Indians because they are too racist.
Man, that's still funny after all this time.
 
Xeo
@Ell yeahno
 
Ell
@fanael ahh okay. And the fan still goes?
@xeo worked fine for me :L
 
user784668
@Ell Yes because it's hot in this room.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, me, being of South Indian heritage, feel North Indians are racist :)
 
Ell
I don't know why they went a size smaller with sims
 
user784668
11:03 PM
@Ell Temp is 32°C, CPU temp is 36°C.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But seriously, many Indians tend to be more racist toward one another than a lot of others are toward Indians
 
Ell
I can't see any real benefit for the extra tiny area you gain
 
@Fanael If I spin up 8 CPU threads, I can clear all the ash, pizza-crumbs and choc-ice wrappers from my desk.
 
because they stamp out billions of them.
you don't need a large area gain per SIM to save money when stamping them out by the billion.
 
11:04 PM
@Praetorian Yeah, that's why that statement is so funny. The irony was completely lost on the speaker.
 
I'm going to chill out the conversation, Indian food is good though... :)
 
user784668
I need AC.
 
@40two Oh thanks. I'm starving and I have no curry in:(
 
user784668
Somebody buy me 20 Seasonic PSUs.
 
Xeo
Hm, I should probably get this protection contract thingy for me phone
 
11:05 PM
@StackedCrooked Berlin will be prettier. Just wait till it's finished.
 
Xeo
it's 30 bucks more, for 2 years
 
That said, Berlin will probably be finished before the airport is.
 
spicy spicy spicy
 
Ell
@puppy good point
I love curry
 
11:05 PM
@StackedCrooked Looks like it's about to fall down.
 
user784668
@MartinJames Who do you think will finish second in the Prem?
 
Ell
My dad brought me back some home made Indian curry and it was delicious
 
a nice glass and steel skyscraper is way nicer than those old bricks
 
user784668
Because Stoke will obviously win.
 
@Puppy it's already on the ground
I threw 32 candies on the ground.
 
11:06 PM
anyway I'm off to bed
gnight
 
Ell
@fanael woo stoke!
 
@40two Gonna make do with pepperoni pizza. I have extra pepperoni, birds-eye chillies and habanero tabasco sauce. Should be hot enough.
 
@Puppy Don't the SIMs still ship as full-size with detachable bits anyway?
 
@Puppy lol
 
Ell
I don't follow football. Was that a sarcastic comment by any chance though? :P
 
11:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes not anymore
 
@Fanael Stoke will be in top half.
 
user784668
@Ell Yes. They're top half at best.
 
@MartinJames I'm jealous, I only have feta cheese tomatoes and olives.
 
user784668
@MartinJames You're not a true fan, then.
 
@Fanael ..now that the cannibal can no longer play for Liverpool.
 
user784668
11:09 PM
Suarez vs Pepe though. Glorious.
 
@Praetorian I don't know I though this guy was you maybe the same ending in your names or something... Anyway it's a good article.
 
@40two No dude, not even close. First letter of the last name :)
 
@Fanael I'm a fan, but not a supporter. If I buy a season ticket, it would be wasted 'cos urgent work on Saturday.
 
@40two Anyway, he doesn't seem to understand UDLs very well. I think he thinks that UDLs must begin with an underscore, or it's a compiler error. And that s from string is an exception to that rule
 
user784668
11:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh come on, I'm the one who makes lame your mom jokes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You have a script that does that edit so fast?
 
@Praetorian Anyway maybe these are the first signs of alchaimer. I hope you weren't offended
 
@Praetorian It kinda is, though.
Compilers are too lenient because they're too afraid of requiring magic in the standard library. (Which makes no sense at all and that's why we cannot have nice things and fuck 'em)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I meant it's not enforced by the compiler
 
user784668
@MartinJames You could give it to me. I live only ~1000 miles away from Stoke.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Time to get started on Hell++?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I heard the committee is very afraid of magic
 
@Fanael If there are Ryanair direct flights, the fare would be less than the beer money.
 
@Rapptz It's also dumb, but has no bearing on how the implementations do things.
 
@40two I wasn't at all
 
11:14 PM
Sure, it's nice to be able to do almost everything that the standard library does. The price to pay is not getting all the neat stuff you could get from it, like say, no namespace pollution from std headers.
 
user784668
@MartinJames Is beer in UK that costly?
 
Having that magic in the standard library doesn't mean it will never be available to user code.
 
Mind you, EMA, BHX and MAN are all ~45 min from the Brit, so still expensive:(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes How would you go about it if you had to do it your way? Pragmatically?
 
Xeo
@Puppy somebody complaining about the high SAR rating for the 630
on the amazon review page
 
11:17 PM
@Fanael On average, about 3.5€ for a pint.
 
    #pragma I'm the stdlib, bitch
    std::string operator""s(char const* s, size_t n) { return std::string(s, n); } // fine
    #pragma Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

    int operator""let_me_try_without_underscore_as_a_user(...) {...} // error
This particular thing is not even too complicated.
@LucDanton If there's a cheap way of benefiting the user with some magic, use it.
 
Current implementations use attributes but not pragmas for functions though, no? So maybe that’s simply not in the front-ends.
 
You could provide a compiler builtin that removes stuff from scope, for example. That would let you write stdlib without exposing anything besides what is required.
__unusing
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes The next version of boost would be littered with #pragma I'm the stdlib, bitch.
 
11:20 PM
Boost is already littered with compiler intrinsics.
So not much change there
 
user784668
I know.
 
I don’t think that would be very Boosty. Underhanded in the implementation, fair in the API.
 
@MartinJames I don't even know what that is.
 
@StackedCrooked Dual welding.
 
user784668
11:21 PM
Just saying that this sort of magic could potentially help more than just the standard library.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m confused, when is it needed to remove things from scope? I may have joined this conversation midway.
 
@LucDanton That'd work, too. I just threw up pragma because it's syntax that is already specified.
 
Since C++ lives its renaissance, it's natural that the committee despises magic. Remember during renaissance sorcery was punishable by burning to the stick
 
@LucDanton When you're in a stdlib header, #included some other header for reasons, but the names in that header are not required to be exposed to the user.
So you #include it, do your stuff, unuse the names. Probably a bit tedious and error-prone, but it's already better than simply flat-out name pollution.
 
That seems crazy.
 
11:24 PM
Btw, recent experience tells me that libc++ is not strictly the strictest when it comes to that.
@LucDanton Why?
 
python solves this issue differently
 
It's like modules, except implemented poorly in a C++-like fashion
3
 
import os as os_.
 
What Cat said.
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, but it's cheap and could have been there for years.
 
user784668
11:25 PM
Modules would be cheap if implemented from the start too.
 
@Rapptz If you do things like that you're terrible
 
@Fanael This is cheap even not from the start.
 
@CatPlusPlus Guess the entire python stdlib is terrible.
 
user784668
Cheap?
 
To implement.
 
user784668
11:25 PM
Clang has experimental modules already, nothing has your proposed hacks.
 
@Fanael It would stop all the "Why does for_each work without #include <algorithm>?" questions.
 
Go look at any of the files under the Lib directory. They all do it.
 
user784668
In the real world, modules are cheaper.
 
Yeah, right.
That's why it took forever to have experimental modules.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes E.g. you want lib maintainers, every time they edit a header, to visit every dependency to unuse (or un-unuse) whatever they edited? Even if it’s just the not _Reserved_name stuff?
 
11:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's not really pollution if it stays contained within the std namespace, is it?
 
48 secs ago, by Praetorian
@Fanael It would stop all the "Why does for_each work without #include <algorithm>?" questions.
 
Ah.
I have that problem too.
When switching compilers.
 
user784668
@StackedCrooked In most implementations #include <iostream> pollutes the global NS with stuff from <stdio.h>.
 
Eh, that was meant for the robot. stupid scrolling screen
 
@LucDanton I don't know. I want them to make use of more power than what I have available as a user.
 
11:28 PM
@StackedCrooked Obvious cure: never switch compilers. Or just have one giant header for the whole library.
 
Lousy standard library requires manual labour of including the right headers.
 
The user doesn’t have _Reserved_names_with_illegible_case available :D
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes They already have: they can and do make some assumptions about implementation-defined, unspecified and undefined behavior.
 
Yes, but that's not what I meant.
 
@JerryCoffin I've worked with someone who did the latter. Included every single standard C header he could think of in every file
 
user784668
11:30 PM
I'm going to do that in C++. Everything needs <valarray>, after all.
 
@LucDanton Though you could make it a scope thing with opt-in instead of opt-out, if you want.
 
typeid only works if you have typeinfo included. Does that count as magic?
 
no
I think that counts as annoying
just like auto x = { 1, 2 }; doesn't compile if you don't have <initializer_list>.
 
user784668
Overwriting with zeros is good enough to securely wipe modern HDDs, right?
 
Throw them into an interdimensional portal.
 
11:31 PM
You have to smack them with a hammer a couple times
 
@Rapptz Drilling a hole is quick and effective. (Or so I heard.)
 
@Rapptz I agree, that rule is just silly. If you want to automagically deduce initializer_list, then automagically include the damn header too
 
What meaning of ‘securely’?
 
user784668
@Rapptz Can't, the thing is supposed to be still working.
 
Overwriting with random data should be more effective.
 
user784668
11:32 PM
@Rapptz My usual route is drilling several holes.
 
I keep all my HDDs
:v
 
Stop recording embarrassing homemade porn and you won't need to wipe HDDs anymore!
 
user784668
I'm not Tony.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Needs two level: ‘re-export this’ and ‘use this locally for the header, but don’t expose’. And then you’re working at the file level, when the Standardese deal with big-ball-of-text TUs. Ergo, ad-hoc and not quite modules.
 
@LucDanton You can make it "pretend this never existed after the closing pragma or whatever thingy".
It needs not know about files.
 
11:36 PM
Wow, it’s dumb enough to work.
Good luck matching those pairs though.
 
@Rapptz Dunno, I don't poke in the internals
It is dumb thing to do
 
Gee, it's not really that difficult. The standard tells you what names are in what headers. You just need to tag those with something.
 
I mean implementing the thing.
 
user784668
@LucDanton Why would it be any harder than matching #pragma push warning options because I need to change them temporarily and #pragma pop warning options?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes My homemade porn is not embarrassing.
 
11:40 PM
@MartinJames Merely because you have no shame.
 
@StackedCrooked That's a myth
 
Ok then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anne has no shame, I'm merely ratted while the camera is on :)
 
Apparently I independently invented a myth.
 
user784668
Anne?
 
11:41 PM
@StackedCrooked What?
 
@Fanael My wife.
 
@Fanael The other protagonist in his homemade porn.
 
Ell
I do homemade porn sometimes
Wait does it have to be published to count as porn?
 
user784668
@Ell A vid of you masturbating doesn't count.
 
@Ell We give Bailey a free show. He's always interested unless there is food about.
 
11:44 PM
TMI
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. We have one film where...
 
@Fanael I was juggling ideas in my head. For one the warnings options are managing one global state. Not sure if that’s a good fit for e.g. local imports with no re-exports.
 
Anyway, dogs are really social animals and tend to get in the way sometimes...
Mebbe I should goto bed, (and sleep).
 
@MartinJames ...
@MartinJames ...
 
Woot. I have a successfully running CEPH cluster with Rados S3 gateway running now. I hope my boss still is interested in this tomorrow.
 
11:47 PM
Pizza, sleep. I may have had a few beers.
 
user784668
@LightnessRacesinOrbit …
 
yesterday, by sehe
Also, rescued my boss from a Vim session about an hour ago
^ I hope my boss didn't lose interest in CEPH since then
 
@MartinJames you had 5
 
@StackedCrooked [check change in pocket] YOU'RE RIGHT! Five pints of Doom Bar.
 
Of course.
Actually I'm just lucky. Yay :)
 
user784668
11:55 PM
@MartinJames But goto is considered harmful.
 
@StackedCrooked I thought you had maybe some sort of complex, heuristic SQL that analysed my typos in the SO database and suggested my beer intake, (no, not really:).
 

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