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7:00 PM
@SamDeHaan I have some children, but (despite the opinions of some relatives) none of them is named Jerry.
 
I was more referring to future adventures in cloning, but I suppose the standard biological process could be used as well.
 
@SamDeHaan Not only time-tested, but parts of it are actually quite enjoyable.
 
sbi
@sehe Evenin'.
@thecoshman Are you actually referring to to Stollen or is this just your incredible typing?
 
user1804599
7:17 PM
@NASA since there is NO intelligent life on earth, it is a good idea to search for it somewhere else.
 
Somewhere else is the only place left to search no?
 
@rightfold You are a snowflake, yes you are. You are my favourite snowflake.
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wouldn't go so far and call this a "conversation".
 
fail
 
sbi
Ooops. Sheepish grin.
@Code-Apprentice And what was your nick when I was around? Because I can't remember you.
 
user3010322
7:28 PM
@sbi Code-Guru before I think. Always entered the room with "Hello, Cruel World!" or some variant.
 
user3010322
I think it was something different before that too, so.
 
sbi
@ThePhD Ah, I remember that name. Why the regression?
 
user3010322
C++ makes everyone feel like a child.
 
Most people think they are a guru before they learn that they are an apprentice (at best). Not many of them are honest about it though.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Why are you asking?
 
7:32 PM
I was born a guru, obviously
 
sbi
Among puppies, you're a guru.
 
@sbi hehe
 
oh hey ape, there's something I wanted to ask you
 
@sbi among gurus, he's a puppy?
 
@sbi Curiousity
 
sbi
7:33 PM
Ok, I'll be off then... :)
 
I wanted to know how you are?
 
did you try producing object files from a newer compiler with the older library and linker that still target your obscure platform?
 
sbi
@Puppy Nope.
 
it feels to me like if the object file format and ISA are the same, the linker should accept object files from any compiler.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Being a feline, you should be careful about curiosity.
 
7:34 PM
hell, ld accepts object files made in Wide.
 
@sbi :)
 
Hey, @sbi. How ya doin'?
 
sorry, I've had that thought bouncing around for a little while.
try it sometime
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes A bit stressed. I am working a lot. I need to move again. And all the other things that make up RL.
 
You mean move back to your usual place after the renovation?
 
7:37 PM
@sbi This too shall pass :)
 
sbi
@Puppy We use GCC4.1.2 (IIRC) despite the fact that GCC2.95 is the correct compiler for the platform we use. That is because the vendor hacked 4.1.2 to play with the stuff compiled using 2.95. To do that, they introduced all kinds of hacks into the compiler and some post-build steps adding or removing leading underscores to/from symbols... The last thing I want to do is fiddle with that...
 
ah, I didn't realize that the correct compiler was so far back.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked TBH, I have no idea what that phrase stands for. But here's a funny video for it.
 
@sbi all material conditions, positive or negative, are temporary
 
7:39 PM
I got that from Wikipedia btw.
@sbi but your video is cooler
 
@sbi what ancient hell do you inhabit?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Indeed. Current plan is next weekend. However. I was in my apartment yesterday and it seems they would have to speedup their work considerably for this to happen. However, if they fail, I'll be away until the mid of August, blocking the temporary apartment they say they have already assigned to some other party...
@Mgetz VxWorks 5.5. I think that's from 1996. I am older, though.
 
@sbi oh my... you have my condolences
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Ah, thanks. You are right with that, of course. However, from how my life has been the last few years I project that it will only pass to make room for some new annoyances.
 
insert racist joke about German efficiency
 
7:43 PM
@sbi at least you get some variation in your annoyances :)
 
sbi
@Mgetz Yes, the compiler is old. It's a great company, though, and very nice work.
 
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Q: Using std::tuple correctly?

DTSCodeI recently learned how to use std::tuple (I had never needed it before then), and was curious as to when it is the proper time to use it over a container? I only ask because std::tuple doesnt feel like a container, since it requires things such as std::get and std::make_tuple.

 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Ach, actually it's just the same old shit wrapped in newer clothes.
 
asked 4 mins ago, answered 8 mins ago
oh, it's fixed itself now
 
Hey fellas
Have you guys heard of Ohloh.net?
 
7:44 PM
Yes
 
rings a super vague bell
 
It's, like, a totally awesome *cough * OSS social networking site.
 
sbi
@rubenvb What do they pay you to spam us?
 
how coughsome would you say it is?
 
@sbi lol nothing. just wondering.
 
7:46 PM
@sbi no no no, my typing skills are just fine, it's my spelling skills that are terrible. And stollen is amazingly delicious! WANT!
 
@sbi £10,000 a minute. I dunno why that Nigerian prince guy is so anxious to gain word-of-mouth advertising, though.
 
There was a guy that emailed the MinGW-w64 list to ask for votes for MinGW-w64 because he thought the project could use even more swag.
 
dayum today was a bad day.
I ate way too much chocolate, and played too many games.
 
That's a bad day?
 
Sounds like a nerd chick.
 
7:47 PM
 
(no offense intended to any nerd chicks lurking here)
 
fuck you you feminist sexist fascist communist
 
sbi
And you want to go camping, @R.Martinho? Have you already decided where?
Oh damn, my module crashed the machine so badly, I had to reboot it from USB and remove it by hand. :(
 
2 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Sachsenhausen ("Saxon's Houses", ) or Sachsenhausen-Oranienburg was a Nazi concentration camp in Oranienburg, Germany, used primarily for political prisoners from 1936 to the end of the Third Reich in May 1945. After World War II, when Oranienburg was in the Soviet Occupation Zone, the structure was used as an NKVD special camp until 1950 (See NKVD special camp Nr. 7). The remaining buildings and grounds are now open to the public as a museum. Sachsenhausen under the NSDAP The camp was established in 1936. It was located north of Berlin, which gave it a primary position among the German...
 
sbi
@Jefffrey There's a comma missing in that sentence.
 
7:50 PM
@sbi I just decided to do so today. I took three weeks off; two I'll spend in Portugal, and the third one I decided today that would be well spent camping.
 
sbi
@SamDeHaan I assumed this is not where he wanted to go.
 
I've set uTorrent to use 512MB cache and it's still writing to disk every 3 seconds
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Camping. Good. And? I mean, you don't plan to spent a week in the tent, do you?
 
Still looking.
 
@CatPlusPlus I should be doing useful things and not wasting my hideously limited income on getting fatter.
 
7:51 PM
Where is the "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH THE DISK UNTIL YOU'VE DOWNLOADED 500MB OF DATA" button
Actually it should be higher
But at least something
 
> When I was six my friend and I stood facing each other, arguing about which hand was your left, and which was your right. It took us about five minutes to realize that, when standing opposite someone, your left side is their right -- reddit
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes decent camping here
 
I don't need an SSD, I need smarter software
 
@JohanLarsson Not going to Sweden.
 
How about not using uTorrent?
 
7:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I keep trying to find time to take a week and go camping here. Might be a bit of a trip for you, though.
 
What's the alternative
 
@SamDeHaan Can't cycle across the Bering Strait.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes have you tried?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, you want to cycle?
@SamDeHaan The last time you could, bicycles weren't invented yet.
 
@sbi I'll bring my bicycle, but don't plan to go too far off.
I already did the cycling thing
Hey, did you miss that?
 
sbi
7:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Anything north of Berlin should be a nice area to be outside. Lots of lakes of all sizes, and but a few small hills.
Have you considered renting a kayak or canoe?
 
I haven't considered much yet. Just decided to do it a few hours ago.
 
@CatPlusPlus oh, I need to check if transmission has a similar thing... though the pi wouldn't have much room in ram for caching :P
 
@rubenvb So, any alternatives that actually can cache to RAM to user-set size?
 
¬_¬ I think my pi's hdd has died
 
May 31 at 9:02, by sbi
You should lock the bike, rent a kayak, and explore the area on water. It's wonderful there!
 
sbi
7:58 PM
@thecoshman Make a RAM disk. Point it there. :)
 
Ha, now I remember.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd say qtorrent, but have no idea if it actually works as advertised...
 
RAM disk is not a solution
 
How about an older version of µtorrent?
 
What's the difference
 
7:59 PM
The 3.X version is crap.
 
Cache management was the same in 2 afair also I'm so not going to dig through the internet to find old, unsupported shit
 
> There were only two interpretations of the word 'right', and she took the one that was left.
 
Is there a word for deteriorating like winamp?
 
Yes. These days it's called "updated"
 
I wonder too, there seem to be a lot of things that undergo that process.
Luckily, I always seem to find alternatives.
 
8:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you want to do that, check out this place. It's a nice area (to cycle, too), they are very friendly people, you can rent a boat there if you want, they have a small campground, and if the weather worsens you can rent a room instead.
I like this picture.
 
@sbi I passed through there!
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you stay on their ground?
 
@rubenvb There were forks, lots of forks.
 
The Müritz was nice.
 
8:04 PM
@CaptainGiraffe of what? Winamp? That was never open source, was it?
 
@sbi Nah.
Just stopped by Wesenberg on the way to Neustrelitz.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually I prefer smaller lakes, but, yes, it is nice.
 
@rubenvb The source was shared behind the scenes. The FOSS terminology wasn't in place at that time
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes The fisher in Wesenberg sells great freshly smoked trout.
But the best is that place I linked to. I was there first ten years ago, when they were very small. I came back last year, and found they have grown considerably, but they are still incredibly friendly and helpful.
 
@CaptainGiraffe uh, what? FOSS existed long before Winamp...
 
8:08 PM
@CaptainGiraffe "shared behind the scenes" is almost exactly what FOSS isn't
 
sbi
Well, I guess it's really time for me to go home. I won't fix that crash tonight, so I'd better be in bed before midnight, lest I again sleep for too long tomorrow.
See you!
 
I don't remember a single fork of Winamp.
 
That's because you can't fork commercial closed-source applications.
 
There were clones, but that's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike forks.
 
Winamp was never good
 
8:09 PM
Winamp was good when the alternative was WMP 7
Or 6. That horrible thing that crashed your computer at the time.
The one after the now-cloned-as-WMP Classic.
 
foobar2k was always good.
at least its name was.
 
:S I might have overheated that HDD hooked to my pi...
 
@Abyx I always find it too minimalistic, but it always does what I need from it, so, I'm undecided on that one :-p
 
HDDs totally have overheat protection right? just need to let it cool down right?
 
@thecoshman uhm, that's not how physics works...
Too hot == lost data or at least deteriorated HDD.
As in, it might go broke a lot quicker.
 
8:12 PM
ah now, that definitely have sensors and stop themselves when they start getting toasty
 
@jalf It was made available to me, by one developer. That developer did not in any way include a non sharing clause.
 
That doesn't make it shareable.
Just FYI.
 
Copyright is Copyright is Copyright.
Now thàt predates FOSS.
 
and copyright is implied, not asking for it explicitly does not equal not having it
 
It's like that guy who wouldn't shut up about his "open source" fork of some Activision game that leaked
 
8:17 PM
Why does mathematics.SE have such a nice comment formatting for formulas and we don't have the same for code blocks?
 
This was more along the lines of -Hey what do you think of this?
back in 1997 maybe 96 or even 99.
 
@CatPlusPlus "Someone else took it!"
 
@Jefffrey "the same for code blocks"? You mean with line numbers and choice of syntax highlighting?
 
someone messaged me on careers for a senior C++ dev position lol
also hi
 
8:19 PM
I mean with

if (x) {
y;
}
 
Maintenance job
 
actually working
 
@Rapptz why's that a lol?
 
COMMENTS ARE NOISE BLUH BLUH
 
@Jefffrey Well that's just markdown being an ass in chat. Haven't you heard?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't think he considers himself a senior.
 
8:20 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've never worked a dev job before in my life :v
 
@rubenvb Yeah, because on SO they are so much better...
 
@CaptainGiraffe Good for you? I am not saying Winamp developers are evil, or what whatever they did with their source code was a Bad Thing(tm). I'm just pointing out that pretty much the entire point in FOSS is that source code is not "shared behind the scenes"
 
I've been contacted for a senior PHP dev job once or twice. I'm convinced they just send these emails at random.
 
@Jefffrey well, in comments, no. But that would only lead to bad comments IMHO.
 
non sequitur
 
8:21 PM
I don't speak latin, fool.
2
:-P
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Take it!
 
user3010322
And troll the hell out of them.
 
anyways, bye chumps
 
user3010322
By chunks.
 
@Rapptz oh. so what do you do?
 
8:27 PM
I'm a biomedical scientist and I work in cancer research.
 
user3010322
Damn, he fixed it.
 
user3010322
Curses.
 
@ThePhD I don't know what you're talking about :v
 
well, the HDD feels cool again, and it seems to power up...
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Cheater. :c
 
8:28 PM
:>
 
@ThePhD cmon, even you know Curses needs the .h extension.
 
@ThePhD Rapptz fixed cancer?
That was a severe case of shifted fingers.
 
user3010322
He did.
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
Just kidding I love you. ♥
 
8:31 PM
Wow.
Talk about rude.
 
user3010322
Not rude.
 
what was rude?
 
user3010322
Nothing!
 
Fuck you <--- rude.
 
He said
I was the cancer in his life
 
user3010322
8:36 PM
Lies and slander.
 
So rude
 
@TonyTheLion Tony don't hurt me; don't hut me no more.
 
I won't hut you :P
@ThePhD I'm afraid he isn't lying.
 
user3010322
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
there you go
pics and it happened
 
8:39 PM
I don't give a flying fuck ❦
 
lol
> ❦
what is that?
 
I love that Unicode symbols are only readable at this level of zoom:
 
I'm just impressed Chrome can render it
 
thanks Cat
 
8:41 PM
Actually I think I'm gonna enlarge my font
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion Clearly 'shopped.
 
user3010322
Don't listen to the lies @Rapptz!
 
Rapptz is an owner.
He can just see the lies.
 
Good point
Why do I bother?
sigh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't have to be owner to see history, owner can see deleted things
 
8:47 PM
grumble grumble unconference decided I should be an owner... I think... grumble grumble
 
you can be an owner
 
Where's your mandatory sacrifice to the gods of alcohol??
 
@CatPlusPlus ... you could have come
 
#room-tags: display or not
 
Who dares to make puppy owner again?
 
8:48 PM
I'd take it into my own hands, but last time I took owner things into my own hands, I got owned
By a mod, no less
 
No I couldn't, I haven't had the money
Or time
 
@TonyTheLion different situation though :S
 
user3010322
If I wanted to donate to coliru or lightness or Cat,
 
excuses :P
 
user3010322
8:48 PM
I'd have to use Paypal, no?
 
user3010322
Wouldn't they shave off a chunk off the cash?
 
Well, no, I figured out SWIFT
 
user3010322
For a fee or whatever.
 
@TonyTheLion ownerise me baby!
I was my name to be all drunk
 
8:49 PM
Server fund is okay right now
 
user3010322
I've never made a Paypal account. I should totally start.
 
Eh, I don't think we're playing with tags anymore, so who cares about displaying them
 
I'd leave them
 
Toggle favourite star, also useless
Sound settings and 'all rooms', useless
 
o_0 you just generally grumbling about chat?
 
8:51 PM
@thecoshman you were wat
 
I'm revising my CSS
 
ooh right right
 
I want larger font and less clutter
 
There you go, fuck you all. :)
 
user3010322
8:53 PM
His name has been sufficiently alcohol-ified.
 
You suck
 
user3010322
Power-mad... that was fast.
 
You can't even spell fake audit message correctly
Worst joke ever
 
vOv
 
user3010322
8:53 PM
Huehuehue.
 
Why doesn't searchbox float to the right of the room name argh
 
predictable sure, but unavoidable
 
Oh right, that's because there's a fucking .clear-both div there for whatever reason
 
ok, this isnt fun anymore, thanks and bye dudes.
 
8:56 PM
> listof
sounds like a Java operator
 
Also it bothers me that starboard isn't aligned
Stupid star counts
 
@CatPlusPlus to what?
 
to his sight
 
Shit.
Destroyed the toggle button I was trying to salvage.
 
2 days ago, by Cat Plus Plus
And ahaha no I don't have OCD
 
8:59 PM
It's just ugly
 

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