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user1804599
8:00 PM
And passing operator@ around would create a polymorphic lambda that forwards all arguments.
 
Is $ used at all in C++?
 
@StackedCrooked It's not my code. See this.
 
user1804599
Implementation-defined.
 
user1804599
clang supports it as part of identifiers, but the standard doesn’t mandate it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel CHECK((p == nullptr)) will fix it
 
user1804599
8:02 PM
I think CHECK should have been a variadic macro that concatenates all arguments prior to continuing.
 
user3010322
I wonder if nonius is on Coliru...
 
user1804599
Then you could say CHECK(foo<T, U>()).
 
sbi
@sehe Lo!
 
@EtiennedeMartel using std::operator<<; might fix it.
 
@rightfold If this is catch, it breaks down the expression and for pretty printing uses operator<< in both the lhs and rhs.
 
8:05 PM
I'm not 100% confident though.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz But CHECK(foo<T, U>()) fails because CHECK expects one argument, not two.
 
I think CHECK works for both binary and unary expressions
just like REQUIRES
 
user1804599
It’s about the comma.
 
user1804599
The macro arguments are foo<T and U>().
 
sbi
@Abyx AFAIK, the first-ever programmers were women.
 
8:07 PM
@rightfold Yeah I know
 
sbi
@Jefffrey I was talking to Abyx.
 
user1804599
Indeed, and Rapptz was talking to me.
 
That's why the common work around is to wrap it in parentheses, e.g. github.com/Rapptz/Gears/blob/master/tests/meta.cpp#L28
This is why macros are bad for test suites IMO
 
sbi
@Jefffrey I was actually talking about the 1950s or so.
 
8:09 PM
@Mr.kbok Ok, thanks.
 
sbi
@rightfold And I was talking to Jefffrey.
 
@Rapptz Or that's why those macros should be variadic or whatever the name is.
 
@Jefffrey Ada Lovelace
The daughter of Lord Byron
First ever programmer was a woman :s
 
Before you walk further, click the link below.
 
sbi
@ParkYoung-Bae Not funny.
2 mins ago, by sbi
@Jefffrey I was actually talking about the 1950s or so.
 
8:12 PM
@sbi What? I was talking to 40two.
 
Lord Byron is a national hero here
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Poor guy, had to wait 2mins to make that... erm, "joke".
 
What are the benefits of learning c++ instead of c?
 
sbi
@Andrew You learn a better language?
 
I am a SE who works in Javascript and I want to switch to learning c/linux or a simialr stack
 
8:13 PM
@Andrew What are the cons?
(there are none)
 
sbi
@Jefffrey You are a con-man.
 
@Andrew No gain dude, just endless wicked nights
 
@Andrew A better standard library.
 
'@40two what do you mean endless wicket nights?
 
@Andrew Templates, classes, namespaces, higher level, memory management that makes sense, the rest of the standard library; but don't use C++ either, use Haskell.
 
Xeo
8:14 PM
yay, home \o/
 
sbi
@Andrew Girls like C++ programmers?
@Xeo You're in Berlin?
 
Xeo
Err, no
Home, as in, my flat.
 
sbi
What is this?
 
what is this
 
Seriously, C++ is superset of C. In C you have only procedural programming paradigm. C++ expands to OOP and recently functional programming. Also has nice features like templates for compile time polymorphism and Metaprogramming.
 
sbi
8:16 PM
@Mr.kbok You tell me.
 
"recently"
 
@sbi penknife
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Wrong.
 
@Andrew Plus the mighty STL
 
Pencil sharpener.
 
8:16 PM
@40two "recently"
 
@sbi It's a car designed to drive in tunnels?
 
I feel like there is a better job market for c++ than javascript too
 
sbi
@Mr.kbok Wrong, too, but a lot closer than @Jefffrey.
 
at least in seattle
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well since 2011 officially
 
8:17 PM
can some one hit me up with an accented e plz
 
sbi
@thecoshman Which one do you want? èèê :)
 
@Rapptz I meant that; fucking google translate.
 
@40two Sure.
 
@sbi a sextoy that will make you end up in ER
 
tar :P
 
sbi
8:18 PM
@StackedCrooked Wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shoot dude, I don't know since when...
 
@Andrew It really really depends on your industry
 
Since ever?
1998, at least.
 
@sbi A bike, of course.
 
You're not going very far in telecoms with a javascript expertise.
 
8:18 PM
How did I not think of that one.
 
sbi
@Jefffrey You cheated.
 
@Jefffrey to what are you referring to exactly besides lambdas?
 
user1804599
@sbi a hyperlink.
 
^ wins
 
@sbi the one for fiancee :S
 
8:19 PM
I'm trying to get into MS or Amazon
embedded systems
 
@Andrew Good luck buddy.
 
@40two wat
 
sbi
@thecoshman I have no idea which one your fiancee wants.
 
@Andrew Me too also Google but probably I'm overqualified for them
 
8:20 PM
too many threads of discussions running in parallel
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hehehe... and now let the handler be templated again.
 
May 3 '13 at 13:43, by R. Martinho Fernandes
I've grown to think that "has lambdas => supports functional programming" is total bullshit.
 
@sbi not my fiancee, all of them :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman That I know even less.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Quoting yourself, eh? How narcissistic.
 
8:21 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Elaborate...
 
@40two lol?
 
@Andrew MS will probably require some experience in C++
 
I can't believe you guys haven't plonked 40two yet.
 
May 3 '13 at 13:58, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@DeadMG Right now I think first-class support for all these are leagues more important that lambdas, in no particular order: higher-order functions, lazy evaluation, generators/continuations (as in, not fucking CPS).
 
@Rapptz we should?
 
user3010322
8:21 PM
@Mr.kbok Depends on the org you apply to.
 
@sbi oh dang, I could of used that to rage at you for 'hitting on my bird'... oh well :P
 
user3010322
In my current position, I need 0 C++.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes FP has more than lambda, even though lambda has become the posterchild of it in C++ recently.
 
He/she has never been constructive :v
 
user3010322
Everything is C#, SQL, and other scripts.
 
8:22 PM
@ThePhD Of course, I'm talking about a position as a C++ programmer
 
@Mr.kbok yes they ask for it
 
Lambdas are essential to functional programming in the same way that true and false literals are essential to imperative programming.
 
user3010322
If you want embedded dev, though, you'll definitely need a strong grasp of C/C++.
2
 
@ThePhD Oh by the way, what exactly is it that you do there?
 
user3010322
@Mr.kbok Oh, in that case, obviously.
 
8:22 PM
> C/C++
nooooooo
 
@Rapptz 120kg a lot of plonk dude
 
user3010322
<3
 
user3010322
Oh @Mr.kbok Have you checked out sol lately?
 
@ThePhD You butt-shaped human.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think this is wrong. It's more like encapsulation is essential to OOP. There's more to OOP (like inheritance, for example), but it is an important part.
 
8:23 PM
@Rapptz I don't remember previous appearances.
 
No, my project which used lua has stalled for several months now
 
user3010322
Aww. :c
 
user3010322
Well, sol has basically reached feature-completeness.
 
@sbi I didn't mention OOP. I don't get what you're trying to say.
 
But I had a look at the code and it looks good. Maybe I'll have a chance to use it later
 
8:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes All past experiences have been negative.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You don't remember?! I'm stunned.
 
Following all the open threads is like being on LSD
 
user3010322
We support binding classes from C++, setting functions from C++, constructing tables, arbitrary userdata, returning values / pointers from C++... the whole 9 yards!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Read it as "It's more like: encapsulation is essential to OOP".
 
@sbi "I don't remember" is an euphemism for "It never happened".
 
sbi
8:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am trying to say that lambda is more important to FP than true/false is to IP. Close to what encapsulation is to OOP.
 
(Disclaimer: doesn't work on girlfriends)
 
Any good books for learning c/c++?
 
How do you write an if without true and false?
 
@Andrew Really?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Watch out, robot. You become human in an alarming rate.
 
user3010322
8:25 PM
When I say C / C++, I mean C OR C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if(1)
 
@ThePhD Of course you do. Who would ever want to think about the language "they" call C/C++?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait. What did I miss?
 
:d
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes In C and C++?
 
user3010322
8:26 PM
I doooo!
 
@Andrew check out Schildt
:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if(1)
 
sbi
So do I.
 
4281
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

 
8:26 PM
what was the flag about?
 
@Jefffrey Awesome.
 
flag troll
 
@Jefffrey Naming He Who Shall Not Be Named.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hitler?
 
Ohmygod it's in French for me
 
8:27 PM
> Enable javascript to use LMGTFY.
I think I'll pass.
 
@thecoshman Herb.
 
@Andrew Currently C++ Primer is probably the best introduction.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Basil?
 
@Rapptz you.. don't have JS enabled?
so you are the one
 
8:28 PM
No
I have NoScript on at all times just to annoy JavaScript gurus.
It's part of my day job.
 
@sbi Nothing and lots. Why?
 
oh... new badges, and I get on bronze one :(
 
I purchased Bajarne's "The C++11 programming language" but it was definitly not beginne rfriendly
 
DNE
 
Annoying JS people. That's a dream job
 
sbi
8:28 PM
I have NS on, all the times, too. I enable it site-wise.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You speaking about a girlfriend doesn't seem nothing to me. Do I know her?
 
@Andrew IMHO C++ Primer is the best book for begginers
 
@Andrew It has good summary sections at the end of each chapter.
 
@Mr.kbok js is a dream job?
 
@Andrew No, annoying Javascript people is
 
sbi
@Andrew Keep it, though. It's a damn good book to read and learn from, even if you need another one to get over the initial hurdles.
 
user3010322
8:30 PM
If I don't figure out this Triangle Rendering problem today
 
user3010322
I'm probably going to quite programming entirely.
 
@sbi she snuck away one morning, not bad... blonde IIRC
 
@sbi I think you're reading too much into this.
 
@Rapptz You are the reason why the web cannot evolve, congratulations. (inb4 "omg he said 'the web'")
 
Xeo
FFS Microsoft. I confirmed my new security-code mail address 10 times before, why are you asking me again?!
 
8:31 PM
 
Xeo
> Call us overprotective...
You're not overprotective, you're dumb.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Nobody would have their gf visiting with you pirate around.
 
TIL in Japanessish hug == carry
 
6 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sbi "I don't remember" is an euphemism for "It never happened".
^ He referred to this
 
@sbi I'll have you know I've only pillaged that which has not been withheld :P
 
sbi
8:32 PM
@Mr.kbok I know what he was referring to. I still was surprised.
 
> 19 photos d'animaux qui font de drôles de tête.
Journalism in France today
 
I guess tete == tits
 
@Jefffrey You're a genious
 
8:33 PM
Martinho is full of surprises
 
> 19 photos d'animaux qui font de drôles de tête.
¬_¬ thanks google, that really helps
 
@Mr.kbok What did I do now?
 
sbi
@Andrew I hadn't recommended that (here, now). But yeah, it's on the list @R.Martinho referred to, and thus a good book. It's one of the few I regularly recommend.
 
@Jefffrey Decipher drôles now
 
@Jefffrey Now my French-speaking friends will wonder why the hell I'm laughing like an idiot every time they say that word.
 
8:34 PM
Oh, tête actually means head.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would you like me to think so?
 
@sbi Now I'm confused and don't know how to answer that correctly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Remember when you brought your cousin with you last christmas
 
I guess everyone knows the best thing about France
 
@Mr.kbok Yes...?
 
8:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm confused too by the way. We can be confused together.
 
Xeo
@sbi Yes.
 
FFS
I'm being group-trolled.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're trying to weasel out of this one, huh?
 
French fries
:P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you are reading too much into this.
 
8:37 PM
3 hours ago, by Alex M.
it's enough money so I'm starting to think about not declining it and going for at least a year, until I finish college
going to refuse it, my current job is much more flexible and I have to work less hours
when you add that too, the pay they offered is shit
 
@AlexM. And what job is this?
 
sbi
@Jefffrey Sure. Then tête-à-tête is... um.
 
@sbi I'm not trying to weasel out of anything. I don't have a girlfriend.
 
I'd like to reduce my working hours until they reach zero but still keep my salary
 
@40two right now I'm developing games at a local startup
 
sbi
8:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So @Xeo knows something I don't? Grins.
 
applied to develop games at Gameloft
 
@Mr.kbok Easy
 
got offer
 
@AlexM. Cool dude
 
Xeo
@sbi Docking.
 
8:39 PM
and I'm not exactly happy about it
I guess a compromise could be done but for fuck's sake
if I begin work with a compromise
I'll probably hate the workplace in less than a month
 
If you change jobs you're unhappy.
 
@AlexM. Relax everything happens for a good reason
 
Telkitty says so. According to economics.
 
@40two wut
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd say changing to a job that makes you unhappy makes you unhappy lol
 
@sbi Godammit, no.
 
8:40 PM
@AlexM. Either you decline or take the Job will happen for a good reason
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
@40two well here's how it is
 
I never thought it'd be hard to convince you I don't have a girlfriend.
7
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too late. Damage done.
 
@AlexM. you want more money?
 
8:41 PM
I know I'm hot and all, but dammit.
 
right now I work 6h/day with an extremely flexible schedule
and that means extremely flexible
I can choose not to go to work days at a time as long as I make up for the lost time
I am also free to just take a month off (unpaid of course) to study for exams if I want to
this for $X/mo
 
That's awesome
 
that's horrible. you should definitely leave.
 
here, I've been offered $X + 0.5*$X
 
@AlexM. Look, if it is for studies fuckem, really nothing to gain from universities and colleges except from a shitty paper
 
8:43 PM
for 8h/day
very strict schedule
obviously no months off for studying
 
sbi
Tell them their offer can't compete with what you have. Then keep working where you do now until you have a degree. After than, go back and apply again, demanding a lot more than you do now.
 
don't accept an offer if you don't feel good about it
 
yeah that's what I'm thinking
going half-enthusiastic at it would just make it worse later on
 
How are you going to use those $X/2.$?
 
@StackedCrooked Yes but this offer maybe a good kick-start and later bullet in the cv in later pursue of better job
 
8:44 PM
the extra money would have been just that, extra money that I can use on random stuff I want
 
sbi
It might be that they know how good you are, and will offer more. Then you have them, and can demand. Otherwise, just keep your current job. 1.5x the money you have now will look bad five years down the road if you didn't get that degree.
 
the necessary expenses are already covered
 
Buy a tracksuit for a better jog.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dude, shoes come first
 
@sbi nah it's a take it or leave it offer
yeah, I've just one more year of college until I get my degree
should probably not fuck up now
 
8:46 PM
Honestly I think a 6-hour day and a flexible schedule is worth much more than a 50% raise
 
sbi
@AlexM. So leave it. As I said, if that prevents you to get a degree, you're toast, trading a bit more money now for a lot more later.
 
@AlexM. give it up, think of Steeve
 
@40two actually, starting my own business is my final goal in my career
but dropping college when I'm at the end is absurd
 
@AlexM. How old are you?
 
and it's good to know you have a back up plan
 
8:47 PM
@AlexM. Yes, don't leave university.
 
I'm also thinking about getting a master's degree in software engineering after this
 
sbi
I have always given up money for getting a part-time job, a great working environment, a good boss, a flexible schedule, and more vacation days. Never regretted it.
 
it has a very work-friendly schedule for attendance and exams
@40two 21
 
sbi
@AlexM. I thought you enjoy programming?
Having your own business means that you do not have time to do programming anymore.
 
@AlexM. Relax you have a lot of time dude
 
8:50 PM
@sbi You sell the company, if it's worth a lot, and you do what you want for the remaining 60 years.
 
@sbi eh? that may be true
 
@AlexM. As our priests say god first
 
but I'm sure I'll still be able to find some hours each week to work on my projects
 
sbi
@Jefffrey First you sell your soul. Then, if you're extremely lucky, you sell the company. Most, however, crash their company.
 
8:51 PM
@AlexM. I doubt it.
 
shrug
guess I'll find out for myself
 
@AlexM. Is this the "be my own boss" mentality?
 
sbi
@AlexM. How many programmers-turned-bosses have you met? Not much, judging from your illusions.
 
tbh, I haven't met many bosses
 
@Jefffrey Ah, the good old business model of "hoping to be bought out by a larger company", aka "startup".
 
8:53 PM
@Rapptz It's the "let's be the next zuckerberg" mentality.
 
sbi
My immediate superior, a very nice guy (we had beer on Friday night), head of not even two dozen people in a 100ppl company, who used to hack only two years ago (when he was the head of 8ppl), has no time to code anymore. None at all.
 
I'm not saying I'm not believing you here
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes 95% of which sink their ship within 5 years and 0.5% of which are bought for a noticeable amount.
 
@sbi Meh
 
O Hi frenchie
 
sbi
8:55 PM
@ParkYoung-Bae Indeed. It's like me calling you a NK'an commie.
 
How did the shell go
 
@Mr.kbok Bonjoures~
ça va et toi ?
@sbi I can live with that
 
trankil trankil
 
sbi
@ParkYoung-Bae I wouldn't have expected you to die from it.
 
I'm riddled with holes
 
sbi
8:56 PM
Anyway, I'm gonna go home now. Spent enough time at work for the day.
Good night, folks!
 
NK'an commie? What's that?
 
@sbi Nightie ape!
 
@Puppy You have been shot?
 
@Mr.kbok North Korean Communist.
 
@Mr.kbok North Korean communist
 
8:57 PM
@Jefffrey No, but I was operated on
 
... with bullets.
 
today?
 
oh right
 
sbi
@Jefffrey They are pores. We all have them.
 
yesterday
 
sbi
8:57 PM
@Puppy Oy! You Ok?
 
@Puppy went well?
 
@sbi Yeah. They just had a look around and sampled some stuff.
 
Still looking for a job @ParkYoung-Bae?
 
@Jefffrey Yeah, mostly just waiting around.
resuming my job hunt on Friday or next week.
 
sbi
@Puppy Good to hear!
 
8:58 PM
@Puppy Did they solve something this time?
 
sbi
Well, I'm gonna try and catch the bus... :wq!
 
@sbi I had it scheduled when I was still going to die.
@Jefffrey There's nothing left for them to solve, really.
 
So you are ok?
 
drugs give immunity to IBS.
 
@Mr.kbok Yes. Had two interviews in Paris last weekend and both went well, but... I hadn't been to Paris in a while, and I don't think I want to work there :w Also, I have no idea what I want. How about you?
 
8:59 PM
@sbi ZZ
 
@sbi bye
 
good nighties dudes ;)
 

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