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12:00
@BartekBanachewicz a shame
start GayTube and do your campaigning there tyvm
YouTube doesn't have heterosexual day so fuck off
"equality" pfft
(note to future readers of the transcript, and Google search results visitors: I'm trolling)
((kinda))
I forgot my headphones at home.
Bummer.
(that's why I am using yt at work btw)
@BartekBanachewicz Because you don't have your headphones? That makes no sense at all.
If anything that would make you less likely to use YT at work, no?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I have two pairs of headphones
one have only USB port though, and Spotify doesn't work on our local network
12:04
@BartekBanachewicz o.O
So because you have only one pair of headphones, not two, and only one USB port, and you can't use Spotify, you're using YouTube?
One are mine, and one are work ones. Nothing weird.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I use spotify on my phone and connect my regular headphones to it.
user1804599
Hmm. too_big_to_fail in Erlang is funny.
Inek is still not suspended.
user1804599
12:06
It automatically stores data in memory on other nodes in the network when the local node runs out of memory.
@BartekBanachewicz Nope, still not making sense. It's okay; I lost interest
I figured.
oh, Siri is going to have Shazam integrated
@BartekBanachewicz over USB?
You're certainly very good at finding them. — Lightness Races in Orbit 4 secs ago
@ecatmur no, my regular headphones are regular
12:10
@BartekBanachewicz Those iPads are really getting big now huh
Xeo
Xeo
Guess I'll live with that and use my brother's account then.. — İnek Şaban 4 hours ago
Ugh
@BartekBanachewicz that's somehow neat
@Xeo yeah just saw that
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :D
Xeo
Xeo
gawd, I hate if-cascades..
Just do a fucking early return...
you'd be surprised at how many people learn this trick
12:15
"use this simple trick to lose 20 pounds change flow this FAST and EASY way"
user1804599
> Yup, monads are really easy to understand that’s why there are hundreds of articles explaining how easy they are.
Xeo
Xeo
A problem I see with many monad "tutorials" is they they focus solely on monads, and not functor / applicative.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit go ahead. Miss the joke. I'll just assume it was too subtle for you :)
@nightcracker Thanks for the NSFW warning, fuckwad
:D
thank god I had headphones on
@Xeo that's because they are a different thing in practice
Xeo
Xeo
12:19
Meh
@FlorianMargaine early returns? That's what all the shes said too :)
Xeo
Xeo
Not really
Which is why Functor => Applicative => Monad is a thing, y'know
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@Xeo meh, dunno.
I kinda agree that if you don't want to learn it before you start reading then you won't get it from a theoretical tutorial
user1804599
@Xeo In Scala you can add Apply, IsomorphismMonad and InvariantFunctor to the mix. :P
Xeo
Xeo
12:22
The biggest "feature" about Monads is that they allow something Applicative doesn't - data dependency
i.e., changing structure based on data
Are there Co-Applicatives?
user1804599
No, but there are cofrees!
I have a coffee; does it count?
user1804599
And there is cokleisli!
12:25
cookies and coffee
nice.
user1804599
There's also cord!
Xeo
Xeo
@rightfold Which arise from Comonads, so eh :P
user1804599
Although that's a datastructure.
@rightfold don't forget about ckrings
user1804599
And cozip!
12:26
@rightfold cozy!
user1804599
> BiConstrainedNaturalTransformation
user1804599
It's like Java, except FP.
It's like Java except not.
user1804599
Hmm, Bifunctor.
user1804599
> def bimap[A, B, C, D](fab: F[A, B])(f: A => C, g: B => D): F[C, D]
user1804599
12:29
> A co-variant binary functor (aka bifunctor) is any type constructor with a kind * -> * -> * that can satisfy identity and composition when mapping on either type variable.
user1804599
Oh cool. Either. (Scala doesn't treat Left and Right differently.)
@rightfold neat
> Honest question: is anyone using lambdas? They seem to solve a very minor problem. Probably every article I've seen has been "pass lambdas to std::sort!" or some variation, to which my reaction has always been "meh".
user1804599
Lambdas suck. They are so difficult to understand.
12:36
@Rapptz is this reddit
--screw it, do it live
fromRight :: Either a b -> b
fromRight (Right b)= b
heh
the guy has nice sense of humour
@StackedCrooked: Ping
funcStmt :: Parser Stmt
funcStmt
    = do{ reserved "function"
        ; funcname
        ; funcbody
        }
this code style is pretty fucking terrible though
user1804599
Looks fine to me.
user1804599
Pretty readable and easy to understand.
12:43
@BartekBanachewicz what's Certyfikaty Overmind?
@Jefffrey my CA certificate (right now that's all what's there)
\ continues a Bash command onto the next line, right?
user1804599
Yes.
user1804599
Just like in C++ and Python.
cheers
12:44
@rightfold the semicolons are unnecessary noise
user1804599
Nah.
do I need a special terminator? the example I found on SO ends his command with /
user1804599
No.
but doesn't explain why
Xeo
Xeo
link?
user1804599
12:45
If you add a forward slash it's passed as an argument.
7
Q: Linux Bash Script, Single Command But Multiple Lines?

Jay LaCroixI have the following script I wrote by searching Google, and it backs up my Linux system to an archive: #!/bin/bash # init DATE=$(date +20%y%m%d) tar -cvpzf /share/Recovery/Snapshots/$HOSTNAME_$DATE.tar.gz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media --e...

@rightfold they are.
user1804599
@DeadMG The forward slash there is just an argument.
ah maybe he just wanted to pass / as an argument then.
okeydokey.
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG Yeah, that last / is just to zip everything under /
user1804599
12:46
% echo /
/
I decided to screw it and just hardcode in the shell script the coliru GCC search paths
Clang has like, a thousand lines of code dedicated just to finding the GCC and system includes
which are typically totally un-reusable
Xeo
Xeo
Man, being able to use C++11 in our code is so nice
huh.
I wonder if my parser even does reject constructors at module scope...?
I find it nice that I understand the whole Turnip parser code
whole Lua takes 340 LoC
AST definitions take 43 LoC
SWIFT SWIFT SWIFT
hi btw
12:53
so it hardly parses anything then
user1804599
@ÓlafurWaage TAYLOR TAYLOR TAYLOR
@DeadMG what? it parses the whole language I think
@DeadMG remember that it's writen using Parsec
that's really only saying as much as Turnip is a complex language grammatically.
user1804599
12:54
You can write very extensive parsers in 340 LOC if you use decent tools.
@DeadMG Turnip is the name of the parser that parses Lua :)
Lua's a pretty simple language to parse since it's LL(1).
it is.
still, the code is short and readable.
It can be a good base for my super secret special project
spill it
@ÓlafurWaage what about it
12:56
you're such a turnip
@Jefffrey I'm just mimicking my twitter feed
he he
But the guy that decided that poop emoji is a valid character can have all the awards from me
@ÓlafurWaage that's not how it works
How then?
user3010322
13:05
Wooo!
user3010322
No errors with a Furrovine build on G++ !
user3010322
I'm on fire. :D
user1804599
Purrovine.
@BartekBanachewicz Terra Haskell?
user3010322
@rightfold That's not a bad name.
13:06
@DeadMG It's super secret and super special
(fully pure Lua VM)
I wish C++ had named parameters.
@Rapptz pass an anonymous object!
Oh wait.
@ÓlafurWaage All of block MS&P are in category So because what else would they be?
user3010322
@Rapptz Psssst.
user3010322
Is Shogun done yeeet. ;~;
13:09
..?
@ecatmur big words for lil dumb old me
Haven't worked on it.
user3010322
:((((((((((((((((
user3010322
gib src plz
user3010322
I need this build system like yesterday.
user3010322
13:10
Yesssterdaaaay.
I should make a kwarg thing for C++.
user3010322
kwarg?
@ÓlafurWaage lots of languages allow arbitrary Unicode characters in identifiers
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Q: Is it a good idea to use unicode symbols as Java identifiers?

EricI have a snippet of code that looks like this: double Δt = lastPollTime - pollTime; double α = 1 - Math.exp(-Δt / τ); average += α * (x - average); Just how bad an idea is it to use unicode characters in Java identifiers? Or is this perfectly acceptable?

keyword argument
user3010322
What does that mean?
user1804599
13:11
Only functional programmers are allowed to use such characters.
really
named parameters?
@ecatmur yup
user3010322
Oh.
user3010322
How would you plan on making that happen?
user1804599
I named my function ξ today because I couldn't think of a better name.
user3010322
13:12
compile-time shenanigans with strings?
like window(name = "stuff", width = 800, height = 600);
@ecatmur poop is funny though
user1804599
Renamed it to apply-ret later, though.
iunno
user3010322
Hm.
13:13
I think every way of doing it involves temporary global objects
¿¿¿ʎʎɐɐʞɯɯɯ 'pɐq sı ǝpoɔ uı ǝpoɔıun — polygenelubricants May 8 '10 at 11:37
Max
Max
Hi guys, quick question: UDP supports fragmentation (and therefore has no size-limit), right? Is it guaranteed that, if the packet arrives, its payload is in order or may I end up with N distinct (disordered) UDP packets resulting out of a single big one? I'm searching myself to death but don't want to open up a SO question for such a trivial thing :/
lel
May 25 at 9:48, by sbi
Welcome to the Lounge. Please read these rules first.
user1804599
I'm not sure whether I just upvoted that, or downvoted it... — Thomas May 8 '10 at 12:00
yeah there's no sane way of doing it
user3010322
13:15
Can you print something from a makefile for debug purposes?
Max
Max
Fair enough, SO it is. Sorry :P
user3010322
@Rapptz :P
all of the ones I can think of needs a temporary global object
user1804599
@ThePhD echo foo.
pretty dumb
user3010322
13:15
Why the temporary global object, again?
kwarg<int> stuff;
// ...
f(stuff = 10);
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A: Can TCP and UDP packets be split into pieces?

David Schwartz can TCP packets arrive to receiver by pieces? Yes. IP supports fragmentation, though TCP generally tries to determine the path MTU and keep its packets smaller than that for performance reasons. Fragmentation increases the datagram loss rate catastrophically. If a path has a 10% packet loss ...

that was a 10 second search. then a 20 second read. then a 50 second edit :)
don't recall how they did it though
Max
Max
@sehe, omg. I'm sorry! Apparently my Google keywords cleverly searched around this posting :/
@Rapptz this really needs to be a language feature.
13:18
it's awful
lol
@Max I googled "udp split pacakges". With the typo. Result is the top hit
if C++ had reflection, you could pimp signatures a bit and generate those parameters
@sehe UDP/TCP is documented on SO, RFC and elsewhere so thorougly that it's difficult to understand why anyone would ask yet another question:(
@MartinJames Who cares. I don't tell you to read the C++ standard, so I don't mind other not reading RFCs like we do
Duplication is bad. Not searching is lazy.
But explaining is worth something to someone
@sehe Yeah - the most trivial search...
Max
Max
13:20
It certainly is worth something to me. Thanks (and sorry) again! :)
@Max It's quicker to Google than type out a question - save yourself some time.
@MartinJames Martin. "Check your privileges" :) I strikes me many times that you zoom in on the networking questions on SO. Not everyone has chewed these concepts out a dozen times already
I have white and root privilege
@MartinJames He's heard the message. He's apologized twice. Save us some time :)
Max
Max
Believe me, I did. However, for some reason I did not use "split" but rather various variants of "fragmentation", "ordering", "traffic" and "udp" which all didn't yield any conclusive results :/
user3010322
13:23
@Rapptz I modified your generic makefile to handle multiple source directories
user3010322
I should probably also make it handle multiple exclusion directories / filenames
okay
I don't use it anymore
Make is annoying to deal with
but at least it comes as a default
@Max It's layers of stuff. Your UDP datagram or TCP stream data get all kinds of messy stuff done to them in the network stack, NIC, routers etc. The layers are there to protect you from all that gunge below:)
Max
Max
@MartinJames, yep. I just wasn't sure anymore if UDP (or the underlying IP, for that matter) handles assembly within one packet, whcih apparently it does. :D
user3010322
@Rapptz I wouldn't use it if I had a certain build system.
user3010322
13:26
... Nuuuuuuuudge nudge NUUUUUUUUUUDGE NUDGE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK.
@Max Yup:) You get it all, or nowt.
I don't like this Lounge.
Max
Max
TCP is kinda awesome because it's so easy to handle but damn it has performance issues (for realtime stuff, at least ._.)
@TonyTheLion ?
Its a good conversation starter.
Man, I've been debugging this one thing all morning, and I still haven't got the bug.
13:29
The springs are showing through and so it can be painful to sit on for long. Needs recovering.
What are you chatting about?
People are the same every where - there are nice people & there are dickheads
user3010322
@chmod711telkitty Wrong: there's nice people, dickheads, and then there's that one telkitty.
7
Not sure - I've only been here intermittently. I have bugs too:(
@ThePhD mewoof mewoof!
13:31
@Rapptz operator= on the keyword object doesn't actually modify anything (it's const), instead it returns its argument wrapped in a tag type
already figured as much
well I thought it was a nice trick :)
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz did you just say you're my pimp? <3
user3010322
Hm.
user3010322
Yep, definitely don't want to keep banging on this makefile.
user3010322
13:35
I will tombstone everything until The Promised Land Build System comes to pass.
@rightfold How much of a cut does he take?
user1804599
How do you format text as a blockquote in Thunderbird? :S
user1804599
What a horribly shitty UI.
user3010322
....
user3010322
Why did I sign up for this.
user1804599
13:40
Ah, first you cut the text and then you "paste as quotation."
user1804599
lolwot fuck you Thunderbird
user3010322
Who uses the Qt framework for cross-platform UI anymore?
Wind... tumbleweed...
@ThePhD more and more, afaict
user3010322
Welp.
user3010322
13:43
Here we go.
@rightfold what do you suggest instead? Have you ever tried doing something remotely similar in Outlook?
user1804599
@sehe How about having a button that quotes the selected text.
user1804599
I don't use Outlook, so I don't know.
@rightfold In the source email (before reply), select the text, hit Rpely (^R) done
user1804599
No, I am quoting completely different text.
13:46
@rightfold Outlook doesn't support inline replying at all anymore (it used to <OL'97 AFAIR)
I love how Telegraph uses a picture of HTML text to depict "hacker" things.
user1804599
(Clients are dumb and put their messages in Word documents as attachments.)
@rightfold u so screwed
@rightfold Copy the text into the mail - forward it to yourself. Now, reply with block quotes, and address to reply-address :)
@ThePhD Everyone.
@ThePhD probably quite a few
user1804599
13:48
@sehe lol
user1804599
That breaks the reply-to reference.
user1804599
(Fuck email.)
@TonyTheLion it's still better then some movies that use MS word for the same purpose ^^
Hollywood is the worst at depicting anything IT related.
@TonyTheLion the CSI:* are extremely bad :| and watching an episode of "The Arrow" was a revelation: apparently when you get hacked your computer explodes and pukes fireworks...
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I need to buy some sunblock
Also, hi from Rostock.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You say this now? After spending literally all week cycling...?
Through the woods, mostly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, okay.
Ran out of wood?
lol
I'm at the Baltic Sea coast now.
14:03
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, yes; you'll need sunblock underwater.
I'm not cycling anymore. Well, besides to get to and fro places around here.
Tomorrow I'll take the ferry to Denmark and spend the day like a tourist.
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, on your phone in the Lounge?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Shut up girl. Being a woman doesn't give you the right to do and say whatever you want. You just get treated like a man. — İnek Şaban 34 mins ago
PAHAHAHAHAHAHA /cc @BenjaminGruenbaum
If I wanted to spend the day chatting it would be a lot cheaper to do so from Germany.
user1804599
> please delete me
14:08
..let me go...
Is that the Turkish guy that made a ruckus here some weeks ago?
Some weeks ago, yesterday, the day before yesterday...
He never really stopped.
The one planning to build a better SO?
He's a Wack-a-Mole
@rightfold Awesome tags.
14:09
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't remember that but it wouldn't surprise me a great deal.
He said we just have to wait until September.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wake me up when September ends.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What I do is none of your business, girl. I treat them like they do with me, that is it. If they treat me with respect I do the same, nothing particularly difficult. Sock puppet? I've outsourced the work finally, so I can focus on something more important. Please, spare me the friendly upvotes to your comments, they're pathetic. — İnek Şaban 1 min ago
He's such an easy target.
(Also apparently never watched Enterprise...)
@chmod711telkitty Pretty sure I beat that whilst I was on holiday. I daren't go back and read the transcript, mind you.
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Q: Is there an XSS vulnerability in Stack Overflow <script>alert("XSS");</script>

BenCrIs there an XSS vulnerability in Stack Overflow? Adding <select> to the title of a question causes the select box to be rendered in the Inbox on the navigation bar so perhaps script tags aren't escaped either.

LOL?!
14:14
Oo ... I usually holiday in a place where I either have no internet connection or the roaming is too expensive
(not sure where XSS comes into it, mind you)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Again, that is none of your business. No one called you to discuss that with me. Do what women do since the beginning of the time and don't bother me please. — İnek Şaban 18 secs ago
Wow
You'd probably have more luck with women if you weren't such a dick. — Lightness Races in Orbit 38 secs ago
:D
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
14:20
@chmod711telkitty it's his special troll ability...
yeah right, if troll ability could get your reps I would be on 500k+ ...
kinda odd since he can choose to stop being bothered by you at any time
and women haven't done anything since the beginning of time, as recognizably human women only evolved in the last few hundred thousand years
There are a couple places round here where recognizably human women have still not evolved.
I'm trying very hard to not say 'for example, the Black Swan ladies darts B team', because that would be insulting and inappropriate.
OK, I may be dead soon.
@DeadMG Time as we know it cannot be proven to be any more than human perception, so arguably he has a point
@MartinJames ~^_^
(yes, that's a grinning sperm)
there was never a comment in between
If Anne sees that, I may be moving to Germany permanently:)
14:32
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
@MartinJames oho.
user1804599
I am your girlfriend. <3 — rightfold 17 secs ago
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I disagree. Relativity kinda proves that time must physically exist.
there are also arrows of time, like entropy.
and the Uncertainty Principle also mandates that time must exist as a real thing.
lol arrows of time
I mean, it's one thing to argue that time has a different form to our perception, and quite another to say that it does not exist
14:47
He has not 'disappeared like a shadow' yet:(
Probably enjoys trolling meta too much.
he's taking my job!
Someone turn on all the lights.
@DeadMG You need to get a real job.
@DeadMG Nah - you have tenure.
14:49
@TonyTheLion Of this I am fully aware.
I actually looked at a couple jobs last night.
why can't I paste a password when prompted in a command line?
user1804599
Because the command line sucks.
because poop.
or why does git credential-osxkeychain erase loop infinitely?
because its terrible?
14:53
hmm
sounds like cat ... wait, bigger cat = grumpier ... possibly?
[export := test.constructors.resolve()]
type()
    val := true;
{}
fucking github password change
I should use that as a password ^
user1804599
@Jefffrey Because git credential-osxkeychain sucks.
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Q: Are compiler-generated assignment operators unsafe?

DeadMGIt was my understanding that the C++ compiler generates assignment operators like this: struct X { std::vector<int> member1; std::vector<int> member2; X& operator=(const X& other) { member1 = other.member1; member2 = other.member2; } }; Isn't this exception-unsa...

user1804599
14:59
@DeadMG dat syntax.
strchlddata - I love my variable naming
:P
@rightfold there are no alternatives
user1804599
@TonyTheLion rename it if it is unclear.
@rightfold It's really not that different.
and now it just decided to work
so yeah, checkmate mac

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