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What would you call a function (f, x) --> { f x; return x }?
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@nightcracker @Rapptz after searching for gdb with tui I've settled for Qt Creator (just the ide without the sdk) works
Qt's gdb thing is fine
08:01
I've looked for vim GDB
but all I found was pyclewn
which requires EXACTLY python 3.2 for some reason
haven't bothered to install that exact version (have 3.4) yet =/
probably installed the gdb prettyprinters with python 3.2
iunno
took me forever to find out how to make the gdb prettyprinters work on python 3.x
apparently all I had to do was use 2to3
but for anyone working on windows, github.com/nightcracker/qcon is by far my biggest productivity boost
in combination with github.com/nightcracker/dotfiles/tree/master/cmdrc to setup my command line environment
I used to use your qcon thing
long long ago
gives me 9 consoles to access at any point by pressing winkey + ~, then ctrl+n to switch
but I switched to ConEmu + clink
08:05
ctrl+1 is always set to python with some automatic imports to turn it into a nifty calculator
@Rapptz why conemu?
I use clink too, btw
I like it way better than Console2
@Rapptz why? (just interested)
or more specific, what features you want does conemu have that console2 doesn't?
or what annoyances does it take away
tbh if you asked me this a year ago I would have answered it a lot better
but all I remember now is that ConEmu is a lot more customisable and its font rendering is way better
but how do you have it set up?
same keybindings?
yeup
ctrl + keypad+ for new console
ctrl + n to go to console
08:08
new console?
etc
why would you want a new console?
new tab?
you use more than 9?
oh I start off with 1 tab
08:09
I always just prepopulate 1-9
and add as I move along
1 is python
9 is ssh into orlp.me
but you can prepopulate it however you want it
relatively easy to do so actually
2-8 is whatever
hmm let me check if clink is updated
yes, yes it is!
Prompt colouring no longer requires third party ANSI code utility.
no more ansicon
I wish I had a better shell on Windows.
08:11
it just doesn't exist
I refuse to use powershell because of M$
don't give a flying fuck tbh
cygwin is awful
cared enough to comment there m8
the only people I see recommending cygwin are those that don't use it lol
I honestly don't understand people who recommend Cygwin
I've never had a positive experience with it
08:12
in 4chan terms: linuxfags that think cygwin is the awesome reincarnation of linux on windows
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Man.
no, cygwin is all the terrible shit from windows combined with more terrible shit from emulating something on something incompatible
I use MSYS, it sure isn't bash but it works
never used it
sh.exe is unsurprisingly terrible though
@legends2k <NOPE>
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08:14
I think I will call it apply-ret.
oh no
no
pardon me for the unxutils link
that shit hasn't been updated since 2003
git comes with utils
which I think is from MSYS
I use those
oh I don't I think
in fact I don't use linux utils at all except a special version of ls
sucks
well, I use cmd, powershell (for work) and msys exclusively (for personal projs.)
08:17
λ bash --version
GNU bash, version 3.1.0(1)-release (i686-pc-msys)
Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
ancient
I only use git for git, not for the utilities it brings
you can select what you want at install time
I'm too used to my linux utils
@Rapptz There's an MSYS2 that is up to date now.
It uses pacman as its package manager.
Has a ton of MinGW-w64 packages as well
08:22
Git comes with something called Git Bash
MSYS2 ships in archives that can be extracted in any place of your computer. But you MUST use folder names without non-ascii characters and spaces.
sounds like solid code they've got going there
@Rapptz yeah, that's normal MSYS they modified.
which.. again I think is a wrapper around msys
"It's MSYS all the way down."
@Rapptz it's no wrapper, it's just their fork of ancient MSYS
08:23
well
there is no native git binary for windows.
it seems to work perfectly fine
shrug
lol
Just thought I might point you to the new stuff.
but I don't use it
"new"
08:23
for some reason
Oh yeah
Now I remember
I wanted tabs
I don't think I have a fever no more, wooo!
my annoyance with clink still isn't fixed
@nightcracker: The newer mingw-w64 has older msys (2011) while the older mingw-builds seems more upto date (2013)
08:25
what worries me is that my gf is sleeping like a baby, and she feels very warm..
@rubenvb good to know about msys2, will give it a try
@legends2k what are you rambling?
@legends2k mingw-w64 ships with msys?
@legends2k what tools are part of msys?
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Q: Constructive discussion quickly disguised as anti-semitic

İnek ŞabanI had a discussion that began with me telling to newbies that if they received downvotes to contact me to upvote them if genuine, but a jew guy from israel @BenjaminGruenbaum http://stackoverflow.com/users/1348195/benjamin-gruenbaum reacted by downvoting most of my answers. I assumed what could'...

aw crap he deleted his comment
it was something like "you're a murican jew for sure"
08:28
@nightcracker No, but there's MSYS2 (see above) from which you can install MinGW-w64 toolchains (and libraries)
Oh.
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I suggest you read the link I posted showing how jews declared war against Germany. Please, DO IT. — İnek Şaban 29 secs ago
@legends2k old links
git bash is just sh --login -i
08:28
They're part of the MinGW-w64 project now
And they have an installer
Ven
Ven
are we swift yet
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@WilliamAndrewMontgomery 1 ... 2 ... downvoted into oblivion.
@legends2k meh, then don't use that part of mingw-w64
@rubenvb I'd rather keep 'em standalone :P
@rubenvb isn't there a package I can download and extract? I mightn't've connectivity to use an online installer
"This belongs on holocaust.SE"
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@nightcracker: I use those links only for MSYS
See the links to 64 and 32 bit.
Those are the up to date files.
@nightcracker Well, me too, but MSYS2 comes with a package manager...
of course I use them for GCC
So I can definitely see the advantage of that. Also, you can still use the toolchain without MSYS2
I was only taking about the addtional external msys package hosted there
Ven
Ven
08:31
what, you don't use clang ?
Now I'll be forced to switch to a new account earlier than I do regularly and gain access to the chat another time if you don't unblock me.
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Q: Constructive discussion quickly disguised as anti-semitic

İnek ŞabanI had a discussion that began with me telling to newbies that if they received downvotes to contact me to upvote them if genuine, but a jew guy from israel @BenjaminGruenbaum http://stackoverflow.com/users/1348195/benjamin-gruenbaum reacted by downvoting most of my answers. I assumed what could'...

@legends2k Use MSYS2.
hmm
Their forked version of MSYS isn't bad.
It's still an old version of Cygwin under the hood. MSYS2 has all the new stuff.
08:32
alright and yes I've msys and mingw decopled too; I use it at times from cmd and at times from msys
is MSYS2 sane
@Rapptz define "sane".
@rubenvb: Just that I'm kinda skeptical about its cygwin side :(
can I use my dotfiles
@Ven clang on windows is terror
08:33
morning
Ven
Ven
so I've heard :/
Now I'll be forced to switch to a new account earlier than I do regularly and gain access to the chat another time if you don't unblock me.
:wat:
Ven
Ven
which makes me remember my make segfaults on windows ... fuck :(
Well done, this is called fairness. If I'd talk about yankees fat 'muricans who make war disguised as "peace mission" in Afghanistan it would've been discussed extensively, but not to a ban.
Guess I'll download and find out
08:34
@legends2k Oh, and what is MSYS? A fork of a really old Cygwin...
@rubenvb ok point taken, will try out msys2 now
where do I download msys2?
thanks
I'll give it a shot
08:36
Remember, start MSYS2 shell, quit, start it again. Some configuration stuffs.
Then run pacman -Syu
LOL
just realized
that Visual Studio 2013 == Visual Studio 12.0
smart version naming, M$
Ven
Ven
is msys as bad as cygwin, or ?
The only one that matches is VS2010
Ven
Ven
/me would rather use cmd than cygwin
@Ven define "bad"
08:38
@rubenvb bad := !good
Ven
Ven
@rubenvb working as terribly as cygwin, to start with
Cygwin's as good as a Unix environment can get on Windows.
Ven
Ven
bullshit
read: total shit
And all things considered, it does pretty damn good.
Ven
Ven
08:38
cygwin is the biggest piece of crap I've ever used on windows
I'll use cmd over cygwin any day
what
is this a bad troll
ah yes, it is
I'm on the anti-Cygwin side too :c
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I think so.
26 mins ago, by nightcracker
in 4chan terms: linuxfags that think cygwin is the awesome reincarnation of linux on windows
26 mins ago, by nightcracker
no, cygwin is all the terrible shit from windows combined with more terrible shit from emulating something on something incompatible
Ven
Ven
thanks rapptz.
08:39
you all suck
how to break cygwin in 1 simple step: apply spaces in filepath
known issue for: ever
I agree, @nightcracker. It's still all you've got for Unix emulation. Compared to WINE, Cygwin is a lot better ;-)
Ven
Ven
how to break cygwin in 1 simple step : try to use it, and anything forking will crash
MSYS doesn't have issues with spaces so I doubt Cygwin does too.
MSYS does magic path handlind though
Ven
Ven
08:41
even their stuff doesn't work correctly and randomly fails or segfaults...
disregard then
That's one of the points that sets it apart from Cygwin.
Cygwin still sucks at that? Really?
well, a steaming dump of shit is pretty good at linux emulation, alternatives considered
Jesus
08:41
@Rapptz WTF are you on about?
1 min ago, by nightcracker
how to break cygwin in 1 simple step: apply spaces in filepath
What else?
FFS. It's just bash.
You probably forgot quotes
no
cygwin literally melts down
if you install it in a path with spaces
like "C:\Program Files"
I just press tab :<
I don't manually type in quotes
08:43
Yeah, whose idea was it add a space in the system storage folder!?
or if it's not spaces
it's parentheses
like Program Files (86)
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Q: make: Interrupt/Exception caught

nightcrackerI'm using Make from the MinGW distribution. It has always worked, but recently I've gotten the following error: > make clean make: Interrupt/Exception caught (code = 0xc0000005, addr = 0x0040b0ac) And the respective part looks like this: clean: del /S /Q *.o > nul del /S /Q *.cy.c > n...

ITT: "Windows sucks because it's not Unix"
Seriously.
Can it be more clear than that?
Just don't.
@rubenvb Don't bother. They suck.
08:45
FTR
@rubenvb Can your software be more broken than merely installing it in a badly named directory utterly breaks it?
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Yeah, true.
I don't dislike Cygwin cause of that.
quotes would fix it... right?
@nightcracker So what, Qt also has that issue
08:45
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery guess why
Yeah and with Qt it's even dumber.
At least Cygwin's makes some sense
I'm outta here. Bunch of derps.
Accidentaly downvoted your answer, went AFK and now it won't let me upvote till the answer is edited. Sorry mate, intended to upvote. — Zar Feb 1 '13 at 21:16
Brillant
...
08:46
Anyway I'm trying out MSys2
@Rapptz +
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@sehe Just edit it. YOU WANT THE REP
with a TAB it adds the required escape seq. for dirs with spaces
yeah
Ven
Ven
gnu make for windows is so fucking crufty and old
08:48
who's idea was it to only allow tabs in Makefiles
reminds me of your mom
seriously
@nightcracker you know, it's basically to allow all scripts that assume Unix-y environments to happuly keep assuming that things like /bin evaluate to real paths without spaces. It's not about "better". It's about common ground. Which is very much a goal when you use Cygwin in the first place
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Huh/ I don't think I get rep for editing
08:48
@sehe No but it'll unlock the downvote
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@sehe hardcoded /bin/sh ftw :3
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery "YOU WANT THE REP" still makes zarroo sense
Why are four spaces the convention and tabs not?
@rightfold well, that's not the issue, really. It only becomes brittle with cygpath -w for that
@natebot13 your question is ill-formed. There are many conventions (including the Geneva one). Also, we don't need tab-space wars.
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It's never an issue.
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08:54
/bin/sh is always available. :P
@sehe Edit => downvote unlocked => ping downvoter => change downvote into upvote => rep. Are you awake?
alright. jw. lol
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Did you look at the linked answer?
@sehe Yes, what's wrong with it?
Why should a space character be magically 'different' FFS? Is there not enough trouble already from the C shit that insists that NUL is a 'special' character? Software development going backwards:(
08:56
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery it ees not maihn! (you made me look though. I tend to forget the silly things I answered)
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@MartinJames For what? Filenames?
@sehe How is that a problem and what is wrong with your writing today!!
user1804599
Never use spaces in filenames.
Never use filenames in space either.
@rightfold That is in the set, yes.
user1804599
08:57
Preferably only letters, numbers, hyphens, underscores and dots from ASCII.
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery It's not a problem. It's a fact. Relevantly, the fact that should make it obvious I don't stand to gain rep by manipulating this answer in any way
Ven
Ven
hypen ALL your filenames !
did someone really flag that
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@Ven and variable names :3
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery off horse
Ven
Ven
08:58
@rightfold :3 btw your patch is ready (for LS) but my make segfaults so lol.
@sehe Which doesn't answer the second part of my question, the one about your writing
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@Ven yeah I saw it.
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery I don't care about that part. So, can you explain "YOU WANT THE REP" by now? :)
Dots and slashes delimit drives, folders, filenames, extensions. Spaces don't delimit anything fileSystem-ery. There is no intrinsic reasom to prohibit them in file specs.
@sehe I thought it was your answer (I didn't click :p)
09:01
can't wait until Halo later
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery pffffft. way to dodge the point for 16 minutes :)
@sehe my specialty~
@MartinJames nobody does! There are intrinsic reasons, though, to discourage them in shell scripts. Now, you might be able to spot the relation between specifying names in shell scripts, and the names by which they exist on disk. (I'll wait)
because spaces separate argumeeeeeents
People are terrible and there's a lot of software broken by spaces in filenames
09:05
Good morning cat!
I don't know how you can manage that, but there you go
Had a good night?
Sure sound like typical Cat this morning, your first three words being "People are terrible" :)
@nightcracker It's a markov chain, the Cat is still sleeping
09:07
dear god
hackernews quality has dropped
implying it was good at some point
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery you really fffucked that up, @Jefffrey
@LightnessRacesinOrbit can't edit, you fffucker
09:08
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery no?
What is it?
@nightcracker well that didn't take long
I wanna see it :v
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery the real number line goes to infinitity on both ends
Meh. Since I stopped writing 'command lines' a long time ago, I don't care if parsing them is 'awkward' if spaces are used in file spec arguments. I think it's hilarious that users have to put quotes or double-quotes round such arguments, so promoting quotes to 'special characters' and, then in case there are quotes in the argument, they have to be escaped my multiple quotes, so promoting consecutive quotes to a 'special character sequence', and so it goes on...
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09:08
@nightcracker nice
@nightcracker Well it depends on whether there is one infinity or two.
@nightcracker looks neat
Shit, my typos are well up this morning.
I guess that, with positive and negative, you have two infinititties.
09:16
I'll allow it.
@nightcracker lol I really want to try viewing that through two mirrors:)
Anyway, wots with all the Jewish shit going on? Have we been infected from the JS room? I guess I should go back and look.
Thanks the help in advanced
you're welcuming
he's probably not cuming until you actually give him the help
I don't even understand the question
the compiler through be low error:
ah yes, it be through low error indeed
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Heh - it's still confusing: 'When I click OK, it does not work' - it doesn't close the app? Morons.
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@Rapptz lol why are lambdas not available.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I actually found that today when searching for that error because I had mismatched runtimes
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm absolutely horrified that is like #1-5 in google
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lal
Most of the front page of HN is Apple related.
09:39
@Rapptz what the actual fuck
@Rapptz Good question.
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Man.
user1804599
Non-in ears are so weird.
What are Non-in ears?
09:44
standard headphones I guess
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A wedding in a Catholic church in the Bronx last weekend took a strange turn when a man was stabbed to death during a fight over the leftovers.

The family of the couple after the ceremony was arguing over who should take.'s Leftover food and tins of paste to take home The 58-year-old Juan Martinez was stabbed several times in the leg by a cousin. He died from his injuries. The New York police have arrested a suspect, reports the New York Post.
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@Rapptz those that are not in-ears.
Oh you mean headphones.
user1804599
With headphones I always imagine those big things.
they're called over ear headphones
they're comfy
user1804599
09:46
I mean this vs this.
ah earbuds.
The former makes my ear hurt
@WilliamAndrewMontgomery Nooooo
You were not supposed to see that.
I wanna see still.
Xeo
Xeo
@Rapptz love 'em
they're like two pillows on my ears
user1804599
09:51
I like in-ears.
user1804599
They don't screw up my haircut.
T mix(T x, T y, T a)

    Returns the linear blend of x and y implemented as: x + (y – x ) * a.
I misread this as "min"
and thought it was a very badly named function lol
I just did too.

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