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21:00
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ouch. I assume the boy died because of lack of intelligence.
Get excited! The #WiiU version of #SmashBros. will be playable with GameCube controllers. http://t.co/nmyj9QMsuU
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lack toast is the worst...
@AndyProwl Well, I think it seems pretty obvious that not being able to compile the code is a serious problem, so if the Standard doesn't allow it to be compiled, then that's pretty defective.
at least, with the common usage of "defect" rather than the official ISO definition of "defect".
But that's just how protected works isn't it?
21:01
@DeadMG So you're saying that any program that is not valid C++ represents a defect in the standard?
@DeadMG oh
yeah
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes. If the puppy wills it to compile :)
@sehe shooting Wide of the mark again
@KerrekSB of course, the stock Lounge answer should have been "don't use *scanf" :)
@sehe Haha
21:10
From the podcast:
> Joel has two very very simple proposals to solve this problem.

When a question gets upvoted by a user with x reputation (or maybe just upvoted), that upvote buys it y more impressions on the front page than the standard rate. Demonstrably good questions get more eyeballs than questions that haven’t been demonstrated to be good.
Users that are relatively trusted by the system get more impressions on the front page for their questions. If you have a couple hundred reputation and you seem like a trusted user, your question gets more eyeballs.
@StackedCrooked :D
@jalf your blog is in some strange language
@StackedCrooked haha
@Rapptz that's like the greatest ne.... nobody cares.
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Perl 6 junctions are so awesome.
@Mysticial nice idea but SO is in such a state right now that people posting shitty questions are already on 5k, 6k in the crap tags
21:13
yeah but that should their rep mean little
@Mysticial This is kind of dumb.
I don't even look at the front page
@Rapptz Many people do, though, and this is where drivel reduction counts
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, only until I next post something.
@Rapptz You don't, but a lot of people do. Most actually - according to staff and some meta question.
Which, given my current frequency should only be, oh, say, 18 months or so?
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21:14
I should start a blog.
I don't see how this would solve the problem at all.
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So I can immediately realize how dumb I sound when talking to myself.
@Rapptz it would solve a problem; two key ones are "bad first impression of the site" and the other one "bad questions sollicit bad questions" (Don't live with broken windows extended to "Look tidy, people will be more careful")
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OH
I see nothing wrong here. Could you post the part of the code that calls the function? — Gliptal 20 secs ago
lol
21:18
@Rapptz Listen to the podcast. They're all debating over it.
I don't listen to podcasts.
watch dogs players are funny
they paid for a game they couldn't play
who can blame them for being unhappy
why they can't play?
the first guy can't log in to uplay
21:21
@AlexM. what
@AlexM. what's that
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Visual C++ team at #Microsoft is hiring! View the latest job description at http://bit.ly/1nHbpAZ. #job
uplay is ubisoft's distribution platform and DRM that goes on top of Steam
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@DeadMG ^^ APPLY AND SAVE US.
@ThePhD "I wouldn't be a good fit for this role, largely because I have a clue what I'm doing."
21:22
lol
not logging in to uplay means you can't play their games
@AlexM. whhhhaaaaat
they would probably not take me
how fucked up is that
why would you do that
ISTR something about them wanting master's degrees
21:22
i mean
user3010322
Oh, wait.
> 4 year Computer Science/Engineering degree or 3-4 years of industry experience developing C++ applications.
user3010322
That job description is a bunch of crap.
user3010322
It's for Program Manager
Required Basic Qualifications:
• 8+ years of experience in software development
• 4+ years of experience shipping high quality software through all phases of the product cycle
• Good knowledge of C++ language, libraries and development environments
yeah
user3010322
21:23
PM's aren't devs. :c
Senior Program Manager, who will build tools
no wonder their software's awful
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wait what?
@BartekBanachewicz what?
so 4 year degree is worth 4 years of experience for them?
I mean it's good that they take w/o a degree, but still
4 year degree is worth shit if you are to be working as a programmer
@BartekBanachewicz It's not like they look at your CV and go "okay, great! when can you start?"
They're just trying to keep the interview schedules reasonably feasible
21:25
okay.
Note though that I'm not disagreeing with what you've said; on its own merits I think you're absolutely right.
It's just that it's not all that relevant.
"Dear" "software" "developers", you are fucking worthless. Sincerely, a user trying to use your fucking software without waiting 5 minutes for it to fucking start after a fucking windows fucking reboot.
lol you don't even get the program manager job if you search for VC++
Chill out, @Griwes. Go get some ICE.
Yeah, sure. Maybe a fucking worthless pop-up that for some fucking reason drops me out of my fucking full-screen game?
21:27
@DeadMG I think you don't really understand what a "program manager" is.
Xeo
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> high quality software
@BartekBanachewicz Well, you'd assume that the program manager for Visual C++ is under the Visual C++ product.
@DeadMG ah for Visual C++.
This Stepanov video series is pretty cool
ahaha
You need to make the board 3x3, not 2x2: char board[3][3];ooga 14 mins ago
in Tic Tac Toe question
he just won the internets
oh wait
SOMEBODY even answered that question
21:33
uint16 will do I suck at tic tac toe.
it has 3 states per field, giving 3^9
Yes, but not all 3^9 states are possible
:P
meh, even then
log(2,3^9) is ~14.1 < 15
space-optimized tic-tac-toe
well, now that I think about it...
how much could you compress it?
21:37
it's got to the point now where i'm playing halo because my xbox gets really warm and heats my office. should get this boiler fixed really
@StackedCrooked you need at least 2 bits for rotation of the board.
rotation of the board is part of game state?
not for the PC, yes for the player
you don't want to place an X in the bottom right and see it appear in the top left next turn
you could enumerate all possible states
anyway, that's just 2 bits, what then
@StackedCrooked yeah, how many are there?
21:38
42
j/k
you'd need to perform alpha-beta reduction I think I'm dumb
I'm not good at this kind of math.
I theoretically got B at that.
The first move has 9 options, the second only 8, ...
yes, so it's capped at 4x9!
wait uh
21:40
9*8*7*6 ... but that does not take in account that the game stops once there is a winner
that's not possible
4x9! is more than 3^9
We need @Rapptz for this.
or it's not and I can't wolfram
> Microsoft’s smartwatch will reportedly work with Android and iOS, monitor your heart rate
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, that ! was not an exclamation mark.
21:41
what's up with heart rate monitoring nowadays
4x9! is ~1.45e6
I wonder if it will become the next camera-on-phone
I'm sure back when cameras on phones were introduced people were also like "why the hell would you want a camera on your phone"
3^9 is 1.9e4
@AlexM. I'm not up to date :)
21:42
@BartekBanachewicz lol
am I that dumb already :/
what's going on
@AlexM. Why the hell would you want to carry a phone all the time :)
the university has dumbed me
HALP
@StackedCrooked why the hell would you want to use something other than messenger pigeons
oh fuck right
@StackedCrooked you made me go in the wrong direction!
9! is the number of games, not game states
21:44
You know when somebody does not have the talent for programming if he decides to use char[2][2] for the tic-tac-toe game board.
okey so 3^9 is the upper bound
@AlexM. pigeons shit a lot
I think it would be best if you enumerated all states alright
it's easy!
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Should Lounge<Chat> client be an actual application you put on a PC?
first, remove all with winning condition on the diagonal or the side
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21:46
Or should it just be in The Web?
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I've always wondered.
buuut
we already count the rotation
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Sometimes I feel like an actual PC application would be p. cool.
so that's 3^6 * 2
@ThePhD it should be a Java applet.
user3010322
21:48
u.u;
3^6 * 2, but *2 again because X or O
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I'm asking seerioussslllyyy.
Ok Silverlight.
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:|
user3010322
You're a cruel, cruel person.
21:48
ah, dang it. that gives 14.03
so I haven't improved anything yet
@ThePhD It should be primarily a web service.
well, let's remove all states with more Os than Xs
lol
got owned by my own temporary destruction semantics.
@ThePhD And there must be a browser client.
and all states where number of Xs is greater than Os by more than 1
21:49
Desktop client is nice extra.
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@StackedCrooked ~Sigh~
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I hate the web, though.
spent an hour trying to figure out why this test was bugged... turns out the test program would only function if temporary lifetime was full-expression like C++
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I hate programming for it, dealing with all the versions, all the tiny CSS hacks..
then don't do it
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Maybe I'll let rightfold do it or something...
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Oh well.
He will never finish.
user3010322
Oh well.
21:52
I think it would be faster if I used a program tbh
and I can't write it in anything but haskell because honour
UK faggot
data Field = Empty | White | Black deriving (Eq, Ord, Show)
data Board = [Field]
halfway done.
@StackedCrooked So tempted...
Xeo
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I think you still have access to my Triples code :D
Xeo
Xeo
Oops, midnight.
Xeo
Xeo
nighty night
21:59
night
Bye. Learn to spell, fuckers.
"fuckers"
How did I do?
shoulda been spelled "your face is a fucker"
hmm
those sneaky LLVM fuckers optimize my code even if I don't ask them to.
22:22
that's not very optimal
AFAIK in GCC -O0 still performs copy/move elision.
Although, those are not really compiler optimizations.
The optimizer is probably not involved in it.
When cat was talking about developing immutable classes, was he kidding?
Does this "idea" have a name? Can I look it up?
@StackedCrooked Well, IMO, you can divide between compiler optimizations, and compiler simplifications.
and the divide is pretty clear- a simplification makes the resulting output easier to read, and an optimization makes it harder.
@Jefffrey no
@Jefffrey immutability
22:27
I've got a few simplifications in Wide already where I generate better code that's easier to read
output of optimized program can be easier to read (e.g. if the entire program is optimized away)
lol
sure, but that doesn't explain why the program is broken such that the optimizer optimized it to the wrong result :P
fortunately, incorrect code generation is a pretty rare bug in the Wide compiler.
welp implemented boolean short-circuiting so my new feature thing is done for the night
22:49
@StackedCrooked Depends. Sometimes all the unnecessary instructions in unoptimized code make it even more unreadable.
@DeadMG because it doesn't generate any code?
lol
Like this?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit > This question appears to be off-topic because it is about recruiting debugging staff. – Lightness Races in Orbit 3 mins ago
LOL
@Mysticial yea along those lines
.
@40two :)
for everyone else:
This question appears to be off-topic because it is about recruiting debugging staff. — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 mins ago
22:58
Just stumbled upon this conversation. Made me laugh.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yet you answered, what a kind soul you are.
> This question appears to be off-topic because you are a bad person and you should feel bad.
@40two Changed my mind in the end. I shouldn't have answered it. Deleted it afterwards.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I couldn't help it LOL LOL stackoverflow.com/questions/23944386/…
@thatotherguy: mumble bumble stumble not very meaningful your writing is. it's certainly fine if you're now backing down. but you're adding question with the very questionable assumption that i'm disputing a part of the documentation that i pointed you to. i don't know, it sounds like rubbish. anyway, take a look at (opensource.apple.com/source/Libc/Libc-320/include/sysexits.h). think about why such standardization attempt was made. do you think that list was made because exit codes are only used as binary success/failure indication? — Cheers and hth. - Alf 4 hours ago
@40two :)
23:09
Goodnight to you all, and @LightnessRacesinOrbit thanks for the laugh :)
> Personally, I’m a fan of C, Haskell, and Scheme.
Hmm.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf I am trying to solve the problem which I have explained by the code I have mentioned which is not working. — debonair yesterday
lol
great response to XY claims
@40two sweet dreams
@Jefffrey C, I reckon he's just scheming, because nobody trustworthy is a fan of Haskell.
23:24
that alf guy always seems so angry
It's one of the better anime this season as well.
omg there's a second Halo 4 soundtrack
YIPPEEEEEE!!!!!!
so much good music that didn't make it onto the first one
& one year later I discover this
23:41
Life is good.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In a stormy night, with thunder and lightning outside, closed in your dark room in from of the computer, you will feel the need to see what this "functional programming" is all about. You will read few articles that will barely make sense, and then you'll read the Haskell's wikipedia page. Initially, you'll look at that hello world program with a disgusted face; then a thrill will travel your back. A flash has just past your mind. You are enlightened.
So you'll read, books and articles, on Haskell. You will realize how elegantly some problems have been solved. You will even become to think a God must exists. And that, that is just the beginning. You have been faced with the beauty, but you can't touch it. You can't just walk in the Lounge and admit your mistake. You have to hide from everybody, while tasting the forbidden fruit.
yuck
FWIW I did learn the basics and worked with them for a while, back in my academic days
The first few weeks will be ok, then the anxiety will come along. Your chest will shrink. Every breath you take will burn. The stink, of your own body abandoning you, will pervade your nose. Your disrupted health is reflecting your own mind status: you are a prisoner of your own self. Some day you'll think about death as your only choice. But you'll regret the thought immediately.
and some of the world's leaders in FP were my teachers (not kidding)
sorry, interrupted you
"Only losers give up!" you've always thought. Day by day the idea will slowly soak your brain, tucking all your sore nerves. A week later the pain is just plain unbearable. It's a stormy night again. You appreaciate the irony.
Some tears slip on your exasperated smile. Your wet eyes staring at that hello world page. You close your eyes and a huge drop of tears infiltrates your mouth. It's salty, but it's better than the metallic taste you are currently relishing. Another lightning outside. It's time.
23:50
instead of shooting you, which is what I meant to do
You kick the chair.
Darkness.
Now watching anime about evil unicorns.
sounds nice
Darkness Rests in the Obituary column
Time to wash my teeth.
is that my little pony: black edition?
-.-
my little uniporn
2
the best kind of pony was always the nightmare in homm
is a Japanese light novel series written by Ichirō Sakaki and illustrated by Namaniku ATK. As of April 19, 2014, nine volumes have been published by Fujimi Shobo under their Fujimi Fantasia Bunko imprint. It has been adapted into three manga series. An anime adaptation was announced on July 2013. A second season will begin airing in October 2, 2014. Plot 5 years ago, the 200 year war between the alliance of six nations and the Gaz Empire comes to an end when Emperor Arthur Gaz, the Immortal Emperor of the Gaz Empire, is finally killed by eight warriors known as the Eight Heroes. ...
23:58
main char looks kawaii enough
might try it
I'm currently watching the first ep. So I can't recommend it yet.
alright nighty night

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