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22:00
The profiler did show a lot of bottlenecks at first.
But after you fix those it becomes harder to find relevant info.
But I am sure my code could be way faster than it is now.
At home, using in-memory emulation of a simple network I can get 20G TCP.
@StackedCrooked Ahaha. I do - maybe often uselessly. It's habit :|
On a multi CPU machine at work (16 cores) I only get 5G.
@StackedCrooked Nice. Measuring is good
However, that machine can handle multiple concurrent flows better.
> Actually, you can't, although the reason why is extremely subtle. The problem is that current_exception() doesn't actually tell you whether you're being destroyed due to EH unwinding or ordinary destruction. It's possible for an object to be destroyed normally while an exception is in flight and current_exception() returns true - for example, when an object destroyed by EH unwinding calls an ordinary function with local variables that are destroyed normally
^ that page has quite some interesting nuggets like this one by STL
22:05
@sehe I also have an option to generate a PCAP file. It makes the traffic 10x slower due to disk writes. However, I still have to limit the test to 2-3 seconds otherwise I end up with a pcap file of over 1 GB :)
Gigabit Internet is fast.
> Use Erlang or Go Rust
@StackedCrooked Pff, get a 4tb hard drive, problem solved ;)
@StackedCrooked Ring buffers :D
@Borgleader Well, opening the file in Wireshark is the problem.
Then, don't :) Wireshark has a CLI interface no?
22:07
@sehe Yeah, I'm starting to use those more.
I can use tcpdump to capture on a network interface. But I'm no wizard when it comes to that.
My colleagues are though.
@JerryCoffin So apparently, the official NHL rules say that fighting it allowed, but both players must drop their sticks.
IOW, the rulebook explicitly allows fighting.
:\ anyone wanna check out a bug real quick? Probably missing something stupid. Again.
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@sehe I know a Dries Lambrechts. :v
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But he is like … 10 years old.
@rightfold cool, a child prodigy
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22:16
Francis mag ik bij jou werken
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I just though the room title was Lounge<Wilders> but I read it wrong.
@rightfold lol
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Willen jullie meer of minder C++?
MINDER! MINDER! MINDER! MINDER!
Oracle Studio 12.4 Beta release with C++11 http://bit.ly/O0GEZn
Huh?
22:18
Gosh more people are >trying< to use Asio here stackoverflow.com/a/22750561/85371
@StackedCrooked 3-4 days old news
I have never heard Oracle Studio before.
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Oracle Studio doesn’t make sound.
@StackedCrooked It's SUN's compiler. But Oracle relabeled it of course (Oracle bought Sun, so they now own Java, Solaris Studio, Solaris etc.)
Ah, sun cc
> This changed with the mailing after Issaquah, there is a very good and detailed paper now available: N3951
oh dear.
22:21
does anyone know if an NFA is only supposed to accept if the entire string is matched?
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@sehe Dan gaan we dat regelen.
@rightfold :)
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Weg met dat tuig!
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MINDER BELGEN!
@sehe oh lol
22:24
Ja maar, ze zijn zo schattig
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Wacht, Belgen spreken ten minste Nederlands.
you're a rant
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Cool Pascal.
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22:29
Which reminds me; I should learn Pascal.
hah
just tells you he's spent fuck all time on each of those technologies.
@wyas I shuffled your code into a form that looks about what you wanted, and runs clean. I'm not saying it does much, but hey :) — sehe 18 secs ago
@Griwes Pretty similar to my CV actually
But I graduated from embedded :)
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My CV is empty. :D
Does it include "C++Builder from 1997"? :D
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A year of work experience. :V
22:40
@DeadMG What, 20 years not enough?
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Oh wait, I went to college too.
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Should put that on my CV.
I think that I would be afraid to put that in in 2014.
@Griwes I've used the versions of Borland C++ before builder. And yes I think I've used Builder for 1 month in 1998.
@Griwes Me too :)
@sehe Well, if he's been doing C++ since 1996, then 20 years on the rest combined probably predates many of those technologies. Even if he did spend 20 years on them, there's still 15 technologies in the list aside from C, C++, STL and C++Builder.
22:43
I'm going to sleep. Night all
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tto ziesn
I guess that I don't want to characterize a year each as "fuck all", merely pointing out that three years for every technology on the list is more than his working lifespan. Or even two years.
is the Japanese word for pufferfish and the dish prepared from it, normally species of genus Takifugu, Lagocephalus, or Sphoeroides, or porcupinefish of the genus Diodon. Fugu can be lethally poisonous due to its tetrodotoxin; therefore, it must be carefully prepared to remove toxic parts and to avoid contaminating the meat. The restaurant preparation of fugu is strictly controlled by law in Japan and several other countries, and only chefs who have qualified through rigorous training are allowed to deal with the fish. Domestic preparation occasionally leads to accidental death. Fugu i...
> Since 1958, fugu chefs must also earn a license to prepare and sell fugu to the public. This involves a two- or three-year apprenticeship. The licensing examination process consists of a written test, a fish-identification test, and a practical test, preparing and eating the fish. Only about 35 percent of the applicants pass.[6] Small miscalculations result in failure or, in rare cases, death. Consumers believe that this training process makes it safer to eat fugu in restaurants or markets.
fugu is serious business
Why eat it then.
@DeadMG Oh well. You don't do much work then, I assume. I've done perl, Java 1.4-6, C# (a lot), VB6, used MSVC++ in VS6, VS2003,2005,2008,2010 with/without MFC, DCOM, Corba, Oracle, SqlServer, all on Linux, AIX 5.3, Sun, HP/UX, Windoses. And yes, that includes learning how to configure IIS, Apache, Mongrel and to write XSLT stylesheets that work with IE6+ or that work with libxml2 (not the same features) etc. etc.
Yes this includes talking to IBM Websphere MQ, MSMQ services and various blends of SOAP. In short: many many many things, too much to list. The trouble is, you don't want to do all these things, but they do "symbolize" experience.
22:48
do you list them all on your resume?
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@sehe Every windose is an overdose.
@DeadMG Mmm. I think I /did/. My previous employer made money off having widely deployable "consultants".
Not when I applied for my current job (I trimmed it down, although I'm pretty sure it will probably have looked the same to you)
yeah right
new europe = Sicily
22:50
old std = Syphilis;
@sehe Do you know lot about COM?
not rightfold = so silly
@StackedCrooked I'm not sure it's still "paraat", but yes.
I once needed to use COM for one of my projects.
COM is Love
cough
22:51
what's COM?
I thought that I would figure it out by looking at a few code samples.
But I was wrong.
@Jefffrey Please google it
The only thing I've ever used Java for is to get an extra bronze badge on SO.
right, I shall google "COM"
Component Object Model (COM) is a binary-interface standard for software components introduced by Microsoft in 1993. It is used to enable interprocess communication and dynamic object creation in a large range of programming languages. COM is the basis for several other Microsoft technologies and frameworks, including OLE, OLE Automation, ActiveX, COM+, DCOM, the Windows shell, DirectX, and Windows Runtime. Overview The essence of COM is a language-neutral way of implementing objects that can be used in environments different from the one in which they were created, even across machine ...
22:52
@StackedCrooked Yeah, it's doable if you take the right code samples
Eventually I found some code in the Google Gears codebase that did exactly what I needed.
...
So I used that :)
Sweet, what did it do? (inb4 Browser ActiveX)
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I should try more non-C–non-ML–non-Lisp-like languages.
I used COM automation to shove test results into Excel and so generate nice graphs in 'real-time'.
It's been a while. Let me think...
22:55
@rightfold You mean, haskell, malbolge, prolog, cobol and nemerle? And boo and F# (<-- too ML? dunno) and assembly?
@Borgleader I see
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IMO Haskell is ML-like.
How long till @rightfold has tried every (reasonable) language in existence?
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I.e. it’s a non-Lisp functional language. :P
@StackedCrooked I kinda asked myself that too
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22:56
Malbolge is too low-level for my taste.
I'm sure it's not that much better than just about any other fish
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I already tried Prolog.
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I already tried COBOL.
@MartinJames Hah. I was still in DDE land when we did that. Driving excel sheets directly from a satelite link. This was ~1999, and realtime trading was still a very new/closed field (traders were suspicious and intent on keeping their spreadsheets)
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I have never heared of Nemerle.
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22:57
F# I have written software in for work.
^ time to change that
I was looking at frogs on wikipedia and found about frogs that adapted to living underground, and saw a purple frog (actual name) there
that has to be the ugliest animal I've ever seen
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Assembly is too low-level.
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Dunno about Boo.
Boo is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Syntactic macros in a CLR language. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
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22:57
Wasn’t Nemerle like Smalltalk?
@rightfold Nope. More like Boo meets F# IIRC - I'm bad at language classifications.
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I really want to try Pascal or Modula-2.
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Oberon (which is similar they say) is like … completely undocumented.
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But after a lot of pain I could get the ancient compiler to work!
wut. Oh yeah, I was going to go to bed
@rightfold Modula-2 trumps Pascal, but TurboPascal -> Delphi is saner.
23:00
@sehe Yeah. I was testing routers. In the progress meetings, it was fun to mouse up the sheets with the red line precipitously dropping to zero and watch the developers facepalm:)
@rightfold I know: try Eiffel!
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@sehe I tried that
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Could not get any implementation to work. :c
You suck
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I also want to try Smalltalk or Newsqueak Newspeak.
23:02
@sehe IIRC I needed an HTML window. This was relatively easy to achieve with MFC but, I was using Express Edition. I found some stuff in Gears and also in ATL for this. I vaguely remember things like CAxWindow2, IWebBrowser2, ...
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@sehe I am extremely interested in Eiffel. What implementation did you use?
Also that was when Vista appeared and everything become much more complicated.
@StackedCrooked So I called it :)
I must say ATL is exceptionally nice for COM
@sehe I would not want to go back to straight Pascal, ie, with no OO. I have to have my classes:)
@rightfold I don't think I ever did. And if I did, it was just the standard example.
@MartinJames I have to have my glasses :)
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23:04
Oh cool, Ideone supports Pascal. :)
@sehe Good idea - my beer fridge is stocked up again:) I'll have a can of Directors.
bloed, zweet en tranen
@rightfold what about lisaac.org or julialang.org
@StackedCrooked Aarggghh - a wndproc in the Lounge!
void executeJavascript(const std::string & inCode)
I'm still proud of that :P
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23:07
@StackedCrooked Uppercase S please.
FUCK YOU
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APL is also nice, by the way.
sup all
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@StackedCrooked Lowercase U, C, K, Y, and O please.
@rightfold ok
As long as it's not the S.
23:08
@psj01 I would like to try, but that's 12 cans of Directors. I'm pretty sure I could not sup all that in one session.
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How would you feel when I called you stackedCrooked?
I would feel raped.
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@stackedCrooked *rape rape rape*
@StackedCrooked That's pretty clean. It's just consuming objects, there, seems? The fun would start if you wrote an object from scratch implementing, say, IDispatch, IMyObject and more than one IEventSource sink interface
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@sehe I will start with Pascal or Modula. :v
23:09
@StackedCrooked nice indeed
It was a browser plugin and it worked on the currently loaded page :)
Nut bad.
Oh, wait, no, the HTMLTransientWindow was not specifically tied to the browser.
It just emulated a menu popup.
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I like languages that are immensely simple.
Xeo
Xeo
oh damn, past 1am already
23:11
28 mins ago, by sehe
I'm going to sleep. Night all
@MartinJames Vim!
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/daknok
@psj01 I never did ask him about that
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe You lead, I follow
@rightfold /nokdak
@Xeo uhoh
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23:12
As for Styx by teh way.
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Not sure how I want generics.
Xeo
Xeo
@sehe should I interpret that to mean I'm not getting any sleep tonight?
@Xeo lol. That could be construed to mean horrific things in this context. But yeah, statistically it'll take another 2.5 hours
Xeo
Xeo
Okay, I'll lead then, you follow whenever.
I want to code something
Xeo
Xeo
23:14
g'night
Looking back at my old code I feel like I was more capable back then.
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func Print[t <: str.Stringer] (x: t) { x |> str.To |> io.Write io.Stdout } would be nice.
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Could also go the template route instead.
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This particular example is pointless by the way, since you could just as well do func Print (x: str.Stringer) { … }.
@StackedCrooked Funny how that works. I sometimes have the same feeling. Maybe it's this effect: knowing too much
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Generic types are more interesting.
@sehe I recognize that, but that's a recent phenomenon to me.
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And generic multimethods in particular.
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In fact, I could do templates even with dynamic dispatch.
The paralysis? I don't often get it. It's a lack of foresight on my part. But I do meticulously avoid making any inadvertant decisions. So, all my library choices will remain templated - not compilation firewalled (because you can always add the firewall, but you can't un-abstract the facade)
@rightfold and always show a dialog box to the programmer: "Which overload did you want" (pick one of 132)
@Griwes Hahaha wat, human centipede?
Alright, time for One Piece ep 638 :P
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I know.
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@sehe Actually. :P
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23:23
If you call a multimethod with an argument that has an interface type, it will do dynamic dispatch. If you omit an implementation you will get an error.
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But if the multimethod takes multiple parameters that can be overloaded on, you get an error containing all possible overloads you didn’t implement!
@StackedCrooked So... Does the hat guy ever find the lost treasure? Or was it just all a hoax and "The best treasure is the adventure itself"?
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I’m not sure at all of generics, anyway.
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They are kinda suck with multimethods (albeit quite possible).
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And I want Map to be a multimethod, but also generic.
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23:28
meth Map[t, u] (f: t -> u) coll // how to specify return type?

impl Map[t, u] (f: t -> u) (coll: Array[t]): Array[u] { … }
impl Map[t, u] (f: t -> u) (coll: List[t]): List[u] { … }
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I could specify the return type to be an interface type like Seq[u].
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Overloads can use more-derived types, obviously.
@rightfold I see you like drugs.
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Lines up nicely with impl and func. vOv
is meth a keyword?
23:31
Letter shortage
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@Jefffrey Yes. :3
@Jefffrey rightfold's code is breaking bad.
I like his style
@rightfold and meth stands for "method", why not just func?
23:48
@Nican Currently they have travelled about 60% of the distance..
whats the benefit of having high reputation in SO?
@Jermimbilal You can put high bounties on a question ?
maghrebi?
@Jermimbilal جارك
23:57
:)
@Jermimbilal some people have been reached for job contracts because of SO's reputation

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