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19:00
@JavierDiaz ahahahahahahahah
I have been meaning to ask, but could someone make me roomowner there ? The room owners are almost never there ...
I could do (apparently) but I won't
@HamZa Well, only the room owners can do that, and if they aren't there.... :p
didn't even know that room exists but I own it
5
puppy so influential!
19:01
@jalf The owners list is all Lounge regulars, as far as I can see.
@jalf They are regulars here but I'm too shy to ask. I mean does a php guy like me deserve to be a roomowner ?
oh it's just bartek and lrio, not me.
@jalf I think there's an automatic adoption system in place.
puppy no longer influential!
@DeadMG Yeah
19:03
@HamZa Well, you tell us. Does a php guy deserve to be a room owner? :p
@jalf hahahaha (facepalm)
Meh, I mean roomowner of a C++ room :P
Anyways, I'm keeping it alive for the moment ...
eh
just take it off life support.
If the only person who uses the C++ room is a PHP guy, it's not much of a C++ room, is it?
If a C++ room falls in the forest, and there are no C++ programmers to hear it...
I want to start coding in C++ but school projects are telling me to do something else
it totally does make a sound but nobody cares
:P
19:07
an old client of mine who gave me hell and disappeared on me w/o paying is now apparently an "UI/UX designer" lol
but the fun part is, he has clients disappearing on him w/o paying
karma's such a bitch eh
heh
how can he disappear and not pay, sign something prior to actually doing any work for him?
wtf
lua 5.1+ modules are pretty bad
:(
@ScarletAmaranth the joys of oDesk
glad I actually abandoned that shit of a hole
or was it shithole
w/e
> i was contacted by a old client to do a rush job. I got the job done a week early set it to her she said it was perfect than she disappeared for two weeks. then emiled me and said she would end the assignment work was perfect and thank you. but she never did and it's been a month since ive finished with no payment. the job was for 180 what should i do
haha, deja vu all the way
well, that's what you get for not writing up a contract of sorts, vOv
19:11
I guess
unless, of course, you know the person for whom you're doing the job
I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be an asshole to you as I udnerstand you've spent time working for free, but this world is messed up, it's either black on white or nothing
I didn't really think you were trying to be an asshole
you're sorta right
and these issues are nonexistant to me anymore since I went to work at a local company
so I'm mostly amused by the guy's situation
and how he gets treated the same way he treated me back then
it takes little to no time to write something up, get a lawyer, put something together and re-use forever; it doesn't have to be a bulletproof contract of godlike epicness, just something that's not worth suing for over 300$
I was 16 or sth back then mate, I didn't know about stuff like that
vOv, fair enough
19:17
not even sure we had a lawyer in my hometown now that you mention it
evening
evening
evenin'
so, I'm studying RSA and other cool crypting algorithms
pretty interesting stuff
19:33
Some guys delete main.cpp on Coliru, create a directory with the same name and share that.
Now my archives contains entries where main.cpp is a directory..
How queer.
$ find . -type d -name main.cpp |  wc -l
103
vs files
$ find . -type f -name main.cpp |  wc -l
10685
@StackedCrooked is that causing problems?
Not really, it just confused me for a second.
It might mess up some of my maintenance scripts..
@Jefffrey Studying RSA? And what did you do with the other 45 minutes of that hour? :-)
so wit i dont get it -.-;
19:41
@JerryCoffin had dinner ;)
@Borgleader Once you strip out the stuff to handle bignums and such, an implementation of RSA works out to less than a dozen lines of code.
I suppose "less than a dozen" might be exaggerating a little, but using a bignum library that overloads normal arithmetic operators, certainly no more than a couple dozen or so.
According to this graph sorted vector should be used for in-order traversal and set for "look-up keys" I often use std::set for in-order traversal, and std::map for lookup.
Using std::set for lookup seems silly because the thing you are looking up is the thing you use to look it up.
@StackedCrooked I agree with the first part (in fact its rather cptn obv) but I'm not so sure about the key lookup =/
19:52
found 0 outliers among 100 samples (0%)
variance is severely inflated by outliers
Variance is severely inflated by nonexistant outliers?
@StackedCrooked sorted vector is a micro-optimization really.
@StackedCrooked I'd agree it's poorly worded. But, you can/do use a std::set to look up a key to see whether it's present in a collection.
Hm, I guess I've never used std::set for what it's supposed to do.
@StackedCrooked I don't know about whether that's the primary/sole thing it's supposed to do/support, but you certainly can use it for that (and I have). If that's your primary intent, unordered_set is probably a better choice though (assuming it's available).
19:57
I've used it that way frequently.
it's a set, and that's an operation sets support.
Just for one example (that I've used), consider indexing text files, where you want to ignore "noise" words ("a", "an", "the", etc.). In this case, you typically read a word, then check whether that word is on the list of noise words before adding it to the index.
To support that, you put your noise words in a [unordered_]set, and check each word for membership in that set as you read it.
I think of that as a set's main purpose. I don't traverse a set expecting any order at all (even though I know there is one, I treat it as an irrelevant implementation detail). I only ever iterate over a set if I want to, like, print everything in it or something.
(no longer dis)
seriously though, possible cause vOv
20:12
yeah I know, I've heard about that shit (pun not intended)
been checked for it?
Friends?
"microbial gut imbalance" is not currently science at the stage where there is an available check.
have you been taking anti-biotics?
or were you?
no.
20:15
ever?
I have taken a few but not since this started
@DeadMG The relevant time frame would (apparently) be "shortly before this started."
in which case, the answer is still no
it was years before
besides, the microbial imbalance stuff is not ready for clinical treatment just yet
I feel that I just walked into a strange conversation.
@ValekHalfHeart If you expected something else, you're clearly in the wrong place.
20:22
@JerryCoffin I never said it was a bad thing.
@ValekHalfHeart Nor did I say you should. Only that strange conversations should be expected here.
@JerryCoffin Excellent!
I don't think many of us really consider it that strange any more :S
:\ anyone good at spotting stupid mistakes in code? I think I am making one
@thecoshman You've simply become inured to its strangeness.
20:25
@Crow Try me.
@Crow shoot
cool, Youtube has 2160p as well.
@Crow Sure. How 'bout if I save the trouble of reviewing it: "Your code has a stupid mistake."
oooh, fancy
ah alas, it is in python; but in my main method, it seems to catch that 0 is an invalid code after a while, particularly after the program I load into memory "completes". github.com/DarkCrowz/OSI/blob/master/MTOPS/mtops.py
20:28
@StackedCrooked Bust all the bandwidth caps!
What's the stupidest programming mistake anyone here has ever made?
@ValekHalfHeart learning C++
@ValekHalfHeart thinking I wouldn't do a stupid mistake when <insert attempt here>
@ValekHalfHeart Spending 20 minutes swearing at the computer because I was compiling one file, but editing a different one.
20:31
@JerryCoffin Lol, I did that just yesterday! I was so confused about how two programs with different source code and different runtime behavior had the same assembly!
@JerryCoffin Oh I've done that =/
I had moved the files and forgot to close them in Sublime Text so it just recreated them in their original location, but I was compiling the files in the new location
@Borgleader Exactly what I did (modulo the precise editor in question).
:D so good
@Jermimbilal I'm scared to click...
20:39
you better not to.
I have to....
that is the most weird sh*t i have ever seen.
okay, SORT of found it and it was very stupid
the director of that movie must be a C++ programmer
@Jermimbilal I'm not sure
20:43
my amp is here
I could prolly write a lot of words about it
but one will suffice: LOUD
@Jermimbilal More likely a malbolge programmer
i see a lot of new faces here
That was very, very strange in so many ways
2 hours ago, by Javier Diaz
Hey weirdos
So is this place just a celebration of strangeness or what?
20:52
Oh, for fuck's sake India. Seriously? You remake 24's first season in Hindi, then name the upcoming second season "24: Live Another Day"? Guess what the real 24's ninth season, also due this year, is called?
"Live another day"?
How did I guess?
hey guys, i'm implementing some graphics stuff with c++, actually i'm preparing for making a 3D game,
check it out here:
20:56
oh wow, cs_assault
yeah, i took cs_assault obj file map and loaded it into my program
:D
happy memories
@Jermimbilal very nice
Is that C++ in eclipse? :O
20:59
Thats eclipse? o.O I mistook it for XCode lol
it looks so different on Mac
Good Job Jermin
I'm having the hardest time of my life compiling C in Eclipse :(
it looks better now with a theme i installed lately
@user3335040 i believe it's about as hard as outside eclipse - makefiles
Me too. Spent 8 months trying to set up CDT before I said "fuck it" and started using Dev again.
@Jermimbilal Hehe. That is so weird. But it does not surprise me that much knowing it is from Japan. :D
21:01
Eclipse manages make files for you
@Jermimbilal Which theme is that? (Having to use Eclipse for JDT at work)
Yeah the makefile is easy but I get "Cannot find binaries" error
And I've started everything
So VIM and terminal FTW!
Moonrise (standalone)
@user3335040 That always trumps anything
@Jermimbilal installing tomorrow
you need to build the program, then go to run configuration and select the generated binary
@ValekHalfHeart didn't get what you said
21:03
@Jermimbilal What is that, the 1.6 version?
@Jermimbilal I couldn't get eclipse to talk to MinGW. No matter how I fiddled with the path variable or changed settings it could find g++.
@sehe I noticed who ever made that cares little for Ireland :P
@Jermimbilal In the video.
21:18
@DeadMG if you are talking about eclipse that's Kepler 2.0
no I was talking about cs_assault.
that looks like the version from CS 1.6
that's an obj file map for cs_assault i found on the net
this is exactly it
try finding one from a more recent cs_assault.
i stopped working on that project, i'm just learning now, i also made this
@Jermimbilal I started making a MC thing in Unity, I should get back to that
21:22
Hi
is there any mod here?
I keep starting projects and dropping them to start other ones T_T
that's the same thing happening to me
@Revious Mods usually dont hang out here unless we've been naughty
when my program gets more complicated i just delete it and start a new one
Xeo
Xeo
@Borgleader hello rightfold, new nick?
21:23
@Borgleader: ahah :D
and where can I find a mod?
@Xeo Don't call me that T_T
@Revious Why do you need a mod in the first place?
I would like to ask him/her an information @Borgleader
you can ask us
dang, LYSE is down for maintenance :(
can moderator disassociate one question from the user profile?
21:24
Sounds like you should use Meta.SO (depending on what you need to know)
@Revious in the tavern. But they're usually conjured with flags on the main site (Stack Overflow)
@Revious Meta should help, or flag the specific question for mod attention
@sehe: thanks, but I'm not sure if a mod can do it or if I need a community moderator
Yes this can be done. In fact it can be done in bulk I think. There' s some piece of policy on never deleting posted content, but it can be dissociated for reasons of privacy
@Revious you can ask questions on meta.stackoverflow.com but depends what you want, that may not be an appropraite action.
@Revious there's no difference. Also, the "first line" can talk to the admins devs if need be.
21:26
ah, ok, thanks
@StackedCrooked Have you used Boost Asio for a while? This will cure it :) Tell them they can't run it on several threads (of course, io_service is thread safe, but hey, there's not a lot of benefit unless (1) you need all cores (2) there's blocking behaviour in the tasks)
4 hours ago, by rightfold
ACTORS
^ that
@sehe Why would I need actors, I'm a programmer not playwright ;)
@StackedCrooked Is Dries Lamberechts a co-worker by any chance xD xD xD ?!?! o.O
@LightnessRacesinOrbit still playing it, after 7 years or so
21:31
@sehe Nope.
But I have a coworker named Dries
Which is a useless thing to say..
@StackedCrooked I asked because someone is trying to go through the Asio tutorials this very moment
@StackedCrooked Yeah. Stop saying useless things. Pfft :)
I have built a new RPC system using asio for the TCP part.
@Borgleader Hint: Playwrights don't need'em either. Directors do :)
But it's entirely hidden with pimpl.
@StackedCrooked Nice.
@StackedCrooked Could be ok. I've hidden my asio implementation, but expose the io_service& - forward declaration is fine there.
21:35
Basically the chat example was sufficient. TCP server + client sessions + request/reply mechanism.
@StackedCrooked That timing chart you showed there (on the pcap/tcpdump output) implied, to me, that tasks were isolated on specific threads. Is there a (good) reason to do that?
My TCP implementation is apart from that though.
@StackedCrooked I'd say, yes. Althought as I understand, auto resolves to durations in the last lines (did you mean .count()?)
YES YES OF COURSE NOW WHAT? YES YES OF COURSE
@StackedCrooked Yeah. Figures. Did you combine the two? If so, how do you manage "completion ports" (do you support poll/epoll/whatnot? do you implement tcp on kernal ip or both?)
21:37
<--- doesn't this look like a nazi symbol? wth
@sehe I did not mean count yet. (I prefer to stay in strongly-typed land as long as possible.)
no? totally does
@user111671 Nope. You can change your avatar, though, so chill :)
@user111671 Why did you ask then
So I'm watching a video of hockey fights. Why don't they hit each other with the stick? Doesn't it hurt more?
21:38
because, @sehe
you are amazing
Why do they have to go at each other with bare fists?
I've got a feeling we've got a roach :)
I think if they broke the sticks somehow, they'd have to pay for them
a roach, an ant
:D
21:38
@Mysticial AFAIk hitting with a stick would be grounds for suspension, where as a fist fight is only a penalty
And nipple salads
@Borgleader this makes more sense though
@sehe The main application is a network-traffic generation tool. Basically a server which the customer can put in the server room and connect to their network setup. That server has the protocolstack. The way to communicate to the server to tell it to start generating traffic is via the boost rpc code. (Mangement interface vs bytebl... interface.)
And why don't headbutt the other guy once they've knocked off his helmet?
If you have a helmet and the other guy doesn't. It's totally in your favor to headbutt him.
@Borgleader ah....
Not gonna name the product here in order to avoid google analytics notifications.. :)
21:41
@Mysticial "Checking" is allowed. "Stick checking" is not. When they fight, it's officially just repeatedly checking each other...
@StackedCrooked "generate traffic" - is it a load testing/stress testing tool o.O?
@sehe The network traffic generation is not via the kernel. It's on a nic in promiscuous mode.
@JerryCoffin ah
@StackedCrooked Ah. So you didn't combine Asio with your tcp stack then
@sehe Yep. Most customers are cable-modem manufacturers.
@sehe No, not really.
21:42
Nice
@StackedCrooked I'd call you crazy if you did :)
@JerryCoffin Whats the "reprimand" for deliberately hitting another player with a hockey stick? (and i dont mean nudging them so they lose control of the puck)
However, if I provided a conventional tcp socket interface then I could make boost asio work on top of it :)
@Borgleader a set of new teeth
@Borgleader If memory serves, it gets into technicalities about whether you hit them with the butt-end of the stick or the blade, how much (if any) injury you caused, etc. I believe it can be anything from a fairly normal 5-minute penalty up to and including immediate loss of the game with suspension and a fine.
It's been a while since I paid much attention to hockey though, so that's probably not entirely dependable.
@sehe It's actually the first project I worked on where performance is critical.
I had never before considered the importance of inlining, for example.
Or the impact of sloppy string concatenations.
21:55
all non-expression-template string concatenations are sloppy.
unless you manually reserve() and such dances.
My initial approach to decoding incoming network packets involved decoder objects that used pimpl. That was slow as hell due to the allocation required per packet per network layer.
yeah owch
It's obvious in hindsight, but it shows how new it was for me.
well I wouldn't worry too much about it, that's what a profiler is for.

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