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10:00 PM
Two compliments today!
1. I love Capybaras
2. I love your current avatar
 
!
now I am worried ... totally unbearish ...
 
> phone: +61-422112278
??
but yes, your avatar is gorgeous
 
yeah right, need to change back to my normal website
 
@Cubbi I am indeed
 
@Jefffrey Such HTML <BR> Much wow :)
 
10:04 PM
ITT Telkitty has become ... popular ... in the Lounge
 
"Guarantee of linked lists: will make students rush to #stackoverflow every semester when they fail miserably to implement one" #loungecpp
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oooh. If that's popular, then you must be a celebrity
 
@sehe I'll remind you that you said that, one day
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Muh. Prove it :)
 
@sehe No need; the court of popular opinion has spoken!
 
I probably said something like "he's an expert" on the main site
 
10:07 PM
@sehe :D :D
 
@Xeo estimate is a fancier word for guess so maybe estimate is fine? Dunno if the corporate speakers think it is fancy and vague enough though.
 
uhoh what did "the #computerworld guy" say o.O
 
@sehe sehe lightness "an expert" site:stackoverflow.com -site:chat.stackoverflow.com doesn't reveal any obvious hits
and I'm not going to iterate all the other possible phrases ;)
 
Start with s/lightness/tomalak
Because it's definitely gun' be from before your temporary breakup with SO
 
aw
am I no longer an expert
Only 6 results overall for sehe tomalak "an expert" site:stackoverflow.com -site:chat.stackoverflow.com
 
user1804599
10:10 PM
A ballcock (also balltap or float valve) is a mechanism or machine for filling water tanks, such as those found in flush toilets, while avoiding overflow and (in the event of low water pressure) backflow. The modern ballcock was invented by José Antonio de Alzate y Ramírez, a Mexican priest and scientist, who described the device in 1790 in the Gaceta de Literatura Méxicana. It consists of a valve connected to a hollow sealed float by means of a lever, mounted near the top of the tank. The float is often ball-shaped, whence the name ballcock. The valve is connected to the incoming water ...
 
user1804599
Dat word.
 
Oh aha. Found it. That's awesome
> I hear you man. I was on a plane recently and was very disappointed that Boeing had taken away my choice to fall out of the plane using doors. Just like Google using HTTPS. I felt violated. Google: you WILL use HTTPS
2
 
TIL jet airplanes use the jet engines for taxiing.
 
@rightfold This is new to you?
 
How the fuck has no one thought that is ridiculously inefficient :S
 
10:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you think they had a three-stroke petrol engine in the undercarriage or something?
 
@sehe WTF is wrong with the OP dude?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I thought they worked the way they are going to fix them now.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a lot more efficient than carrying a second engine on board and having to lug it across vast distances while suspending it in the sky, all for a few minutes' use.
Or dragging planes across busy tarmac with tiny little tugs
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Are you talking out of your arse? Because apparently Boeing and such disagree.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would expect people who know about this more than you do have thought about this.
 
10:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you have a link? Or are you just making random comments
@R.MartinhoFernandes You should consider that "Boeing and such" have done it this way for some six decades.
 
@rightfold That was a bit tongue-in-cheek.
 
usually there's a reason for that in a resource-bound multi-billion dollar industry
 
@VáclavZeman asking the wrong person. Meanwhile:
Is Google overreaching by forcing me to use TLS http://security.stackexchange.com/q/54120/22242?stw=2 #stackexchange > #computerworld by a landslide http://blogs.computerworld.com/privacy/23698/google-customers-you-will-use-https
 
user1804599
Encrypt all HTTP traffic and be done with it.
 
user1804599
10:16 PM
Also email.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think the overriding problem is to get the engine to physically transfer the motion to the landing gear wheels, which are mechanically already extremely challenged, so it would break every other day?
 
There goes any hope of diagnosing application issues using packet capture
 
@sehe I'm sorry but I don't see the problem in forcing HTTPS =/
 
@sehe I'm not disagreeing that, in isolation, it would be a crappy system
 
Oh wow, MSVC is finally going to learn to eliminate unused definitions of inlined functions?
 
10:17 PM
@Borgleader Erm. I think you've missed /some part of/ the point then
 
@sehe Just I think there are some pretty obvious opportunity costs involved
 
Wait. Oppty costs? Language barrier: 1, me: 0
 
When you fix one thing and, in doing so, make another thing 10x worse
 
@jalf They already did, just at the wrong stage of compilation, at least that's what I read into the blog post.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's actually pretty elegant. It's like free functions vs. too many responsibilities in the class :)
 
10:18 PM
@DeadMG yeah, currently they let the linker do it, which is dumb and stupid and lame
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ah
 
I think it comes down to this: the landing gear must be rated to support a plane landing at some significant downward force and at some significant lateral velocity, with an extreme change in wheel spin in a fraction of a second. It can handle chugging along the taxiway for four minutes.
The engine efficiency issue that I think the Robot is more concerned about? Yeah, he's right.
 
@jalf probably had some legacy code that depended on the behaviour that they've just broken.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yup
 
But fixing it makes everything else 10x worse, so it is the most efficient system overall.
my 2p
 
10:19 PM
Also, given that their linker currently takes near-infinite time to run, Amdahls law dictates that the performance improvements they're discussing are going to save a lot of time. :)
@DeadMG Of that I have no doubt
 
@sehe heh, true
 
And to that I say fuck their legacy code. :p
 
tbh I thought little trucks taxied planes, until about three years ago
taxied them out, at least
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They're also very conservative with big changes because things have to be rock solid.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, jets don't work in reverse :P
 
also, if KSP is any indication, jet engines are pretty efficient compared to most other kinds of engine in atmosphere anyway
 
10:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought for a moment you were talking about the MSVC team... The first part about being conservative certainly fits well enough. The requirement of their product being "rock solid", not so much. :p
 
gotta say
the more I use VS, the more I feel like it's a whole bunch of dead weight.
 
The IDE, you mean? Or the product as a whole, compiler and libs and all?
 
hmm
mostly both, but their libs and stuff do have some nice things, like GCC's std::string is COW and MSVCs is SBO, and the PPL is super nice.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty surprised they're able to overcome friction without any visible engine mass there. I wonder whether they stuffed the whole fuselage with batteries just for this demo, though
+1 for PPL
It's a shame it's not officially slated for cross-platform yet. Let's hope the related proposals make it. /soon/ :)
 
10:26 PM
@sehe There are pics of the wheels in the post linked in the video description (text in Spanish)
 
I figure that as soon as Clang cracks their ABI
their compiler will be a giant pile of redundant.
 
@DeadMG And deque!
:P
 
then all they'll really have left is that the other IDEs I tried on Windows simply suck far, far worse.
to be fair I never got around to trying QtCreator, though.
the way I see it is that they have a terrible product that survives only by virtue of no competition, essentially.
 
@DeadMG QtCreator is winning over a lot of my coworkers
 
well
if they offer a new version of GCC and/or Clang, and the debugger works, then they'll have my heart too.
 
10:29 PM
+1: Absolutely yes please definitely. Also make it a pleasing TNG door chime, or perhaps the sound of the aircraft service call button... y'know, so's I can get that "half asleep, barely conscious, strange gassy aura inside my brain but at least I'm going on HOLIDAY yay!" feeling. — Lightness Races in Orbit 8 mins ago
Thrust reversal, also called reverse thrust, is the temporary diversion of an aircraft engine's exhaust so that the exhaust produced is directed forward, rather than aft. This acts against the forward travel of the aircraft, providing deceleration. Thrust reverser systems are featured on many jet aircraft to help slow down just after touch-down, reducing wear on the brakes and enabling shorter landing distances. Such devices affect the aircraft significantly and are considered important for safe operation by airlines. There have been accidents involving thrust reversal systems. Reverse t...
 
@DeadMG yeah, that's a pretty accurate summary, I think
 
their new MEF stuff
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, electrics. Okay, well, that can only be down to the technology improving over time. I don't think they had electric drive systems capable of driving a fucking JUMBO JET in the 1960s ;)
 
I've used it and it's like they dragged themselves from 1990 with GUIDs and endless hardcoded integer constants and fixed-size arrays and stuff
into 2000 with mass singletons and everything-must-be-Object and such.
 
Definitely a good idea, though, since they can get all the power from central energy (i.e. from the jet engines)
so no second engines to lug about
 
10:32 PM
so now everything is globally registered objects containing guids and hardcoded enums, yeah. :)
 
yeah...
you'd be surprised what it takes to highlight a token in VS.
 
no... I would not. :)
 
You wanna be pretty fucking careful you don't break your new drive system on landing, though, now that those wheels aren't just rotating tyres...
 
I once tried to write a VS addin as well
it actually ended up reasonably functional
 
it's like, you have to create a super-duper new class to represent the highlight you want, then you have to stringly-typed register this class with a global registry manager, then you have to globally import the manager, and then query it stringly-typed for the type you registered.
instead of, I dunno, just creating a new object representing the highlight, and then passing it in.
 
10:34 PM
@killerswan @kjnilsson I think you mean SubstantivesOfSignificantLengthitudeness.
 
I looked into stuff like implementing Go To Definition
turns out that if you want to add a context menu handler in VS, it's, um, full of IOleTarget and magic constants everywhere and stuff, the sample code is impossible to decode.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh neat. Well, they don't use this for moving in reserve on the tarmac for some reason (which I guess is safety).
@LightnessRacesinOrbit They apparently also removed the existing brake systems and that task is taken by the new electric engines.
 
@DeadMG yes... The addin I tried to make was basically a handful of new menu entries and some manipulation of the project/solution data model
 
ermpfff.
You called them conservative?!
 
I sympathise
 
10:38 PM
From what I've heard, the editor stuff is supposed to be the modernized and nice part
 
@sehe They have been on this for years now.
 
hmm
it's pretty awful (Singleton-based stringly-typed Object spam), but better than the older COM stuff.
 
:)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would guess that too. Reversing a plane with no rear view mirror is stupid anyway. I doubt it'll ever be legal, even with electric motors.
 
the editor stuff
 
10:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yet, changing both a convenience and a safety-critical system /at the same time/ (for whatever reason) strikes me as particularly un-conservative
 
if you want to do something they didn't account for, you're pretty fucked
that was my experience
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That.. sounds... dumb...
 
yeah
 
ceramic brakes > electric motor
 
and they don't handle well/properly even some basic things like getting data from more than one file.
 
10:40 PM
anyway, sleepytime for me!
 
(if you accept Chrome's kind offer of a translation of sorts....)
 
oh, wait, the APU is an auxiliary jet engine, and it lives in the tail
how about that
I guess it's likely already present, though
 
1 < 3
Also TIL the equator is 21600 nautical miles long (that's special because it's 360 * 60).
 
It's not particularly surprising, seeing as that's how nautical miles are defined
 
10:49 PM
That's what I learned today!
 
Pfft :P
Did you think it was just for fun that ships had their own "miles" system? ;p
 
Would you find that surprising?
 
Well
No
Okay fine I didn't know it either until about three minutes ago
 
hehe
Oh wait, it's not any great circle. Only meridians.
They probably got it wrong as well, like the metre.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah, I saw ^.^
 
10:56 PM
Also, help. Now I'm lost in measurement articles on wikipedia.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Stop reading measurement articles on Wikipedia.
@Borgleader I love that sound
 
But but all the crazy stuffs.
 
You're reposting a lot lately.
 
Seriously?
Damn it.
We need a centralized link database.
Every time someone puts an URL here, it gets added to the database.
Then you can look up if it's a repost.
 
11:07 PM
hmm
looked at building plugins for QtCreator and they have amazingly little written about it
 
Someone make repost bot :P
 
You could write a script to scrape the transcript every whenever
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel pssst: chat search for http and https
 
I already possess one.
 
11:08 PM
@Xeo Too long.
(inb4 that's what she said)
 
thats what she said
FUCK
 
Get wrecked.
 
Xeo
haha
oh damn, past midnight already
btw robot, linked @ScarletAmaranth that paper?
 
@Borgleader lol
 
Not sure what you referred to.
You mean my old teacher's WIP book?
 
Xeo
11:11 PM
the combinatorics paper, for the class you wrote your \/, /\, -|- and >< combinators for
I guess, yeah
 
@sehe I wanted to say something like that earlier but I couldn't find a good enough analogy. This is exactly what I was thinking.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Or just let us tell you, mere moments after you perform the act. Seems to work okay?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, but then we still see duplicated content.
Although...
 
It really doesn't matter
 
11:18 PM
If the reposter did not see it, then maybe someone else did not see it as well.
In the end it means more people get to see the shit.
 
One extraneous link is a lot nicer than half an hour of ensuing bitching about how there's one extraneous link
 
But some people see it twice
 
find a real problem to solve
 
What's the ratio of people seeing it twice to people seeing it for the first time on the repost for it to be considered a bad repost?
 
@JuJoDi If you can't filter out things yourself, I think you have more serious issues.
 
11:19 PM
haha
 
@JuJoDi You're assuming a repost is bad per se.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit P=NP?
 
Penetration == No Penetration.
 
She's not gonna fall for that one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes As long as she falls on it, that doesn't really matter.
 
11:23 PM
Ouch
 
apparently Algebra II is no longer a required course in Texas
(logarithms, factoring, long division, limits, polynomial properties, etc)
 
That's sad
long division is algebra II?
 
x^2 + 4x - 10 / x + 2
that kind of long division
 
Doesn't look like any long division I've ever seen :D
 
yikes.
 
11:27 PM
AFAIK long division is the division algorithm that I learned to do by hand.
 
yep
so for example you'd do x and then get x^2 + 2x and subtract that from the original
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's the same "family" of algorithm, just applied to a different domain
 
then 2 and you get a remainder of 8
 
> 'being creative and making something is the opposite of hanging out.' [David Rakoff]
 
Oh, there are missing parentheses?
 
11:28 PM
(x^2 + 4x - 10)/(x + 2)
 
Ah, I know that, yeah.
 
Lol
Now it looks like division
 
o.o oh come on
it looked like a division before
 
people had a hard time doing long division when I was in school
 
I saw (x^2) + (4*x) - (10 / x) + 2
 
11:30 PM
... really?
well I can see it due to PEMDAS but interesting
 
I could have looked at it differently given the long division hint I guess..
 
considering the a^2x + bx + c to me it was obvious where the parentheses should have been
 
So is the divide by hand algorithm I think of when you say "long division" algebra II or is that taught earlier?
 
the long division I mention is just an symbolic extension of the one you learn in grade school
it's just retaught in algebra II because symbols confuse people more than numbers
 
Is any substantive replacing the algebra II requirement?
 
11:34 PM
no
 
"I'm a math major, I do letters not numbers" -Day9 (201x)
 
:(
 
It is designed to create greater course flexibility for students who want to focus on career training.

Some policy experts claim Texas is watering down its graduation standards and say fewer students will take algebra II if not required to.

But industry leaders say the law will better-prepare high school graduates for the modern workforce.
 
What kind of workforce?
 
does that last sentence make sense to anyone?
 
11:35 PM
Nope
 
That's bs. The high schools with the students people think need to 'better-prepare' should only teach them how to pass standardized tests so they can discover themselves in college
 
At least in terms of English syntax
No idea about the problem domain
 
I found this in another article
Supporters say fewer course mandates give students more time to focus on vocational training for high-paying jobs that don't necessarily require a college degree, such as at Toyota's factory in San Antonio or oil and chemical giant BASF's facilities on the Gulf Coast.
 
I think the 'modern workforce' basically means robots
they're preparing them to be robots
 
11:38 PM
California state senator’s arrest reveals alleged ties to the Chinese mafia: http://bit.ly/1gvJJwf
lel what
 
wat.
Define "high-paying"
 
Not minimum wage :P
 
haha
 
some states are passing minimum wage to be $10.10
 
If I made 10.10 when I was working minimum wage in high school I would have been such a boss
Or not
What if google decided to shut off Oauth
 
11:43 PM
What about it?
 
No more using your google account to log in or register anywhere but google
 
Then don't do that.
 
my SO account would die
 
SO actually lets you have alternative credentials.
 
11:50 PM
then nothing of value would be lost
I'm so tired
I might as well nap for 2 hours.
int main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
  // suppress warnings
  (void)argc; (void)argv;

  std::cout << "Hello World!" << std::endl;
  return 0;
}
but why
 
lol, the things people do sometimes.
 
I'm not sure where (I think it was a DX tutorial though), they had a suppress warning macro which I believe did exactly that. so every tutorial started with suppress_warning(argc); suppress_warning(argv) or something
 
boost has it also
it's just a function template<typename T> void suppress(const T&); probably.
macro would probably be better though iunno.
 
Is it just suppressing an unused variable warning?
 
yes
 
11:58 PM
lol
 

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