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11:02
Yum, spring rolls.
@rightfold you leading me on wrong road. clojure works on Java where u see drivers writed by java? :)
> Flags: curtisk: sec‑bounty-
user1804599
It also works with Node.js.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know what that is
the comments ( first, second on "When does the order of template argument substitution matter?", do the actually have a point or is it a misunderstanding?
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A: When does the order of template argument substitution matter?

Filip RoséenAs stated C++14 explicitly says that the order of template argument substitution is well-defined; more specifically it will be guaranteed to proceed in "lexical order and halt whenever a substitution causes the deduction to fail. Compared to C++11 it will be much easier to write SFINAE-code tha...

11:06
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I supposed sec-bounty is related to those bounties you get when you report security vulnerabilities.
damn it, I was too slow to remove the link underneath
at least I tried..
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
@FilipRoséen ;p
> Teen duped into dating two boys without realising they were both the SAME GIRL
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I can't parse that =(
English is though
11:15
a teen having more than one personality that dated him/herself, is that it?
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@Abyx English is tough
@rightfold exactly!
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's one hell of a troll feat
Good evening gentlemen. Make good your time.
@sehe It gets better. The duped one realised the farce when she suspected the second "boy" of actually being his "twin brother" (read: a third "person", not the first "boy", but still the same girl that duped her).
11:20
@CatPlusPlus I like the "STATUS TURQUOISE"
morning
That "twin brother" was dating duping her friend.
how the fuck do I register on the wiki
It doesn't make any sense.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ping @Cat.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oi, @Cat, motherfucker. Register me, bitch.
11:24
why doesn't std::ptr<type> exists? :c
I know it's trivial to implement, but couldn't they just define it themselves?
@Jefffrey you can just write type*
hth
Poll: For how long should a session remain "valid" on the server end, if you don't make any page requests? For a carrier-grade but ultimately not entirely security-critical web interface.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if you have a pool of sockets it makes sense to drop old connection when you need a new one
so I thinking about writing keyboard filter on c. maybe anyone can put me on correct way what I should read?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What is a "session"? (Is this a stupid question?)
11:27
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i.e. "as long as you don't need to drop it"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a week or a couple of days
@Jefffrey std::add_pointer (and in C++1y, std::add_pointer_t)
also a proxy will probably hang it for you
I'd hate to relogin every day
@R.MartinhoFernandes when you login on a server the server estabilish a session with you so that it can know who are you (theoretically)
@Borgleader woo
11:29
@R.MartinhoFernandes (yes)
@Jefffrey See I was thinking like 12 hours or something like that. My team is suggesting 5 minutes.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I would be pretty pissed if I took lunch and needed to login again. But I guess it also depends on the kind of security you want.
I'd say it also depends on what the service is.
Banks do 5 minutes IIRC, SO does weeks...
SO sessions expire?
I'm not sure. I remember that after my 2 weeks vacation two years ago I was asked if I was a robot (while posting an answer)
11:35
Oh, maybe I never witnessed that because I'm active. Of course.
also I think that technically sessions always have an expire date, it's just a matter of resetting it every once in a while
but then again, if you use SSL you shouldn't be particularly worried about session hijacking (which is the only threat that I can see with long expiring sessions).
unless you are moving thousands of dollars within the website, of couse
Or buttcoins!
you even start to sound like Cat++ now
I'm having some trouble distinguishing "export template" and "extern template".
iirc export template allowed h/cpp separation
and extern template is similar..?
nah
export template is, exporting a whole template.
extern template is exporting one specific instantiation- i.e., a concrete definition of a real type/function/etc.
11:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't think so
@Jefffrey There's a hijacked local access argument
(not a good one, in this instance)
"I travelled here from 1832"
12:12
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Why does software always have to break??? RRHHFHFH
fuck fuck fuck I hate it so much
fucking just work
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
it's boring when it works
then you don't learn anything
you'd just spend all day typing
Hiya
12:33
(Sorry about my drunk comment 11 hours ago) — Lightness Races in Orbit 20 secs ago
Hello Alex.
LOL you comment on meta when drunk
oh yea, that's the only state of mind where meta is reasonable and makes sense
that's what drunkens do: commenting on meta ...
time to give tomalak some smack there ...
or some slack
hi
guys I have a problem can any1 solve it?
My app crashes in phone but works perfect in emulator
is it in Java?
12:45
no it is in android
5
delete the app from the phone, clean up the project then run it again
no, we really can't
user1804599
You didn't read the rules.
user1804599
12:48
Read them or get out.
JBL
JBL
@rightfold They aren't pinned at the moment though...
(Directly I mean)
user1804599
@JBL there is a link in the description.
user1804599
Also "any1" shows that you are as primitive as Java is.
JBL
JBL
But as nobody reads the starboard anyway :>
user1804599
Hence it's in the description and not on the starboard.
JBL
JBL
12:50
We need a big "IN YOUR FACE" feature for the room's rules.
is bartek dead or something?
My old old avatar :c
@rightfold oh I didn't realize that it's the link to the rules
lol, bartek added a donate button as well
user1804599
Why would people donate to Bartek?
user1804599
You could just as well shit on a 500 euro bill and give it to a dog.
12:55
ITT High opinions of Bartek
@BartekBanachewicz, server down :c
There are no trollable questions on meta lately
I am depressed ... need more 'fun' questions on meta
user1804599
You have to donate to him money or else he won't get it back up.
I just realized that the implicit conversion operator and the implicit constructor can be considered a set of complementary operations.
user1804599
s/complementary/terrible/
user1804599
13:00
Hmm.
user1804599
class T { public: explicit T(T const&); explicit T(T&&); }
The problem is that they are implicit by default.
But it can be nice if used intentionally.
user1804599
I wish there was a Q/A limit ratio on Stack Exchange per user.
A LinuxTimestamp, NapatechTimestamp, MyLittlePonyTimestamp, etc.. can be made comparable if they all have operator UniversalTimestamp().
So that's another form of static polymorphism.
user1804599
Eww.
user1804599
13:04
That's a terrible hack.
Implicit constructor overloads achieve the same but in the opposite direction.
I can't think of a good use case for many constructor overloads though.
user1804599
Wanting your C++ code to look like Java code.
Java would probably require implementing some kind of comparable interface with double dispatch and crap.
@rightfold on the of chance you were up for doing some strawberry jam this weekend, I'm heading to Dublin, so will be AFK for most of it :S
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Q: Trolling the troll

Erel Segal HaleviA troll has captured you and is forcing you to write malware (defined as a program that damages the computer that runs it). The troll can read and understand code, but is not so good at spotting bugs. Your goal is to write a program that: Looks like malware; i.e., a beginning programmer readin...

user1804599
13:08
I don't care.
@StackedCrooked not sure what exactly you are on about, but java uses comparators. Separate functions/lambdas that compare two objects.
@rightfold sorted
user1804599
@thecoshman shuffled
user1804599
@thecoshman I tried to use Java yesterday and the code became so verbose and terrible that I decided to switch to Scala.
user1804599
Why is there no string joining function.
@rightfold delete all
@R.MartinhoFernandes that girl boy story thing... I just... I just don't know :S
@rightfold Trying writing a parser in Java :\
user1804599
13:13
@thecoshman lol
user1804599
If you do that you're a fool.
user1804599
So glad we'll never use Java at work.
it's just so verbose :'(
user1804599
I can't stand it when I have lines longer than 80 characters.
@rightfold oh that I don't mind.
user1804599
13:17
And it's very difficult to keep them under 80 characters when you have to put a fucking type name before every fucking line.
I do wish Java had 'auto'
user1804599
@thecoshman Maybe I wouldn't either, if I had a 90" monitor.
user1804599
@thecoshman Patch the compiler! projectlombok.org/features/val.html :P
@rightfold wow, imagine the porn on that
@rightfold oh, yeah, not an option
any good idea is rendered moot by redtape
user1804599
I recall some editor doing this. I think it was IntelliJ.
user1804599
13:19
It shows var but it stores the text as the actual type name.
user1804599
It also has lambda syntax.
user1804599
You can also type it like that.
user1804599
Not sure about the var, though.
user1804599
task :integration_test => [:compile] do
    sh "php ./vendor/phpunit/phpunit/phpunit.php integration_test"
end
user1804599
13:29
Dat path.
ew
I'd easily do Java over PHP
user1804599
But yeah if you use terrible libraries like CodeIgniter or Drupal then all hope is lost.
user1804599
PHP isn't really that bad if you use your brain while writing code.
It has ugly corner cases but if you just write decent code they won't be much of a burden.
@rightfold Does it have any non-corner cases?
13:35
@jalf The parts where it works fine!
@R.MartinhoFernandes <? echo 'hello world'; ?>, you mean?
(no wait, actually, that isn't even guaranteed to work, is it? Doesn't <? depend on some php.ini setting?)
why helloooo friends
Why hello indeed. Truly a question for the ages.
user1804599
It's mostly the terrible community and the tendency to write bad code because that's usual with PHP that makes it horrible.
13:38
YAY Holland is back on the grid
yay, trying to dodge warnings on 3 different compilers simultaneously is lots of fun sometimes
(by which I mean it isn't actually very much fun at all)
Xeo
Xeo
-Wnothing
user1804599
@jalf Well, try/finally and yield from the latest version work great.
@jalf Wait until you do different versions of those
@rightfold Where "the terrible community" is defined as "people who insist that PHP isn't a bad language"
user1804599
13:39
Haven't met any corner cases in those.
@Xeo Shirley you mean -Wno-thing.
@jalf gosh - thanks for the hint
@sehe I am. gcc4.4 with std=c++98 and gcc4.8 with -std=c++11 :)
user1804599
@jalf No, it's people who think using md5 for hashing password is good, and don't know about proper parameterized queries.
13:40
@jalf ah. Yeah. That's fun.
@rightfold ITT, "PHP isn't a bad language, its only flaw is that it is sometimes used by people who overuse md5"
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wat?
user1804599
I never said that.
you kinda did
Wait, jalf is arguing with Radek? Aw, man, why do I have to leave for work soon? I want to watch this!
user1804599
Okay, let me rephrase because you apparently take everything 100% literally.
13:41
@EtiennedeMartel We'll tape it for you.
user1804599
No, it's people who think using md5 for hashing password is good, and don't know about proper parameterized queries, as well as a lot of other silly things.
@rightfold Pot meets kettle?
Unless you rephrase it to "PHP is a piece of garbage, regardless of who uses it", I'm going to disagree. So you might as well save yourself the trouble. :)
user1804599
I think I will just refresh this web page.
@rightfold That's what I said. "The problem with PHP isn't the language", which is a ridiculously incorrect thing to say.
The problem with PHP is in fact the PHP language.
The fact that idiots tend to use it is pretty horrifying too, but that, at least, is not PHP's fault per se.
Also, in a language designed for "receiving a http request, looking stuff up in a database, then returning some html", parametrized queries should not be some kind of advanced user feature that it is possible to miss. It should be the default, it should be built into the API as the one and only simple straightforward way to access the db. The fact that it isn't, that it is something you have to know about is a perfect example of what is wrong with PHP.
13:46
Pit of despair.
argh, speaking of despair, looks like someone tightened up the warning level on our MSVC builds without actually fixing the code to build under this warning level
Turning warnings on makes them go away, haven't you heard?
hmmm, or not. Doesn't look like anyone has changed the warning level recently. How the fuck did anyone manage to push this code when it doesn't build cleanly?
@EtiennedeMartel just tape it
@jalf they didn't full rebuild. Warnings only display on a rebuild, since the objects are created fine
@sehe nah, we've got a git hook on our build server to test anything you push to the main branch. If it doesn't build cleanrly in a full rebuild, it won't be merged
14:00
sooo there must be a bug (or a non-standard compiler config there)
oooh, I get it. That git hook triggers a debug build, and the warning is only generated on release builds
inb4 "unused variable" warning
how did you guess? :)
an assert might also have been involved
ex·pe·ri·ence noun \ik-ˈspir-ē-ən(t)s\

2 : skill or knowledge that you get by doing something
14:07
:)
@sehe what's UX then?
user1804599
Nonexistent.
Feb 5 at 11:03, by sudo rm -rf Telkitty
I don't care about money all that much, but I LOVE freedom. Not every can be free if they have a lot of money (because they are slaves to money), but I am glad am not one of those :p
@Abyx (see ¹ɪʀʀᴇʟᴇᴠᴀɴᴄᴇ)
☂ᖺᗩ☂'ᔕ ᔕᗝᗰᙓ ﬡᓰℱ♈Ꭹ ᔕᖺᓰ☂ ᖇᓮᘐᖺ♈ ♈ᖺᙓᖇᙓ [fsymbols.com/generators/]
@CatPlusPlus I like it.
14:23
@R.MartinhoFernandes Money is his religion
I love freedom ... especially the part where I get to build 'fancy' toys. I hope (or wish) one day I get to build a 'smart' house. Since I am learning house building, and also have 10 financial failure 'smart' phone apps across iphone/Android/windows phone. You know the kind that you can control the air conditioner or monitor what's in your fridge from your mobile/watch (or glasses using voice control). But how I get there -> $ ... that's sad.
On the good part, I love the idea of how you can rent 'intelligent' people using $$$ - you have a clear goal, some plan how to get there ... then you can start day dreaming :p
> I am learning house building
Stop it! It's killing me
I am also slightly drunk ...
That always helps
No more responsibilities!
<- certified owner builder
14:27
@sudorm-rfTelkitty sweet, so you can build certified owners now?
user1804599
@sehe TIL: ᔕ
you are certified to builder owners :')
not even the smiley contains any win
user1804599
Why is this on Gentoo Forums.
14:30
@rightfold Omg, wtf?!
Oo forgot to mention, the best part of the 'smart' house is where part of the house can detach and fly off like a spaceship (for short distance) >_<
time for bed, mum is coming back from overseas tomorrow morning ...
Using reinterpret_cast makes it dangerous. It's the cast that tells the compiler "Shut up, I know what I'm doing". And it's semantics are, by definition, implementation defined. — sehe 1 min ago
@sehe why the ping?
@BenjaminGruenbaum It happens with my browser. It remembers silly old :xxxxxx input... :(
14:32
Sometimes I don't notice (^C ^T c<Enter>^V<Enter> is <2s for me)
user1804599
@wilx omgwtfbbq
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wow.
user1804599
@wilx This is what you find when you google for "scrotum gentoo."
@rightfold Why do you search for "scrotum gentoo"? Who put "scrotum" and "gentoo" together?
@rightfold which happens when?
user1804599
14:35
@wilx Because I was looking for a program called scortum.
user1804599
@rightfold I am not sure I want to know what is its function. :)
probably turn out to be something totally harmless but typically dumbly-named.
user1804599
scrot takes SCReen shOTs.
user1804599
And escrotum is a scrot alternative.
14:36
escrotum scratches ...things... electronically?
so it's harmless but dumbly named.
14:48
Threes! with powers of two. You'll thank me later.
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Meh that's so yester-yesterday
ITT humour is dumb
@EtiennedeMartel DAMN YOU!!!
@EtiennedeMartel that took me like 2 hours yesterday
@EtiennedeMartel Got up to 256 first time
oh, up to 512
15:10
@EtiennedeMartel you fool! what have you done
> Best 1440
come on tony :p
user1804599
Hmm.
user1804599
Rather than writing an Org parser, I could just invoke Emacs from my application to parse it for me and print an S-expression.
sexpressive
15:16
@TonyTheLion 1440 isn't a pot.
@DeadMG There's a scoring system.
Just had the pleasure of using this WTF API
It totals up all the points.
2224 for me
15:17
Yes. I had to pass 1f (that's a float, gentlepeople) which is available as the constant java.awt.component.RIGHT_ALIGNMENT and it means I want stuff aligned at the bottom
the fuck?
that's fucked up
I'd call these faux-enum values (who-the-actual-fuck makes a discrete enum use float?!) java.suckage.component.WRONG_ALIGNMENT
that's terrible
Xeo
Xeo
2640 :(
user1804599
2014
15:26
Losers.
Xeo
Xeo
what's your score?
I'm not playing.
That thing has been making the rounds of the Internet the whole week.
I'm surprised there wasn't a general pitchfork grabbing against Etienne's repost.
15:31
It's been mentioned here some five times already.
obviously you were the only one that noticed the other five times
I have no idea how to play it. Oh well
Xeo
Xeo
15:46
6288... :/
getting to 2048 would take ages
write an automagic solver for it
Xeo
Xeo
since the spawn points seem to be random...
They don't have to be.
Badger, badger, badger, badger *>BANG<*

~ £240 damage to front bumper and associated fittings. I may have lost the A/C radiator too. It's a very expensive way of preventing bovine TB:((
whoops
I notice you show no sympathy for the badger, which has lost its life
I got 1024
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't have much sympathy with vermin.
Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers...
16:13
@Borgleader I just knew someone would post that;)
Anne has taken what's left of my Fiesta to the garage. Don't know how long to fix yet.
meanwhile in the php room lol
Vermin are animals that get in our way, according to our needs. Thus, it's entirely not their fault that they are vermin. Thus, you should not inherently hold less sympathy towards those living creatures as opposed to any other.
2 days ago, by Griwes
http://gabrielecirulli.github.io/2048/
user3010322
@Borgleader Did you get to build it? Does it work on Linux or Windows?
Looks like I didn't sell it properly. :D
16:23
@ThePhD I haven't tried yet.
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Q: What's the difference between interface and @interface in java?

BittercoderI haven't touched Java since using JBuilder in the late 90's while at University, so I'm a little out of touch - at any rate I've been working on a small Java project this week, and using Intellij IDEA as my IDE, for a change of pace from my regular .Net development. I notice it has support for ...

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@Borgleader Bummercakes.
@ClassPreamble (
   author = "John Doe",
   date = "3/17/2002",
   currentRevision = 6,
   lastModified = "4/12/2004",
   lastModifiedBy = "Jane Doe",
   // Note array notation
   reviewers = {"Alice", "Bob", "Cindy"}
)
This has got to be the worse use of annotations ever.
I never really understood what annotation were (for)
(silently replaces a for loop in his own code by a range constructor in the initializer list. Repeat after me: "a class constructor shall not do any work, a class constructor must not do any work") — rubenvb Jun 15 '11 at 17:28
If constructors should not do anything, why do they exist? :)
Or what exactly is the definition of "work"?
user3010322
16:30
{{Infobox physical quantity | bgcolour={default} | name = Work | image = | caption = A baseball pitcher does positive work on the ball by applying a force to it over the distance it moves while in his grip. | basequantities = 1 kg·m2/s2 | unit = joule (J) | symbols = W | derivations = W = F · d W = τ θ }} In physics, a force is said to do work when it acts on a body, and there is a displacement of the point of application in the direction of the force. For example, when you lift a suitcase from the floor, the work done on the suitcase is the force it takes ...
@Borgleader One use is for processing data. You create a data class, annotate each field with requirements (such as max length of string), and easily check if all the data is within bounds.
@Borgleader Definitely not for doing the job of VCS or code review tools.
@rightfold I always forget what inline means exactly. I think it means "Dear compiler, please ignore the usual ODR" or something :)
System Shock 2 is 50% on GOG.
50% of the price, or with a 50% discount?
16:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why would you care? lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Theres a difference? o.o
Isn't System Shock 2 from like the Stone Ages?
Oh god. What have I become.
I cannot speak nonsense without people trying to make sense of it.
Funnybot
Is the glass half empty or half full? is a common expression, used rhetorically to indicate that a particular situation could be a cause for optimism (half full) or pessimism (half empty), or as a general litmus test to simply determine an individual's worldview. The purpose of the question is to demonstrate that the situation may be seen in different ways depending on one's point of view and that there may be opportunity in the situation as well as trouble. This idiom is used to explain how people perceive events and objects. Perception is unique to every individual and is simply one's i...
user3010322
16:36
You broke your humour module by being right all the time and being serious.
Huh vogl uses ninja
lets see if i can invoke it directly, all the batch files are for linux
@R.MartinhoFernandes The glass is inadequate for its intended purpose.
Must have been one helluva badger
What mental speed were you doing to get that kind of damage from a badger? In a rural area, too?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 55 mph. They're tough little sods:(
Xeo
Xeo
16:43
now you know better - attach long spikes to the front
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm fairly sure it was a standard-size badger - the length of the hair recovered from the damaged area is about right:)
aux is an invalid folder name on windows?
wtf?
@Borgleader I/O device name?
Welp that means I cant fully checkout vogl
user3010322
16:48
Lolololololol
user3010322
+1 Windows best dev machine.
Firing up the VM...
user3010322
What VM do you use?
VirtualBox w/ Ubuntu 13.04
Who uses three-letter filenames anyway? I thought that was reserved for the spooks.
16:50
3 letter folder names are kinda common: src, bin, lib, ...
user3010322
> Participants can make use of any external resources (libraries, art, etc) that are available for free on the Internet
user3010322
@R.M Does that mean I still can't use my engine unless I provide built headers / libs?
-2
Q: Pre and post increment operators returning abnormal values

Harun RashidThe output of the following program is 21 when it runs on ideone. I have no clue as to how this works. Whatever combination I try I don't get it. Can somebody explain? I found some link that said about sequence points I couldn't understand that either. Please help :) #include <iostream> using na...

Here we go again :-D
@Borgleader No way.
It chokes trying to create a folder called aux
and i cant make it manually either because its an invalid name
16:55
@Borgleader Yeah, it's like 'com', 'lpt' - reserved device name.
no because i can make a folder called com/lpt
@Borgleader Try com1
com1 fails
I think 'aux' is some legacy device name from DOSsy days.
@jefffrey will investigate asap

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