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5:02 PM
Female coworker tells me a I'm a nerd
I fit right in with you lot
 
user3010322
@TonyTheLion You should say thanks!
 
user3010322
And maybe give an imaginary tip of your hat.
 
@ThePhD hahaha
my dad calls me a nerd too
 
@TonyTheLion My dad doesn't even know the word nerd.
 
oh wow
My dad claims I married my computer
 
5:04 PM
He has no idea what programming is, but he is totally impressed by my computer skills (read: I know how to use Google, and he doesn't.)
 
my mom needs a lot of time to perform very basic actions on her computer (she is now able to go to youtube and find a video). she's always amazed when she sees me do it so much quicker.
 
isn't that what "computer skills" boil down to? Using Google
 
it's a computer skill, albeit a very basic one :)
 
I once taught my dad how to set bookmarks in Firefox. He was completely amazed. It was like having multiple homepages.
 
@TonyTheLion Are you planning on raising a family?
 
5:07 PM
@MartinJames If you're talking about my computers, I already have a "family" of computers
I have like 3
 
Same, I have 3 computers and a toddler tablet
 
@TonyTheLion You should stop at 3, more becomes very expensive. Talk to your doctor.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow you can set multiple start pages in Firefox. :P
 
@rightfold I couldn't back then :)
 
5:09 PM
lol
 
I better not tell him that, he'll end up with a stroke or something.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow I imagine him saying “das ist ganz geil!”
 
Na, most of the time he is speechless and/or confused. "Whoa, how did you do THAT?!?"
 
user1804599
Either? Why not both?
 
Huh, theres a SC2 tournament in Poland right now
 
5:14 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes \o/
 
@Borgleader I thought IEM Katowice was tomorrow?
 
The 100k winner's take all tournament has begun! #IEM Katowice! You BETTER be watching! http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ESL_TV
nope its right now
 
oh it's just the open bracket
 
Are you attempting a brute force attack on AES256??? — pat 10 hours ago
^^ um...
 
reminds me of the 'enumerate all guids' thing
 
5:26 PM
why would anyone want to do that?
 
@ThePhD I guess so :(
 
user3010322
Well guess I'm having another Shame Jam.
 
what the frick. I start steam, it says it can't connect a bunch of times, I tell it to quit, it goes "connecting to steam account..." signs in, then quits
 
o.o its still compiling vogl
 

Brute forcing AES-256 is not feasible

Sep 10 '11 at 23:44, 47 minutes total – 150 messages, 5 users, 1 star

Bookmarked Sep 11 '11 at 0:33 by R. Martinho Fernandes

@Mysticial I did the math!
 
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5:29 PM
@melak47 You have to be signed in to perform that action.
 
@Mysticial His increment algorithm doesn't even work. Once the first number reaches its maximum, it stays there.
signed in = true;   // totally valid C++
 
@rightfold hue.
 
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@melak47 saturation.
 
value :p
 
@FredOverflow warning not type specified, int assumed?
 
5:30 PM
@StackedCrooked I have lots of daily stuff stuff that I am terrible at that I usually mention in those situations.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it takes more than the mass energy of the entire observable universe.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ETOOMANYWTF
 
@Borgleader signed is a type.
 
Like "I get freaking lost like a madman all the time".
 
@FredOverflow o.OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
5:31 PM
The speed of light isn't fast enough to brute force AES-256. E=MC^2 isn't large enough.
 
@Borgleader I watched the vogl repo, and now I'm getting silly emails of silly conversations about the pronunciation of "vogl" >_>
 
@melak47 Hahaha xD
 
@Mysticial Your mom is not large enough!
 
@Borgleader At least clang -Wall does not complain.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow signed is silly.
 
user1804599
5:31 PM
It’s only useful for making char explicitly signed. :v
 
Why would you deliberately ask for a signed char? :)
 
@Mysticial Oh, likely. I took my liberties ("I'm deliberately ignoring the energetic cost of manufacturing that many CPUs. ") there. Showing it's not feasible even under impossibly ideal conditions should be enough.
 
user1804599
std::make_signed_t<char>!
 
@sehe Was that an actual "your mom" joke? Or did I mention before that my mom's initials is actually EMCC?
 
@JBL since you're the one to repeat this for the umpteenth time, I'll require you to present proof
 
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5:32 PM
@FredOverflow Because char may not be signed.
 
@Mysticial How about unobservable multiverses?
 
@Mysticial Those two are not mutually exclusive. Also, it counts as an anti-joke
 
@rightfold And why would you want a signed char instead of an int8_t?
 
user1804599
int8_t may not exist!
 
@Mysticial Your mom has four names? Wow.
 
5:34 PM
@FredOverflow You can do anything with the power of science fiction.
 
user1804599
Also eww int8_t without std::.
 
@rightfold I pity the fool who uses a compiler without stdint.h or wherever those types are defined.
 
user1804599
Who uses stdint.h?
 
@FredOverflow Even if stdint.h exists, those types are optional.
 
user1804599
Use <cstdint>.
 
5:34 PM
They don't exist on machines without 8-bit bytes.
 
user1804599
Also it may not exist even with the header.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh no, so I can't use C++11 on my PDP11?
 
@FredOverflow Her middle name is two words hyphenated.
 
@FredOverflow You can precisely because those types are optional.
 
user1804599
@FredOverflow No, but you can use C++14 on your PDP14.
 
5:35 PM
@Mysticial Martha-Claire?
 
@FredOverflow I have four names.
 
user1804599
@sehe ikr
 
@sehe I know. Still funny :)
 
@FredOverflow Madame-Curie
 
5:36 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes How is "The Robot" four names?
 
user1804599
But nonetheless, std::is_signed<char>() may still be true.
 
yup
 
@rightfold Okay, that's even more funny :)
 
@FredOverflow Her last name is her family name in Chinese. Her middle name is her two-word given name in Chinese. Her first name is something she probably made up when she came to the US.
 
@Mysticial Is this a riddle I'm supposed to solve? ;)
 
5:37 PM
@sehe what's wrong?
 
I also have a two word/syllable middle name - also derived from my given Chinese name.
 
@sehe Is that a C++ thingy like RAII or SFINAE?
@Mysticial Does your Chinese name give you the low-level powers?
 
other than my flagrant disregard for the perils of comparing floating-point values for equality, that is
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Why 1/2 and not 3/2?
 
@FredOverflow lolno. I can't even write my Chinese name.
 
5:39 PM
It could still give you powers.
 
@FredOverflow But he can't invoke them.
 
The speed of light isn't fast enough to let you brute force AES-256. E=MC^2 just isn't enough energy even when you throw in the entire mass-energy of the observable universe. — Mysticial 3 mins ago
^^ There, had to say it. :)
 
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@sehe ETOMANYWTF
 
@Mysticial What about dark matter?
 
The speed of light is probably not fast enough for anything.
 
5:40 PM
@FredOverflow That's only a factor of 10.
 
It's stopped.
ZERO, biatch.
 
> It's not only slow, but impossible. The total energy of universe is insufficient for 2^256 bit changes. And that would require gray counter.
(from the first answer)
 
@Borgleader There's a difference between "energy" and "mass-energy".
:)
 
o.o oh well
 
@Mysticial Really?
 
5:42 PM
lol... now i know why HL3 is taking so long :P
2
 
Total energy numbers for the observable universe usually take "energy" to mean it all.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would assume "energy" to not include mass.
But meh, what do I know? :P
 
@Mysticial It's the only way you can keep using the conservation laws, for example.
When you talk about the total energy of a system in those contexts, mass and energy tend to be treated as one and the same (see also E=mc^2)
Mass is "rest energy".
Adding energy to objects increases their mass (good luck measuring it, though: Δm = ΔE / c^2).
 
If you could find a way to convert heat energy back into usable energy, then you can effectively recycle the finite amount of energy in the universe.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit comparison of non-literal floats. (three wtfs). "fast_lexical_cast" is a huge pessimization of boost::lexical_cast. You're throwing boost exceptions from non-boost code. What's not to love there?
 
5:57 PM
@Mysticial "You can't break even.", a.k.a. the second law of thermodynamics.
@Mysticial That conversion would only be costless at absolute zero. (see also: 3rd law of thermodynamics)
 
vogl is taking so much space im running out of memory on my VM
 
@sehe fast_lexical_cast like that is for good reason in my code. For the purpose of demonstrating this fractionalisation, though, yes it's needless.
 
are you kidding me D:
 
How much memory did you put in?
16GB? :P
 
@sehe I don't see the problem with throwing boost::bad_lexical_cast, though, when I'm "overloading" boost::lexical_cast. (The real implementation delegates to boost::lexical_cast for many input types.)
 
6:00 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes A few GB, but the VOGL folder itself is 3.4GB and growing
I put 16GB
Where did the rest of the space go D:
 
It's at less than 25% and you're worried?
 
Is the VM running iTunes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the pop-up said something about 600MB
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which has me wondering. Let's say you could recycle at 99.99999...% efficiency. Is it possible to get it high enough to brute-force AES-256. I would assume that the 99.99999... would be bounded by planck's constant at some point. (i.e. you can't do any better than 100% - O(planck's constant))
 
6:08 PM
> tar: script: cannot write script file: No space left on device
 
You have more RAM than disk space?
@Mysticial Is the third sentence a question or a mistakenly written statement.
Wait, I should make that ambiguous too.
 
The VM has a 16GB "hard drive" and I have 8GB of RAM so no.
 
@Borgleader Oh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes IOW, I don't know what I'm talking about.
 
I thought you meant you had 16GB of RAM.
@Mysticial What I meant was: did you mean "Is it possible (...)?" or "It is possible (...)."?
I like that sentence.
 
6:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes question mark. typo
I was asking, if it's possible with sufficiently high recycle efficiency.
 
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pbpaste | perl -pe 's/([a-f0-9]{2})/0x$1, /g' | tee /dev/stderr | pbcopy
 
user1804599
This is nice.
 
@Mysticial Ah. I don't know.
 
Let's say the universe has on the order of 2^100 mass-energy. (units are irrelevant since the magnitudes are so high anyway) And each time you recycle, you lose 2^-N % of the total capacity. Obviously, if N is large enough then it's possible. But it would probably be bounded at some point at the quantum level.
So we need to squeeze out another factor of ~ 2^150 out of recycling to brute-force AES-256. lol
 
Yeah, it's bounded by the lowest achievable energy state (i.e. 1 ULP above absolute zero :P)
But!
 
6:16 PM
Is there something akin to Spacesniffer on linux?
 
Don't forget that your ever so slightly inefficient process is heating things.
So you get diminishing returns.
Getting lost yesterday was nice. The path I took accidentally is actually better than my usual route.
What an idiot.
 
fuck websites who do this
 
do what
 
> To Windows, "C:" is the partition that the running version of Windows is currently installed on, regardless of how many partitions are on the disk.
lies
 
6:31 PM
@melak47 "Click arrows to navigate", its useless theres one sentence per slide, just shove it all on the same fucking page. Why do i have to click for each sentence thats just stupid.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I've had Windows install itself on the E drive. It was annoying.
It was because the HD was on a controller card rather than directly to the motherboard.
So it refused to assign itself C.
 
I've managed to install windows on D: once, too. But I don't remember exactly how or why :p
 
@Mysticial same
@Mysticial except that part
when you clone partitions to make backups or transplant from one HDD to another or whatever, it can happen quite easily if you're not careful
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks
 
This was back the days of the 137GB barrier (128GiB). I bought a 200GB hard drive that came with a controller card to handle the size. When I installed XP on it, it was the E drive and a number of the games that I played hard-code reading the CD from the E drive.
I ended up getting a 120GB to boot from and using the 200GB as a secondary.
Good times - sooo long ago. Now I'm bitching about not being able to get cheap 4TB drives.
 
6:37 PM
haha
130€ for 4TB seems alright?
 
I bought a pair of 4 TB for $130 USD each about 9 months ago.
internals
 
:/
 
Internals are more expensive than external. Which sucks because I need internals.
 
oh well, I'm out of sata slots anyway
 
@Mysticial Why is that anyway? I kind of assumed an external hdd was well an internal one with a case and usb cable =/
 
6:42 PM
@Borgleader I figure they put the slowest, worst of the crop in external cases :p
 
@Borgleader So the story is that internal drives need to be more reliable. People boot off them, throw them into data centers, etc...
Externals are usually just sitting there spun down most of the time.
Furthermore, they can throw whatever they want into an external - including EOL drives.
There's a lot of people that pop open externals like booster packs to see what they got inside.
The lucky ones get WD black drives and such.
 
everytime I've done that it was a 5600RPM hitachi :E
so I stopped looking :p
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was talking about the code that you did show :| (unsurprisingly)
@LightnessRacesinOrbit no matter how good the reason, "fast" is a rather large misnomer there
 
@sehe fair enough
call it "<myproject>_lexical_cast"
 
ewww
<myproject>::lexical_cast
(I don't know what you ladies are talking about)
 
6:50 PM
hi
 
hey
 
@Jefffrey or that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Is he serious?
@EtiennedeMartel Damn man. You're behind on everything. :v
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm working on it man.
 
@Rapptz I believe so
@Rapptz Right after replying to an eight-hour old message
 
7:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Woop woop.
 
@Jefffrey nah, mycompany::myproject::yetanothernamespace::lexical_cast
 
@Abyx mycompany should be a singleton :p
 
@Abyx you forgot factory:: and manager::
oh, the same joke was already done
too bad
@EtiennedeMartel nice
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
7:18 PM
lol, the first diagram.
 
speaking of valve, anyone else unable to sign into steam?
or is my replacement router even worse than the broken one
 
I'm also offline
 
user1804599
@melak47 Yeah, I cannot login to Steam either.
 
user1804599
Probably because I don’t have Steam installed.
 
7:22 PM
Vogl done building installing... 2.9MB free
 
lol
 
@rightfold From what I've heard, Valve follows a "high school" structure.
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
512!!!
 
7:34 PM
lol i forgot i cant modify partitions while im running the os thats on it
 
bitches
 
@ScottW that's how you lose
I haven't beaten it yet
Only gotten up to 1024
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Domain-specific logic. No need for the added complexity.
(Only dealing with powers of two)
 
> All other apps or sites are derivatives or fakes, and should be used with caution.
a little pretentious considering his copied it himself?
he literally just multiplied the last number of 1024 and added to the game
 
I found a new bumper on ebay for £160. I can slip a garage guy at the club a few beers to fit it. He can be a bit tardy, so I might have to badger him a bit.
 
7:48 PM
argh, you're not going to be posting that all night are ye?
 
nothing will be as worse as the KSP spam fest of 2013
3
 
@Rapptz but rockets!
 
hahaha
 
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user1804599
Well, fuck.
 
7:50 PM
@rightfold lol, dick
 
lol
 
user1804599
@thecoshman lol
 
@rightfold 24 AU? that's a long way from Earth
 
Who remembers super hexagon??
 
7:54 PM
@DeadMG Or a physics breaking gold isotope.
 
What was that candy farming game we played once?
another lounge obsession
 
that wasn't really a game, unless you define "waiting" as a gameplay mechanic.
 
@rightfold 24? I think you're exaggerating.
 
@TonyTheLion That was automated with a bash script and xdo
 
anyways, KSP was definitely longer-lasting.
none of the others got so bad they had to create a new room for it
 
user1804599
7:56 PM
@TonyTheLion candybox
 
@DeadMG you had choices to be made. it is a game.
 
I'd like to try KSP is it worth wasting time on?
 
@CaptainGiraffe yes
 
KSP was that space craft thing?
 
KSP is available on linux right?
Yes @ Tony.
 
7:58 PM
I want to throw my money at Steam but their servers are down :(
 
@TonyTheLion is
@CaptainGiraffe yes
 

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