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14:00
immediately or something.
why would you call it that.
hell, why would you write this function in the first place?
> (...) he has an unboxing video where he forgot to open the box (...)
o_O
yeah old
BTW, is TGLGJ#3 on 22nd of March?
that would make it a month and it's a saturday
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, I'm thinking third weekend of every month. (Even though I can't take part on this one)
@R.MartinhoFernandes whyyyy
we are all here for the robot
or using righfold's language, you can not not participate
14:03
I'll try to put up a poll for how people want it to work this time.
@BartekBanachewicz I've had something planned for that weekend for a while now.
that's suck.
I'm still up for doing all the logistics stuff.
I'll help you ofc. We can talk about it later, I have to go for the important business settlers of catan meeting.
(Because you're all a bunch of lazy fucks and cannot be trusted to do it :P)
14:05
@BartekBanachewicz Hey, I put a smiley.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha DSP
can someone help me a bit with a casting problem that is in c#? (c# room is empty sorry)
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes reminds me of @thecoshman
@CatPlusPlus crazy cool name btw xD
Xeo
Xeo
14:07
and will probably remind him that he forgot something
@EvilGoat the C# room being empty makes our room relevant how?
@Xeo My week is ruined.
@Xeo the problem I have does not seem language specific, so I figured I could ask someone in here maybe
Why not language specific?
Many languages don't have "casts".
plus many people know more than one language so in a room with many people that are fluent in C++ could be someone who know their way and pm me to help :)
The ones that do have many different rules among them.
14:10
@EvilGoat ask read msdn
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have a good pointthere
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How do I relocate messages to the C# room. :S
user1804599
The room name is too short for the search field to find anything.
user1804599
Wait, I'll just rename the C# room for a second. :P
hahahahaha
Xeo
Xeo
fuck, why is my leg hurting so badly today
@Xeo :'( it's still haunting me. @R.MartinhoFernandes it never goes away!
Oh buttcoiners
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@R.MartinhoFernandes The holy, magic US dollar can't be associated with black marker activity like bitcoins can!
14:20
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's nice to see politicians ain't all boring crap.
14:34
Uh, Ubisoft sent me an email in German.
> Bitcoin has strong champions from the libertarian wing of the tech community, who prefer an untraceable alternative to an official government-backed currency (the dollar).
Ah, politics.
Yo guys.
What's this channel about?
anime
sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
I thought it was about ponies.
hmmm
I hate calling people so very much
what's wrong with email
oh there is an email address, I should use that in the future.
14:48
Emails are meant to be read once or twice per day. That's why for some things, emails are inappropriate.
So what's with the "The only hope for humanity." then?
Xeo
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel lol?
we're the only ones good-looking enough to have sex with
Xeo
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel 'untraceable', eh
user1804599
15:00
@user17753 Poop.
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@user17753 Cat's depression.
Planning to move to Montreal in the upcoming year: would you guys know any good company looking for C++ developers ?
@ereOn ask @EtiennedeMartel
he lives in Canada
@rightfold poor Cat :(
@TonyTheLion: Thanks for the info.
@EtiennedeMartel: Was told you live in Canada. Would you happen to know any good company for a C++ job (ideally close to Montreal) ?
user3010322
THere's a C++14 meetup here at March 27
15:34
@ereOn Pretty much any game developer works primarily in C++.
I strongly expect this. Have you tried? Update 59 seconds later: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/69e331d13cef1c65sehe 1 min ago
What makes people ask before they try?
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Laziness.
@ereOn By the way, we're hiring.
@user17753 The quintessence of this room, duh
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They are lazy fucks.
15:36
@rightfold I don't understand
@EtiennedeMartel: Never worked on games (except for some OpenGL/Direct X trials when I was 17). Don't such jobs require a previous specific experience ? (Don't get me wrong, I would love to work in a new domain)
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@sehe Do you really not understand or do you just say that for weird reasons I don't understand?
@ereOn Usually, no.
@rightfold I don't understand how people mistake failure-avoidance for lazyness
Unless we're talking about a specific job like 3D or physics programmer.
15:38
@EtiennedeMartel That's interesting. What is your company (if you are allowed to tell that information) and/or where are you based ?
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People do not want to do anything now.
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No matter what benefits that brings in the future.
@ereOn Ludia. We're in the Vieux-Montréal.
user1804599
(And you know that.)
posted on March 06, 2014

Whenever we do floating-point input, we know exactly what the input is, and we also know exactly what precision the result should have. The hard problem, then, is how to specify the behavior of floating-point output.

15:41
@EtiennedeMartel: Awesome ! Thanks for that. Gonna take a look tonight. Not sure when to start applying to jobs as I only plan to move at the end of the year.
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lol
user1804599
I just typed exit in a chat window instead of hitting control+W.
figuratively laughing my ass off now
16:07
yeah you needed to specify that
so there's this fusor community
it's pretty cool
it's one of the cool communities in the internet
and...?
it's cool
cool stuff is cool
@Stacked only one version of clang in Coliru?
I'm terrible at UI design
16:22
Hmm, and no libc++ :S
You're putting Wide and you don't have clang properly yet :<
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't believe it works- I'm pretty sure he tried.
I also disapprove of having a prerelease build of clang and no release build.
Wide uses the 3.4 release :P
@TonyTheLion nah, really?
clang++ is the prerelease.
16:26
yeah the Wide deployment only contains the Wide binaries, no Clang binaries.
does coliru have wget?
@thecoshman Yes, but no external connection.
That one made me laugh.
It's been beaten to death too.
And it's also FUD too.
@DeadMG Ubuntu sucks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes AFAIK it's libc++ which sucks. Also, Ubuntu sucks too.
"Ubuntu, the only real Linux, free as in beer and as in freedom ! [45% OFF ON ALL HARRY POTTER BOOKS ON AMAZON WITH THIS COUPON ! UBUNTUFREE4EVER]"
@DeadMG Dunno, I just ran # emerge libcxx and everything magically worked. I can also install several side-by-side versions of clang with no trouble.
yeah I'm not saying you can't have side by side versions of clang
but I would not take for granted that any install procedure for libc++ works.
Worked for me.
Single instruction.
16:35
that is totally unhelpful and unimportant.
Many other people managed to install it without hassle with different installation procedures.
I remember @Xeo had it running fine on Debian.
Xeo
Xeo
ye
I should set up a debian vm sometime again
Btw, did you managed to skip the ncurses bullshit?
@Borgleader every browser except firefox is high
naw I think that Cat just installed it and then I linked to it
16:42
Ah.
Portage lets me specify no ncurses when installing it, so I assume their build system supports that somehow.
@thecoshman lol
I think it does
but since ncurses doesn't come with GCC by default, I'm amazed they depend on it by default.
kinda like how they build without RTTI by default just to dick around everyone who needs it
They must support no-curses build if they want Windows support, though
yeah, like I said, there is a build option for it when you build LLVM.
it's just insane that they ship depending on ncurses by default
16:53
haha
what browser is that ?
user1804599
IE.
, also known as Internet Explorer-tan, is a moe anthropomorphism mascot character of the Internet Explorer web browser, created by Microsoft Singapore in celebration of Anime Festival Asia 2013. The character is designed by Waha, a painter in the dōjin team Collateral Damage Studios, animation by CACANi, on the same day of which a video of related characters was posted to the online video sharing website YouTube. Inori Aizawa was initially only an original dōjin work, whose inspiration came from Danny Choo (producer of Culture Japan)'s reposting moe anthropomorphism images about Safari, C...
Gosh. I just accidentally triggered the shortcut for "Full Rebuild" instead of "Set As Startup Project". For the second time in < 20 minutes.
This implies I'll have to wait another 10 minutes. I think I'll go home
Love how the onebox freaks out with the Chinese and Japanese renditions of the name to the point of clipping everything before it. I wonder what kind of stupid logic is behind that.
@rightfold That would logically include the "asking someone" part.
17:01
Unicode is hard
Chat is programmed Very Good (tm)
@KonradRudolph wait, what, are you serious? I would probably curse when I saw that code. — sehe 25 secs ago
Ugh nested conditionals
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LOL
@KonradR I prefer short, and I use functional style in many places. However, the ternary needlessly makes it hard to discern what happens. I have a hunch this could be a 'clamping' function and it should be some composition of mins and maxes anyways.
user1804599
17:09
That’s what she said.
Powerline freaks out with Unicode too.
Idiots everywhere.
it works even with the mouse in android mode xD
@R.MartinhoFernandes This is funny considering it relies on private-use characters
DirectX 12 announcement announced, it's over, OpenGL and Mantle are finished! :p
@CatPlusPlus It's not even anything particularly fucked-up like bidi controls or whatnot. I pasted 藍澤 祈 from the wikipedia page above into a random buffer to ga it and forgot to delete it before compiling. Then all hell broke loose.
17:13
Find the odd one out
(It's Intel)
user1804599
AMD!
@CatPlusPlus How come?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh
They all make processors.
they make a lot of GPUs these days.
don't see why that's so odd
17:14
@EtiennedeMartel It's the Intel GPU joke
aRGh, broken std::mismatch, we meet again.
user1804599
The Intel one is the only one which is blue.
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Hence it’s odd.
@rightfold The nvidia one is the only one to be green
user1804599
No, the background is green too.
17:17
@rightfold We're talking about logos.
@rightfold I have my new server!
user1804599
Ok.
countdown is starting
btw anyone is doing something like this. I had the idea to use continuous integration for my nginx server config.
I push my webconfigs to bitbucket and it get deployed... sounds nice
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix countdown to?
user1804599
17:24
% cat hello
#!/usr/bin/env clj

(println "Hello World!")
% time ./hello
Hello World!
./hello  2.14s user 0.23s system 47% cpu 4.986 total
% time ./hello
Hello World!
./hello  2.07s user 0.10s system 162% cpu 1.331 total
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:[
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> 162% CPU
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Fucking hello world.
@Borgleader one year without rebooting the server unless I need to.. (and I mean something critical)
It's not as if I'm hosting anything critical at the moment
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I just passed the half year mark on mine yesterday.
FUCK YOU windows.h
17:37
@rightfold That's intense, man. When I run that code I get 143-145% CPU. What the.. But it does init some stuff.
> please can you write all the code because i liked you design and i want to use it in my apps , because when i copyed the code. i got many error in the first time "' already contains a definition for "the name of apps", and the seconde time i coudn't add an event handler. I need some Help Please if you can send me on my email the code Source '[email protected]'. Thank you!!
Winrar.
linkage?
extern "crap"
user1804599
It’s slightly faster with AOT compilation.
user1804599
I should try it with an SSD.
17:49
@rightfold I did using an SSD on a PCIe bus :)
@EtiennedeMartel link?
@Jefffrey It was a deleted answer.
user1804599
@MortenKristensen how long did it take?
@EtiennedeMartel I can see deleted answers
17:52
@rightfold It's consistent about the CPU usage:
./hello 1.10s user 0.05s system 145% cpu 0.796 total
./hello 1.11s user 0.06s system 145% cpu 0.804 total
./hello 1.10s user 0.05s system 144% cpu 0.797 total
./hello 1.10s user 0.06s system 145% cpu 0.792 total
user1804599
Oh, total time is still unacceptable.
user1804599
Ah fuck it; I’m writing a long-running daemon anyway.
Yeah fuck it
That is sweet :D Love that language
18:05
@MortenKristensen the story is about a guy going in the jungle to eat poop of wild animals
user1804599
Sounds like us.
Oh definitely, @Bartek ;)
Sounds like some of us
> Like a hungry leopard searching the forest, with great dignity and certainty of the rightness of their actions, with the majestic calm and focus the mind worthy of a Buddhist meditator, wander the endless trails of the valley of the Congo in search of warm aromatic stools of wild animals to be able to satisfy your hunger so hard to describe and uświadczyć palate the taste of this wonderful delicacy that once you find it with great reverence and dignity, and ...
> ... with the awareness of the magnificence of the moment lofty wave of the hand embrace stalker stool and sacramental silence consume your meal until my ears shaking, feeling at this state of deep cleansing of the soul and the total fulfillment of its existence.
a poet
uświadczyć = to witness
google translate started nicely but got worse about in the middle of text for some reason
after "so hard to describe and uświadczyć" it went full retard
18:13
the text goes pretty retard too so
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> signuture
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lol
Hehe, classic stuff I must say :D See you all later
@BartekBanachewicz So many weird slashes everywhere.
@sehe I dislike the conditional operator syntax (why the fuck isn’t it if (…) yes else no?!) but then, that’s C++ for you. But formatted the way I posted it, isn’t it completely clear despite the stupid ?: tack?
18:25
@EtiennedeMartel niemożliwość.
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I like ?: syntax.
@KonradRudolph because C++ is imperative not functional :v
eh, maybe I should convert this code to modern GL after all
@BartekBanachewicz How is that a reason?
@KonradRudolph if doesn't have implicit return
?: does
@BartekBanachewicz How is that a reason?
18:29
@KonradRudolph how would you disambiguate between two cases?
You are begging the question – why doesn’t if have implicit return, why was a new, completely weird syntax introduced?
ah, so it should always have implicit return for you?
user1804599
What would it do with { }?
user1804599
if is a statement, ?: is an expression.
18:30
well if can be an expression alright
@BartekBanachewicz I want sane syntax, that’s all. There is no technical difficulty here.
user1804599
You could have if syntax for the expression.
@rightfold Again, this is merely begging the question
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It wouldn’t be ambiguous either.
@KonradRudolph eh, we're stuck with legacy bullshit anyway
user1804599
18:31
Because if (x) y else z; vs. if (x) y; else z;.
C++ will never be a good programming language
and the point is that people dislike the ?: syntax sufficiently to advise against its usage, making the code unnecessarily convoluted as a result. So I think I have good evidence that ?: was a bad choice
it can get more usable over time, but the pile of bad choices is stacking up
Yes, sadly
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So don’t use C++ PROBLEM SOLVED.
user1804599
18:32
Or live with it PROBLEM ALSO SOLVED.
@rightfold I didn't want to be the one saying that.
@KonradRudolph OTOH people dislike a lot of syntax
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If you can’t change it then live with it.
Otherwise change it.
I bet I can find at least a few dozen programmers that dislike any C++ syntax you might pick.
user1804599
I don’t like Clojure’s metadata syntax either but hey w/e.
blergh my VS license expired
user1804599
18:38
Back to Vim then.
Who wants one, anyway?
British PHP. would_you_mind { ... } actually_i_do_mind (Exception £e) { ... } https://www.addedbytes.com/blog/if-php-were-british/
user1804599
Dat sigil.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd kinda like to give R#++ a try
user1804599
18:41
is_integer already exists.
user1804599
It is an alias for is_int.
hmm
now I think of it
I can have it at work!
gonna tell my manager we should buy a few licenses when it comes out. Or is it out already?
@Griwes I'm sure @LightnessRacesinOrbit would love it.
user1804599
You should come out yourself.
is there a (widely available) unwrapped weak pointer type that throws an exception on null pointer access?
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@ScottW ooooooooooohhhhhhhh yyyyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaaaah baaaaaaabbbbyyyyyy
@Borgleader pff.
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@BartekBanachewicz T* is allowed to throw an exception when it’s dereferenced and null. :D
@rightfold I'd like something with defined behaviour, that is
weak_ptr can only be constructed from a shared_ptr, right?
user1804599
Why? Do you want to catch exception?
I just had the idea that if you have the production rules of a context-free grammar, e.g. 5 possibilites for the preplacement of a charater, say, then you could assign a probability for each of them and just run a simulation of word generations after n steps, where the number of words just braches and you compute the probability for each path. what is that idea called, does it have some applicaitons?
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@BartekBanachewicz yes.
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And it will be nullified when all shared pointers are gone.
yeah, but I mean applying it to production rules of a language in particular
18:49
@NikolajK. does it matter in this case? the concept of a Markov chain is rather... generic
just wondered if that particular concept has a name, is someone worked with this
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std::markov_chain<T>.
3
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So generic.
@rightfold so yeah I need something like that for regular pointers.
to make it drop-in compatible with regular pointers
user1804599
18:51
It should not be extremely difficult to implement such a thing.
@rightfold IH syndrome
user1804599
Call it npe_ptr. :P
@Bartek PFE
Proudly Found Elsewhere
I was affected by NIH for a long time

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