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@TonyTheLion I am gonna take this serious
who the hell flagged it?
@MrAnubis in what way?
@TonyTheLion I didn't flagged , i am very low on reps
oh ok, so some lurker is flagging again, whoever you are, GTFO
C++ I/O streams is very good given "C++ standard library" by jossutis ?
i want to learn about streams in deep
@TonyTheLion Its like everyone is busy in watching the pic? can anyone reply to my above question? , thanks
no thx that girl's ugly
18:07
@JohannesSchaublitb Have you read "C++ standard library" by jossutis ?
@TonyTheLion yum ha ha
haven't read any of the hero books
@MrAnubis I guess that was the point. LOL
next time please put a button for making the towel translucent
18:09
lulz
perhaps with drop shadow effect
@JohannesSchaublitb :S changing your tune?
she's still ugly
user457812
18:10
He's just thinking of the People's needs
@TonyTheLion you're the same tony the tiger?
for the record, I flagged it
Why?
@MrAnubis yes
because it's inappropriate
OMG, this is a chat, whatever
18:12
we all know the door to nude.hu
wtf?
so are you that easily offended ?
no need to be proud that you found a nekkid girl sitting on a tub
lol
i'm just worried about this "sex" thing happening in the channel all these days
wth? are you not a human? Do you not have feelings? Sex is not an unnatural thing
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it's not abnormal to talk about it
even cleverbot talks about sex :P
18:16
lmfao
or are you just trolling?
user457812
Speaking of "this 'sex' thing," the sex tag disappeared :(
FYI, I was pretty stumped on the code thing until I realized I could use Notepad to write things down. But that idea came too late, alas. Maybe it would be a good idea to drink coffee before trying that test.
@AlfPSteinbach removed it thanksfully
it's OK to kid sometimes about the act of sex if you want. but it's weird and displaced to continuous talk about it like 5 years olds
18:21
@JohannesSchaublitb huh, i counter-flagged, but there are still to votes to flag? on the picture i mean
user457812
@JohannesSchaublitb Personally, I think if you think it's weird and displaced to talk about sex, I think that is acting like a 5 year-old.
@AlfPSteinbach not sure
lol
@nil I have to agree with you there
@nil i thought it's just a joke first, but then I noticed he posts real nude pics
all this flagging is childish, esp for things like that
@JohannesSchaublitb she ain't nude dude
18:24
:O
user457812
Well the nice lady up there isn't exactly nude - she's got a towel.
that rhymes, lol
some of us are in this cannel during work. what do you think shall we tell our boss if he finds us "sufing porn sites!"??
... you're not on a porn site?
for work?
18:25
@TonyTheLion yes she is. she's just protecting herself with a towel...
user457812
That said, I don't really agree with posting pictures like that, but that's the inner 5 year-old in me screaming "SHE'S GOT COOTIES!"
@JohannesSchaublitb so you can't see things, so it's not really nude
OMG, I can't believe I'm wasting my time having this conversation with a bunch of children
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@JohannesSchaublitb FTR, I flagged that. If four of us join, you idiot will be banned for half an hour.
user457812
Also, my personal opinion of you being in a chatroom at work is not good.
18:27
every chat where the people chatting exchange porn pictures is by definition a porn site IMO
user457812
I think you might be confused about what a porn site is. O_o
Exchange?
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18:28
@nil From what I know about him, he might just be trolling. But that would be just as stupid.
@sbi no I wont...
Hey guys, relax. This is just a chat.
@AlfPSteinbach why is the chick nude?
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Sep 12 at 21:05, by sbi
This shall be my policy henceforth: If I see a message flagged for stupid reasons, I'm going to ask a mod to step in and block the idiot who did it to prevent him from wasting out attention. So you might want to explain yourself when you flag something.
it's blatantly offensive of you, hence I flagged you for moderator attention
user457812
18:29
@LewsTherin Why not?
@JohannesSchaublitb Tell him/her the definition of porn.
@LewsTherin because of all the sex talk here. and btw. at first i thought they were just kidding, that she's just spinning clockwise. but actually you can switch the direction in your mind, there's no spin direction imposed by the visual data
@AlfPSteinbach Well that test certainly isn't of the same caliber as the first!
king kong is really angry?
18:32
@sbi acting like that and removing people from the room owners list just because you happen to disagree with them is not constructive at all
if you want to arose yourself, go and watch the full and uncensored list of nude pictures. no need to keep a dirty place in here for your desires, really
@AlfPSteinbach I tried it doesn't work...I'm definitely not creative
@JohannesSchaublitb arouse
@sbi no, I made appropriate use of flagging. his message was inappropriate
he he opposite of me. but i just needed to relax a bit to get counter-clockwise
as is your message. please stop insulting me
user457812
I can swap the rotation pretty easily, not sure how though
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18:34
@JohannesSchaublitb I suppose you are trolling. Nobody could be that stupid. I have more kids than some of you had girlfriends. The last thing I need is pix of nude girls.
@AlfPSteinbach xD my Jedi mind tricks aren't working on that for sure
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@JohannesSchaublitb Plonk!
user457812
Alright, I think I got the trick down
user457812
18:36
Focus on the extended foot
now i think king kong is really angry
monsieurs calm down please
sigh
@nil does it work for ya now?
WOW I got it working
no way!!
She just randomly started spinning the other way! :S
user457812
Yeah, it just kind of switches
So it isn't me controlling it then? That sucks
@AlfPSteinbach which one are good , right brained or left brained ?
18:49
Heh Octoberfest
can't wait for it :)
wow, i can switch between both directions effortlessly :)
@MrAnubis underbrain?
user457812
Lizard brain is best brain
Just a story about an elephant brain.
user457812
I should get lunch before I starve myself. Again.
19:09
According to the test i am right brained
and i am little bit genius also :)
@JohannesSchaublitb how do you recognize them?
@AlfPSteinbach hmm
don't know what you mean
the pic looks real to me -.-
@JohannesSchaublitb i mean, how do you recognize the "real nude" pics as such?
i mean, first I thought they are joking and just make verbal jokes with that term. but I wouldn't have thought they post pics into here for general arousement/amusement/whatever (I don't wanna know)
@AlfPSteinbach are you 48??
19:16
Just watched the movie Pirates of Silicon valley
so bill gates never made DOS ?
@JohannesSchaublitb I don't care for the pics but I don't go out of my way to flag/comment on them. What pushes you to do just that?
I want to help keep this place clean
@JohannesSchaublitb Is there a particular reason for that? And what makes a picture not 'clean' or appropriate?
(I don't want to come off as pushy, sorry. I'd rather have a discussion than let things in this sorry state of affairs.)
I think I may have overacted a bit though
but that doesn't warrant the offensive reaction some of the people got into IMO.
Well that flagging business has been riling up people for some time now.
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19:25
@vivek no, Bill just bought QDOS, which was short for Quick and Dirty OS. Then they removed the Q, and changed the meaning of D from Dirty to Disk. And then licensed the thing to IBM.
@AlfPSteinbach So he's a very good businessman , not great programmer
@vivek actually, as far as I know, Bill didn't ever himself create any popular software, not even the Basic he's famous for. That Basic was made by two of his college buddies. He helped them sell it, untested.
@AlfPSteinbach I pity those people behind QDOS and Basic.
Apple steals from Xerox and Microsoft steals from Apple.
This world is so bad
@vivek you can add to the list, the people behind disk compression (Finnish Stacker), the people behind uhm whatever Microsoft appears to have made that works
@vivek Apple did not steal from Xerox. Apple was one of the companies (along with HP and Tektronix etc.) that participated in Xerox' technology trial, or "test". At Apple the immediate result of that was the Apple Lisa, running Smalltalk.
19:34
ok
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources"
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One of the fun facts resulting from that was how Tektronix realized that bitmapped graphics was too sloooooooooooooooooooooow on a vector terminal: they actually built the hardware before realizing.
@AlfPSteinbach can you explain this a bit ?
@JohannesSchaublitb So when are you moving to Sweden to complete your Masters?
xD I think i will do it where I did the bachelor
fall next year
@vivek oh, you'd need to know what a vector terminal is, first. but anyway, a main result of the experiments with workstations such as the Alto, was that you needed a so called BITBLT (Bit block transfer) chip, later called a "blitter", and nowadays called "graphics card", in order to move bits in images sufficiently fast. Tektronix, who at that time made serially connected terminals, didn't grok that.
19:39
now, I get it
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@LucDanton Frankly, I don't care about those pix @Tony keeps posting either. I never found those powdered pinup girls attractive, they are in an age range I am not interested in anymore, and the last thing I come here for is such pix. (I mean, with a net full of free hardporn, why would anyone come here for arousing pix??)
But it is as you say, this flagging nonsense has seriously gotten out of hand and got us all up and in arms. A room owner shouldn't participate in such nonsense. If anyone objects to anything posted here, they can just speak up and say so. Flagging instead is cowardice.
Seriously, why do some people NOT accept any answers?
@sbi lol, I guess I'm better off not posting anything anymore, cause it seems to be more commotion then it's worth. Such a waste of time to even have this discussion Honestly, if someone comes here, and can't handle that, then they obviously shouldn't even be on the internet.
@robert I have not asked enough question for this to be a problem, but I am sure that if I asked questions regularly, then there would be many where no single answer was "the solution". The concept of "the solution" is hare-brained, an idiot's concept. I don't know why SO has it.
Yes, in some situations, a single answer just doesn't fit, and then it's hard to have an "accepted answer"
19:50
@AlfPSteinbach I'm talking about dumb people that are too lazy to select the answer that is clearly the best.
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@AlfPSteinbach SO has it because it strifes to get questions to which there is a single answer as a solution.
People that have an accept rate little above 0%.
@sbi In the final analysis I do not think there is any such question. Conformists may agree that a lot of questions are of that nature. But on closer inspection, I cannot remember ever having seen or heard a question with a single ultimate answer.
Not even "what's 2+2"?
@AlfPSteinbach Can you direct me to some resources for learning c++? (hopefully, I am not askin a stupid question)
@AlfPSteinbach 'Conformists' in the sense that they conform to what?
19:53
My answer to that is not "it's 4", but "it's a silly question".
@AlfPSteinbach 4
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@AlfPSteinbach Maybe. But it's pointless to argue. The intent of this whole website is to gather good, easily googlable questions, to each of which a single right answer can be given. Either you accept that, or you should move one.
@LucDanton Conforming is always (by definition) wrt. some authority. Which is often some group pressure.
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@AlfPSteinbach That option exists here, too. You can close such questions easily.
@AlfPSteinbach Yes; which authority is what I'm asking about.
19:56
@Luc: different people can conform to the same idea for different reasons. for example, in germany as well as norway (and a host of other countries) in the 1930's and 1940's, many people conformed to the ideals of a so called "socialist" movement, which later became known as fascism and branded right-wing. it's an interesting exercise to try to identify the various authorities that people conformed to.
@sbi no, you can't, because "such questions" include all questions on SO.
Oh my god, what have I done ...
user457812
FYI, 2+2 = mongoose.
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@AlfPSteinbach All questions on SO are "What's 2+2?" questions? Am I missing something or are you just plain silly?
@sbi What do you mean by that?
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@AlfPSteinbach Actually, at least for Germany this is wrong. "Socialism" is not the same as "National Socialism", although the latter tried to rip off votes from the former by its pick of name. In fact, many of those whose ultimate goal was socialistic died in the nazi's concentration camps.
@ManofOneWay Which that?
20:11
wouldn't it be fun if C++ compilers were a bit more arousing?
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No.
well, you know, nothing very explicit, but e.g., instead of "error: ...", it could say "you're screwed: ..." ?
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@TonyTheLion Frankly, I'm tempted to encourage you to continue, just to spite those "clean web" nonsense nazis.
Can you guyz direct me to some resources for learning c++, please ?
@sbi I perceived your comment as that you thought that every question on SO is a "What's 2+2?"
20:14
@vivek ok i'll teach you if you want
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@AlfPSteinbach In the late 90ies/early 2000s I heard about a C compiler that used to emit funny error messages (on the Mac?), but it was told as a legend even back then, and I have no idea whether it's been true.
@AlfPSteinbach great
:)
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@ManofOneWay No. I was asking @Alf whether he really meant that, because it was the logical deduction from what he said.
i looked at your SO profile and you already feel comfortable giving answers about arrays and addresses and prrintf
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Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkProvide QUALITY books and an approximate skill level. Add a short blurb/description about each book that you have personally read/benefited from. Feel free to debate quality, headings, etc. Books that meet the criteria will be added to the list. Books that have reviews by the Association of C an...

20:16
Compilers even today are funny
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@vivek You are confusing "confusing" with "funny". That's not funny.
@AlfPSteinbach I have reached till templates
@vivek There are whole books on Templates
well, they're difficult to get right. still, i think @sbi mentioned once that templates are introduced very early in "Accelerated C++"
and I agree that basic use of templates belongs early in the learning process
@sbi Well, compilers will sometimes tell you " This is what you should have done, I know, but I wont correct it"
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20:18
@vivek Really, I'm serious about that book list. There's gazillions of bad websites and tutorials out there (and we're talking factual errors here, not bad style), and hundreds of bad books, too. There's a very few good books out there. Those are all listed in that question.
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@sbi reading it right now
I always find it hard to read books. It usually ends with me starting to skip pages because I want to find out more faster.
But that's just my bad discipline I guess
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@AlfPSteinbach No, I haven't said that. At least I hope I haven't, because it's wrong. What the book is known for, and what made it revolutionary, is the simple (and obvious, now we know about it) idea that you can use language constructs without knowing how their inner mechanics work. So you can use std::vector<> without having heard about templates and all that fancy stuff that makes it work.
(It's just like in other languages, where nobody would question teaching to use the string type if you couldn't create one yourself.)
I read a book named "Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Robert Lafore" in high school
haven't read any other after that
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@vivek Ah, that. Well, for one, most of us who have seen error messages resulting from templates in the mid-to-late 90ies appreciate that effort. Plus, compilers can (and should) only read source files, so by design they cannot fix anything. (And the last thing I wanted is for the compiler go and "fix" my code.)
@vivek If it's not on the list, there is only a very slight chance that it's just not well-known enough despite being good. Rather more likely, though, it's not good enough to make it onto the list.
20:28
@sbi : I started reading Exceptional C++ , where herb sutter favoured vector.at(), but then you guyz made it clear that vector[i] is more appropriate
if its that old, then should I still read it ?
20:45
@vivek For most practical purposes, C++ has remained unchanged since 1998 (and for "beginners", it was pretty stable a couple of years before that even). As such, just being older doesn't necessarily mean a book is poor. IMO, Exceptional C++ is a perfectly fine book, even today. Using .at() vs. [] is mostly a question of the situation, not timing.
after reading this stackoverflow.com/questions/388242/… , I will read C++ primer and then C++ Templates: The Complete Guide
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@vivek Sutter's EC++ is an excellent book, but not "second C++ book" material. Not at all. You need a good first book to introduce you to the language, you then need a good "best practices" book to show you the common pitfalls and idioms to avoid them. The book list lists a few good ones for both categories.
@sbi I think C++ primer will get me to know the language well
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@vivek If it's the one by Stan Lippman, then yes. It's on the list because it's good.
@sbi may I know what books you have read ?
20:52
@LucDanton WOW i still can't believe how our answers matched!
@JohannesSchaublitb We've discussed these things before, haven't we?
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@vivek Most of the descriptive texts originally were from me. :)
BTW it's also possible in C++11 to say initializer_list<int>{ []()->int { stmt; return 0; }() ... }
@LucDanton oh I don't remember anymore :)
but unfortunately GCC doesn't support that yet
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Ok, so by now four people have agreed with @Johannes that those two messages of mine are offensive. With the next agreeing vote I'll be banned for 30mins. I'm not going to sit here to wait for that to happen. Good night, folks, I have better stuff to do than banging my head against brick-walled minds.
I know I didn't learn that bit about void() on my own at least.
20:54
@sbi you read them all !!
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@vivek No, most != all. Most of the beginner's books I used for teaching. Few I read from front to cover.
Good night.
I loved him :(
@sbi and Johannes can't we have a truce
i'm not sure why you think that there's war
@sbi Good Night and Thank you
20:57
to be fair, I went to IRC and gave them the link to this chat session
@JohannesSchaublitb There have been some heated arguments
Good night all
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hm so is there another C++ channel on IRC?
I have been reading about this since i have been here.
21:23
Blah.
Guess I missed some more politics.
@RMartinhoFernandes Ohai.
wow, usability fail.
you can no longer write comments for an answer @ the answerer
get an error popup saying the answerer always gets notified, and you can only notify one user
way to break something that worked perfectly before
Yeah, noticed that. If you notify two people, you can't post.
21:33
and if you notify one person, you can't post either, if that person would've been implicitly notified anyway
that's just stupid
I wouldn't mind the warning about multiple notifications not working, but it could at least let me post it nonetheless.
user457812
I remember reading about that.. I think requests to change it back were shot down immediately
That notification thing is ridiculous. You should be able to @ who you want, and if it wants to turn that into a single notice behind the scenes (as it should) then great. But it's nice in a non-threaded comment model to be able to indicate who you are replying to.
user457812
Crap, I'm out of pizza
Anyone here plays Minecraft?
21:42
@RMartinhoFernandes I do.
Nice. I updated to 1.8 and the UI has some new stuff I never saw before.
user457812
I play it once a month, then get bored when I remember I don't feel like punching trees anymore.
@RMartinhoFernandes Food stacks!
Is that what those chicken leg things or something to the right of the hearts mean?
And it's now used for that new Food gauge
Tap forward twice and you can sprint.
21:44
Regular food intake is now in the game?
Sprint, jumping and swimming depletes the food bar faster (and yeah it naturally decays).
On the other hand, if you're over 80% satiated, you regen life.
Neat. Feels more NetHack-y.
Sadly mushroom stews don't stack, which is sad given how funny mushrooms are now (try a bone meal on a mushroom, but make sure you have enough room before).
I used to farm wheat for food, as it stacks.
Bread didn't :)
Had a chicken coop on my server but latest news is that they all mysteriously burned up.
21:49
Yeah, but you can just make the bread on the spot.
No you couldn't, you needed to set up shop and afterwards tear down the table.
Hardly convenient in dangerous situations :(
I always carry a spare workbench with me :)
I have been avoiding Minecraft largely because it requires having java or something installed, if I recall, and I explicitly do not install java anything
Also, I've watched some YouTube videos and been underwhelmed, so I don't know that I want to see the inner beauty of the game for fear of losing the perspective of it being lame. :)
I feel the same way about world of warcraft.
Well, it's your loss.
I've watched otherwise very intelligent people seem to lose their minds playing WoW
This, however, is a good game. :) youtube.com/watch?v=WwUkVzz25BQ
22:37
C++ Y U FLAG
Your officially worse then the android room :(
22:57
Hi
anybody here have good experience in opencv ?
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