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14:00
@LightnessRacesinOrbit, you stingy
@jalf not at all, we currently have 13
mr5
mr5
why did you deleted my comment ?
@thecoshman Do you have another way to keep garbage posts out of this room?
@jalf Nope. There was a time when we had like 30 or so I think.
Xeo
Xeo
because you're annoying
14:00
@mr5 ¬_¬ he's being a dick.
@mr5 We have only told you 14 times so far
Xeo
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@thecoshman no, he is being a dick
@mr5 because you are trying to show off the skills that you don't have ...
@mr5 Because we do not give a fuck about your GUI framework and this is the wrong place to ask and you refuse to respect this and insist on wasting more of our time and we want you to stop
Xeo
Xeo
@DeadMG I don't think we ever had quite that many
14:01
@Xeo Hmm, it was certainly a lot more than we have now.
good job guys! first sign of someone and it's right back to old habits
mr5
mr5
k.
@thecoshman old habits die hard
@thecoshman Well, do you have a better suggestion?
@thecoshman It's not. He was greeted properly.
14:01
@thecoshman By that you mean, "We spent the last 20 minutes explaining to him in detail why he shouldn't just try to beg a solution off us, and he's still trying to help vampire us"?
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it originally started with 'the guys on the frequent user list', which only holds 10 and fluctuates quite a bit
@R.MartinhoFernandes And he got a chance to ask his question and start a discussion
Yea, at least his greeting wasn't binned
Honestly, the mindless and rude insta-binning bothered me too, but I really seriously do not see the slightest problem in this case.
rofl! garbage person really tried hard to ignore the rubbish, but failed
14:02
@Xeo And is also powered by unknown algorithm that makes no sense
rubbish: 1 garbage collector: 0
the problem isn't the users who dump their code/problem here
it's the users who stick around and keep trying even after we make it clear we're not interested.
@CatPlusPlus because fuck logic
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Xeo
so we introduced a buffer of +2, and would drop people from the owner list if they didn't show up on the frequent user list for a while
we've got no other solution against them.
14:03
@thecoshman Even you were one of the first to tell him to go on SO chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/14467191#14467191
@CatPlusPlus I'm still winning, so it makes total sense.
Xeo
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I think it's simply amount of chat messages
@Xeo Fluctuates too wildly.
@Xeo I doubt it
personally, I don't really see the big deal either way.
Anyway, seems they finally got the hint.
14:04
I was just curious cause I clearly forgot that jalf is not an owner.
Topic changing privileges are very important
And I gotta run.
@CatPlusPlus Honestly, that's the part of room ownership I miss the most :)
owners = garbage collectors? so really should depend on the quantity of the influx of newbs
14:05
problem solved :)
because be frank, owners don't really do much else
@DeadMG yeah, assuming an owner can be trusted to not take the piss, I don't see a reason to limit so much.
flags are hardly ever used on regulars
@jalf That's the only part of room ownership
I wonder if there is a limit though...
Xeo
Xeo
14:06
@CatPlusPlus binning!
When you think about it, the message moving functionality makes no sense at all
as far as I'm aware, binning is basically it's only real use
@CatPlusPlus spamming others vOv
yeah thanks to whoever changed the topic to lounge<gay> now the whole internet knows you people are ... umm ... yeah ...
@DeadMG in which case, shouldn't there be a better system for it?
14:07
oh
sometimes I also cancel stars.
Binning is not intended use
usually happens if the starboard is filled with 1-star messages.
if 'binning' is the only purpose to moving, then why not let owners mark a post as 'binned' and have it auto hide that post for everyone.
because that would require some actual development effort on the chat.
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Xeo
@thecoshman gl proposing that
14:08
It's not by design
and as we all know, SO devs do not maintain this chat.
It was something the chat users came up with
we've gotten something like six features in three years, and they were all trivial stuff like oneboxing more websites or fixing reply-quotes.
And multi-line quotes
@DeadMG look on the bright side, at least we can actually mark the anniversary of these features bug fixes
14:09
But not multi-line other formatting, because EVERY MULTILINE MESSAGE IS CODE (unless it's quote)
@CatPlusPlus what if you quote code?
What I'm saying is that SO chat devs are bad
And the design is :psyduck:
s/chat //
Here we go again
Summoning @balpha
@CatPlusPlus it is because 1) chat is not SO's main functionality & 2) not main income source, thus chat = low priority
14:10
vOv i actually like the design of chat... (assuming you mean the looks)
No, I don't mean the looks
Though I am still trying to wrap my head around why the text box is only this wide, but the transcript is wider
Has anyone written a superset of C/C++ or any language supported by clang or do I have to actually think about it on my own
Because reasons
@Purrformance ... why do you need it in the first place?
14:11
@Purrformance wat
@Purrformance Clang implements several C++ supersets already
@Purrformance Why the fuck would you want a language based on C++
(also Objective-C++, have fun)
as far as I'm aware I'm the only one in the room who's done any development on top of Clang w.r.t. C++
Some guis want me to extend the OpenCL grammar "properly" (they use RegEx for textual searc&replace so far). So I figured either I write a parser for OpenCL either I reuse clang.
@CatPlusPlus Explains everything.
14:12
OpenCL is a subset of C. With some slight changes.
@Purrformance You don't want to re-use Clang's code unless you really, really have to.
it'll be easy to crack up a parser for give-or-take C.
@DeadMG I guessed so. Thanks for the confirmation!
I feel like giving up already
~laziness~
Good morning gents
Or maybe I can use Ira Baxter's parser! /cc @sbi
@ALOToverflow Good morning fine Sir
14:23
so if you make an array, does it initialize all the values to 0 or something? Is that a poor assumption to make?
@Crowz IIRC it's a PITA to try to remember, so just init stuff yourself :P
@Crowz No it doesn't.
Is it weird that I find entertainment value in @Cat's grump most of the time?
2 grumpy cats now?
it's so weird to write C++ after spending so long writing JS and python...
14:33
After I had been writing Python for about 9 months (long ago) I was having problems with semicolons in C++.
14:48
@wilx Weird, I think Python also accepts semicolons, right? They're just not necessary.
@ScarletAmaranth Exactly, thus nobody writes them actually.
user1804599
Yes, but PEP 8 forbids them so only noobs use them.
@wilx Well, I find indentation-bound semantics weird, usually. I don't mind only in Haskell, for some reason.
I want to indent my code in weird ways and fashions if necessary.
user1804599
Python with Perl syntax would be cool.
@rightfold write it
14:55
so I totally didn't zone out of everything for some amount of time listening to a song(s)
@CatPlusPlus those crazy mofos
Better than __declspec(align(#)), can I tell the compiler "align this thing to the closest bigger power of two" without having to care about the underlying size of the struct I'm aligning? I know the answer is "no" but I'm asking anyway.
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@Purrformance meta-program it
i.e., calculate the next bigger power of two
@Xeo Yeah, I was wondering if there was already something built-in.
user1804599
@Abyx hmm.
15:02
rip current zoidproject
@Purrformance hmmm... I don't think so.
user1804599
Nono.
user1804599
I am still going to work on Flame and Styx tonight.
user1804599
But I will keep it in mind.
15:03
++zoidprojects
rip in peace
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@rightfold but only tonight
@Purrformance why would you need that?
user1804599
@Xeo Nono.
15:06
@jalf I'm trying to salvage the code of the company I'm working for. They have a type system in which they define structs using macros and calculate alignment manually.
@Purrformance I have this for it. But you still need to write aligner<T>::type.
@Griwes Oh, great! Thank you. Ah, C++11.
My chair is getting really uncomfortable
user1804599
I sit in a so-called managers chair.
user1804599
It is pretty nice.
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Xeo
15:08
'chefsessel'?
@CatPlusPlus get another chair, problem solved
@Purrformance __attribute__((__align__((size)))) or something vOv
@Purrformance save yourself the time/hassle/pain; die
user1804599
@Xeo chefszetel? :D
cpx
cpx
As long as there's "Lounge" in the title I know where to come xD
15:09
@thecoshman You know what, I was just thinking that.
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@cpx so that is our camouflaging flaw...
@DeadMG we got the problem!
Nothing inherently C++11 there, except for constexpr (which you can implement by other templates) and alignas (which you can do using attribute or declspec or something).
@Griwes Yes precisely I'm trying to avoid that. The types are generated through macros and still they are specifying alignment manually.
I think I'll just die.
@Purrformance can I request you do something dramatic, and on film, send me the only copy, and I can get satisfaction via reddit Karma
15:10
reddit can go fuck itself
Oh here's an assert in a default constructor: "this constructor must never be called!"
@Purrformance but karma :(
@Purrformance Genius.
Why did I apply again
@Purrformance you wanted IRL points?
user1804599
cicada u r hot
15:16
@rightfold no no no, you got it all confused. Cicada was an alias. Purrformance is a dirty (certainly) French (by the sounds of it) man (or very butch woman) who took cover as a blond (though probably bleached) polish (apparently) girl
user1804599
Probably still hot.
come on zoidberg no need to be a scumbag
user1804599
Indeed. You’re not hot.
@rightfold well, if it doesn't wimp out, we can all take turns spit roasting it in Berlin.
user3010322
@Purrformance What... what company are you working for? o.0
user3010322
15:19
So I can avoid them forever in the future? :D
user1804599
@thecoshman I do not go to Berlin.
@rightfold then you can suck my shit
user1804599
I can do that regardless.
user1804599
But I never will.
oh I'm sorry, that made it sound like I was giving you a choice.
15:24
@Purrformance oh fun... :)
user3010322
q_q Purrformance won't respond to me. u.u
user3010322
Holding out critical information necessary for my success in da futuuure!
@ThePhD I will not name them. It will be written on my epitaph.
user3010322
Hopefully they're not global and I don't accidentally apply to them.
They are not. However they are in love with globals.
15:33
hmm... tempted to get a stick, and write on it 'concerns'. If people at work ask me about it, I can write on a sticky note 'concerns', ask them to just stick it to there head. Then tell them "You have concerns, I have concerns, right? Do you want to keep these separate or smash them together?"
> to two
user1804599
user3010322
@Purrformance Pat Pat. There, there. The good thing is that you're there, fixing everything up!
@ThePhD rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
user3010322
Haha, if I worked for a shitty software company, I'd do it.
user1804599
15:35
@ThePhD Postman Pat
oh, and maybe I should I also just get a ball of nails, and have it labeled 'exception'. That should be self explanatory... "do you really want me throw it for something trivial?"
@Purrformance I hope the pay is good
ITT Cicada finds out what 'professional' software development is like.
I hope the pay is bad.
@ALOToverflow It's an internship. Read: "no".
15:36
I hope that only good jobs have good pay.
@R.MartinhoFernandes See you in Berlin.
Nice. So you know where not to go
@R.MartinhoFernandes a fools hope
Stop being an asshole and hoping for the wrong stuff.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... people are not paid for enjoying themselves. There is a reason it is also known as 'compensation'
15:39
@thecoshman I wanted to be a chef...
@Purrformance yeah... yeah chef would be nice :)
Would fit incredibly well with my gayness
@Purrformance a) fag b) I don't think chefs are really associated with being gay... at least not any more... and not in what I am exposed to.
@thecoshman It's been a long time since I haven't called someone a faggot, faggot.
Good times.
I think I've failed this exam again
15:41
@Purrformance I don't recall you ever calling someone a faggot, faggot, you faggot
fuck this shit
@thecoshman You're wrong.
fuck this subject
fuck my uni
FML
@BartekBanachewicz fuck me pls ur hot
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬ one more time, you are special
15:43
@thecoshman People are generally paid for providing value. Decent employers (of which there really are quite a few) do their best to keep their people happy while they do that. So no, you don't get to choose exactly what you do all the time, but you also aren't (or damned well shouldn't be) miserable all the time either.
I'm also having a mid-life crisis
You're younger than me.
I am 21 and I haven't done anything with my life now it's too late
That's not mid-life.
that's subjective okay
15:44
@thecoshman eh, get a better job :p
ITT Bartek has mid-life crisis at 21.
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@BartekBanachewicz Only if you plan to be dead around your mid-forties
now being serious for a while, I'm extremelly stressed out and tired
and the exam session is just starting
I'll be on skype tonight if you want to chat.
15:45
@BartekBanachewicz Life is what happens right now. There's no real beginning or end. There's only memories of the past, hopes for the future, and (the important part) what you do right now.
@BartekBanachewicz Doesn't matter. We must be pedantic. It's a quarter-life crisis.
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heh
I could use a video game.
well bright side is that I will probably get a passing grade for the soft-eng project
@BartekBanachewicz So you are telling me I have 6 months before it's too late to do anything with my life? Man.
and I have to get 4/50 on Social Aspects and 21/50 on Assembly to pass them
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only if you plan to die by 84. For somebody who's now only 21, that seems pretty pessimistic as well. My dad's oldest brother just died about a year ago at the age of 90. I'd guess I'll live longer than that, and you guys should be pretty much planning for at least 100.
15:50
@JerryCoffin What if the crisis lasts until you're 30?
@JerryCoffin My dad died when I was twelve, he was 37.
On the bright side it's a prime number.
@Purrformance lolwat
@R.MartinhoFernandes A crisis only lasts a short time. If it lasts that long, it's not a crisis any more.
Anyway, you don't have to assume all quarters have the same timespan.
@jalf oh sure (insert reference to the skit about putting on my job cape and getting into my job cannon etc)
JBL
JBL
15:52
They wouldn't be quarters anymore.
@Purrformance is that an open invite :P councalour purr
@jalf I believe the phrase is "Call your headhunter".
@Purrformance ¬_¬
When does the dot product of something evaluates to negative infinity?
15:53
@JerryCoffin then what it's called?
@EtiennedeMartel Never.
@EtiennedeMartel ... it shouldn't... bar stupid input numbers.
@BartekBanachewicz Status quo?
Oh, wait, I can't even read my code properly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes see "stupid input numbers"
15:54
Let me try that again. When does acos return negative infinity?
(I'm feeding the result of a dot product to acos)
JBL
JBL
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, if it's not exactly 1/4th of the total time ? :P
Well, I'm getting that.
I don't believe you.
Are you dividing that by 0?
Have you tried log instead?
15:55
Hmmm. I might.
acos returns a value in the interval [0, π], or NaN.
No infinities.
@EtiennedeMartel You should have listened in Calculus
@DeadMG what? If I want to die, I'm not going to pay someone to do it for me.
@Purrformance lol
15:56
Ah, I forgot to normalize my vectors.
Classic.
I don't see how that helps though.
They're normals.
Dot product of normalized vectors gives the cos of the angle.
Dot product of non-normalised vectors gives a multiple of it. Not negative infinity.
15:58
Yeah, maybe it's not negative infinity and I'm just too dumb to understand what the debugger is telling me.
@DeadMG "Have your people call my people"
negative infinity is a multiple of something :p
I invoke UB
@ALOToverflow I stil don't know how to integrate a function. Suckers.
acos does not invoke UB.
15:58
maybe it does
maybe ThePhD overloaded it :v
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std::cowboy_acos.
@melak47 This is Lounge<Rotation> the only thing that'll get overloaded is the cloaking field generator.

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