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3:00 PM
@KonradRudolph can you try now? I removed that step. I think.
 
hmm
how can I get the subproject to be up to date with yours when pulling?
sync
got it
 
Only aliases, AFAIK. One of the main annoyances I have with git.
@KonradRudolph Oh SourceTree or something?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What, no
 
There's no $ git sync; is there?
 
3:05 PM
Ah.
I thought you wanted something else.
@KonradRudolph That's... awkward. LTO maybe?
 
Not switched on by me
and no -flto flag
oh wait
 
I mean, try it without.
Or maybe boost?
 
yeah, doesn’t work without either
My Boost is probably messed up
 
I should remove that unnecessary linkage too.
 
I don’t even know when/where/how I installed it
 
3:07 PM
Fuck MSVC.
Does it work without -lboost_system?
 
sorry but no
 
Wait. __istype(int, unsigned long)?
What the hell is that?
That's in the stdlib.
 
oh dear... that sudden realisation people have when you break it to them that a thread goes to sleep for at least X long, but it could be a lot longer than that till it is actually resumed, if ever.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. I know.
 
I’m confused by the linking error. Does int main() { isspace('a'); } (needs <ctype.h>) compile and link on its own?
 
3:12 PM
Unfortunately I cannot really help you here since I’m uncertain what the hell ninja is doing
 
@KonradRudolph The full command-line is right there.
 
When it fails it gives the full command.
 
g++ -Wall -Wextra -pedantic -Werror -std=c++11 -g -flto obj/examples/example2.o -o bin/examples/example2 -lboost_system
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure but that fails, even when I remove everything irrelevant
so I suspect that the object file itself is fubar
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It’s (notionally) in the Standard. A convenient implementation detail. IIRC.
 
3:14 PM
You can pass -v to ninja to get all command-lines.
 
// exposition only kind of stuff I mean
 
@LucDanton Yeah, but here the implementation is leaking :S
-g -flto looks weird.
 
we need a new argument
 
Hence the question :v First try to link <cctype>, then <locale> or <string> or whatever.
 
Huh, weird
so even a minimal manual compile gives the same error
 
3:17 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes grepping __istype in C++11 results in fuck all
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit __ is telling enough to know it's not in the spec.
 
$ g++ -c -std=c++11 -I include/ -isystem deps/catch/include -isystem deps/wheels/include/ -DBOOST_CHRONO_HEADER_ONLY examples/example1.c++ -o obj/examples/example1.o
rudolph@dawn-eagle:~/source/nonius(devel)
$ g++ obj/examples/example1.o
Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
  "__istype(int, unsigned long)", referenced from:
      std::ctype<char>::is(unsigned long, char) const in example1.o
ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture x86_64
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right, so why did you say it's in the stdlib?
oh, the GCC impl
 
Right. Context.
 
well, why is it a surprise then?
 
3:18 PM
(And even when doing one-step compilation without intermediate object file)
 
Your GCC is broken, congrats
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's a surprise that linking fails to find that symbol.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok
 
3:19 PM
@CatPlusPlus Possible but I tried three different versions
 
With the same libstdc++?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. Yes. Yes, it does.
 
$ more test.cpp
#include <cctype>

int main() {
    std::isspace('a');
}
$ g++ test.cpp
$
 
3:20 PM
Now to find what’s the Standard __istype, brb.
 
sorry :/
 
That's not the same settings
 
-std=c++11 is not an irrelevant part of this you know
 
@CatPlusPlus … congratulations
 
3:23 PM
@CatPlusPlus fwiw
 
damn.
whatthefuck is up here?
well, normally I use clang++
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That doesn't compile on OSX
 
@CatPlusPlus Who gives a shit about OSX?
 
@KonradRudolph So the SSCCE breaks with -std=c++11?
 
Uh, Konrad, probably
Given that he uses it
 
3:23 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
 
Well that's just tough
RESOLVED/GETABETTEROS
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> error: temporary of type 'std::ctype<char>' has protected destructor
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure. Name one. Etc. pp.
 
Any other one
:v
 
@KonradRudolph CatOS. WideOS. ZoidOS. LightnOS RacOS in OSbit. there are several
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3:24 PM
Kinda glad we didn’t have to dig into <locale> lol.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit better
 
On an unrelated note, I predict lens tutorials will become the new monad tutorials.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I see a distinct lack of a certain... one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes RobOS?
 
I was thinking VladOS, given your obsession.
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3:26 PM
ahahahahahahaha
beautiful
 
Heh, 14GB memory taken
 
SAM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OMG! It's riskey how it's tail swings from near the wheel
 
@SAM Asia innit
 
Someone was saying something about not topping 16GB
 
SAM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit indeed..
 
3:29 PM
@CatPlusPlus 12GB gcc build?
 
No, just everything total
@R.MartinhoFernandes We answer what we can, because we must
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, putting all this aside – I also tried compiling the code with clang++-3.4 and got a shitload of compile errors about non-existent vector in namespace std ant stuff like that. I’ll try to get that reproduceable asap but I need to do some work now
 
Or however that went
 
(and the clang++ compiler otherwise works, I’m sure of that)
 
@KonradRudolph Ah, that might be legitimate. libc++ is not as polluting as libstdc++.
 
3:32 PM
There's clang on jeb, btw
Probably not with libc++
 
@CatPlusPlus No, I’m using libc++ alright
 
I can try clang myself, though.
 
@KonradRudolph I meant our build server
 
@CatPlusPlus :F
 
Excuse me mate, you've got some clang on your jeb.
 
3:34 PM
Also I've deployed YouTrack
Probably should get on that licensing stuff in near future
 
we have node there too, right?
 
fuck me stop calling it "node"
(not in that order)
 
3:35 PM
because it's called node.js
 
so what? it's unambiguous in this context
 
and, yes, I know the author makes the same mistake
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah cool. I'll see about importing my stuff over from my cloud instance.
 
@BartekBanachewicz alright then, Bob. sorry.
anyone else use Micro Visual here?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that's simply wrong. "node" is a common abbreviation.
(i am going to regret going into that topic right?)
 
3:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz That's hardly an excuse
@BartekBanachewicz (definitely)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit FWIW, the binary thingy in node.js is called "node", so it's sorta hard to argue against it :(
 
I also regret you going into that topic
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does the cl toolchain provide a good standard library implementation?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wait what?
(No)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes look, an aeroplane!
 
3:37 PM
isn't that the name of MSVC++'s compiler binary?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless when it's called nodejs for no reason
 
ITT call something by not-its-name for no reason other than you can still be understood
truly bizarre
what is the point of names then -.-
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit How do you know he didn't mean to ask if the server has the binary? (An answer to which would more or less provide enough information for him)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit pat pat
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, you got me there
He should have used code tags, though
 
3:38 PM
I wonder why my server has one instance of nginx run as root
it's disturbing
 
Also, why am I once again arguing against someone I agree with.
 
anyway, the fact that so many people do say "node" is why this grinds my gears so much :( if it were just you I could let you get away with it
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, it's fun, right?
 
25547 root      20   0 10280 1032  340 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.00 nginx
25548 www-data  20   0 10440 1328  488 S  0.0  0.0   0:02.57 nginx
25549 www-data  20   0 10440 1584  744 S  0.0  0.0   0:02.66 nginx
25550 www-data  20   0 10440 1328  488 S  0.0  0.0   0:02.75 nginx
25551 www-data  20   0 10624 1840  888 S  0.0  0.0   0:00.02 nginx
 
@Cat you're the bestest sysadmin, why is that ^ happening?
 
3:39 PM
Many people can communicate perfectly about something, but they're using WRONG WORD CANNOT HAVE THAT
 
@CatPlusPlus Yes, that's right.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why is what happening
 
@CatPlusPlus "^", apparently
 
3:40 PM
Boy, isn't clang slow.
 
@CatPlusPlus why do I have 4 processes ran as www-data (that's ok) and one as root?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit meet Jinx
 
@BartekBanachewicz I see...
 
@BartekBanachewicz Master/slaves.
 
You cannot bind to port 80 as not root
 
aaaah of course slap
 
3:40 PM
Holy hell:
 
so it's perfectly ok
 
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Q: Alternative to reinterpret_cast with constexpr functions

galop1nBelow, you will find a constexpr string literal to CRC32 computation. I had to reinterpret the string literal character from char to unsigned char. Because reinterpret_cast is not available in constexpr function, the workaround is a small utility function to Two's complement manually but i am a ...

 
/usr/include/time.h:37:11: fatal error: 'stddef.h' file not found
# include <stddef.h>
I think my clang install is not proper.
 
Coliru binds to port 80 and is not root. (It's a capability.)
 
3:43 PM
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A: Clang Error - stddef file not found?

GlabsounetIt's a know bug in ubuntu. Take a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-defaults/+bug/1242300 It appears that a temporary workaround is to correct the symlink: For the 3.5 LLVM toolchain it seems that the symlink /usr/lib/clang/3.5/include erroneously points to ../../...

 
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Yeah, caps could probably do that, there's not much support around for that though
 
interesting
 
nginx is written with running part of it as root in mind, so it's not that big of a deal
That whole <1024 ports deal is silly anyway
 
@CatPlusPlus Why?
 
3:47 PM
I don't feel that it adds much security
 
@CatPlusPlus So you'd rather allow any old user to block up any service port?
 
It's no different than them blocking some port you need for whatever
And also so many setups where there are no system users, but only services
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit typical user doesn't serve on 80 anyway
unless he's using this shitfuck joke of software called skype
 
@BartekBanachewicz the whole point is to prevent them from deciding to do that to fuck you up
Skype being a good example, actually
@CatPlusPlus No, it's very different. It's a reserved range for services deemed to typically be "crucial" to the server's purpose
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes GladOS
 
3:50 PM
@CatPlusPlus Okay, so let's remove that security just for those systems, for no gain
 
I need more ports above that range than below it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit but you don't run skype on web servers and you don't run HTTPD on 80 on workstations
 
@Jefffrey That was obviously the joke?
@BartekBanachewicz I run httpd on 80 on workstations all the time
 
too obvious?
 
@Jefffrey possibly
 
3:50 PM
sorry
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Or maybe the other way around, don't force it unless you need it?
 
@CatPlusPlus There are more ports above that range than below it. A fucking shitton more.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and all of those are running as root, right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, because they're on Windows -.-
;)
@BartekBanachewicz but your point is taken
 
3:51 PM
I like the new tags.
 
I maintain that reserving some ports for system use makes 100% sense. no argument so far has been proposed for not having those.
 
That portblock fucks with principle of least responsibility (though caps do solve this somewhat) and also is annoying
 
Though I agree caps are a much-needed feature to de-blunt that feature. Without them it's a bit like friend
 
But yeah I wouldn't necessarily remove it altogether, I just wish it was an option
 
TIL Pocoo team has a project in Haskell
Dunno if I am more sensitive to that lately, but I see Haskell used everywhere
 
3:57 PM
sorry to hear that
 
@BartekBanachewicz Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.
 
on a sligthly unrelated note, why is WebCL still not a thing
 
Why is WebWeb still not a thing?
 
what would that do?
 
Run web on the web duh
 
4:00 PM
www.webweb
 
It's like PyPy
 
> This is because Baader-Meinhof is amplified by the recency effect, a cognitive bias that inflates the importance of recent stimuli or observations. This increases the chances of being more aware of the subject when we encounter it again in the near future.
that explains it nicely. thanks.
 
In your case it might also be sampling bias.
If you start looking at Haskell-related news, you'll see lots of Haskell.
 
I was looking at Python doc generator :F
 
4:02 PM
K, I was just guessing.
Fuck clang on this machine.
 
The library is about CSS anyway so I doubt it will interest anyone here.
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you compiling from source or what
 
Just browsing Ubuntu repos and shit.
I'll emerge it on my Gentoo box instead.
 
BTW @BartoszKP sorry for stealing your link and posting it on Twitter w/o attribution; do you have a twitter account?
 
 * Last emerge --sync was 54d 1h 56m 35s ago.
I should probably do something about that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had my stab at it with GHC like 2 days ago
Maybe there is "Clang-platform" somewhere :P
 
4:05 PM
$ emerge clang libcxx will do fine, thanks.
so portage much package
 
You will emerge victorious
 
Hmm, can't --sync, wtf.
 
Dat --syncing feeling
 
TGIF
so many things I could work on on weekend
like trying out defineProperty
 
Hmmm, had a bad temp dir set up.
Weird.
Pretty sure I synced before in this box, since it has uptime 149d, and last sync was 54d ago.
 
Ell
4:21 PM
@bartek I don't think there is demand for webcl
 
@Ell fuck of course there is
like, I want it, for example
@ScottW hi Scotty
 
Ell
I mean sufficient demand
has anyone proposed it? what would it be for?
 
@Ell it's a working draft already
@Ell for intensive computing in browsers, duh
 
@KonradRudolph inb4 "OS X sucks" or whatever.
 
4:30 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That would never happen in this chat
 
@KonradRudolph Wait, let me ping @CatPlusPlus.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I don't use Twitter. And I don't think that I own the link, so no problem ;)
 
> Bartek Banachewicz is listening to ABBA Gold by ABBA on Spotify.
The last two messages in this chat fit so well together.
 
Bartek is faaaaabulous.
He also kinda looks like Jean Dujardin.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh, look, censorship.
 
also, loving the censorship there. very effective.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Wow! Jean has gone downhill fast.
 
@KonradRudolph I'm building clang and libc++ so I can test it too.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, report back next week.
 
4:42 PM
@MartinJames Poland is a rough place.
Also, this song is sooo good. Too bad the Germans here can't access Grooveshark, which is ironic since Modeselektor is German.
 
@MartinJames It's a quad-core machine with 8GB of RAM. Shouldn't take 30 minutes.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It's a place I've never been. I should go investigate. I've got little excuse - trips to Poland very cheap from EMA, 20 mins away from here.
@R.MartinhoFernandes 30 minutes to the first link error:)
 
@MartinJames Kick down Bartek's door, drink, puke all over the place, and pass out on his couch.
 
@MartinJames Wanna bet a drink?
I trust portage.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Sounds mostly OK, but I'm not going anywhere near any Lounger's couch - too much birthing goes on there.
 
4:45 PM
@MartinJames Are you sure we're talking about the same Lounge?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No - my beer competitions should be open to all Loungers.
 
I should renew my passport.
Then, maybe I can think about going to that meetup.
 
and won by you
 
I'm guessing it's easy to find decent tasting beer in Berlin, hm?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm recusing myself from all my future beer contests.
 
4:50 PM
@MartinJames good idea
 
@EtiennedeMartel That really depends on what you are used to. I’ve heard tales of greatness being sung about US ales. There’s nothing like that in Germany.
 
@EtiennedeMartel So very easy. Maybe too easy:)
 
would you like to recuse yourself from the last one?
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth Hey, when you deal with the actual properties of the lights (the diffuse light, specular power, etc.) do you just attach a material to that light?
 
@KonradRudolph LOLOL!!!
 
4:50 PM
@ThePhD "attach material to light" o_O?
 
user3010322
Like, lights can uh
 
@ThePhD I attach BRDFs to materials
 
@MartinJames Not a joke. It’s hard to bear for Europeans, but American ales regularly win all the international beer contests
 
user3010322
Erm.
 
4:51 PM
@KonradRudolph I like bocks, stouts and IPAs.
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth You've lost me. :c
 
what in god's name is a US ale
 
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Samuel Adams, maybe?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit An ale brewed in the US.
 
user3010322
I dunno, I just got into this discussion. :c
 
4:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel No such thing.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, it's too late. I wonder who would have won if I had.....
 
@ThePhD give me a sec
 
@MartinJames Me. I did.
@EtiennedeMartel By definition an ale-like beverage brewed in the US cannot be called ale
Ale requires more than 0.0000000000000000000000000000002% alcohol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit by definition
 
4:53 PM
eh brits
 
Maybe I should mention that these are all ales from local microbreweries. All the big stuff in the USA is shit.
 
@KonradRudolph except they don't?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit When discussing US beer, scientific notation is advisable.
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58 secs ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
Ale requires more than 0.0000000000000000000000000000002% alcohol
@MartinJames You got it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sure do.
 
4:54 PM
Sure don't!
What you guys talking about, btw?
 
@KonradRudolph maybe the ones hosted in the US
 
Tomalak is being an elitist again.
 
@BartekBanachewicz No.
 
Hmm, 3.5 load? Silicon I paid for is being wasted.
MOAR THREADS
 
Right, I’m not claiming they win every competition but they are regularly in the top 10
and win some
 
4:56 PM
There are plenty of great microbrews in the US.
 
All the Directors is gone at the club:( I will be forced to drink Broadside tonight. How sad.. :)
 
(Although we're better in Quebec, but eh)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, sure, it's just me! You really know how to take a joke that a couple of people are making and turn it into a Tomalakattack, don't you?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I do it because I love you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Attack Tomalak with Tomahawks.
 
4:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, how many CU's are you running in parallel ATM?
 
6.8 seems better. whiplash
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes zing
 
@MartinJames 10 or so.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes OK, so you need a faster SSD.
 
I'm also building other stuff at the same time.
 
4:59 PM
fuck this shit I'm going home
 
@MartinJames I'm building in RAM.
 
Man, this salad is quite tasty.
 
But ./configure is not very CPU-intensive, it seems.
 

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