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18:01
Ooops. Was wondering why there was no capture.
wlan0 doesn't capture loopback packets.
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>.>
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lexical_cast( 0 );
lexical_cast( 1 );
lexical_cast( 2 );
...
lexical_cast( n );
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Wow! Much programming,such hard.
18:03
You don't need lexical cast
You can always ask on Stack Overflow.
stringstream will do
You can't do it with lexical cast.
Didn't that guy say that he was not a troll?
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can run the server in a VM
18:04
@JerryCoffin well, I might point out that TCP handles things that you may not want. However, networks are so good these days, I'd be tempted to just sat to always use TCP unless you can really prove it is too much overhead for your needs.
Why the question is deleted?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not directly, anyway. You could do something that used lexical_cast, but it would involve other crap as well.
@CatPlusPlus Or just pick lo instead of wlan0 for the capture whistles
@ManuelIgnacioLópezQuintero Because this is not a question answering chatroom.
18:04
@DeadMG Ok, sorry.
Turns out I misinterpreted our protocol description.
Still, WTF debugger doesn't stop at the breakpoints.
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:D
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@ScarletAmaranth I was thinking of having a fat gpu-based G-Buffer internally for the raytracing
@ManuelIgnacioLópezQuintero You could certainly ask on SO--but instead of asking how to do it with lexical_cast, I'd just ask about how to produce the set of strings you want, and let the people writing answers decide whether it makes sense to use lexical_cast to solve this particular problem.
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So you could look at the individual diffuse, specular, etc. components.
18:06
@LightnessRacesinOrbit conventionally you would only go for the besterest title
@ThePhD done the "weird" sampling yet?
interesting note, it took my computer a while to highlight 'besterest'
@thecoshman of course
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Lol, no I'm still shooting one ray per pixel. >.>
18:06
@ThePhD no AA?
@JerryCoffin So, what people here talking about?
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@thecoshman Not at the moment. I just want this crap to work!
@thecoshman There are other reasons to use UDP. For example, TCP is always point to point. If you want something like broadcasting or multicasting, TCP simply isn't an option.
Micro Transport Protocol or µTP (sometimes also uTP) is an open UDP-based variant of the BitTorrent peer-to-peer file sharing protocol intended to mitigate poor latency and other congestion control issues found in conventional BitTorrent over TCP, while providing reliable, ordered delivery. It was devised to automatically slow down the rate at which packets of data are transmitted between users of peer-to-peer file sharing torrents when it interferes with other applications. For example, the protocol should automatically allow the sharing of an ADSL line between a BitTorrent application...
Is one of the things invented to circumvent shortcomings of TCP
@JerryCoffin indeed
18:08
@ManuelIgnacioLópezQuintero We do sometimes discuss programming, but mostly things that don't fit well with SO's format. We also discuss everything from toilet paper orientation, to sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll.
I wouldn't call it circumventing shortcomings.
Then what do you call it?
It's just a protocol with more suitable characteristics for certain tasks.
It just has different requirements than TCP
18:09
I agree with Robot. The phrase you used, @harold, implies that there are flaws that were overcome, when it's more accurate to say that TCP is simply not appropriate for this job, due to qualities that are in fact useful in other applications.
@JerryCoffin Broadcasting is exactly the one bit we use it for.
@harold I'd call it a different protocol, intended to solve different problems.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Dat php code
Re-inventing transmission control on top of UDP (as distinct from simply choosing to use TCP) is not at all uncommon in scenarios where fine-grained control is required, as TCP deliberately abstracts much of that away (to keep the average application as simple as possible).
18:10
Mis reply sorry :(
¬_¬ delete
I've simplified matters, of course, but sometimes you want guaranteed delivery without guaranteed ordering, say, and with a huge scale of individual packets expected this can greatly enhance your throughput and reduce your latency
uTP biggest thing is yielding bandwidth to other traffic
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@ScarletAmaranth I'm trying to come up with a good name for all the different components for a ray.
@ThePhD why would rays have components other than origin and direction? :)
18:15
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ...and other times you want ordering, but not guaranteed delivery. E.g., for chat, if a packet gets lost, you usually just want to ignore it and continue playing back the packets you do receive with as few pauses as possible.
Well, I'm not persuaded. I'm still going to call it "circumventing shortcomings of TCP".
@harold Then you're an idiot
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Give an actual argument.
It's a shortcoming for that particular application, which is what we call a different requirement vOv
@ThePhD shoot_from, and where_at.
18:16
@harold You've been given several.
If you didn't understand them, that's your fault not TCP's
@harold No point in doing so, since you assume the right to dismiss any actual arguments on no grounds.
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So far I just have Ambient, Diffuse, Specular.... and, uh.
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Yeah, that's it so far. :x
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I'm not sure if I want a separate array for all of those, but for all the reflected light.
@ThePhD Surely with ray tracing you don't split it up like that? It's just a property of materials?
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18:17
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't mean for an actual ray!
Oh, I see. That's why you said "ray", then.
@harold You can obviously do that, but doing so just leads to poor communication by rendering the phrases you're using nearly meaningless.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit For the final composition, after the ray is shot, I want to store the pieces of the compution for the final rendering equation in different slots.
Where are the white rays at
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This allows me to go backwards and just show "the specular component"
18:18
The entire purpose of ambient/diffuse/specular is to make the fake hackery that is non-raycast lighting as realistic as possible by simulating the three most obvious kinds of light reflection
You guys suck at explaining things.
@harold Actually we're fucking good at it, and the people who gave us approx. 400k cumulative rep think so too.
@harold It's nice to have our efforts recognized.
18:18
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sure, if "accept what we say or you're an idiot" is a great explanation.
I love it when the one single person that is not understanding anyone else claims communication failure on everyone else's part.
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Is it ignore time, or not yet? I don't like to read only half of a conversation.
@harold Show me where that was stated, or where anything even remotely similar was posited as an argument to the question at hand.
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Then again, I have no idea all of the "pieces" of what a shot ray to be honest.
18:19
I tried to come up with :words: but I can't be bothered
@SamDeHaan I think so.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Correction: not "as realistic as possible"--more like "as fast as possible while maintaining some minimal semblance of realism for some types of scenes".
@ThePhD what have you got wrong this time? A 'ray' should only know a colour.
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I'm trying to break up the ray tracing equation into pieces.
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For calculating the final color, that is.
18:23
@JerryCoffin ah now, you know well enough it is a quality-performance balancing act
@ThePhD yeah, so you just need to track the bounces the way makes.
> This article contains weasel words
Also, lol
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Well, at the moment, I can only think of a few things I would calculate when a ray hits an object, and that's: diffuse, specular, and ambience
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After that, there's refraction and reflection, but they'll also hit other objects and then I'll calculate the diffuse, specular and ambient terms all over again
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So in the end I guess I only need those 3.
I don't keep that stuff in "rays" per se, but in materials
(and I have a structure called rayhit that is some sort of an accumulator for all the stuff I collide with)
well, I'm off for now, laters
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18:28
Buhbye now~
@ThePhD it's not really the same for ray tracing though. You basically are reversing the light beams path into the eye. So you have to keep bouncing the light beam until it finds a sauce.
@thecoshman I don't think he supports liquids yet.
so the way you think of a surface for ray tracing is different. For example, something that is highly reflective will use say 99% of the bounce to decide colour, and maybe introduce a bit of a green ting for saya mirrors glass. something that is very matt might take only a small fraction of the bounced ray
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Refraction and Reflection aren't too hard to add: you just need to calculate incidence angles, and then shoot the ray again and whatever colors get returned multiply it by the material's reflection/refraction coefficient.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ¬_¬
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:c
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to bother you.
@R.MartinhoFernandes when I come over, I am going to rip into you for every slightly mispronounced word you utter
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OH
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18:33
My brain auto-corrected the "sauce"
@thecoshman You'll be surprised :P
@thecoshman Yes, but those parameters were chosen based on the quality desired and performance available roughly 30 years ago. With current hardware they generally represent a fairly poor use of available resources.
@R.MartinhoFernandes as, I think, will you.
@thecoshman Why?
@JerryCoffin true true.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
18:35
Don't give me one true accent bullshit.
(You're in Ireland, for fuck's sake)
@R.MartinhoFernandes But there is only one true accent: mine! :-) As it has changed over time, correctness has been redefined with it.
oh to be sure
@JerryCoffin sigh, you are american (it turns out) and thus automatically wrong
18:38
@EtiennedeMartel o_0 I am able to read that as an actual northern sort accent
An Englishman that styles himself as a pirate living in Ireland is lecturing us about accents.
@Lightness Races in Orbit: be calm, man. It's only a question. — Manuel Ignacio López Quintero 12 mins ago
@thecoshman ...and some people think Merkins are language bigots!
@R.MartinhoFernandes no no no, I am Englishman living in Ireland who styles himself as a pirate.
I'm a horse
Also I have the worst accent
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18:42
A lesbian horse?
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Also it's best accent.
@CatPlusPlus GET OUT OF MY BURGERS!
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10/10 want to hear again.
@CatPlusPlus yeah, whisper is about the worst accent anybody can have
One day you'll make a joke and it will be funny
I believe in you
Too harsh? :v
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If Cat can only whisper, I'd love to lean reaaal close and have him whisper in my ear~
at least you belive in something
@thecoshman That would have been funny many months ago.
@DeadMG well excuse me for making the most of the material at hand!
18:44
@DeadMG About a year.
it wasn't that long ago was it?
I need to buy a new chair
@CatPlusPlus I need to fix my old chair.
also, what was the story in the end? Was anyone ultimately held responsible for it?
@thecoshman I remember discussing it in German class, and that was about a year ago.
18:45
My chair is getting really uncomfortable to sit on
And buying new chair is less effort than trying to replace the soft sponge watchyamacallit layer
@ThePhD Many bronies consider Rainbow Dash to be a lesbian. Mostly because she's a tomboy and has rainbow hair.
(Writing is hard, kids)
18:46
Not the same as "brownies".
You wouldn't eat a brony.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Protective state is such bullshit
WE KNOW BETTER TRUST THE STATE
@LightnessRacesinOrbit £993? Ow.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Technically, I beat you on that.
18:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes well I'll be.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit The fine is a bit excessive. Plus, the best stat they could gve the BBC was about the GSCe's or whatever?
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The child was already absent. The father wanted to help his family. The fact that hte magistrate decided they'd be fined for that is somewhat ridiculous.
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THe eldest daughter was already not attending school. Intervention was clearly needed, and the Father provided just that.
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A better question is if the school was so concerned, why didn't they try to help the eldest daughter whose performance was slipping?
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But it's a crime when the father does?
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18:49
0/10 not buying it.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit woah? when the fuck did that shit get so anal!? Back in my day the stance was "Please don't do it, but if you really must, only like a week. And seriously now, worse thing is during exam time"
@EtiennedeMartel gibrony
@EtiennedeMartel those look delicious, he wins
We're talking about puns, not food.
@thecoshman a lot of parents do it all the time for no good reason so they have to be strict I guess. naturally you're going to catch a "good 'un" in that from time to time
18:51
@EtiennedeMartel vOv I'll state again, those look delicious, he wins
That's not legit.
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@EtiennedeMartel Why analyze a person for who they are when you can use visual clues and figure out everything!
@ThePhD Especially considering one of the show's message is "don't judge a book by its cover". I guess those guys didn't get it.
dinner time :D
@thecoshman Because it became apparent that it seriously hurts the children's performance.
18:54
@R.MartinhoFernandes "I'm right and the entire world is wrong."
@EtiennedeMartel I don't get why people would classify dem ponies as straight/gay in the first place. I mean... aren't they all female in the first place? besides it's a kids show I doubt that subject is even remotely mentioned.
@EtiennedeMartel One must keep the three laws of robotics the Lounge in mind, #2 of which is: "food and sex trump logic (nearly) every time."
@EtiennedeMartel "Look. All the kids in the band our out of step except my Susie!"
@Borgleader If I recall, the only instances of romance in the show is that couple who owns the local bakery, and that other couple who gets married in the season 2 finale. Both cases feature relatively minor characters.
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@Borgleader It's not interesting unless there's sex potential involved.
What do you mean "laws of robotics"? I do whatever I want.
18:58
That being said, don't forget that fanfics are commonly used to create couples where canon says there is none.
Also known as "shipping".
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Lol, shipping.
Don't link to it.
DOOO EEEET
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I'm still silently trying to ship @EtiennedeMartel and @CatPlusPlus, being lesbians and all.
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I would have made it Cat and @Xeo, but Xeo is a girl but gave no indication of being lesbian.
Uh, TVTropes' search engine is fucked.

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