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@melak47 I like loud and bass
£300 noise-cancelling Bose headphones are too expensive to keep a pair on my jacket, and another at work, and another at home
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I only have those at work.
And they're not "mine", technically.
@R.MartinhoFernandes stolen?!
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Sticky Finger Module.
@ScarletAmaranth They belong to the company, I guess.
16:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, feel encouraged to steal those
Imma wait for spring cleaning sales
they will certainly drop the prices on 2013 models
then I just need to snatch one
No one would bat an eyelash if I decided to carry them around when I'm not at work, but I'd probably lose them, so I don't.
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"lose" them.
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Suuuuuuuuuure~ ♬
@ThePhD that means lose.
16:04
@ThePhD Nothing would be worse than people thinking I stole them and me ending up without them.
@ThePhD no really, this is a guy who walked nearly out the apartment in his slippers
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@thecoshman And they call me a derpstorm. >.>
@ThePhD you use cowboy_cast, your argument is invalid
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I never said I uuuuused it.
@ThePhD he is autistic derpy, you are just stupid.
16:05
@Gilles: With respect, I think you are mistaken. Stack is not about producing answers that are useful to everyone by providing a complete solution when there is lack of research/effort on OP's part. :) It is about helping user learn and in the process help future visitors. :) Please see my answer which I added. — Siddharth Rout yesterday
> It is about helping user learn
> learn
wow
there's a video on youtube of Gilbert playing Satch Boogie
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Image not found
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you too
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Gosh, code markup as emphasis.
16:08
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's so annoying
> Timelinecoverbanner.com is the best place to create custom Facebook cover for yourself or your business page
meanwhile, can you imagine the US version of this video? They'd need a 3D swirling background, a few logos in the corner, dramatic music, slowed-down instant reply and a reporter on drugs as if he were watching a building unexpectedly coming down around him and choosing all sorts of sensational terms to describe the experience
the next Weekly Wipe episode is only two days away :D
My two coworkers are having the toilet paper over vs under argument.
16:12
hm, sony smartwach 2 costs $190
that's still quite a lot
@R.MartinhoFernandes I really don't see why this is such a big deal. If I was to make a decision though, I would have thought over would make more sense. The end dangles clear from the wall so it is easier to grab. Why would you want the end to hang closer to the wall?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Over. Done.
If you prefer "under", you're a child molester.
Well I'm a certified Engineer now
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@CatPlusPlus congrats
That went well.
16:13
@thecoshman Exactly
@CatPlusPlus results already? and no, you are no qualified to get experience towards being one.
@CatPlusPlus What sort of engineer?
One at the start of his career without any experience? :)
A: "Intelligent people prefer over."
B: "68% of Americans prefer over. And that's intelligent people, you say?"
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 2.5 years of experience thank you very much
@thecoshman That's what "over" people say!
16:15
An engineer's degree is an advanced academic degree in engineering that is conferred in Europe, some countries of Latin America, and a few institutions in the United States. In Europe, the engineer degree is ranked at the same academic level as a master's degree, and is often known literally as an "engineer diploma" (abbreviated Dipl.-Ing. or DI). In some countries of Latin America and the United States, the engineer's degree can be studied after the completion of a master's degree and is usually considered higher than the master's degree but below the doctorate in engineering (abbreviate...
@R.MartinhoFernandes and what do the under people say? "I just love scrapping my hand against the wall"
B got it wrong. A's statement does not imply that all of those who prefer it over must be intelligent people.
idgi how these degrees work after all but w/e
@thecoshman NFI. I don't take part in these things.
@CatPlusPlus So you were working uncertified?
;)
16:16
I just do it randomly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes NFI?
3 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
If you prefer "under", you're a child molester.
Anyway, congratulations
@thecoshman No Fucking Idea.
@R.MartinhoFernandes just slap who ever says under takes part in such a stupid argument.
16:17
Thanks
I got minimum passing grade :v I hate oral exams
uh, apparently the gear LCD on this bike sometimes fails
They're now asking everyone else in the office.
I'm just laughing.
@thecoshman I had results 5 minutes after the end
and people literally fell of them while stopping because they thought it's on neutral
Sounds like a productive workplace.
16:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes you have a lot of slapping to do it seems
@CatPlusPlus for the entire degree?
@CatPlusPlus gj
so you're free now
well, that's one thing to say about your uni, it's efficient
and I have one fucking year more
@thecoshman ...
@BartekBanachewicz usually takes unis ages to give rseults
16:20
still. one. year.
ugh,.
@thecoshman The exam committee has your average grade when you enter, they give you another grade, and bam, you know whether you passed or not
any way, time to run off from this course
"under" guy is starting to doubt his choices.
@R.MartinhoFernandes rightly so
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@CatPlusPlus So you graduated?
16:20
"over" guy is looking for research that correlates to intelligence.
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you have a cat or a dog, under prevents them from pulling it
Someone mentioned that.
"Do we have cats?" was the reply.
@BartekBanachewicz disagree. Under allows them to paw it down against the wall much more efficiently
my cats are creative.
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@CatPlusPlus ERHMAGERD KONGERATOOLAYSHUNS <3
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I just saw that there was a pinned message.
16:22
Someone also mentioned that one of them is better during earthquakes.
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Certified Engineer~~
@SamDeHaan Now I don't know how to live my life anymore.
It's apparently a higher degree than BSc so suck it BScs
@ThePhD How did your interview go? ;~;
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16:23
@MohammadAliBaydoun Haven't gotten back to me yet.
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Maybe they wouldn't like me to go. =[
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh now really!
I think if you'd have mentioned your ability to balance a spoon on your nose, they'd have hired you right there on the spot
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@thecoshman They're serious about it.
We take things seriously around here.
I think it is this point I present the third option, sitting it on the side because you have not bother putting a proper holder on the wall yet.
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16:24
Wait
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What's under mean?
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WHat's over mean?
> The Polish equivalent of a Bachelor of Arts degree or Bachelor of Science degree (given by a university) is called licencjat, while in a technical university (politechnika) one gets the title of Engineer (inżynier).
I TRUST WIKIPEDIA
A: "Under looks better"
Boss: "You're in the wrong job. Go decorate interiors"
@CatPlusPlus Damn "j". Having a "licencat" would be awesome.
My cat license is higher than any academic degree can ever hope to be
16:26
@ThePhD Check wikipedia.
Toilet paper when used with a toilet roll holder with a horizontal axle parallel to the wall has two possible orientations: the toilet paper may hang over (in front of) or under (behind) the roll. The choice is largely a matter of personal preference, dictated by habit. In surveys of American consumers and of bath and kitchen specialists, 60–70% of respondents prefer over. While many people consider this topic unimportant, some hold strong opinions on the matter. Advice columnist Ann Landers said that the subject was the most controversial issue in her column's history. Defenders of e...
It's a well-researched subject.
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Putting resources to great use...
That page is so long
> The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject.
ahaha
> survey evidence has shown a correlation with socioeconomic status
(Also over)
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Much like tabs or spaces, I think I use both. vOv
16:30
This is a very elegant compromise.
> For a public restroom stall with a dispenser holding two rolls of paper, Donald Knuth proposes classifying users into big-choosers (those who take paper from the roll that is currently larger) and little-choosers (those who do the opposite). Letting p denote the probability that a random user is a big-chooser and q that of a little-chooser, Knuth uses contour integration and generating functions to find the expected number of sheets left on the larger roll when the smaller one runs out.
Standard policy at my company is three space tabs. I just do whatever the hell I want in order to express my distaste of that policy.
@ThePhD that's usually found on the worst fucked up code. Unless you clearly separate indents and alingment every time
@thecoshman What about a holder that turns 180 degrees at the press of a button?
(Patent pending)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Someone is already trying to make that, I think.
16:32
@AndyProwl all of them are "over"
a button I'm gonna press before wiping my ass?
First the medialunas, and now this?
Every steals my ideas.
@BartekBanachewicz Bottom-left is not "under"?
@AndyProwl oh right, it's torn
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16:33
If someone ever expresses a strong desire either way,
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I think I will purposefully flip it over.
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And then see how long it takes for them to notice.
The compromise is to shred it to pieces and not keep it as a roll
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@CatPlusPlus A stack of toilet paper!
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I can pop the paper after I push the poo.
16:34
@ThePhD My two coworkers are both of the kind that will "fix" it if they find it "wrong" and they disagree on over and under.
So they both get annoyed because they have to "fix" it often.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I know what my bathroom pasttime is. :D
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What about doors?
They're horrible. Everyone puts their hands in them.
I find that much more important than the stupid orientation bullshit.
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Oh. Well, that's why you do special moves to get through the door, or use the paper.
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16:36
Or, you let some other sap take the fall of opening the door.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Office bathroom has a trash bin right next to the exit door. Wash my hands, dry with paper towel, use paper towel to open door THEN throw away.
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Also, they should just put the toilet paper in one of those opaque holders
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That way neither person could tell if they were under or over.
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I wonder if they'd open it up to find out.
16:38
Protip: use used paper to open the door
@SamDeHaan Doors are everywhere though.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Hand sanitizer can take you far.
@R.MartinhoFernandes use the force your elbows :p
@SamDeHaan Also, how do you enter it?
@R.MartinhoFernandes True. But I only know that people walk out of the stall and don't wash their hands at work.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Push with my foot.
16:41
@R.MartinhoFernandes slap them over the head with the section of the Geneva Convention that regulates this.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
FFS
Piece of shit insists on connecting to the wrong machine.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: I disagree - if you're using malloc/printf/pointers/etc, and no C++-specific features at all, then it's just plain C, regardless of what compiler you happen to be passing it through. — Paul R 25 mins ago
whut
@ThePhD That really annoys me
Now this is embarrassing. The lounge has degenerated to talking about toilet tissue orientation? What are we going to descend to next? What idiocy Britney Spears and Miley Cyrus are up to this week?
@zoska don't you think your comment is a bit ludicrous? They're learning to program. In C++. Of course you tell them how to use C++. To program. (Removing the debug lines of course. As you can see, I tend to test my answers well :)) — sehe 1 min ago
@R.MartinhoFernandes A networked piece of shit sounds scary
16:46
@JerryCoffin: Leave Britney spears ALONE !
@CatPlusPlus I'm testing my mind-reader simulator and the damn application insists on connecting to a real one before it lets me pick the simulator.
some stream error checking would be nice — zoska 1 hour ago
@JerryCoffin Worse: It will degenerate to a conversation about C++
Not enough information to advise beep boop sorry
@zoska: Don't you think this is too much? — Lightness Races in Orbit 53 secs ago
lol
16:50
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: PSA: Do not feed good code to the neophytes! [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [no-helpdesk] [no-questions]
We need more pinned messages.
I think it's fine.
I'll pull down Cat's engineer thingy in a few hours. The JIRA thing will automatically die more or less around the time when it becomes too late for it to matter.
Then we will need even more pinned messages.
Oh, btw, I graduated the other day and I am now Dr. Lightness Races In Orbit, BSc. (Hons) MSc. PhD.
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congrats
16:56
@JerryCoffin tbh I am not sure if it's degeneration
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We need to restrict it to pined messages. If you care enough about a message to want it displayed semi-permanently, you go buy a pine board, carve the message into the board, and post a picture. If you don't care enough to bother with that, why should we put up with your inane nonsense either?
is there an "online" compiler that provides boost?
I'll probably tear JIRA down anyway and get YouTrack, since I'm going with LDAP route after all
Whats the difference between "online" and online?
One is constant and the other is variable duh
Also didn't pin that other one so don't look at me
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17:03
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you write a thesis?
@Ell I think he's joking.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh.
Well this is awkward.
16% / year looks like a fucking lot
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I take back my star.
17:04
@BartekBanachewicz 16% of what?
@R.MartinhoFernandes the credit sum
That sounds like armed robbery.
I think I'd like a new bike rather than an used one
So I'm thinking about borrowing some money from my bank for that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's why I am looking at the option #2, a cc
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This sounds like bad juju to me
Though I might be biased. I don't take engage in credit thingies.
17:07
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't either. But all in all it might have more sense than buying a used bike and then putting cash in repairs
@BartekBanachewicz Okay. Maybe devolution.
If I used a debit option on my account it'd be ~9%
What's the loan?
don't ever borrow money unless it's really, really necessary.
if you can wait and then buy the bike with cash later then do that instead
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^
17:09
@DeadMG: False. Depending on the current inflation and the rate, you might actually gain money by doing so.
Loans aren't that scary if you have a stable incom
Esp short term ones
They might be expensive, sure, but also not much of a problem
What would you do if you worked for a company that uses VS2005
Hmm. I have all the qualities needed for being an evil mastermind, except for being actually evil.
17:10
Also hi
@Purrfection For C# or C++?
@Purrfection Wake up!
Howdy.
@harold C++
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm up I'm up!
Were you in Paris around Christmas?
@Purrfection I would be happy. At least the money they don't spend on tools, they spend on it salary... (Yeah, I know...)
17:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neutral mastermind?
I wouldn't work for a company that uses VS2005 in the first place
Kinda forgot about you. I met @kbok, though.
@Purrfection be rather unhappy with my development tools?
@R.MartinhoFernandes At the airport only, I had a lot of trouble with my flight so I just ended up passing by.
@Purrfection I meant that I would wake up.
@Purrfection Ah, k.
17:11
Haha "I forgot about you. So how are ya"
@R.MartinhoFernandes What if I'm not?
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Q: Can I implement an autonomous `self` member type in C++?

Lightness Races in OrbitC++ lacks the equivalent of PHP's self keyword, which evaluates to the type of the enclosing class. It's easy enough to fake it on a per-class basis: struct Foo { typedef Foo self; }; but I had to write Foo again. Maybe I'll get this wrong one day and cause a silent bug. Can I use some co...

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Doesn't affect one inch what I thought.
@ereOn Ha, I wish :D
@R.MartinhoFernandes Aw
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, at least my supervisor believed in me.
I wouldn't start calling you Dr. anyway.
17:12
@BartekBanachewicz You mean it's actually okay-ish?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not? You have us all calling you "R."
He earned it
@CatPlusPlus In this scenario, so did I.
Your degree issuing organisation has no authority here
17:14
@Purrfection That really depends. People matter way more than software anyway, but OTOH what people would keep working on 8-year old software?
Maybe I can get a gold badge from this question.
THIS IS OUR WORLD
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, right.
@R.MartinhoFernandes :(
8 votes and 2 favourites so far from 29 views isn't bad
There are at least 30 people who looked at your question and didn't upvote
Feels terrible ;~;
17:15
Your calculations are kinda off here
They will be valid in a sec or two :<
View counts are heavily cached.
WTF
How can one side of a TCP thingy claim it's connected while the other side is still waiting?
Well, I actually know one possible answer to that, but I doubt it's happening here.
@R.MartinhoFernandes no linger?
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broken handshake :S
incorrect address which happens to be running a tcp server? :P
I doubt I'd have that on the loopback interface.
17:21
What is "connected" and "waiting"? ESTABLISHED and what?
@CatPlusPlus Server's accept call has not returned yet.
I think connection is established after listen returns
But then I'm bad at networking so maybe not
listen opens the socket and returns. Then I have an async_accept that never runs the handler.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know what I'm going to do to the bathrooms if you ask~
Maybe it's library thing
17:27
It's asio.
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Mmm.
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Sockets.
netstat correctly reports that my server is listening.
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I wouldhelp you, but my only experience is with CSharppe.
lol
my answer to @LightnessRacesinOrbit Q was my 400th one
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17:29
@R.MartinhoFernandes checking all error codes I assume? :3
The UDP port that I have open for discovery is also not getting anything but UDP but loopback NOTHING MAKES SENSE
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Oh, this is UDP?
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Not TCP?
@Ell This thing throws.
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Abort machine.
17:30
@ThePhD I have both.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes your programme? or ASIO?
Asio.
> If the asynchronous operation fails, the error_code is converted into a system_error exception and thrown.
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Oh. I could have sworn the handlers took error codes o.O
Oh right
@Ell Coroutines.
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Ah I see
17:31
@ThePhD ?
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No, uh.
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It's just UDP is much more complicated than TCP.
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And I only did TCP.
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So you're on your own. :3
17:32
@BartekBanachewicz it was a good one, too
you may win this little contest
@ThePhD You might be the first person in history to have ever said that.
I'm going to let it run for a while, tho
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@R.MartinhoFernandes o.0 For realsies?
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TCP was easy to program against and deal with...
UDP is pretty much barebones.
17:33
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Usually simple solutions are the ones that are the most usable in the real life with stuff like this
TCP has all sorts of features and tuning and shit.
UDP is more complicated if you want some of the guarantees that TCP gives you
^ this
And even if not, you still have to deal with the unreliability
TCP is more complicated internally, but you don't see this when writing code
Anyway, the UDP sockets I use are only for discovery. Client broadcasts a ping, server identifies itself in a pong.
I harcoded the server endpoint though, so I'm bypassing that.
17:34
@R.MartinhoFernandes At least in my experience, most truly evil people don't think they're evil at all.
Whatever I'm doing wrong with one of them, I must be doing wrong with the other too.
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TIL you can pass objects of private types to template functions
> Q: Can I get 535 orders for our Congress?
A: Sure. We would be happy to assist you with this. Let us know if you need help ordering.
> I think she was crying.
17:40
@ThePhD If you want to send data over a network reliably, there's a certain amount of complexity involved. UDP itself is almost trivially simple, so if you use it for that task, most of the complexity ends up in your code. TCP handles a lot of that complexity internally, so relatively little of it has to be done in your code.
> I felt violated when it was over, which I think might have been sometime in the early morning of the next day. There was stuff coming out of me that I ate at my wedding in 2005.
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@Xeo lol
Hmm, if I'm really quick netstat reports a connection as ESTABLISHED.
Why the fuck doesn't the accept call return :(
@Nils Never actually tried it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Try sync accept?
17:46
@Nils Noticed @DeadMG comment again :D
@StackedCrooked linky?
You weren't apple to leverage it? — DeadMG Jun 23 '12 at 16:14
@CatPlusPlus No cookie :(
Huh
Maybe you're accepting on bad socket somehow?
That would throw some "bad file descriptor" thing.
17:54
Or not :v
I'm not assuming a bug in asio.
Not yet.
Well check the socket
Though netstat reports the established connection on both directions.
You can verify the handshake with Wireshark or netmon

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