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14:00
@AndyProwl one does not simply vote close ape's question
@R.MartinhoFernandes well that was an oversimplification of manually checking for unary minus
@KonradRudolph I have no idea what you're on about
@ScarletAmaranth why not? I did not close vote, but I don't think it's an absurd close vote. The question being asked is the same AFAICT
In ruby, you don't ask where the bathroom is, you just redefine it to be wherever you are and then shit all over everything.
@BartekBanachewicz Reading the value of -1u into an int fails.
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@ScarletAmaranth I voted to close it. What's wrong with that?
14:04
always need to think what have I forgotten to do for the day nowadays ...
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So, I just sat for 30mins waiting at the doc, and then I couldn't take the pain in my leg anymore and had to stand up. :s no new conclusions, trying a different medicine now and also going to see an orthopedist. meh.
fff ... 2 much 2 do ... sleep takes priority ...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why? Btw there's also this answer by Steve Jessop suggesting to use peek()
automated peeping Tom :'(
@AndyProwl What if peek returns ' '?
14:10
Hm, I guess you can is >> std::ws before?
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never stop the peeking, never!
stop removing white spaces
@AndyProwl That doesn't consume any input.
And peek() is unformatted input.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm starting to stopping to understand so I'll soon shut up, but are you referring to is >> std::ws when you say it doesn't consume any input?
^^ But the example seems to show it does
@AndyProwl Oh, it seems I confused with skipws.
yeah, std::ws actually looks pretty cute
@BartekBanachewicz Right, that's always a valid option
IIRC it's also the fastest option
I've seen some kind of benchmark a while ago
off 2 sweet dream land where me will be riding young unicorns and eating seafood buffets with butter creamed cakes!
14:15
I mean, iss >> ws >> maybe(sign) >> number doesn't seem that different than do { spaces; maybe sign; return number }
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lol, the former might aswell be valid haskell
too bad we can't overload >>=
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we can
wrong associativity, though
14:17
can we?
I almost never use >>= anyway.
@AndyProwl I think it fits regular @= pattern
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do-notation is olev
ah, right
so a >>= b >>= c associates to the right?
I don't associate with the left or the right
@StackedCrooked well I'll be.
Right, wrong associativity. That's sad
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@AndyProwl Which programming language?
@rightfold C++. Was thinking of emulating Haskell's bind
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bind is overrated, do notation is all the funsies
14:25
Well bind is essential, but yeah without the syntax it's not as good
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@AndyProwl although I'm wondering - since bind is transitive , does the associativity actually matter?
What does operator >>= normally do?
(Yeah yeah I know about join formulation too)
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righ-shift assign
14:26
I don't know what food to order again
SO MANY TASTY THINGS
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sushi
Ah, I thought it was a stream operator.
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@StackedCrooked that's also just shifting
@Xeo What do you mean by "bind is transitive"?
@CatPlusPlus pizza
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14:27
@AndyProwl a >>= (b >>= c) is the same as (a >>= b) >>= c
@Xeo That's associativity, not transitivity
Yeah it's associative
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He means that the fact that it is the same is transitivity.
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was it? I like mixing those up
@rightfold Transitivity is about relations (a Rel b && b Rel c => a Rel c). Not sure how to apply it in this context
14:29
@rightfold Erm, no.
Transitivity would mean a >>= b >>= c is the same as a >>= c
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oops
@CatPlusPlus Not even
Transitivity is defined over relations (a -> a -> Bool), not over any binary operator
14:31
Btw I wonder if an overloaded >>= in C++ couldn't return a proxy that would take care of transitivity associativity (damnit)
Did you know that right associative operators are not associative?
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what the heck does this mean?
btw a >>= (b >>= c) is wrong
@TonyTheLion programmers for microcontrollers
@TonyTheLion I wonder if he means someone with a university degree.
14:33
@CatPlusPlus That's C++
but b >>= c in C++ could return a proxy couldn't it
I mean bind
5 mins ago, by Xeo
@AndyProwl a >>= (b >>= c) is the same as (a >>= b) >>= c
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Okay, seems I mixed some stuff up
user1804599
Ugh.
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just forget what I said
user1804599
14:33
Windows y u no ship with libmagic.
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I didn't sleep :s
It works that way with >=> :v
@TonyTheLion either way, offtopic, looking for opinions.
@CatPlusPlus If you mean the built-in operator, than yes
14:34
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
I mean bind
but you quoted Xeo
He was talking about bind
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2 mins ago, by Xeo
Okay, seems I mixed some stuff up
I'm confused. I was talking about emulating >>= in C++ and working around the fact that >>= associates to the right
now I'm wondering whether a >>= (b >>= c) is really the same as (a >>= b) >>= c and I don't get it
Oh gosh.
What a goddamn mess.
14:38
if b and c are monadic functions then what is b >>= c?
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3 mins ago, by Xeo
2 mins ago, by Xeo
Okay, seems I mixed some stuff up
lol
ok, I'm totally lost, sorry
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I'M SORRY ALREADY
where's that fucking racoon?
shutting up going back to dark corner
14:39
@AndyProwl It's not. Order matters.
@thecoshman the insect?
@Abyx nvm
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right that makes sense
@AndyProwl I wondered as well but was afraid do sound stupid by saying it.
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I had >=> in mind
14:40
Yeah
7 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
It works that way with >=> :v
@StackedCrooked I know that feeling
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2 mins ago, by Xeo
I'M SORRY ALREADY
Really really?
:P
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU THIS TRANSGRESSION
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Also, I'm not omniscient, just speak up if you think I'm wrong. Either I am (shame on me) or I'm not and you learn something
urgh x86 assembly
14:44
@Xeo can't you just assume you are always wrong?
@BartekBanachewicz s/ assembly//
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@thecoshman eh, no
@Xeo see, you just did it again, you are wrong :P
@Xeo You're usually right and definitely more experienced, and many things sound unclear to the novice. If we were to ask clarification on everything we're not convinced of, you'd hate us :D
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I'm sure I wouldn't. I love explaining things to people, that's why I'm here
@Xeo where do babies come from?
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14:50
@ScarletAmaranth tango
@Xeo are you sure about that? I mean, every little detail
@Xeo lol
@thecoshman Of course you can assume that -- but doing so would be pretty stupid.
@JerryCoffin nah
@JerryCoffin Stupid people are usually wrong. Makes sense!
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If I assume I'm always wrong, then the assumption about being wrong is wrong
14:52
Many times I'm just watching what you guys write and feel like I don't understand. But I can't just bother people asking for sufficient explanations because it would 1) disturb the discussion and 2) take long time/be annoying/whatever
So I just watch silently and collect information until I'm pretty sure I know what's going on. And if I think I have a decent question or observation to throw in, I bring it on.
But I do understand when someone less experienced is afraid to look stupid when asking something in the middle of a technical conversation
@AndyProwl I think for the most part, as long as it is not moronic
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@AndyProwl Everybody already knows I'm stupid, so I just throw my opinions out there.
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Then, the inevitable hammer comes down from at least 2 people, and I get smashed by into my dark corner.
and then we laugh at them
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Learning By Fire.
14:55
lol, come on
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Or By Hammer.
imma move my map thingy to gscript app
Actually, having someone who shows you how much you suck is of high importance when learning
I do find it important at least
@ThePhD you're not stupid, just don't listen.
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What? I listen all the time!
14:56
it did help me
low rep == stupid.
@ThePhD THEN WHY ARE YOU STILL USING CASTS ALL THE DAMN TIME
@AndyProwl yeah, for example, right now, your English is terrible in this sentence, it's "of high importance"
@ThePhD But you keep bringing on UB :D
user3010322
Oh come on, I fixed up all my casts. u.u
14:56
and high rep means "repwhore"
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I'm slowly getting rid of them!
I really am surprised he has enough mana for all those casts
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@ScarletAmaranth lol
huh
I just got my account closed on some website because my nickname was objectionable.
DonkeyCocksucker?
14:57
lol
@DeadMG well, "CaptainDickwad" is a bit ott
@ScarletAmaranth I already said that, he'd feel at home using JS
@R.MartinhoFernandes lool
I totally did not name myself anything like that.
@BartekBanachewicz JokeScript?
14:58
I used my regular name.
"it works on my machine therefore it's good", "fuck strong type system", "I want reflection"
and on and on and on
DeadMG so PG13
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Heey, I don't do all of that. D:
user3010322
Also, what's wrong with reflection ey?!
yes, yes you really do.
14:59
@DeadMG ... "FatBastard"?
@ThePhD nothing is wrong. I'm just saying it's much easier and reasonable to do it in the languages that actually support it.
there's nothing wrong with reflection when it's needed :P but having to carry all that crap (RTTI) around all the time is a fucking joke

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