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16:00
@Telkitty Sell the fleas on eBay.
Sydney property price is expensive, 300k probably will buy you a chick cage in the CBD
a large chicken cage that is
Speaking of which, I wonder whether now it's a good time to get a job in the States ... still plenty of chances to invest in medium cities' property market ... some bigger one's value has already increased by quite a bit since the bottom, although the theory is the more expensive will get more in the long run
user3010322
Sounds perfect for me. Where do I sign up?
user3010322
Hey, anyone here on Windows 8?
user3010322
Or Windows 7?
both
16:06
I am on window 7
user3010322
My Wordpad is constantly crashing. I was wondering if anyone could send me a copy of some of the Wordpad files (write.exe)
lol
get notepad++
it is free and very good
@Telkitty it doesn't support rtf
but I also use it
probably ... I have never tried
user3010322
16:07
Seriously, just a copy-paste of the write.exe from system32 or SYSWOW64
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Lulz
user3010322
Was that from windows 7? o.0
@ThePhD yep. win7
16:10
and then there's:
user image
2
@ThePhD Uh
user3010322
Ah, okay.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit What up, Metro.
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus System File diagnostics?
16:11
Something like that
user3010322
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Amazing
user3010322
<3
FUUUUUCK
Alright.
It's password changing again.
That's a shitty password
user3010322
16:12
The only reason I don't use KeePass is that I'd have to lug around a USB eveerrywhere. u.u
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD Put it on Dropbox
Or Google Drive
12 characters is not very long!
user3010322
@Xeo >.> Not sure if serious.
Xeo
Xeo
Serious
16:13
Serious
user3010322
How does that... work?
user3010322
If anyone compromises your dropbox or your e-mail, you're fucked?
The database is encrypted with your password, so assuming you don't leak out your password, it's pretty safe
@EtiennedeMartel I strongly remember you posting this password once before. Like ~2 years ago :/
16:14
Your email getting compromised is always a fuck up
Because they can just reset your shitty passwords
@sehe Yeah, I reuse passwords for unimportant stuff.
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Most reasonable sites offer token-based auth when you log in from different places.
@EtiennedeMartel lawl
user3010322
By which I mean, you have to verify with your phone or something physical.
3 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
It's password changing again.
^ that wasn't too serious then
16:15
@EtiennedeMartel Bah
You're bad
user3010322
I guess I'll use KeePass then.
user3010322
Right now I maintain like 10 different passwords
user3010322
for 8 accounts. 2 swapouts in case things go horribly wrong.
@sehe It's mostly a matter of principle.
16:16
yeah, way easier to maintain one and have completely random passwords for everything else
I don't know any of my passwords
I've heard good things about lastpass too
They're 30-character long
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus So if they tortured you, you'd be able to seriously say you don't know!
user3010322
If I make a server the NSA is interested in, I'm going to randomly generate teh password and put it in an encrypted database.
user3010322
16:17
Then when they come asking for it legally, I'll just delete the damn thing.
user3010322
"Oops, all that data is completely unusable. Sorry!"
user3010322
"Here, you can have all of it though. :D"
@Collin Bleh
put it in a hidden true-crypt partition
I have one password to an encrypted text file with all my other stuff in it. I have to enter the master password and do another thing to get it open.
16:19
I have 427 passwords
user3010322
What the hell is
user3010322
"Professional Edition" for KeePass?
Xeo
Xeo
@MartinJames That's basically KeePass - The Manual Edition™
@ThePhD The current version
@Xeo orite:)
user3010322
16:19
But there's a classic version too...?
user3010322
What's it for, lulz?
That's the older version
vOv some people want it maybe
user3010322
"Corporate Policy to use this version of the software."
user3010322
10/10 would lul.
user3010322
@Abyx The Windows 7 wordpad doesn't work in Windows 8. Got the Windows 8 one handy?
16:22
@ThePhD just download libreoffice
user3010322
Also @CatPlusPlus can't find that System File Diagnostic or System INtegrity Checker or whatever. Control Panel is hiding form me. :c
user3010322
@Abyx I have Microsoft Office: the point was for something more lightweight that opened in half a millisecond that allowed me to see RTF files.
@ThePhD It's not a control panel applet
Just run sfc.exe /scannow
user3010322
How do you elevate a console prompt to admin level in Windows?
user3010322
I have no idea how. u.u
16:24
There are instructions right there in that article
@ThePhD find cmd in start menu. right click > run as admin :p
user3010322
I meant from the command line, which no article seems to say.... hm.
user3010322
Oh well, GUI works too I guess.
Windows doesn't ship with any utility to elevate shit from command-line
i'm a sad raptor
16:27
@Jefffrey Arms too short?
long enough to grab and bite your ass
user3010322
Kinky.
I meant to reach yourself :)
oh, no need :)
Then why sad?
16:29
because a fisher
user3010322
Oh lawd
dunno
user3010322
I gotta start restarting my computer
user3010322
It's happening!
user1804599
Hey.
user1804599
16:30
Sit down.
how do people accidentally kill themselves?
it doesn't make sense
@Jefffrey Driving drunk?
@Jefffrey Dunno - ask Adobe how flash works.
@Jefffrey Was warning of the dangers for skin cancer
All sort of stupid things when drunk or otherwise incapacitated (e.g., on various drugs).
16:32
@JerryCoffin that's not killing themselves, that's just stupid people dying
also called darwinism
@Jefffrey I'd say when somebody drives off a cliff or into a brick wall, it's pretty clearly killing themselves.
user1804599
They don’t kill themselves.
@JerryCoffin not accidentally then
user1804599
Fatal injury kills them.
@Jefffrey Might be intentional in a few cases, but I'd say accidental more often than not (when we're talking about people who were drunk, high as a kite, etc.)
16:34
I just realized I'm wrong and I don't know what to do
but "high as a kite" made me lol
@Jefffrey Restart yourself.
My son-in-law restarts about once a month, (epilepsy). We call him 'Patch', (after patch Tuesday).
user3010322
Hm.
user3010322
It says my master passwrod is weakcakes.
user3010322
I've got exclamation points, digits, random shit, it's not even words.
user3010322
How si that weak? D:
user3010322
16:40
Maybe it needs more letters.
user3010322
And numbers.
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus How strong was your master password?
user3010322
Oh, here we go, this is a good master password.
user3010322
There we go!
user3010322
16:43
109 bits of amazing quality password
user3010322
Now, uh. I have to remember this shit for the rest of eternity.
@ThePhD Only the first couple of decades are relevant, though. After that it [probably] doesn't matter whether you remember it or not.
user3010322
@DietmarKühl True enough!
user3010322
@Jefffrey Hah! These people call it a demon.
16:46
their stories are terrifying
and then the gifs
user3010322
Being a person who suffers chronically from that and having a sleep walking or two episode (that I know about), I can tell you it's indeed terrifying, but at the end of the day you can just wait it out.
@ThePhD Yes
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus :D
user3010322
BUNNY EARS
user3010322
@DietmarKühl How did you get the bunny ears?!
16:48
@ThePhD "ask 10 questions with a score of 1 or more"
user3010322
Awww. =[
user3010322
I don't even have 1 question. u.u
user3010322
And I don't want to start now. :c
Questions are for wusses
16:53
4 mins ago, by ThePhD
@DietmarKühl How did you get the bunny ears?!
user3010322
@DeadMG Ahaaa, I see what you did there!
also
my KeePass master password is 128 bits of goodness
@ThePhD Hard work, of course! It takes 10 questions with strictly positive votes during the Winter Bash.
@DietmarKühl Greetings
@DeadMG #define goodness entropy
user3010322
16:55
=[ I can't work hard enough for them.
@GlennTeitelbaum: Hello!
user3010322
Alright! So I think I have a successful QuadBatch now.
user3010322
In fact, in the end, for RenderImage to be even slightly effective, it just needs QuadBatch... and that's it.
user3010322
Blah. I need I need melak's advice for this one...
RT @bradwilson: throw GetANewFuckingJobException(); http://t.co/zp23J9dLy6
user3010322
17:04
Not sure how to go about using KeePass here.... hm.
ahahaha
The Stupid is infinite. The Stupid hungers. You cannot escape The Stupid.
The Stupid w̳̖̬il̰͈l͓͔͈ ̙̼̯͕͚̩̕c̼͡o̥̬ͅṉ̮s͓̹͕̝̲̯u̵̙̬̤̩̻͎ͅm̞͓e͎̠͢ ͜y̦̣̠o̤͚͙͘u̵̝̟̻
@ThePhD ?
user1804599
Muh.
user1804599
People who throw fireworks at ambulance people should have their health insurances denied and never be helped again.
@ScottW that made my cry a little
user1804599
17:17
> Eerste editie synchroonskischansschoonspringen geen onverdeeld succes
user1804599
> synchroonskischansschoonspringen
Ugh, I have a stupid question.... and I should know the answer (happy new year all!) unfortunately the wine has been flowing.
user1804599
Ask about it on Stack Overflow.
Or, I could save face and just get an immediate answer here :D
(as SO doesn't like "have you been drinking?" posts)
I doubt that
user1804599
17:20
You cannot, because we laugh even more at you than Stack Overflow does.
You're more likely to get trolled here than on SO.
As is apparent :)
Also we "do not forgive nor forget"
On SO, they'll just close your question. Here, we'll break you
So, have a nice day.
17:20
Seems like I'm not the only one drinking. ;)
haha
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus When you started using KeePass, did you change all your existing passwords too?
user3010322
Also, if you have a keepass database, and you're at a foreign computer, how do you manage to log into anything in existence?
@ThePhD Yes
@Moo-Juice Of course not, silly. ~~70% of our bodies is composed of water. Where do you think that comes from?
17:22
@ThePhD I don't use foreign computers
@Jefffrey, "hope".
And when I do, I treat them like compromised ones
I.e. don't login
user3010322
Hm.
user3010322
Okay.
That's probably safest, they could always have a keylogger installed
user3010322
17:23
I'm trying to figure out how to use this thing with simple windows forms.
user3010322
Oh
user3010322
I guess I should regenerate all my SSH too.
RSA4096 all the way down
user3010322
Right now it's RSA with 1024 bits
user3010322
Guess I'd better beef it all up.
user3010322
17:29
Hokay.
user3010322
4096 bit RSA everywhere...
user3010322
Yay!
user3010322
It works~
user3010322
Now I need to change the rest of my passwords.
user3010322
I don't suppose KeePass has an automatic injector or hotkey I can map an injection to?
17:34
@Jefffrey Yeah, but we only lose a certain amount a day, so if you're not growing your body mass, most of that water investment was already made.
user3010322
Uh
user3010322
Damnit
user3010322
Bitbucket and shit not telling me how to format the pastes they want for public SSH keys. D:<
Ell
Ell
@rightfold that happens?
user1804599
Yeah. And you know why?
user1804599
17:39
Because they are kept alive and free.
user3010322
<_>
user3010322
How is this stupid shit supposed to work
user1804599
Instead of having them starve to death in jail, like they deserve.
user1804599
Stupid government run by morons.
user1804599
Also EU.
user1804599
17:41
Death penalty is only reasonable punishment for this kind of crime.
user1804599
Anything else is completely idiotic.
@ThePhD Don't format it
It should be just ssh-rsa KEY ID
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus I don't format it, and then Bitbucket/Github freaks out
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Oh, good to know, that's exactly what pageant doesn't generate.
user1804599
Hang them from a scaffold at the entrance of jail, as a warning to other people who go to jail.
17:43
Literally copy-paste from PuTTygen or ssh-keygen's .pub output
user3010322
the PuttyGen gives you a "-------------- BEGIN RSA KEY -----------\nComment: "BLAH"\n[KEY ID]\n----------END RSA KEY----------" deal, no ssh-rsa or space between it and the key ID to be found, so you can't just copy-paste it.
user3010322
In its entireity, anyways.
user3010322
I'm talking about the public key file it saves. :c
Do I have to draw circles
user3010322
17:46
I don't leave that thing open!
user3010322
It's just for generation.
It can open already existing keys
user3010322
I know it can. I save the key in the public key file: I would expect that to be directly usable if I just Ctrl + A, Ctrl + C, and Ctrl + V it where it needed to be.
user3010322
EIther way, now that I know, I feexed it.
PuTTy is not the standard
OpenSSH is
You can yell at PuTTy developer for not following OpenSSH formats
user1804599
17:49
If I want to both sign and encrypt, does it matter in which order I do that?
Yes, no, maybe
Ell
Ell
Surely you'd want to encrypt first
Depends on what you want to sign
Ell
Ell
because the signature would be encrypted otherwise?
@rightfold Thankfully you'll never be able to make those decisions
17:50
Which is not a problem
user1804599
@Jefffrey Unfortunately, actually.
user1804599
@Ell You can decrypt it. :V
@rightfold I'll pray for it to never happen
You can sign both
Ell
Ell
@rightfold but you wouldn't want to decrypt something that isn't signed would you?
user1804599
17:51
That doesn’t matter.
user1804599
Decryption is always safe.
Why not?
Ell
Ell
But why bother wasting your time decrypting something from a randomer when you're expecting something signed from someone
Uh
Because maybe you don't want to have your signature in cleartext
user1804599
@CatPlusPlus I want to send source code to a computer that runs it, but that compter must be able to verify it comes from a trusted source, and the code must also be encrypted so only the computer can see it.
17:53
For secrecy or something
I don't know
@rightfold Then it probably doesn't matter which one you sign
user1804599
Ah, okay. Thanks.
user3010322
Outer sign would save you waste of time from having to decrypt to see if its legit
user3010322
inner sign would allow everything to be encrypted, including public key signature.
"Saving time" is not really a valid criteria in security
user1804599
Arguably signing last is computationally cheaper because you can immediately stop if the signature is incorrect.
user3010322
17:55
But if it's public-key signed...
user3010322
Or rather, if it's just signed in general
user3010322
Does it matter if that signed text is out in the open?
Not unless you're trying to hide the fact it came from you from everyone except the recipient
Signing is integrity
Encryption is secrecy
These are not interchangeable
Ell
Ell
@Collin but it's encrypted anyway
so anyone that could decrypt it could tell it was from you
17:57
Yeah, so?
> from everyone except the recipient
user3010322
Hm.
user3010322
If I access Gmail from my phone...
The point of encrypting shit is usually to hide it from people who are not the recipient
user3010322
How do I get KeePass onto my mobile device?
17:57
@ThePhD There's an android app
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Q: closing thread by WaitReason

Wellisonis there any command in C + + that when the threads of WaitReason For DelayExecution he close that all threads? as shown in the image using the YAPM

And that might include the sender information
user3010322
Or should I just keep Gmail with a regular strong password that I remember?
not sure about iOS
user1804599
@ThePhD Signing allows the receiving party to verify the source. Encryption allows the sending party to make sure only the receiving party can read the data.
17:58
@ThePhD do gmail with 2-factor auth and a good password
@ThePhD Your email should have the strongest password after the password database itself
And backups
Ell
Ell
I'm long overdue for a password change
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Well the password database is some 35 character long abomination
user3010322
So my e-mail should also be something hand-crafted, and equally long, if not longer?
Upshot: If you don't want people to know you're sending something, sign then encrypt, if you want the recipient to be able to verify before decrypting, encrypt then sign.
18:00
See, not that difficult
@ThePhD Hand-crafted is meh
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus So something auto-generated, but I memorize it?
No, keep it in the database, that's the point of it
user3010322
Oh.
user3010322
Well, okay.
user3010322
I wonder what limits google imposes on its passwords.
18:03
None that I remember
user3010322
... Nnngh, I don't want to keep my e-mail password in the database.
user3010322
If the database gets compromised, the Last Defense is that the e-mail remains uncompromised.
user3010322
That allows me to do a mass password reset on all related accounts, even if the KeePass box goes down.
Use two-factor auth everywhere
If they have passwords but not email, they can change email
user3010322
Two-factor exists for Github and G-mail. The rest of the accounts are... I don't even know.
18:08
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol, "might as well use rand()..." - could give me an example?
Ell
Ell
Tor is pretty cool
How anyone gets traced with it is beyond me
user1804599
18:25
-5
Q: Perl vs Python? Which of this is good for making dynamic website?

Mohammad AbdullahWell guys I am creating a Social network site but I have to choose between Python and Perl. Which one of this will be able to give me more functionality. Thanks in Advance.

user1804599
LOL
@Ell One possibility is the NSA setting up lots of routers, to the point that a good deal of traffic goes all the way from entry to exit via their routers (where: "NSA" is really a placeholder to fill in with your preferred government nasties).
Ell
Ell
@JerryCoffin but even at an exit node you can't tell where the original packet came from can you?
oh wait yes you can
user1804599
If you need Tor, you’re doing life wrong.
And there's also The Stupid, i.e. people outing themselves in idiotic ways regardless of Tor's security measures
Ell
Ell
18:29
@rightfold why? o.O
I don't think it's unreasonable to not want to be spied on
user1804599
I suppose.
user1804599
If you want to wait fifteen hours for a web page to load instead.
Using Tor properly takes some effort
Ell
Ell
@rightfold Sounds like you have experience doing your life wrong
user1804599
Why? I never needed Tor.
Ell
Ell
18:31
1 min ago, by rightfold
If you want to wait fifteen hours for a web page to load instead.
user1804599
And that is relevant because?
Ell
Ell
^you must have used it right?
user1804599
Yeah, so?
@rightfold jQuery
and Boost
Ell
Ell
You just said if you need tor you're doing life wrong
you've used tor
user1804599
18:32
@Ell Indeed, I said that if you need Tor you’re doing life wrong.
Using Tor and needing Tor is two different things
user1804599
@Ell Indeed, I have used Tor.
user1804599
I also eat ice cream.
Ell
Ell
Meh okay
user1804599
Off to billiards, bye!
Ell
Ell
18:33
Bye :)
> One of my favorite aspects of unique_ptr is the automatic memory management it provides.
Didn't know there were others
Ell
Ell
wokay spotify is free on tab & phone now
Xeo
Xeo
s/memory/resource/
@Jefffrey the spelling is nice too, really rolls off the tongue
@Jefffrey Of course there is -- documenting the pointer usage is quite important.
18:38
unique pooter
Ell
Ell
unique poontang
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love you guys <3
@JerryCoffin // unique
@Jefffrey That is a possibility, but at least to me seems pretty clearly inferior.
I like that it has its own keyboard thing and requires no copy-pasting unlike other Keepass apps.
18:41
That looks nice
user1804599
@Jefffrey automatic any resource management!
18:58
Steam sale final day
I got far cry 3 on sale. It's a pretty good game
I'm gonna be forced to study concurrency and threads in Java the next year of university.
I've been crying for an hour now

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