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19:00
Can you guys... like... tell me that everything is gonna be ok?
Man, you guys get really mellodramatic over java
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it... it just makes me so emotional ;_;
It could be worse, you could be doing multithreading with C++
that would be far more useful and interesting than a language I'm probably never gonna use
Language is hardly important thing here
19:04
meh all languages are basically the same in the bigger picture
@Crowz if you watch them from the moon with a pair of broken glasses
I suppose, I think it's more of the abstract concept that matters. It's like... caring about which calculator you use for math. What really matters is you know how to do the math
19:06
it's not the same
languages are religions
Yeah yeah, for most programmers at least
@Crowz Death to all who use inferior calculators! RPN forever. :-)
meh, programming languages seem pretty secondary. I think there's a reason why at most unis they let you use whatever programming you like after the introductory classes
Turbo C++ and 64-bit... uh oh...
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Q: How can I compile a 64 bit program by c++ turbo

user3125076I made a program by c++ turbo so when i wanted to run .exe file i faced with an error that is a 32 bit program and my operating system is 64 bit one. so I wanted to know how can I compile a 64 bit program by c++ turbo ??? (my c++ turbo is a 64 bit one) thank you

19:13
@CatPlusPlus It is to an extent, or at least can be, depending on how they choose to teach things. Particularly, Java's "synchronized" methods/statements use a monitor model that's nearly unique to Java (at least as far as things built into languages go). There have been a few other monitor-based systems (chiefly, concurrent Pascal) but they're all pretty much dead now.
That's not to say there's necessarily anything terrible about the monitor model, just that learning it won't necessarily teach you as much as you might want about how to accomplish much in most other languages.
@Mysticial it's his university project, those people will then come looking for a job and that's why we have Internet Explorer
@Mysticial Sucks to be him.
I just wonder whether people who have had no contact with actual programming other than what they showed them in uni can get a job in the industry as they finish studying
@ScarletAmaranth At least assuming decent grades and such, yes, they can typically get jobs. Most will need at least a few weeks (and often more like months) of training before they can accomplish a lot that's very useful though.
19:23
@JerryCoffin how do they get trough the hiring process?
@ScarletAmaranth Not every company requires coding during interviews
Even our coding questions in interviews are pretty basic, someone with classroom programming experience + paying attention should do fine on them
@ScarletAmaranth That, of course, varies with the hiring process involved. Especially for entry-level jobs, however, many don't expect any great coding prowess.
so they basically expect people fresh out of college to be incompetent :)?
People fresh out of college are incompetent
19:26
@ScarletAmaranth People fresh out of college are incompetent.
Heck, I'm still incompetent
@Collin Yeah, me too, but it dilutes out with experience:)
@ScarletAmaranth Based on what I saw when I used to interview people, I expect most people with less than 10 years of experience to be incompetent. Even with more than 10 years of experience, around half are incompetent.
Coding prowess is fairly easy to acquire. Delivering software that is acceptable to customers is not.
You shouold expect to train most new graduates how to code, even the ones that pass an interview.
19:30
We're mostly looking for the ones you can train
@JerryCoffin I will have had more than 10 years of experience by the time I finish my uni, or do you mean "real - world" experience actually delivering software?
@Borgleader If they consulted the net, they might find out the difference between ionising radiation and EM waves with such a ridiculously long wavelength that... oh wait - they can't.
@ScarletAmaranth I would think real world
Hah - I just read more of that article - there's a big 'Wifi-Free' sign on a post, out in the open, with massive amounts of UV and visible EM waves battering down from a thermonuclear fusion reactor :)
19:43
@ScarletAmaranth I didn't run into enough people with significant experience before/during college, so I can't really comment meaningfully about it.
Ell
Ell
I would love to have a mock programming job interview
@Ell I was always careful to avoid mocking people during their interviews. :-)
@Ell I've never had one. It's always been the full deal. OK, now I'm stuck with maintaining other peoples crap:(
I should add: even though sometimes mocking people was very tempting--especially the guy who had tatoos covering about half his face, who (claimed he) thought that would have absolutely no effect on his credibility as an expert witness.
@JerryCoffin Depends... was he an expert witness on tattoo ink? ;)
19:51
@Borgleader Sorry, but no--it was supposed to be about coding.
zch
zch
What is expert witness?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahhh, got it!
user3010322
Thanks for the suggestion. :D
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There were a bunch and they all looked weird.
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..... Well, this is a Catch-22.
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19:54
My keepass database is in Dropbox, but I've secured my dropbox with a keepass password
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user3010322
So I can't get to it from my android phone, which I need keepass on to get to the password that in the database in dropbox.
user3010322
... <___________>
You're a special one aren't you?
user3010322
u.u
user3010322
I think I'll change my dropbox password back to its old form...
19:56
@zch Somebody a court accepts as being qualified to offer opinions in their area of expertise. A fact witness can testify only about facts, but an expert witness can give opinions. For example, a fact witness could say something like: "he admitted he didn't know how to use source code control". An expert witness could say: "as of 2014, somebody who didn't have at least rudimentary knowledge of source code control would not be considered a competent programmer."
> The father blames Apple, Inc. (AAPL) for his son's illness. He claims the cancer was caused by an iPod his son received as a gift.

He notes his siblings did not have cancer, which he reasons is because they did not have Wi-Fi equipped iPods. He comments, "The only difference was, Ethan had an iPod."
WTF is wrong with people.
in The Renderfarm on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by CharlesL
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Lawyers exist.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are reading reddit again, that's wrong ;)
@R.MartinhoFernandes "I don't like what happened. Somebody must be blamed!"
19:58
@JerryCoffin "Somebody with a lot of money"
Nothing new, really. At least now we don't (generally) kill people as witches when it happens.
He should blame himself if he gifted the iPod to his son. He killed his son!
@R.MartinhoFernandes doesn't matter, there have always been idiots. What would be bad is if he wins.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Perfect example for why I call the US the sue me, sue you country of the world.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or you know... blame the cancer
@harold Yes, it matters. It's a pointless waste of resources.
20:00
@R.MartinhoFernandes that succinctly describes the court system
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's what I said - lawyers.
user3010322
Yes!
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The prices dropped by 10 bucks!
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I'm glad I waited until after new years.
@ThePhD You bought a new yacht?
user3010322
20:02
Oh, definitely.
@ThePhD You bought one of them Xbox Ones?
user3010322
I'm adding it to my Billionaire Fleet.
user3010322
@Borgleader Nah, Microphones and headphones
user3010322
So I can serenade CatPlusPlus. <3
@ThePhD Admit it, you bought them to use with this:
user3010322
20:03
Ah, I've been revealed!
I'll have to get some sick modeling skills and make myself a geth avatar
@JerryCoffin I'm at #3 and I'm already angry (I knew about the coffee spill thing already though...)
@Borgleader Oh great, the world needs more furry porn roleplaying
@CatPlusPlus Furry porn? it's just a head..
People do that even without that
20:11
@Borgleader ....
user3010322
WHEW
user3010322
Okay
user3010322
Managed to get my dropbox password back to normal <_>
Time to hack @ThePhD 's dropbox
user3010322
So, thre's only 3 passwords I need to remember. Dropbox, Mail, and KeePass
user3010322
20:14
After those, KeePass manages everything.
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Stupid
can somebody help me with a java project?
thanks
im having trouble connecting my game to a sqli database
A porkchop plot (also pork-chop plot) is a chart that shows contours of equal characteristic energy (C3) against combinations of launch date and arrival date for a particular interplanetary flight. By examining the results of the porkchop plot, engineers can determine when launch opportunities exist (a launch window) that is compatible with the capabilities of a particular spacecraft. A given contour, called a porkchop curve, represents constant C3, and the center of the porkchop the optimal minimum C3. The orbital elements of the solution, where the fixed values are the departure date,...
20:16
Only if you make YouTube player better
..or fix flash for good.
@ThePhD Put mail/dropbox in KeePass and put the KeePass database in public dropbox. Now you only need dropbox link and keepass password.
I keep my Dropbox password in KeePass database that's on Dropbox
Figure this one out :smugdog:
user3010322
You could do the shared link thing and then work it out that way.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Meh - I have enough trouble getting into orbit.
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Is it with the share feature, or no?
user3010322
Do you memorize the Dropbox Keepass Password?
user3010322
Well, I'm out of ideas. :c
20:26
Good
user3010322
u.u
YOUTUBE IS SO FUCKING BAD
user3010322
Share your knowledge with us lowly plebeians, Cat.
speak for yourself
Aand the HTML5 player doesn't work for this video
cool
user3010322
20:28
u.u
user3010322
I guess I shall never know.
You just need to sync, the database doesn't need to be public
Ell
Ell
oh wow. TIL javascript doesn't have block scope
user3010322
Ah. So as long as you have any copy of the database that has the dropbox password, you're good?
@Ell you can use a lambda
20:30
of course.
user3010322
.. Albeit, that doesn't help when you need to log onto the dropbox from a different device?
Again, not my device = no business logging in
user3010322
No I mean, a different device like a phone or some shit that you own.
@ThePhD Then he looks up the password on the other device he owns?
user3010322
... Oooooh.
user3010322
20:32
Right.
Sophisticated, I know.
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u.u
user3010322
My brain is slow today.
s/ today//
20:33
Now I want porkchops, but I had that yesterday :S
... and the problem with that is?
People are so fucking stupid
> - Global media hotkeys work on youtube videos. I would like to disable that.
> - Sorry, that's not a YouTube issue, it's an issue with the driver software for your keyboard.
No, idiot, the fucking keyboard driver doesn't magically know how to operate YouTube player
zch
zch
it's your fault user!
20:35
@R.MartinhoFernandes Theres a law against eating the same thing twice?
YouTube-enabled drivers.
@CatPlusPlus link?
@Borgleader It's boring. And somehow feels wrong. I'm not a very pragmatic robot.
I dont even know what these "Global media hotkeys" are.
Ell
Ell
20:37
I'm not sure why douglas crockford argues against an intermediate format for javascript
me neither
Ell
Ell
he says it's because java is slow :3
He's not very good at programming
@Borgleader Builtin Play/Pause, etc keys in keyboards.
@CatPlusPlus It works for me, tried 720 and seeking to different places.
20:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ohhh yeah I have those on my keyboard. Didn't know it was "standard"
I don't get the HTML5 player here
I try to avoid them but the one I bought this time has them.
Play/Pause is pretty handy
@R.MartinhoFernandes So scientific :)
They're really out of the way, though, so I can put up with it.
user3010322
20:39
Hm.
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@CatPlusPlus What about things like bank account passwords and stuff?
user3010322
Do you keep those in-memory, or a giant KeePass password?
In memory, but mostly because it uses masked password input, so I have to remember it anyway
@CatPlusPlus I use those on my headset.
@jalf I had some people over and we played BSG today. Have you tried it?
Play/pause is space
20:46
Not if the playing software is deep in background and should stay there
What builds the logical tree in WPF? (How can I do it manually with dummy data)
Custom parser maybe?
Been a while since I read about it
There's a Xaml parser in System.Xaml.dll
I'm doing it from code in a test
gonna try beginint()
20:56
Well, it's arguably a misfeature in the browser plugin/helper that renders the video.
I think on linux it's frequently vlc or mplayer in the backend. I can see how they would "honour" media keys by accident
OK, I'm off for my birthday drinkies. I'm fully prepared - beer money and lift back from club arranged. I'm wearing a lime-green shirt and a pink tie with an attractive paisley pattern. I'm pretty sure I'll get noticed:)
@sehe It's YouTube's Flash player
Ell
Ell
@MartinJames happy birthday!
Cheers All!
Happy crash day.
20:58
LOL! I had forgotten about crash day:)
@EtiennedeMartel Ya think so? It's not for people who like natural. Or just generally avoid shouty sensory environments
Are function template non-type parameter valid concept in C++11?
template <bool B> void foo() {}?
It seems to be fine, awesome.
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Q: Alternative Power, connecting 3 power sources

user246666How can I connect solar Panels to a water wheel and a wind turbine without blowing myself up?

At first I thought "KSP"
@MartinJames wtf is crash day :(
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Water wheels and wind turbines in KSP?
that'd be some funny engineering
That's when I realised it wasn't.
user3010322
Yaay!
No no no, you need to connect the -'s to the ground to ensure that you're properly allowing the flow of electricity from the sun and air to the earth (Electricity flows down) Now, hook up the light bulb between the positives and then string the whole thing up to a kite and fly it during a storm. This is how Electricity came into existence after all. Thanks Ben Franklin! — Ampt 1 min ago
^^ ahahaha
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Everything I have is KeePass'd up~
21:20
Why are people downvoting that question, it's rather good and insightful.
I always wanted to know how to properly connect my penis to a water wheel without blowing up my wind turbine ;_;
@MohammadAliBaydoun It doesn't belong on meta.
When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. - Bernard Bailey
@sehe It's Zaphod Beeblebrox the Nothingth.
@BartekBanachewicz Soon they'll be too heavy for me to keep doing that.
I tried offsetting with surplus body fats, but i don't keep up
21:24
@sehe aw. You need more smaller ones then!
Cough.
@ThePhD One thing that irks me about this kind of setup is that changing the master password requires changing all the passwords.
posted on January 02, 2014 by Eric Battalio

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Don't worry, it's easy to catch a cold in the arctic
user3010322
21:25
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, which is why the KeePass is used only for semi-important accounts.
WTF. What is 3D weather
If I get a copy of your database, and then you change the master password, my copy still has the old master password.
user3010322
The most important accounts that are used in things like two-factor authentication and stuff are not KeePass'd (Steam, Banks, Mail)
user3010322
Any system that doesn't have two-factor auth is immediately deferred to KeePass, though.
Why don't you store the 2fa passwords there?
user3010322
21:26
I think I have a fairly good mix of what needs to remain in my head and what needs to remain in KeePass, without undue compromise should one of them get punked.
There's nothing particular about them that makes you need to memorize them.
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I could probably put Steam in KeePass, but the reason I don't KeePass Bank stuff is because it's really important and I should be able to memorize that information and keep it in my head for the rest of eternity. For Mail, the purpose is that if KeePass gets compromised, my Mail won't also get fucked and ruin any kind of mobile or e-mail based auth methods.
throw GetANewFuckingJobException(); http://t.co/zp23J9dLy6
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@sehe Oldish, I think someone posted it here before.
The mail exchange is from jan 2nd 2014
21:30
@R.MartinhoFernandes here is what I'm playing with.
@ThePhD It's not even old enough for one of those lousy "it's from last year" jokes.
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Heh. That, and @TonyTheLion (♡) already stole all the stars for his 2013 joke.
user3010322
I don't want to say stars. Is there a stars unicode I can use?
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☆
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Yes!
21:31
I think his was a nice spin on the old formula.
@ThePhD So your mail is your end-of-the-world last resort?
Ell
Ell
I wonder if puppy considered other virtual machines besides llvm
I don't like that. I've been growing ever fonder of having my wallet as my last resort.
@Ell Which other ones?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Somewhat. It just makes it easier if my Super Decked Out Warcraft Account (TM) gets sold upriver due to KeePass being compromised (it shouldn't, but in the case it does), my e-mail remains unharmed and thus I know for a fact if I'm quick enough I can blanket-password-reset.
user3010322
If my mail is in KeePass, well, there goes any chance of using my e-mail to save myself.
21:34
Sad it's not too wieldy to carry a Keepass database in my wallet.
Ell
Ell
@Borgleader jvm/clr/parrot/probably some others
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just get a read/write chip and put the KPDB in there. Swipe when you're next to your computer. :D
> not too wieldy
@ThePhD Problem is, just like anyway that breaks into your e-mail account can.
user3010322
Or, even just have a slim USB.
21:35
That's not usable on my phone, for example.
user3010322
Oh, right.
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Hm.
user3010322
Can always use some kind of NFC chip, I guess?
Too small.
In storage, I mean, not size.
user3010322
To hold a KPDB?
Ell
Ell
21:36
a modern android phone should support usb
Mine is currently 44kB.
user3010322
My KPDB is only like 5 KB
user3010322
Well, geez!
@Ell Erm, plugging USB mass storage? I don't think so.
user3010322
Keeping the all the keys to heaven and earth?
21:36
@ThePhD Still too big.
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Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes sure it does
Ell
Ell
I can even boot from a usb from my tablet
@ThePhD A very large NFC tag stores 4kB.
Ell
Ell
21:37
(I know it's a tablet, but android supports it)
My concern is hardware.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I found the same thing. =/
Ell
Ell
unless I'm misunderstanding waht the capability is
@R.MartinhoFernandes USB OTG
21:38
Old Tube Gangsters?
user3010322
On the go, I bet.
user1804599
Hey fools.
Ell
Ell
USB host mode is supported in Android 3.1 and higher
@Ell it's not that easy I think
@bamboon meh. If you try, you find it's just a feature. It's a standard feature even. My tablet has it as well as my phone
And yes, you can play mp3s from it
21:40
Yeah, I don't like the idea of carrying around cables for that. Hence the use of the word "wieldy".
@sehe Well, I tried and my nexus 4 needs a kernel patch and even then I couldn't test it because it needs external power.
BUT NEXUS BEST PHONES
"it" needs?
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes A better idea would be to have a thin cylindrical type of device.
user1804599
user3010322
21:41
With USB B, USB A, and maybe like one other connector type on it.
user3010322
So you just rotate it to what you need, plug it in, and it interfaces with the device.
user3010322
That's actually not a bad idea.
@sehe Don't know what you are saying with that, but basically this forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181820
user3010322
If my professors let me, I'll pitch it to them as an idea.
user3010322
TO work on for a school project.
21:42
I guess I could use something like this amazon.com/Micro-USB-Male-Female-Adapter/dp/B0027YYMU6, but I still find it annoying.
user3010322
I would actually really like a device like that... hmhm.
user3010322
I'd also want to do things like put RFID tag IDs on it.
user3010322
I could also put a passive RFID tag in it too, would work great on a bracelet or wallet or necklace type dealie...
Yay. RFID and security. Such a fine mix
user3010322
@sehe The RFID would mostly be for fun.
21:44
Didn't you already make a front door unlocker based on RFID :/
Ell
Ell
I wonder why we don't have front door buzzers like we do with cars
user3010322
Door Unlocker, is in progress have not done the RFID part because I am still seriousyl considering the security implications.
> SANOXY® USB Gender Changer, A Female To Female
user3010322
I don't know a wireless key mechanism that is reasonably secure. =/
Ell
Ell
press button blip blip (indicators on house flash)
@ThePhD What do we use in cars every day? Use that.
user3010322
21:46
People have used RFID for cars, but I don't know what the industry standard for wireless keys are.
Cars have other features you cannot put in a house.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They probably have the best bang for the buck
An immobiliser in a house is useless.
tell that to Haitians
Xeo
Xeo
@bamboon Feuer frei! Bang bang
21:47
@Xeo ^^
@bamboon Hmm, maybe. No idea. What I should have said was "BUT NEXUS ONLY DECENT PHONES", which was a reference to some assertions made here once.
@Ell I'll prefer mitdoor.co.uk
Xeo
Xeo
A lot of assertions are made here every day - mostly that things suck.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah ok.
21:51
mostly by cats
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD The GA and my workplace have these magnet-based thingies where you just hold a small chip to the door lock.
@bamboon Yeah, for unlocked.
user3010322
@Xeo Basically, KeyFOBs (powered by RFID or something else).
bah
puppy swamp connection so slow
22kbs...
Xeo
Xeo
Get a better puppy connection - obviously the "swamp"-class is slow.
user3010322
21:52
I guess RFIDs aren't suitable because they're just a prebaked number, not really a passcode that's meant to work with a specific device or at a specific place.
user3010322
What would be better is if I make my own activate tag that stores a custom encrypted key of some kind, maybe?
user3010322
But how does that differ from a GUID in a goddamn KeyFOB?
user3010322
Just... dahwjdhwkd
user3010322
My brain. >.x
@ThePhD Newer cars use rolling codes.
Xeo
Xeo
@ThePhD Maybe something like Blizzard's authenticator?
user1804599
@LightnessRacesinOrbit HAPPY BIrTHDay my lOVe<3
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wow, et tu Brute?
21:54
@Xeo I guess Berlin pretty good.
@sehe How come? It's at 22:20:15Z!
Guys, when I say "SO birthday", I mean it ;P
Xeo
Xeo
@StackedCrooked I'm not in Berlin anymore :P
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lawl
Germany exudes an aura of "this is where decent stuff comes from".
21:55
@Xeo Ugh, I hate that. They use their own thingy instead of some open spec like HOTP or TOTP.
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes I had thought about that, but what prevents a person from getting the code off the keyfob and just... taking it to someone's door and being like "I have the updated code?"
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Those are the "rolling codes" you mentioned, right?
user3010322
I mean, to be fair, what I could do is making it so the keyfobs do a challenge-response kind of deal.
@R.MartinhoFernandes 27 beckons, then?
user1804599
21:56
Fucking cola.
Fucking hiccups.
Though I don't think cars use that.
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is why I said "something like"
user3010322
Whenever you program a KeyFOB, it becomes specific to the door which "signs" the tag directly.
Car manufacturers like to mess around with that a lot.
user3010322
It then provides a rolling signed code to it. If the signature is not correct when passing it out or the rolling code is not correct, lock out.
21:57
You know, patenting shit and stuff.
user3010322
eh.
Xeo
Xeo
heh
user3010322
Long as I'm not selling, nobody's gonna sue me for helping my Mother
Though I guess the car industry might be one place where patents actually work rather well.
I realised that despite loathing cars themselves, I have a lot of respect for car manufacturers. Hmmm.
user3010322
When Robots take over the world, Overlord Martinho will consider the Car Manufacturers and the dedication to their machines.

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