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sbi
10:00 PM
@Xeo I think this relates to an "occasional adrenaline kick" like a T54 tank relates to your grandfather's bicycle.
 
lol
 
missing a bicycle
 
The T-80.
 
@sehe It is was in the white part.
 
10:02 PM
Could go so fast it can fire in midair.
 
@Yakk Point conceded. Well done :/ (also, lol at "old sod") — sehe 21 secs ago
 
sbi
This is a damn good music video.
(Now everybody is watching Meds.)
 
Nope. I'm watching Herb
 
I just spent 90 minutes installing Windows updates, and Internet Explorer 10 is still refusing to install... :(
 
:{
 
sbi
10:09 PM
How's that a problem? I haven't know which IE version is installed on any machine I am working on for about a decade.
 
Visual Studio 2013 won't install without Internet Explorer 10.
 
sbi
Well, then... Too bad, Herb.
 
@FredOverflow I suppose... it might be time to tweak that registry key
 
@sehe What?
 
Xeo
Just pretend you have IE10 installed
 
10:11 PM
I believe I've seen it before (the regkey to tweak). It's like Rule 37, really
 
sbi
@sehe Is Rule 37 the one about porn? What's it got to do with VS?
 
In fairness, it would be required only for CSS/Html rendering, Help browsing (that's for wusses, and why would you want it to be slow?) and perhaps javascript debugging (conjecture)
@sbi I bet there's an analogous rule about random registry keys and random purposes for them
 
@sehe I don't need any of that shit, I just want to be able to write for (int x : {2, 3, 5, 7}) :(
 
Notepad.exe!
 
Xeo
@sbi That's 34
 
sbi
10:14 PM
@FredOverflow Obviously, you can do that even here on the chat.
 
@sbi Requires a screenshot to prove that it retained fidelity
 
sbi
@Xeo Why do you remember something as stupid like this?
 
Xeo
That one just sticks
 
shticks*
 
posted on September 09, 2013 by Scott Meyers

My talk from last week's Going Native 2013 conference, "An Effective C++11/14 Sampler" is now online. It covers these three guidelines: Understand std::move and std::forward.Declare functions noexcept whenever possible.Make std::threads unjoinable on all paths. Watch it here and let me know what you think. Scott

posted on September 10, 2013 by R. Martinho Fernandes

For the past year or so, I have been dedicating some of my free time to the design and implementation of a C++11 library for dealing with Unicode, that I decided to dub 'ogonek'. Now, for some background, I have a very poor opinion of many C++ APIs out there. Boost is pretty much the only one that I hold in high regard in that respect—even though I do have my complaints about it. For

 
sbi
10:22 PM
You should have typed on the left monitor, robot.
 
I am trying Embarcadero C++ Builder next :)
Oh fuck, you have to sign up, and it expires after 30 days. NEXT!
 
sbi
You're 15 years late. Back then, it was all the rage.
 
It's from April 2013.
@Feeds Oh happy days!
 
sbi
Ah, but that's just the latest installment.
 
You know what, fuck it, I'm gonna require my students to use clang from the command line :D
 
sbi
10:24 PM
Back then, we besieged Borland personal to invest in std conformance, but they were deaf, alowing VC to take over. MS released VC7.1 in 2003, and Borland C++ was done for.
 
I could build my own C++ IDE. With black jack and hookers!
 
@sbi lol
@FredOverflow Why the heck wasn't that the status quo in the firsrt place?
 
Because Visual Studio is so nice :)
 
Oh yeah. I forgot :)
 
And VS has a cool debugger.
Which is a pretty big deal for students.
 
sbi
10:28 PM
You wish.
 
Damn, it's like he reads my mind.
 
Nah. He just works with the NSA
 
Damn it, now I have to rebuild the engine in debug.
Damn you, crash.
 
sbi
Haven't you guys heard of a thing called "compiler"? It will do that for you.
Not all that new, either.
 
Lol. Crash?
 
10:31 PM
 
Xeo
grml, there are not enough hours in a day
 
I'm gonna brush my teeth in celebration!
 
@sehe I was hoping my quick fix would go smoothly, but it crashed.
Since I don't have a proper stack trace in release, I have to build the damn thing in debug.
And try again.
 
sbi
@Xeo What's even more galling is that there's not enough hours in the night.
 
10:34 PM
lol
 
Also, while I really like VS2012, VS2008 is a gigantic gorilla-shaped turd.
 
sbi
What?
 
It's certainly good to see you back. Although I'm still going to leave for bed. Herb's talk is sleep inducing
 
sbi
Damn, I need to be up in 5.5hrs, too.
 
Ell
Night guys :)
 
10:36 PM
Wow I have 12 GB worth of .pbd files
 
@Rapptz Hardcore debugging.
 
@sbi ITT: sbi looks like VS2008
 
deleting boost is a nightmare on an HDD
 
Xeo
@sbi 7-8h for me :(
 
hmm yeah sleep is not a bad idea.
 
10:40 PM
4chan's down :(
 
Xeo
don't go to 4chan
 
Ell
@rapptz not with ext4!
 
@Rapptz Good, that means you won't feel bad tonight.
 
How dare you delete existing files?
 
Xeo
10:51 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Always fun
Hm. No mirror :: Either a b -> Either b a in Haskell baselibs
 
@Rapptz Have you tried putting SMARTDRV.EXE in your AUTOEXEC.BAT? ;)
 
@Xeo why not? :(
 
Xeo
almost 1am...
 
11:05 PM
@FredOverflow STACKER.SYS!
 
@FredOverflow OMG, you're older than I am..
 
Wasn't it something like HIMEM=NOUMB in your CONFIG.SYS (that's two different lines conflated, AFAIR)
 
So is VS2013 RC any good?
 
yep
100+ std::make_pairs I could finally get rid of now :)
 
Time to install I guess
I forgot to
 
11:18 PM
also, where spaces, braces etc. go, crap alignment and stuff are now quite configurable in the options
 
Xeo
Replace with spaces the braces in places where braces cause stasis.
 
OMG there is an ungetc() function. I want to die in an air crash tomorrow :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes “will sequences of types” => “with sequences of types”
(re: ogonek article)
 
So VS2013 is the W7 of VS and VS2012 was the Vista of VS?
 
Ell
@martin but of course! How else would we remove a character from the get area?
 
11:21 PM
:)
 
although auto formatting of switch/case seems a bit bugged
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes “catters” => “caters”
 
case WA_ACTIVE:
    {
        win->eventqueue.push(win->OnFocusGained);
        break;
                }
 
I'm.. running W7 :(
What more do you want from me?!
 
install SP1 maybe? :E
 
11:23 PM
Hello, Monsters!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Finally, great article, but needs lots of (preferably very, very small) illustrative code examples
 
@Rapptz W8, duh.
 
@Rapptz Newer! Maybe Win9?
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm fairly certain it installs on W7 :)
 
I doubt VS2013 actually needs W8..
 
11:25 PM
but I bet if @Rapptz just clicked on the "newer version of Windows" link, he'd find out just what it requires :p
 
I did, but I already have W7 SP1
 
Lies. Windows 8 winver is still Version 6.2 (Build 9200).
 
in that case...install IE10 and try again? :S
@Nican so Win 8.1 is actually Win 6.2.1? 6.3? :)
 
@MartinJames Well, I grew up with MS-DOS 5.0 through 6.22 :)
 
@FredOverflow I noticed. I grew up with CP/M, so you're off the hook in the geriatric stakes :)
 
11:28 PM
@Rapptz Ha ha, Internet Explorer 10, I struggled with that for hours and finally gave up.
 
@FredOverflow trying to trick the installer into letting you install VS without IE? or trying to install IE? :E
 
Just trying to Install Internet Explorer 10. I have failed in two Windows machines so far with "error messages" that weren't helpful at all.
 
@KonradRudolph Thanks. I think I agree. I'll see if I can find some free time in the morning to add a few.
 
58 mins ago, by FredOverflow
^ That was great :)
 
I gotta sleep. Next time I log in, I'll be on an underpowered laptop with a bluetooth tether to an S3. Fuck me, it's gonna be slow :(
 
11:31 PM
declare foo as pointer to function (pointer to const void) returning pointer to array 3 of int
At which point, I wish people would use typedefs more.
 
Stupid GApps.
 
@MartinJames Ow.
 
@Nican "pointer to array 3 of int" lol
 
I still can't s2s to GTalk.
 
> C gibberish ↔ English
:D
 
11:34 PM
I like to this it as: C gibberish ↔ English gibberish
 
Argh disabling GTalk is not enough, you have to uninstall it. Which is so hidden.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes While helpful I doubt it'll be easy to make code examples for design decisions
 
what the hell is this: (double (^)(int , long long ))foo
 
A block.
 
whazzat
 
11:37 PM
C extension for lambdas.
Apple loves it.
 
It's an Obj-C thing iirc
 
oh.
 
It's C extension, but yeah most commonly used in Obj-C.
 
Ell
What is love?
Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. Dont hurt me. No more
 
@Rapptz The last parts describe the resulting design in some detail, and that I can illustrate nicely.
 
11:49 PM
:(
 
would you like some updates while we install updates to your update updater?
 
@Rapptz Seriously, fuck Visual Studio 2013 if it is so hard to install this piece of crap.
 
“@Cueball_Wille: My bro says he hates you, showing him #Firefly tomorrow.” For being a hater, tell him there's two seasons.
 
@FredOverflow Yeah I'm not going to bother. I already like my text editor + gcc combo I have going.
 
@Rapptz which editor?
 
11:57 PM
Um I use Sublime Text 2 because I couldn't get into Vim.
 
Hey, I use that, too :)
Do you use it to build as well, or do you simply run make from the command line or something?
 

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