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7:00 PM
Damn, that dumb push_back_ post got a lot of attention
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow There's some site that is like Twitter, but for >140chars
@Rapptz All the stupid posts seem to get a lot of attention. :(
@Rapptz Apply!
It only took them 2 months or something to approve me!
 
I don't feel like waiting 2 months to bitch to Bjarne & Co.
 
Xeo
Then mail him directly
 
Something I've noticed in std-proposals is that the guy David Krauss always seems to like the stuff posted there.
 
@Rapptz lol
I prefer buffer_overrun(), since that is what this will be enabling.
 
Xeo
7:03 PM
@Rapptz Nah, he bashed some stuff to. But he seems like an idiot at times.
 
@Xeo Not uncommon there.
 
Xeo
Sadly
> [20:55:44] <echristo> \o/
[20:59:58] <wendling> echristo: Is that a person sinking in quicksand?
lol
 
I like how it took some 30 messages in the push_back_ thread until someone finally decided to measure.
 
Xeo
Howard is awesome
 
I also like that the functional approach resulted in the same code.
 
7:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What post?
nvm found it
 
@Rapptz One by Howard Hinnant.
 
Xeo
Btw, I don't think there's a way to do the generator-method with in-place construction?
Although copy elision might take care of that
 
I don't like the idea of an easy to mess up method in the standard library
push_back_ seems really easy to cause bugs and shit
 
Pit of success/pit of despair kind of thing.
 
@Rapptz What's in two months? Are you going to a C++ committee meeting?
 
7:18 PM
It took Xeo 2 months to get accepted for posting in SG8
 
> outputs 312 numbers into 6354 bytes (there's a superfluous space on the end)
lol, lrn2intersperse
 
Xeo
lrn2range first!
 
7:31 PM
I should use noexcept more often
 
Ell
push_back_?
 
-6
Q: Strange( not PC) language, please help to translate

NataljaPlease, help me to translate. It is urgent! Look here: http://db.tt/MZz15sJX

I don't understand how people arrive to Stack Overflow to ask questions like these.
 
Are the functor objects std::less etc constexpr now?
 
@Insilico it got an answer
 
Guess not :s
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
@Insilico OP's birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory
 
It really should be constexpr though :s
 
Why is STL's second talk still not online :( ...I'll just watch the one from last year and pretend it's the new one :)
 
@FredOverflow Because the weekend happened I guess. They'll probably be here by tomorrow at most
 
crossing fingers
 
@FredOverflow You'll probably still learn a thing or two.
 
7:43 PM
I still don't get that type erasure thing.
 
0
Q: C++ Poco multiple SocketReactors?

Kacper FałatI write now game server, and there I can use only one SocketReactor to socket, but one SocketReactor for a game server won't be enough to handle just a simple logic operations. And there is a question, can one socket use dynamic SocketReactors ?

And there is a question :D
I like the tone of this post.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked What model of CPU does Coliru run on?
 
dunno
rackspace calls them "cloud servers" and I can't find any information about CPU type.
 
user1804599
Meh.
 
why the hell is F7 not "build solution" in the 2013 preview :E
 
Xeo
7:54 PM
what
 
@melak47 C-S-B?
 
I thought F7 was default with the VC++ 6 keyboard settings
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, but that's terrible, whyy
 
@melak47 Hmm, it's what I've always used.
 
hum. after loading the VC++6 preset for the third time now, I have F7. o.O
yay my crap still builds with the preview ^_^
 
user1804599
7:57 PM
Exploit y u no work.
 
I didn't even have to rebuild boost ^_^
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use C-S-B to run and C-B to build.
 
> You can be passionate about programming and still save your evenings for other pursuits. When else are you supposed to exercise, socialize, run errands, etc? Far too easy to let all that slide and then find yourself single and fat at 40 with no friends, wife, or kids. At that point you might as well buy an anime girl body pillow and call it a day. [source]
 
Who needs a wife?
 
heteros?
 
Xeo
8:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess that is... good to know?
 
@melak47 Reading "VC++6" in the Lounge almost gave me a heart attack.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked it's 64-bit, right?
 
@FredOverflow didn't mean to scare you :)
 
@not-rightfold yep
 
user1804599
Beh.
 
8:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes a husband
 
user1804599
Oh I know.
 
Oh no, a husband already has a wife.
Dammit.
 
user1804599
Is system call PERF_EVENT_OPEN enabled?
 
there are no disabled system calls
 
user1804599
8:06 PM
Hmm.
 
user1804599
Weird.
 
Phew.
For a moment there, I had a draft post published on the blog. Maybe I should make published: false the default :|
At least this time I fixed it before Feeds picked it up.
 
> Visual Studio 6 is on Facebook. To connect with Visual Studio 6, sign up for Facebook today.
 
@melak47 wait what?
 
8:11 PM
lol
 
@melak47 are you trying to kill fred?
 
: - O
 
you have to connect to facebook to use visual studio and you can share your code with your friends
 
8:14 PM
I can download a GN2013 talk at 1.4Mbps but Boost 1.54? That's a 20kbps
fu school internet
 
maybe you should stop downloading the talk while you're trying to download boost :)
 
i finished downloading the talks like an hour ago
 
also, 1.54 is only like 55MB
so at most it's going to take another 45 minutes to download. watch the talk while it does :p
 
Evening fellas
 
Ell
Evenin'
 
8:19 PM
@melak47 i dont have my earphones and im in class, or i would
 
@Borgleader why are you downloading boost in class?
what's your excuse for not having it already :p
 
I have 1.53 compiled for VS2012
I want to compile it 1.54 for VS2013 preview
 
@Borgleader wants to play compiler, how cute :)
 
lol fixes typo
oh it might be sourceforge's fault, im patching a game at ~1400kbps and my dl speed for boost hasn't dropped
 
patching a game in class? tsk.
 
8:27 PM
gotta take advantage of the free bandwidth
 
lol
 
you can bet ill dl most of the other talks from school
 
Where are you downloading them from?
 
the GN2013 website (they only have the day1 talks for now)
 
sbi
> From the net: Vaseline is great for sex! Put it on the doorknob so the kids can't come in and interrupt you. — @QuiltingMuriel
(You have to know that Muriel turned 95 last Thursday.)
 
8:30 PM
Ah. The Evil Inheritance one was day three, correct?
 
evil inheritance?
 
Ell
@sbi shudder
 
I think the title was specifically "The base class of Evil is Inheritance" or something.
 
sbi
@Ell Hey, that woman is 95 and she's on Twitter! ("my children aren't even on twitter")
 
Ell
xD
@sbi That is very impressive really :)
 
sbi
8:34 PM
That woman was born 1918, and she has a rather modern view onto this world.
 
Xeo
@Pawnguy7 "Inheritance is the base class of evil"
 
user1804599
class Inheritance { }
class Evil : Inheritance { } // So meta!
 
Ah. Right.
 
@not-rightfold Sean agrees.
 
user1804599
I need a new pair of shoes.
 
user1804599
8:38 PM
Wearing the same pair each day is getting boring.
 
Me too. They are falling apart.
 
you two could just switch shoes, then you'd both have a new pair!
 
user1804599
We'd both have an old pair.
 
user1804599
I need Chuck Taylor All Stars because those are teh superior.
 
class Friendship : Magic {}
 
Ell
8:40 PM
gahhh I can't conc.
 
user1804599
They give footgasms.
 
Is well-formedness a weird word?
 
@EtiennedeMartel you forgot public!
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Meh, IMagic.
 
If so, what would be a nice alternative?
 
8:41 PM
@Borgleader Not in C# I didn't.
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes "the act of being well-formed"
 
@not-rightfold Why interfaces?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think it's okay
but "conformity" is better maybe
 
@EtiennedeMartel I forgot I was in lounge<c#> ;)
 
@not-rightfold Erm, that's just wrong.
 
Ell
8:41 PM
although not sure it's the same thing
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Fits better here IMO.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not really IMO
 
@not-rightfold How come (better not be "interfaces because better")?
 
@not-rightfold "well-formedness" is a property, not an act.
 
@Borgleader I do C#, not C++.
 
Ell
8:42 PM
Hmm. @EtiennedeMartel can I ask your opinion on a certain aspect of "equal rights marriage"? I need a "very pro" person's view. Please :)
If I'm right in thinking that's your position?
 
@Ell Sure.
 
@not-rightfold the pretense of well-formation
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel What do you think about the argument that there are more important things to spend time and money on? For example, in the UK, people have told me "we are spending too much money on a minority when we have much bigger fish to fry such as the deficit"
Is that a reason to decline equal right marriage?
 
No, because it starts from the idea that that kind of thing has to be expensive to put in practice.
 
sbi
I see that the robot has been quite on Sunday. Maybe leaving here at 5am had a deteriorating effect on his productivity?
 
8:44 PM
While in the end it costs a lot because people oppose it.
 
Ell
I think it does cost a lot to put into practise
 
@sbi Hey, I was sober!
 
Why should it?
All you need is update a few forms here and there.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Boy, do you have an alarm for when someone posts the term "robot"?
 
Ell
8:45 PM
You would have to reform hundreds of laws. Divorce, domestic violence, a load of others
I can't think of them at the min, but I'll google now.
 
Xeo
@sbi Oh yeah, belated grats.
 
@Ell Why? Are you saying laws are made so that one partner has different rights?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Famous last words: "Hey, I was sober!"
 
@sbi I have chat on the left screen, and was typing on the right screen.
 
sbi
@Xeo Thanks!
 
8:46 PM
Because if they don't, then both are interchangeable.
 
domestic abuse doesn't specify a gender for assailant and victim.
 
Exactly.
 
@Xeo Did I miss something? Did he level up Was it his birthday?
 
sbi
Why the hell would someone type of the right screen, when the chat is on the left screen?
@Borgleader I am born on the same day as Muriel. Only a few years later, though.
 
@sbi typing something other than chat messages? :p
 
8:47 PM
@sbi I wasn't typing on chat, you silly.
I'm writing a blog post.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure. I remember watching BBC parliament, someone has done a study on it after it became legal in a country
I was just wondering what the opinion would be
 
@Ell Let me tell you, we have gay marriage in Canada, and nothing bad happened.
 
I think the only reason to question gay marriage is if we're questioning the entirety of it in context of being at all pertinent to the government. It's a religious practice.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You are writing a blog post and call me "silly"? Shirley, you are being nuts.
 
@sbi Wait, I fell for it again, didn't I?
 
8:48 PM
@Chemistpp Nobody's questionning that.
 
Ell
@Chemistpp I personally believe the government should be entirely secular
 
The debate is about civil unions.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes What? You fell for what?
 
Most of the opposition comes from people who don't like gays and therefore don't like the idea of giving them equal rights.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I was to lazy to scroll ;) I only saw a little discussion.
 
8:49 PM
posted on September 09, 2013 by Herb Sutter

At Build in June, we announced that VC++ 2013 RTM “later this year” would include the ISO conformance features in the June preview (explicit conversion operators, raw string literals, function template default arguments, delegating constructors, uniform initialization and initializer_lists, and variadic templates) plus also several more to be added between the Preview and the RTM: [

posted on September 09, 2013 by Herb Sutter

I see the recording went live this morning. Thanks again to all the speakers and in-room and worldwide attendees for coming and watching! Day 2 Keynote: One C++ Herb Sutter My favorite part was seeing the response to the challenge to write a cool graphical interactive C++ program from scratch in 24 hours using a […]

 
@EtiennedeMartel union civil { man husband; woman wife; };?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Should be person.
 
@Feeds Stop spamming, @Feeds.
 
@Feeds slowpoke :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not with husband and wife, though.
 
8:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good point.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes union civil { auto one; auto other; };
 
@sbi You were trolling me. Again.
 
In the end, I don't understand why it's such a big deal. Give them the damn rights, and move on. There. Now we can focus on other issues.
 
Xeo
Ugh, someone on #llvm just posted something inspecting decltype(&T::operator()) :'(
 
@Chemistpp who gets to be the one? and who is the "other"? arbitrary discrimination!
 
8:51 PM
@Xeo ARGFH.
 
@EtiennedeMartel convenient to hide the ugly stuff
@melak47 lol, I didn't know!
 
sbi
@Ell You're just totally backwardly silly. Some of my friends and neighbors are homosexual. (The robot met a couple on Saturday.) They are nice people. Some are single, some are in relationships. Some have been in the same relationship for more than a decade. They certainly love each other. Why the hell should they not be allowed to marry each other?
 
also...how are you ever going to divorce such a union? if each partner get's 50% of the shared memory...that's gonna be ugly
 
Ell
@sbi ask the church, not the government! :P
 
Ell
8:52 PM
It's not a decision I can make. Ask the pope! Or the head rabbi
or whatever each is called
I really don't see why there is any legislation surrounding it
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. The two women who sat on the couch before they left with the older one for the Berghain were a couple.
 
@EtiennedeMartel We have gay marriage in Portugal, and look at all the bad things that happened!
 
@Ell The church aren't the ones causing the biggest problems.
 
(For the slowpokes: I'm being facetious for humour)
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel Why? o.O
 
8:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Horrible.
 
sbi
@Ell I was asking you. (You aren't "the government", are you?)
 
@Ell It's the pobbi. Or the rape. Wait.
 
@Ell Look at the US, for instance: the blunt of the opposition doesn't come from religious institutions. It comes from people who think that they are right to deny others their rights.
 
Ell
@sbi Well I personally don't see the reason why two men can't get married. Or two women. Or whichever
 
> Note: For defaulted functions, using =default to request memberwise move constructors and move assignment operators is not supported.
boo!
 
sbi
8:55 PM
@Ell Ah, so I got the wrong impression.
 
Ell
I wanted to hear opinions about my point about expense, because I see it as a valid point although I can sort of understand why people thing "give them rights and move on"
 
> <type_traits> received major stabilization and code fixes.
 
Ell
@sbi Sorry! :)
 
I bet @ThePhD would like that...if her was still here! :(
 
Ell
I wonder where he went o.O
 
sbi
8:59 PM
Speaking of "the older one": One of the guests on my birthday party was older than my mother. She also has a mother in law who's a few years younger than she is. And she left my party to go to what's probably the most famous club in Berlin — to see one of her sons (about my age) perform there.
When my mother (who was here, too) asked how old that friend of mine is, my mother wouldn't believe she's younger herself. "But she looks younger!" I told her that this friend of mine has more wrinkles, which my mother wouldn't believe until I showed her a picture. My conclusion: She appears younger because she feels younger, and radiates that feeling, not because she looks younger.
A most impressive woman.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes He wanted to "inspect the return type". :(
 
@Xeo How surprising :/
 
Uh
I just realised that Andrei Alexandrescu == Gru.
 
Xeo
Where?
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph You mean Ugh, don't you?
 
9:03 PM
@sbi Gru … from Despicable Me
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph I suppose that's something on TV, huh?
 
I haven't seen that.
@sbi Its a cartoon movie
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I haven't seen you (in a while). Job still great?
 
@sbi Don’t you have children who force you to go to cinema?!
 
Its for little large children.
@sbi Yep :)
 
9:06 PM
It’s an awesome cartoon movie for adults
 
Maybe I'll watch it someday
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Sometimes. The age they watch Petterson & Findus I go with them. When they are teens, they go with their friends.
 
Ell
Meh. Childrens movies aren't entertaining for me
 
so, visual studio ships with the REST sdk now.
 
@melak47 Why don't they give that a rest. :P
 
sbi
9:08 PM
@Ell I enjoyed most of them — the first time around. Now, if I have to watch another Ice Age movie I feel terrible.
 
@TonyTheLion I suppose the json lib of that could be useful?
 
I've seen the first and second Ice Age movie.
I think...
@melak47 I suppose.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Read this question in the version before some idiot sanitized it.
 
hahah
 
yay, the 2013 RC has the fix for the broken initializer lists :)
 
9:13 PM
yay!
 
Xeo
@melak47 dat neon green
 
now I can remove about a hundred explicit std::make_pair() calls
 
"What he said ^". Some forum posts are so constructive.
 
^
 
Xeo
^
 
9:14 PM
+1
 
Xeo
okay, no, nvm
 
what they didn't fix yet is the horrible template auto formatting :E
 
Xeo
9:15 PM
note to self: keep something like a pen close, so you don't start spinning that knife out of habit.
 
hmmm
so Ape, how have you been of late?
 
@sbi you might like this then :)
 
Oh my, that again.
I had almost forgotten.
 
I'm not watching it
 
9:18 PM
he brought up the 60ies :)
 
Robot's reaction is enough to keep me away.
 
@TonyTheLion Oh you should.
 
Ell
Hmm I can't find the Stack Overflow question about legal/illegal c++ names/identifiers
 
Er...
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Younger than I am now.
 
9:18 PM
@TonyTheLion It's funny.
@TonyTheLion He looked alright on Saturday.
 
sbi
@melak47 Nope, I don't.
 
aw. :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh good.
I can't believe I'm actually watching that :/
at least its not as bad as the thing Cat posted the other day
The UFO porno thingy. whistles
That was bad.
 
o.O
 
9:22 PM
> This video may be inappropriate for some users.
 
sbi
Help me! I accidentally clicked on a Visage's Fade to Grey video, and I now I am trapped in the 80s and can't get back!
 
Ell
in c++, what is an "identifier"? Does that include things like class names, template parameter names etc. etc. or is it just variable names?
 
Xeo
all kinds of names
 
Ell
Right okay
 
file names? :>
 
sbi
9:26 PM
Wow. According to the Related Videos section on YT, David Bowie has been on stage with the Foo Fighters, the Nine Inch Nails, Queen, and Lou Reed. I wouldn't have thought something like this is even possible.
 
@Yakk aww, you really didn't have to explain. I was using the Socratic method to point out sloppiness in the explanation. (And, seeing how well it works, I might ask you: If { 1,2,3,4,5 } is not an expression, then surely std::vector<int> v = { 1,2,3,4,5 }; must involve aggregate initialization, don't you agree :/ - I kid, only half though...) — sehe 2 mins ago
@melak47 Nice. I thought for a moment you posted that screenshot for the 3rd(+) time now :/
@sbi Commerce...
 
@sehe I only posted it a second time because ThePhD wanted it :p
 
Oh, you're absolved already... (sigh; petty change)
 
@melak47 He's no longer here.
or is he lurking?
 
@TonyTheLion that's why I dropped the @
I don't know if he's lurking...
COME BACK!
 
9:33 PM
THEPHD IF YOU ARE LURKING, COME BACK NOW!!
 
sbi
Wasn't the keyphrase for him to appear (like sex is with you, @Tony), to talk about visiting Europe?
 
God. That was bad :)
It's been a while since I've seen you in this mode. Perhaps CPS-iterator ended up defeating you after all?
 
sbi
I have a soft spot for great cover versions, and Placebo's rendition of Running Up That Hill is incredibly good. They've taken an anxious song and turned it into some violently menacing monument. See how deep the bullet lies. Indeed.
 
@TonyTheLion You make it sound like we're in a scéance or something
 
@sbi He's been to the UK, you know.
 
sbi
9:37 PM
@TonyTheLion Ah, so I had this right.
 
@sehe If only I knew what that meant :/
 
I hereby claim the right to equal marriage!
 
Ell
And havent spoken to @bartek for a while too :o he said he was busy last time. I presume he still is but this ping will be a hello anyways
 
@TonyTheLion You're still on a version of SE Chat without the 'internet' plugin?
2
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion He meant you sounded like you were calling up a ghost.
 
Xeo
9:40 PM
@Ell He was here earlier
 
I suck.
@sehe I forgot for a moment it existed :P
 
Ell
I need to write a basic opengl GUI thing at some point
 
lawl. I'm in a trawling mood. I will be checking pension conditions tomorrow. And signing a contract on wednesday. Life is good
 
sbi
So you got that job?
 
I got an offer. It's looking good. I just talked to my "unit manager" today. He's completely supportive of my move (that's a relief). It's not like I hadn't told them I'd prefer to do something more... C++ before :)
This means I can simply leave at leisure, without too many worries, and even got the standing invitation to come back should I change my mind in a year or so :D
 
9:44 PM
Sometimes, even employers realize it's not smart to burn bridges.
 
Yeah. I love that that happens. It's really sad to leave a very nice employer after 15 years (if I terminate the contract October 18th, exactly 15 years)
That said, the vibes at the new spot are pretty jelly too.
Like I said, >>life is good<<
 
Hey gratz :)
 
sbi
Speaking of new job, would you guys consider this job?
 
I wouldn't.
 
> Instead of an uninitialized_resize() this involves another ugly method, which we could tentatively call just_set_the_end_pointer().
That would make an awesome std::vector.
 
9:50 PM
@sehe First time is see that word written that way.
 
Where do they find these people?
 
@Yakk yeah, you reframed my Socratic q. to fit the OP's. However, I had no such intention. My point was merely std::initializer_list<T> is an expression, AFAICT :/ (I thought my "I kid" and other not-so-subtle hints would have been enough to warn you not to take it seriously. Sorry if I bothered you.)sehe 4 secs ago
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Those that free-climb up transmission towers?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Hmm? What's the alternative?
 
@sehe Séance.
 
9:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Ah. My bad. I plead ingallicien :<
 
Surprisingly, Wikipedia's article on Quebec bashing is marked as biased.
 
I would.
Briefly.
In fact, I just did. Life is still >>good<< :)
 
sbi
> NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED, I OWN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING — on a YT video
 
Hey, it could be he uploaded it using a stolen laptop!
 
sbi
@sehe I'd never. Back a decade or two I realized that fear of height is something that, for me, increases with age.
 
9:54 PM
yay, homeward bound
 
@sbi Ah. For me, it increases with height
 
later
 
Spåter
 
sbi
@sehe That was the pun I hinted at. I'm glad you caught it.
 
Now, onto the real question: how to cure the fear of age
 
sbi
9:56 PM
@sehe Climb high.
 
That'd work.
In my case, the fear gets removed by removing the chance of "old age" happening... :[
 
Xeo
@sbi I like the occasional adrenaline kick, but I think that may be just a little too much
 
sbi
> "Getting older is no problem. You just have to live long enough." - Groucho Marx — @QuiltingMuriel
 
Is laziness usually... not always logical?
 
sbi
9:59 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's giving a whole new (and quite literal) meaning to the phrase "to shoot around blindly".
 
@EtiennedeMartel hey, they can't see it anyway, so why conceil it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel FFS
s/in public// and still FFS
 

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