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9:00 PM
@sbi sleeping?
@StackedCrooked how does it feel to be over 30?
 
@ManofOneWay like about 5 years later than what it felt like to be over 25.
I have yet to reach a certain point in my life and say, wow this feels different.
 
@Xaade I'm feeling old now
@Xaade I'm not as strong as when I was 20 =(
 
At which point I realized that adults were just older idiots.
 
With cooler toys
 
@Man I know older people who feel stronger than when they were 20.
 
9:03 PM
@Xaade of course =)
 
decadence.
 
@ManofOneWay Fiiiiine
You?
 
@Xaade Texas, hell yeah
@Xaade Can you buy anti-tank gun in texas?
 
@ManofOneWay Aweful.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm fine thank you!
 
9:05 PM
@StackedCrooked Shock & Aweful
 
@EtiennedeMartel what's happening?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not saying what's up anymore, since all people in here are replying "The Sky"
 
Oh
Well, I'm currently having fun with styles in WPF
 
9:13 PM
And I'm waiting for TortoiseSVN to stop freezing
 
@EtiennedeMartel you got linkedin?
 
Nope
Never needed to
 
okey
@EtiennedeMartel me neither, but it's always good I guess =)
 
10:02 PM
ok, I've got a problem
oh, wait, nm
 
ok, talk us about your problem
we can help you
 
well
I moved const to be a library feature
but now wtf am I going to do if I want to write a function that takes either lvalues or rvalues in the same overload?
 
can you provide an example?
 
can you read my language that doesn't exist?
 
what are you talking about? this is the C++ chat o.o
 
10:08 PM
yeah
firstly, we almost never discuss C++ in here
secondly, everyone knows I'm developing my own variant
and thirdly, how could anyone in C++ possibly change const to be a library feature?
 
I think perhaps the more frustrating part of learning an entirely new language is learning all the new tools.
 
I plan on pre-processing into C++ for my first implementation
and thereby stealing all their tools
 
That's not a bad plan.
 
let's hope so
because my language is hideously, unbelievably complex, even compared to C++ :P
 
@DeadMG you should undo the c++ mistake and include some sort of writeonly qualifier :)
 
10:15 PM
@Josh If you want a writeonly qualifier, write your own. You can do that in "DeadMG++".
 
I can't wait to instruct my team that we are scrapping our current codebase and rewriting everything in DeadMG++
 
hey, it'd run faster, and probably compile faster, and be easier to write
 
I can see furious googling going on after tommorrow's scrum
 
when I say easier to write I mean hideously difficult to write
by that I mean that I actually think that it can, maybe, just maybe, be pretty easy to write but might turn out to be Hideously McBad™
 
@DeadMG Of course. Malbolg-ian, I'm sure
 
10:17 PM
well
the problem is that, firstly, you have to type a lot more
I mean, that's a consequence of giving people more choice- that they have to actually write what they want
but also, the programs can become much more complex
 
Sounds like C++ so far.
 
I mean, C++ only allows metaprogramming, in WideC you can do meta-meta-meta-programming
 
What is WideC?
 
ugh
I mean, "DeadMG++"
I keep misnaming it like five different things because I'm not settled on a name yet
but I think that it will be manageable because each individual function or type only has compile-time or run-time
just, well, the compile-time of one function is the run-time of another
and also, clearly disambiguating what occurs at compile-time and what occurs at run-time in any given function may be decidedly non-trivial, although I'm not so sure
 
Then define it more rigorously - then you will be sure.
 
10:23 PM
the problem isn't the compiler being sure
well, to a limited extent
it's the user being sure
because they're quite interchangable and you might create values at compile-time and then use them at run-time and then change them and use the new value at run-time
 
@DeadMG lol
 
especially complex types
how the hell am I going to get complex types across the compile-time barrier?
am I supposed to automatically serialize DatabaseConnections?
 
@DeadMG You can't. A database connection has state that is only useful in a temporal context. You cannot serialize temporal data, because you cannot decouple the lifetime of the data's meaning which is required for serialization.
 
All I know is that database connections aren't a language feature.
 
exactly
but there'd be nothing stopping you attempting to do that
 
10:28 PM
I didn't think I worded that well, so I'm glad that you understood that :)
@DeadMG So? You can't prevent anyone from abusing your language.
 
You could serialize it, but the serialized data wouldn't be useful.
 
sure
 
Wasn't there a guy in here earlier arguing that refs and pointers are the same thing? You can't fix that.
 
but what if you thought you were using it at compile-time?
 
@DeadMG Well, maybe you could have a "temporal" qualifier, to hint it's not serializable? That would make that error possibly catchable at compile time.
 
10:30 PM
maybe I should introduce explicit keywords
like
compile { do_stuff runtime { do_moar_stuff } }
well, ultimately, you would have to devise some system where people can define their own serialization functions
and then just error if it isn't provided
 
@DeadMG That's a good idea. VB .NET does that... :]
 
lol
 
I ducked when making that statement, fyi
 
well, I'm fine with throwing some compiler errors
that's good for me
 
@StackedCrooked it's about beer 30 over in Belgium right now, isn't it?
 
10:37 PM
you know#
maybe I can convince Bison to accept a few grammatical changes
 
"If you would like any new feature to be included in future versions of Bison, please send a request to <help-bison@gnu.org>."
 
no, I meant, changes to my Bison grammar
 
@StackedCrooked According the CIA factbook, suffrage in Belgium is universal and compulsory - does that mean you are not allowed to abstain from voting?
@DeadMG Ah, ok.
 
10:50 PM
man
designing languages is tough
 
Blargh! I should have known that vacation with my family would mean two weeks of tech support.
3
Dammit.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Awesome, someone else uses blargh.
 
@MartinhoFernandes That sucks- I'd never want to go on vacation with my family :P
can hardly stand them in a regular setting
 
@Josh I read the Jargon File. Top to bottom. Thrice.
 
@MartinhoFernandes Haha, me too - once. That makes me pingful.
 
10:55 PM
:)
 
@MartinhoFernandes I think it's safe to assume you have read the "Story of Mel", and "Magic and More Magic"
 
Yeah. I really like Magic and More Magic.
Jul 28 at 20:28, by Martinho Fernandes
I like fork + exec because it's basically "magic" and "more magic".
 
Yes
Why is here the war room?
 
Long story.
When will people stop trying to ascertain meaning to the room's topic?
 
@Mobinga Quote from Dr. Strangelove.
@MartinhoFernandes Ah, ok.
 
11:07 PM
@Josh Thanks.
 
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Q: Erlang ETS tables versus message passing: Optimization concerns?

user30997I'm coming into an existing (game) project whose server component is written entirely in erlang. At times, it can be excruciating to get a piece of data from this system (I'm interested in how many widgets player 56 has) from the process that owns it. Assuming I can find the process that owns t...

I'm considering flagging this question for closure.
I'm not sure if it was done on purpose, but it can be both interpreted as vague and specific, and I think answering it may have been a complete waste of time on my part.
 
I don't understand half of it.
> This behavior of saving the work and/or closing the app when the last document is closed is a standard feature in Lion for many apps to use.
Am I the only one that thinks this is... not so special?
I want this!
 
11:47 PM
@MartinhoFernandes That would be really nice for organization
 

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