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@TheGuyWhoCouldn'tTalkToTheGirl What should Sky say then?
@CatPlusPlus Calm down. Everything will be fine.
@Xeo I always speak like I really want each sentence to end before it started.
what does "on hold" mean?
It's the new "closed", because "closed" is TOO IMPOLITE or something.
@Jeffrey "It is similar in many ways to BSkyB's Sky"
Let's sue them too guys.
20:04
@jalf I looked at the ASM again and spotted it.
call	strcmp
addl	%esi, %eax
imull	$2000000000, %eax, %eax
friggin gcc cheating my tests
@jalf Does it matter why something is optimized? The original question was "why is A faster than B". It only depends on the instructions
@CatPlusPlus I don't believe you :) ITT Cat is talkative
@MooingDuck friggin gcc doing it's job
GCC does the loops in 0, 575 , and 1676 ticks on my machine. MSVC does 170982, 103897, and still calculating the third :(
And in return trolling C++ has has had the auto keyword since before standardization :/ — sehe 2 mins ago
oh right, can't time MSVC with debugger attached because stupid
nope, that's slow too. stupid msvc
I know proper C++ style, but I'm not a fan of the "cout" syntax. I prefer using functions. I'll use it when it's needed. — Darin Beaudreau 4 hours ago
lol
20:10
Modifying it could very well crash the application. In fact this is precisely what happens when you write through a const char* in the average hello-world level app. I guess my point is "UB is never beside the point" — sehe 1 min ago
@Rapptz Completely missing the point of using vector, map, algorithms and proper unsigned comparisons
hey everyone
I was wondering, I'm mostly from a Python background and in C++ classes I tend to prefix everything with this-> . Is this generally considered bad practice in C++?
@nightcracker Unecessarily verbose.
20:20
@MooingDuck lol i was talking about cat++'s speaking and writing times
@nightcracker I don't think it's bad practice, merely unusual
I like Living Waterway so much
Dang VGMs. Getting stuck in my head.
also why would you use auto over an explicit type declaration. it's the same thing anyway :|
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A: What is the point of the 'auto' keyword?

Rapptzauto has a lot of uses when it comes down to both generic programming and to save the programmer some typing. For example, consider this. Would you rather type out: std::unique_ptr<name::long_type::goes_here> g = std::make_unique<name::long_type::goes_here>(1,2,3,4) or: auto g = std::m...

@EiyrioüvonKauyf std::vector<std::vector<std::string>>>::const_iterator it = myvec.begin(); doesn't add much over auto it=myvec.begin()
20:23
@EiyrioüvonKauyf look at the DRY principle
auto is amazing.
Type inferrence is amazing.*
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Why would you use C++ when you can use assembly?
@EtiennedeMartel why use assembly if you can handcode binaries?
> gloox is a rock-solid, full-featured Jabber/XMPP client library, written in clean ANSI C++
> ANSI C++
Something's weird in there.
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Xeo
20:28
I don't think so
Isn't the standard double-published under ISO and ANSI?
1998 ANSI/ISO C++
@EiyrioüvonKauyf it's not
@Xeo Maybe, but it's been a while since I've seen anyone refer to standard C++ as "ANSI C++" instead of "ISO C++".
Xeo
Xeo
Oh wait, maybe not.
@Xeo Nope.
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20:30
In most countries, an ISO standard automatically becomes a national standard (or a standard of the national body, depending on how things are organized in the country). Thus, ISO C++ is also ANSI C++, BSI C++, DIN C++, etc. Conventionally, when it is an ISO standard, we call it ISO, rather than changing the name according to the country we're in. — James Kanze May 2 '11 at 23:51
Might be just me, but I'd avoid things calling it ANSI C++
Ansi C++ is more lax than ISO C++ usually
i.e certain implicit conversions are allowed
but these changes are only very minor and not worth mentioning
@EtiennedeMartel I agreed on using C#. Take that.
@Rapptz Looked at the code, the sample uses raw owning pointers.
@BartekBanachewicz For what?
@EtiennedeMartel Lounge<Chat>
or maybe Chat<Lounge>
20:33
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but what side of things?
Backend? Front end?
@EtiennedeMartel Silverlight is dead, so it's backend.
So... Windows server or crap Mono?
(Because Mono is crap)
IDK. doesn't matter.
(And even if it was good, Miguel de Icaza is a douchebag)
@BartekBanachewicz It does matter.
@EtiennedeMartel is that the leader? I've heard good opinions on him
@EtiennedeMartel there goes "cross platform", huh?
20:34
Infrastructure is an important question.
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not talking about cross platform stuff.
I'm talking about: what are you guys planning to run it on?
Because that will limit what you can use.
@BartekBanachewicz Ask @KonradRudolph.
@EtiennedeMartel I have no idea. I thought C# is crossplatform.
@BartekBanachewicz The language itself is, but it comes with a bunch of libraries which might not be.
So, if you use an external library, you have to make sure it works with, say, Mono.
Anyway.
What I'm saying is: you can't just pick a tech and worry about hardware later.
We'll worry about Mono support later.
We'll run it from Azure.
So, Windows then?
I see.
That solves the problem then.
You can have template parameters for member functions. — interjay 1 min ago
Can you? I'm 100% sure you can't.
20:39
Sure you can.
@Rapptz Dat 100%.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah! Because class A { template<size_t N> std::array<int, N> v; }; isn't valid. So I don't know how you can.
@Rapptz He's talking about functions.
You can't template variables in general.
20:40
Oh sly bastard.
He edited it or I misread it.
I didn't even mention functions.
@Rapptz The comment you've linked above talks about "functions".
So he changed it before you pasted the link here.
It's a comment on my answer but my answer was about variables.
And this, kids, is why you refer to instance variables as "data members", not just "members".
So.. weird.
@CatPlusPlus I refer to them as "penises".
20:42
Penii.
That ain't how you write it.
penes
I'm fairly sure that's a type of pasta.
penilicious
@BartekBanachewicz I made a baseline schedule, assuming 8 points/week velocity with the prototype scheduled in two weeks.
20:44
> Mange mon pen
all the notifications
@EtiennedeMartel It's the correct plural of penis.
Well, well.
also i frequently love writing my software in binary cough as in literally writing the binaries
No, it's not, because the etymology doesn't mean shit as soon as the word becomes English.
20:45
This guy is fkn nuts... 790 rep in a day what the bloody fuck
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@EtiennedeMartel "Penne"?
Stupid keyboard
Oh, I was thinking of penne. With two "n"s. Careful kids.
Penne is a type of pasta with cylinder-shaped pieces. Penne is the plural form of the Italian penna, deriving from Latin penna (meaning "feather" or "quill"), and is a cognate of the English word pen. Description and variations In Italy, penne are produced in two main variants: "penne lisce" (smooth) and "penne rigate" (furrowed), the latter having ridges on each penna. There is also pennoni ("big quills"), which is a wider version of penne. Cooking Penne is traditionally cooked al dente and served with pasta sauces such as pesto, marinara, or arrabbiata. Penne is a popular ingr...
I like Penne pasta.
I like any kind of pasta. So fucking tasty.
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@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, and without 's'
20:45
@Xeo Yeah.
@EtiennedeMartel I don't like the weird coloured or wheat pasta.
weird colored?
red, green, blue
Weird, coloured.
Yesterday I went to a restaurant that served disgusting pasta.
That wasn't a nice lunch.
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Xeo
20:46
Spinache, tomato, and something else
Tomatoe.
Buttes and donges.
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Xeo
shaddup.
Anus étoilé.
So who else wants to destroy SO chat join the project?
@CatPlusPlus :D
20:47
@CatPlusPlus I'm about as productive as a fat whale on a unicycle.
@Xeo hiho :)
Good, you'll fit in.
But I would very much like to follow the project, and maybe hop in if I find interesting features.
Xeo
Xeo
20:48
@AndyProwl Talk about high latency.
@Xeo yeah, I should work on my response time
How's SO these days?
Still sucks.
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Xeo
Still too many bad questions
Also they tried to shut us down!
Those bastards.
20:50
hm noone replied to my obvious troll about ansi vs iso differences :(
@JohannesSchaub-litb I don't think anybody cares.
Like, tried to shut down the Lounge?
@JohannesSchaub-litb I think it was too obvious
JBL
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@AndyProwl Frozen by a mod.
@JBL A very clueless mod.
20:51
Motivation?
To be fair, there is a double standard in place.
From the PHP room.
we should get a mod to mod the mod. anyone wanna make a mod
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Care to elaborate? Preferably further than "I personally don't like using C functions in C++." — James McLaughlin 6 hours ago
AHAHAHAHA
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JBL
@EtiennedeMartel As Casper said, it was his first "encounter" with this room.
@AndyProwl An offensive post brought him (Telkitty posted something quite gory), Cat trolled (or did he ?), mod froze it.
20:54
Why does everyone think I was trolling, jesus.
3
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Haha !
@JBL Mods should be a bit less sensitive
don't troll please
SO policies are dumb.
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16 secs ago, by Johannes Schaub - litb
don't troll please
20:54
It's a fact.
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@AndyProwl In this case, he was quite obsessed with the fact that room should be On Topic. And saw/thought that the Lounge C++ didn't had enough C++/Programming in it.
5 mins ago, by Johannes Schaub - litb
hm noone replied to my obvious troll about ansi vs iso differences :(
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^We were talking about double standards, right ?
@AndyProwl don't feed the troll please!
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lol
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20:56
The troll might get fat indeed.
the troll is hot as fuck
Shame on me, I still haven't realized what a troll is
Ah, wikipedia enlighted me again
@AndyProwl wikipedia tends to do that :). now the question is, is wikipedia or google more useful
21:00
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Definitely google. Wikipedia still doesn't explain what a "repwhore" is
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@EiyrioüvonKauyf A good portion of google request lead you to wikipedia anyway.
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a whore that's after rep
@Xeo Xeo > Wikipedia!
lol
i want to search repwhoring
but i'm at work -.-
Wikipedia tends to be not-very-good for CS-related stuff.
21:02
^ i disagree
depends what cs stuff
it's pretty nice for parts of graph theory for example
@EiyrioüvonKauyf don't talk to the cat about wikipedia, he claims wikipeida is wrong on all technical things and that he's right.
then refuses to provide sources for anything he says, even when provided sources that he's wrong
It's not wrong on all technical things, it's often shit at programming-related crap.
21:04
@EiyrioüvonKauyf "in place algorithms" comes to mind
hmm, I have a salad but no fork, this might become interesting
:|
this looks like python-like syntax
And what did I say about in-place algorithms?
wikipedia doesn't like pointers afaik
in Python, 2 mins ago, by Tshepang
you guys must check the C++ room if in the mood for some hunor
in Python, 3 mins ago, by Tshepang

Lounge<C++>

No more kitty grenades
there are in-place algorithms in here
in fact
i'm an inplace algorithm
21:06
@CatPlusPlus wikipedia says in-place takes O(1) additional memory. IIRC you said in-place was output space = input space.
Also, wikipedia says value semantics implies immutability, whereas IIRC you said C++ pass by value was part of "value semantics"
@MooingDuck Don't remember.
yes, value semantics implies immutability strictly
i think it is better to say that c++ has "object semantics"
@MooingDuck This article is shit.
21:10
at least I think so
because, values are by definition immutable. there are no values that change
4 always stays 4. you cannot change it. but an int object that contains 4 may change to now contain value 5
@JohannesSchaub-litb I was thinking it has "reference semantics", but "object semantics" is probably better
Ugh how does C++ has reference semantics.
Seriously.
i would say that java has a mix of object and reference semantics
If you can make terminology 'n' shit up, so can I.
@CatPlusPlus specifically, I was inventing a name for what C++ has since I know no definition for "reference semantics", nor do I know a name for what C++ has.
21:12
the "primitive types" have object semantics, and the rest (i forgot how they are called) have reference semantics. of course the references themselfs have object semantics too. not sure how that is called either
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^User-defined ?
It's the same distinction as value/reference types. Except refers to the prevalent mode of operation in the language.
Also seriously fuck Wikipedia articles on this shit that are one sentence long. High quality.
so saying "change the value of the object" really does not make sense. it has to be "change what value the object has". i.e replacing the value with a new value.
but I think this is where it becomes picky
@JohannesSchaub-litb Stepanov has a nice formalization in Elements of Programming that amounts pretty much to what you wrote
@AndyProwl neat :)
@AndyProwl so there's evidence that he's not just made his stuff up
lol
21:21
lol
hmm, why is my inplace quicksort not linked in my profile>
euh docs are a necessary evil -.-. i love them but hate writing them. i should just record screencasts :P
yay Zach responded to me!!
@BartekBanachewicz ?
@EiyrioüvonKauyf the creator of Terra
21:34
ahh cool
> This still has the issue that errors will be printed to stdout during compilation of "badcode", but eventually I want to modify the way errors are reported to all of the errors associated with the call to compile are contained within the errmsg string, giving you the ability to hide the errors if you want.
/cc @Xeo ^
+1 for showing my recommentation — sehe 59 secs ago
Of course, a completely overblown example using Boost Spirit could not be remiss :< stackoverflow.com/a/18005034/85371
Xeo
Xeo
One day, you'll kill yourself with that
hunor

Mmmm. Yes. Delicious hunor! With pudor
@Xeo :)
@sehe with Karma. What. The. Fuck.
you have no mercy to noobs.
none at all
anyway I can create a function in haskell
Xeo
Xeo
21:41
In other news, the touch handling of Splashtop is pretty nice
you mean W8?
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Xeo
makes working with the chat on my Nexus that much better.
um, why didn't you just use full mode?
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Splashtop is a remote-desktop app
yeah I googled.
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21:43
@BartekBanachewicz I am using desktop mode
But I can actually reply like this from mobile.
Stupid Unity requiring Pro license for access to the build pipeline.
@sehe i rub hunor. i liv on hunor :3
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@CatPlusPlus If Unity was a toilet brand, you'd have to buy a different license for every type of toilet paper you want to use.
They got rid of that.
@CatPlusPlus Is it me or with every iteration they lock more stuff out of the basic version?
21:45
4.2 has multiplatform support in the base package, so no.
hey @EtiennedeMartel it's cool you're with us :3
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interesting
btw @EtiennedeMartel if you want a Pivotal account to make/claim stories or whatever, gimme email.
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@BartekBanachewicz *you're, I assume
I forgot to tell you. :v:
Or I did and I forgot I told you.
Whatever.
21:46
@Xeo oh my god :/
I don't remember.
@CatPlusPlus you forgot indeed
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@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, you suck.
@Xeo but I can create a function!
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/golfclap
21:48
I wanted to use Gradle to build Unity stuff. Guess I'm stuck with clicking buttons to start the build.
:'(
you were supposed to be encouraging me!
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Xeo
I will once you get the basic stuff behind you. Maybe.
@BartekBanachewicz Well, serializing this is not for noobs in the first place. He didn't ask a noob question. The best answer is the boost-serialization one (that I just made SSCCE). That's a link-dependency though
@BartekBanachewicz You Go Girl!
@sehe ..........
21:50
facepalm
@BartekBanachewicz Oh dear.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf please don't onebox gifs
@EtiennedeMartel notes as CM :3.
That reminds me, preferences for animated emoticons.
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1 message moved to bin
21:50
@CatPlusPlus I think it's there already
whats wrong with gifs
@CatPlusPlus animated avatars :)
For oneboxing.
@EiyrioüvonKauyf they are moving
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Xeo
They're annoying.
21:51
@EiyrioüvonKauyf they induce epileptic fits
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Nothing, they're just pussies.
@CatPlusPlus just add a comment to oneboxing images
@BartekBanachewicz Separate thing.
21:51
hi robot
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hi there!
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Yo Robot, finally finished with |>?
lol, no
Was out with friends.
btw what do you think of the baseline?
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@CatPlusPlus Quotes. Kinda like bookmarks here, but with selectable messages, not just a bulk from one message to another.
21:52
@R.MartinhoFernandes you should stay inside more.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I read that as "support support".
I might be playing LoL a tad too much.
@EtiennedeMartel file a ticket
or that :|
We went shopping at Tesco and I picked up a box of 2 choc. croissants. At the self-checkout, the till rejected my purchase and Anne had to call for an assistant to authorise the sale. At this point, I had to admit that the carton weight was wrong because I had already eaten the croissants:(
@ECHOcasts, Pandora
sup sup.
266 tweets, 108k followers, following 5 users
Did you play the Tiny Tina DLC?
21:53
@EtiennedeMartel it's too bad you don't play with me/us :/
Not yet. Currently going through the Hammerlock one.
@BartekBanachewicz I exclusively play with cool people.
@EtiennedeMartel that's what I'm saying fammit.
I completed all of Captain Scarlett's missions, almost all Torgue's, and now starting Hammerlock's.
@BartekBanachewicz This week I started jungling with Sejuani. So much fun.
lol that quote
ugh also our team was just randomly demoted. what the fuck.
Oh, right, you're ranked.
I'm not.
I just hit level 30.
I still don't have 16 champions.
I play against bots, cuz less douchebags, and i suck xD
@EtiennedeMartel I told you that before lvl 30 and after 30 5v5 premade ranked are two different games right?
21:59
@BartekBanachewicz Yes.
I hope it's still about fun.
Because otherwise I don't give a fuck.
Well, it is. But other things are more important than solo farming
Yesterday I had to play with someone who took the game too seriously.
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@BartekBanachewicz My friend tends to prefer 5v5 premade ARAM
21:59
@Xeo ARAM is "arcade" mode
Well we play mostly 3v3.

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