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12:05 AM
@Columbo Which fairy tales?
 
He's probably referring to stories about Mohammed, Jesus, etc.
given the previous rant about religion
 
I doubt Jesus ever justified rape
I also doubt that rape is justified in Bible
Correct me if I'm wrong
 
the comment said nothing about rape specifically
 
Okay, you're right
 
although, in the context of the previous conversation, I understand what you mean. The overall theme is that many people have justified heinous acts in the name of religion. Christianity is just as guilty there as any other religion or movement.
well, I'm out for a while. TTYL
 
12:15 AM
Byeo
 
12:34 AM
@Code-Apprentice Yeah, but topologically, it's the same shape. :-)
@EnnMichael Actually, it sort of is. The Bible says if two people who aren't married/engaged to anybody else have sex, that's basically the same as getting engaged, and they have to get married. For this case (neither one is married or engaged) it specifically does not make any mention of trying to figure out whether it was rape or not. If one of them was married/engaged, then you do attempt to figure out whether it was rape (if you can) and if so, only the rapist gets punished.
So, if a single guy rapes a single girl, shes' basically forced to marry him (and it's pretty explicit that she's expected to have sex with her husband--regardless of how little she may want to).
 
12:49 AM
This, of course, is all under the Old Testament rules that I doubt much of anybody follows any more, and most Christians (and probably even most Jews) really don't like/want to follow either. I also suspect the possibility of the non-marital sex being non-consensual simply wasn't taken into account (consensual sex between teenagers probably being the common case). At the time, saying a rape victim (even if only a married one) shouldn't be punished was probably pretty progressive.
 
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1:15 AM
@JerryCoffin Well, in theory, part of that was also to "compensate" the women. In those days society prevented women from doing a lot of things without a husband.
 
as it should be
 
@Lalaland Yeah, like I said, I think for its day it probably was quite progressive. It might also be that forcing a guy who raped a girl to stay with her for life could be a more effective punishment than many that are imposed today...
 
 
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2:44 AM
This Thai man bought what he thought was a tiny pot-bellied piglet. Look at it now. http://buff.ly/2p1UkqH https://t.co/4PUs9cdAaU
 
@Telkitty sorrry for making awake
 
3:43 AM
my new email addresses have not attracted any spammers ... or any email at all for that matter
 
if you're feeling lonely you could always post it somewhere public
 
there are associated with my android apps
or website
and ios apps
(logic, I haz nil today)
I have been having many emails sent to my old email addresses, some of them are quite interesting
Occasionally I get emails saying 'I am going to be at this conference/tech show, will you be there too?' from people I don't really know. I never reply, even though, thinking back I really should
I need to reply more
 
@JerryCoffin so it is a topogram?
 
4:36 AM
 
firefox automatically parses JSON & chrome only shows it as text file
 
@Telkitty who cares about Australia? :p Would be interesting to see similar stats for the US and other countries
 
5:00 AM
Mawning!
 
@Code-Apprentice Australian's do?
@Code-Apprentice yeah, til he runs into bureaucrats
tunnel meets earthquake zone ... ~brings out popcorn~
 
5:33 AM
Yeah. Lots of technical and political issues to resolve. I still think it is a fascinating idea.
 
US rocky & Canadian rocky are connected, so essentially a Canadian bear can walk over the boarder and become an alien bear in the U.S. and there is nothing Trump could do about it ...
 
Did you hear about all the reports of space aliens that were called in to Trumps new agency?
First hit when googling "space aliens"
🚨Report alien problems to VOICE!🚨 👽unwanted probing 👽livestock inversion 👽chest burrowing 👽feline consumption 👇🏼CA… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/857737095229714432
 
6:14 AM
I searched for alien & I found this, 99% less fur than alien bear
 
Hmm... Is there an indexing iterator into random access container? I need stable iterators into std::string.
 
What do you mean?
std::string iterators are invalidated when the string needs to reallocate, so as long as you don't do any ops that invalidates iterators you should be good.
 
std::string::at </trollololo>
 
Memory leaks on missiles don't matter, so long as the missile explodes before too much leaks. A 1995 memo:… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/858856994438094848
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6:33 AM
what if you write missiles navigation system - it's too slow in Java & leaks too much memory in C++?
 
> "This sparked an interesting memory for me"
That doesn't sound safe
 
7:10 AM
Guise, I've got a little C++ question for you
Ideally I'ld want to make some SFINAE + partial specialization combo... Which is not possible. However I'm OK with anything that have the desired behavior
 
@Rerito I want to see the problem but probably cannot help you
 
@Horttanainen Sure, I'm a little busy atm but I'll write it out in the other room
 
@Rerito Alright
 
7:37 AM
@Rerito again
 
what would be a descriptive name for this class: pastebin.com/QfTjXMFv
 
7:53 AM
very helfpul project :)
 
8:09 AM
@AnonymousEntity cyclic_pair<T>
@AnonymousEntity No idea why you don't just abstract to circular_array<T, size_t> though. Only benefits, standard iterator interfaces etc. Also, why hard code the pointer-ness? You can do cyclic_pair<T*> if you must.
 
@sehe you are right about the pointer-ness, I'm going to change that
but for my project I know I will only need two elements to switch between
so no need for abstraction
 
@RudiantoPrasetya Exactly. I was wondering if there were special iterators that would index the container/string with operator[].
@Telkitty You can probably write it in such way that it has preallocated fixed buffers and never allocates or frees.
 
8:47 AM
@sehe bicycle<T>
 
lol
 
Xeo
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@Puppy ^
 
@Xeo that reminds me of when we tried to play a game with @R.MartinhoFernandes as DM
 
9:07 AM
@jaggedSpire you are well informed
 
@Puppy How so?
 
@Xeo Whenever I play these games, people spend more time trying to find better stuff than trying to find quests.
 
@Morwenn Reminds me of my old WoW days
People seeking to farm the same instance all over again to farm some token
Instead of enjoying the "carefully crafted" dungeons
 
9:24 AM
@Puppy I question that :)
Sehe's Law: Never attribute to intellectual achievement what can explained by sheer coincidence
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@Rerito That's common in video games, but I thought people would be more chill in board games :p
 
Oh, they're chill. Just too short-sighted to notice what others find non-chill.
 
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10:12 AM
error[E0225]: only Send/Sync traits can be used as additional traits in a trait object
  --> src/source/call.rs:28:46
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28 |   pub calls: HashMap<String, Box<HasSchema + ECMAScript>>,
   |                                              ^^^^^^^^^^ non-Send/Sync additional trait
 
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user1804599
classic vtable pointer adjustment issue
 
@sehe Well, a monkey could've coincidentally typed out hundreds of answers in the Boost tag.
 
10:30 AM
are you jealous? :)
 
nwp
monkey bear
 
@login_not_failed I'm also the sole recipient of a gold tag badge, so there's nothing to be jealous of :-)
 
@Columbo not guilty! strikes the hammer
 
Although I certainly am jealous of @sehe being so versatile with different Boost libs, especially Spirit. :*
 
oh yes, taming Spirit is the dream for sure
 
nwp
10:35 AM
// Happy debugging, suckers
# define true (rand() > 10)
 
That's undefined
 
@nwp I've some people dealing with this via #undef to be 100% sure :D
 
Hmm. Seems to be a constraint violation, actually: eel.is/c++draft/library#macro.names-2
I recall that paragraph saying it was undefined. Maybe SG12 finally got some shit done?
 
Ven
Hi
 
nwp
10:40 AM
I thought #defineing keywords was UB, which makes the "Happy debugging, suckers" be even more on point.
 
tell it to Stroustrup who used #define vector Vector in his book for beginners :)
 
Ven
vector is not a keyword..?
 
it's a bad spirit nonetheless
 
all those beginners need is a good exorcism
 
nwp
he also inherits from vector to make operator[] behave like .at() in the tour
 
10:44 AM
but I've actually seen some #define returns somewhere, it was some ancient mammoth's crap
 
Ven
@nwp okay, that's insanely stupid. std::vector::~vector isn't virtual last I checked.
 
nwp
@Ven I told him that in an email, he answered he never had a problem with it
 
Ven
Bjarned.
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nwp
to be fair you don't necessarily need a virtual destructor to inherit from something, but it doesn't belong in a beginners' book
 
Ven
"then you just manually call your parent's dtor"
:nice:
"I like my code like I like my Bjarne, sparkly."
 
10:49 AM
hahaha, yea, right
 
10:59 AM
@LucDanton endorcism are the new hype
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Good luck, nyaa is gone. :D But what I'm watching:
LWA, SukaSuka, ZeroSho, Rokudenashi, Tsugumomo, BusouShoujo, Re:Creators, Alice to Zouroku
What is really standing out so far (ignoring LWA as it's a second cour): SukaSuka, ZeroSho, Re:Creators.
 
@Ven To be fair it's not a problem as long as you don't use it in a polymorphic context.
 
Ven
@Morwenn yeah but when it'll become an issue, ...
@Xeo use shanaproject
 
Xeo
I use magnet links, so eh
 
11:09 AM
@Ven I don't know, there's hardly ever any polymorphic context anywhere when I use C++ .____.
Only templates everywhere.
 
Ven
@Morwenn inheritance is a hell of a drug
 
@Ven I'm self-made whatever. Inheritance isn't where I got my money from :p
 
@Columbo lel
 
11:35 AM
@Morwenn lol
 
user1804599
11:48 AM
guys
 
user1804599
wat do
 
user1804599
@Ven inherit privately
 
nwp
@rightfold doesn't compose
 
user1804599
Your mom doesn't compose.
 
user1804599
If you want composition, you must not use C++.
 
Ven
11:57 AM
@rightfold fieldspar?
 
user1804599
:(
 
12:18 PM
why lol.. watching that shit is complete waste of time..
 
1:00 PM
@Morwenn :V same
 
@Morwenn I would do this also but I like it when IDE gives me code completion
 
@Horttanainen Haha, I use Code::Blocks so I don't get anything close to decent code completion anyway.
 
1:21 PM
@Morwenn You don't use vim or emacs?
My whole world views just collapsed
 
@Rerito I understand writing scripts with vim or emacs but not C++. Just thinking about it made my hands sweat
 
1:54 PM
@Rerito I'm too lazy to learn the keyboard shortcuts.
@Horttanainen To be honest, with appropriate plugins, both are probably way more suited than Code::Blocks to write C++.
 
@Morwenn Why not use Visual Studio?
 
@Horttanainen The installer crashed every time I tried to install the comunity edition.
 
:D
Software development is a rocky path
 
And I'm fine with a less-than-decent IDE anyway, as long as I don't have to write makefiles by myself (granted I still wrote a CMakeLists.txt).
Oh yeah, there's also the fact that I use MinGW.
 
I love Cmake
@Morwenn Do you refactor a lot?
 
2:05 PM
@Horttanainen Yes, by hand.
 
I love Mmm ... Cake
 
@Telkitty Much better :D
 
you hungry too? :p
 
@Telkitty No, I ate too much, and my current concerns is that I'm supposed to eat at my mom's house tonight + I'm supposed to go to the restaurant tomorrow.
Honestly, I wish I could skip the restaurant. I can manage not to eat too much at my mom's.
 
@Morwenn Loosen up your belt
 
2:08 PM
@Horttanainen No difference. I just can't eat that much. I don't like it.
Honestly, I feel better skipping meals than eating too much.
 
Fasting is good for cells
 
except fat cells pack on twice as much once fasting is done :p
 
I watched a documentary about this a week ago. Mice which were forced to fast couple of hours every day lived longer than mice which were allowed to eat whenever they wanted
I mean 5-6 hours when I talk about fasting.
 
were they allowed much space to exercise?
 
They did not mention it. I can look it up for you
@Telkitty Well I cannot find the paper and the documentary is in Finnish.
In fact I found too much papers.
 
2:25 PM
Learning Finnish is a good thing
Potentially the best language to express poorness of code.
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@JohanLarsson How so?
 
Just a feeling, I don't know enough Finnish.
It sounds powerful though.
 
Tämä koodi on aivan paskaa
 
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@Horttanainen this code is all shit?
 
2:27 PM
Woo, I did not cheat.
dunno what aivan means though
 
totally
 
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@JohanLarsson Sinun koodisi ei ole kirjoitettu Haskellissa. Voimme päätellä, että se on huono.
 
@rightfold Sinä et ole kirjoittanut koodiasi Haskellilla. Voimme päätellä, että koodisi on huonoa.
 
3:07 PM
I need to cheat on that one
> Haskellissa
 
@JohanLarsson It means the sentence is pure
 
3:47 PM
http://stackoverflow.com/q/43742133/583833
Is it me or is this formatting weird?
 
consistent
 
...ly bad
 
consistently weird yes :P
 
@Borgleader
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Q: Abolish the negative button

almartinezSo I'm not sure why is the downvote button in a forum, you can comment and upvote if something works, we have the flag if an user is extremly irrespectous but I don't really understand why do we have the negative button which people spam if they don't like question/answer, if you don't like it or...

@MartijnPieters it seems like who isn't understanding things is you, like my question for example — almartinez 9 hours ago
 
4:04 PM
lmao
 
4:26 PM
@Mysticial That reminds me: seems like there should be a contest soon for "when will Skeet hit 1 million dollars rep?"
For this special occasion, time stamps in the logs will be kept to the millisecond... :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Just imagine the amount of gaming that will be going on in those last seconds.
Tons of people with bots getting ready to serially upvote posts to meet their target.
Or serially downvote to delay.
 
@Mysticial I can see it now: "I've lost 900 rep on downvotes, but it was worth it to delay his hitting the mark for 17 seconds."
 
And people with sock puppet farms to red flag drop him 100 at a time.
 
...and all for the prize of: "we will mention your user name in our next pod cast that nobody listens to."
 
along with a mention of being banned for a year due to using 14 sock puppet accounts to red flag his posts and drop him 1700 rep and then realizing the overcompensation followed by a string of serial upvotes in the last 10 seconds to hit his target.
 
4:35 PM
@Mysticial But being banned for a year contributes to the "bad boy" image, so it helps when you're hitting on women in bars. Well, at least it gives you more motivation to go to a bar instead of wasting your youth online.
 
@JerryCoffin lol
@Xeo What happened to nyaa?
 
Xeo
rip
 
Did it just happen last night?
 
Xeo
ye
 
HS is also down, but they're supposed to be coming back up in a few hours.
Is HS and nyaa related in some way?
If TT goes down as well, then I'm not I'm gonna have too many places left.
And they go down a lot.
 
4:52 PM
@Mysticial Aren't most animes targeted at twelve year olds
Why don't you watch Friends
 
Xeo
@Mysticial no it's not?
 
@Xeo I can't check right now. But there was another article that was saying that both HS and nyaa were down. And HS's twitter feed confirmed it. Maybe that was more than a few hours ago.
 
Xeo
it's up now anyways
 
The only such site who's uptime I care about is burning series.
Ýour show may even be on there, but it's all in German, so
 
@Columbo Most of the Anime (or cartoons) that the west is exposed to randomly on TV or commercials are indeed targeted to 12 year olds - which is probably where you get that impression. The ones we (and most of the fanbase) watch tend to be Japan only at first and are aimed more at adults. The amount of violence, profanity, and nudity is not suitable for children. Later on, some of those will get dubbed and show up in Adult Swim, but that's rare.
 
5:01 PM
@Mysticial Yeah, I watched pretty much all 500+ One Piece episodes, and that's pretty childish at times... while there is also excessive violence.
I kinda lost interest in the series currently, the shit is just too corny at times
 
@Columbo I haven't seen One Piece, but I've heard similar things.
 
@Mysticial Bwahahahahaha
 
And even for the shows that technically don't have any "rated R" content, the topics that they cover are definitely not something you'd expect a 12 year old to understand. Examples being Steins Gate and Madoka.
Granted, most of the shows that air nowadays are trashy comedies which don't have much plot or content - but nevertheless enjoyable. (ahem Konosuba)
 
 
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6:42 PM
5 instructions / cycle
 
You forgot the AMD Hype™ instruction
Honestly, the guy's analysis is completely wrong because it doesn't reflect real world performance, which is kinda weird because his site is pretty good.
Ryzen looses on performance, but might win on cost per performance. But even that is questionable as most adults would pay the extra $100. And for MPI, etc, you really gotta get the performance up there, as things like the NIC cost more than the chips.
 
@Mikhail More than $100. You need to fork out an additional $500 to get Intel's equivalent - unless you're in HPC. And MPI is HPC, not "real world performance".
Or purely single-threaded apps.
We'll see what happens with the 16 and 32-core Ryzens.
 
evening inferior beings
 
@Mysticial Because we already know whats going to happen with Intel :-)
 
@Mikhail I can't neither confirm nor deny what's going to happen to Intel. :)
 
6:57 PM
I also can't buy stock, because that would be "insider trading"
I also can't buy stock because I make like $20k a year
 
@Mikhail Agner doesn't give a crap about any particular person's idea of what happens in the real world. Nearly everybody who cares about optimization depends on his documents to tell them how to optimize for every CPU around. His interest is mostly in seeing every CPU used to its fullest, not in seeing one do better than another.
 
nwp
@Mysticial I can. I hereby confirm and deny everything that will happen to intel.
 
@JerryCoffin Well Mr. Coffin, he fucking wrote a fucking blog fucking post that is fucking wrong.
But yes, I really liked the guides
 
@Mysticial I doubt that much will happen to Intel. AMD being competitive again is great--but even if it was a clear win in every possible technical respect, I doubt they have the fab capacity available to take over most of Intel's market share.
 
@Mikhail I don't see how it's wrong. He never mentioned a thing about "real world performance".
For that matter, I'll say that Ryzen is doing pretty good at "real world" performance. It doesn't beat Intel, but it's certainly competitive.
 
7:03 PM
@Mikhail You may think that the natural conclusion to be drawn from his statements is false, but I challenge you to point to one thing he said that's actually false.
 
Exactly, it doesn't beat Intel but he writes stuff that says it does: The gain in total performance that you get from running two threads per core is much higher in the Ryzen than in Intel processors because of the higher throughput of the AMD core
 
that does not say that it beats Intel
 
That doesn't say shit.
 
it says that it beats Intel in one specific aspect of one specific situation
 
I can also neither confirm nor deny that statement since I've haven't run a benchmark to test that specific scenario.
 
7:05 PM
@Mikhail That says Hyperthreading doesn't give as large a difference in performance as AMD's equivalent. It doesn't say a single word about which one is actually faster overall for any particular load.
 
running two threads per core
This is a kind of load
 
user1804599
 
@Mikhail That's not a kind of load, and it says precisely nothing about overall speed. I could write something on an FPGA that showed a 10:1 improvement by running lots of threads per core. That's clearly a much larger ratio than you can even hope for from Hyptethreading--but I'd need a lot of luck to even get it to run at 100 MHz, so it'd still lose (badly) in overall speed.
 
@JerryCoffin You're right on the second part :-)
 
Agner's complaint about the variable clock frequency probably means he didn't have OC access to the machine to lock down the frequency.
 
7:10 PM
Also the only time I've ever seen a walltime performance regression was with ±FMA4 instructions on GCC, so I think there might have been a business case to drop it.
 
@Mikhail Performance regression vs. what?
 
@Mysticial Enabling and disabling the instructions (±)
 
I've noticed that MSVC doesn't compile FMA4 very well. It uses the same logic as FMA3 and it doesn't try to eliminate reg-reg moves.
@Mikhail What about with FMA3?
 
user1804599
@Horttanainen :'(
 
@Mysticial Yeah, FMA3 helped. The issue was that somebody said "you guys should spend a ton of money because FMA4 will make your code faster"...
 
7:14 PM
What processor were you testing on? Piledriver? Steamroller? There aren't too many out there that can run both FMA3 and FMA4.
Ryzen can, but not officially.
 
It was a comparison between Bulldozer and Piledriver
I think this was 2013
 
So FMA4 hurt performance on Bulldozer while FMA3 helped on Piledriver?
 
There was no speed improvement by going to Piledriver, at all for the same clocks. I think like a 4% regression
 
Wait, so where does the FMA3/FMA4 comparison come to play here?
 
On piledriver FMA3 ran faster, and FMA4 sucked
 
7:20 PM
So Piledriver ran faster with FMA3 than FMA4?
 
Yeah
 
interesting, I haven't noticed that
 
It as a holistic benchmark, I just measured walltimes with different flags
 
My flops benchmark doesn't show it. The other only difference I can think of is the instruction length.
 
I was told "the compiler sucks", and we're probably going to drop AMD
 
7:29 PM
I don't know why, but I've become super excited to change a lightbulb.
 
7:42 PM
Mmmm....having lunch from the company cafeteria today. They called it Chicken Cacciatore, but it's quite different from most Cacciatore I've had--a nice level of spiciness, so it tastes fairly mild when it's in your mouth, but then your mouth is burning a bit after you've swallowed it.
 
7:54 PM
@Mysticial Yes, at least as I recall, your flops benchmark showed a small but consistent improvement using FMA4 on my Steamroller. I'm tempted to find my old Piledriver and test with it (if I ever benched FMA 3/4 on it, I don't remember the results).
At the moment, I should probably concentrate on other things though, such as figuring out whether (and if so how) I can get redox to pass a zrangebyscore foo start stop withscores through to Redis.
...or do I have to deal with RESP directly to do that.
 
hmm
if I have a broken bulb, is it definitely safe to turn the light on regardless of how badly damaged it is?
 
@Puppy I don't think so. I believe the purpose of the bulb is to keep out oxygen? from reacting with the bulb components.
 
definitely broke that
problem is that all of the Internet's recommendations involve tools I don't have
and especially safety goggles which I don't possess
 
@Puppy what type of bulb?
 
gu10
 
8:08 PM
CFL, LED, etc?
 
no idea
halogen, I think
 
@Puppy It's generally safe, but usually won't accomplish much (if anything). An incandescent bulb will burn out quickly with oxygen in the bulb. A fluorescent won't produce visible light without the fluorescent gas that was originally in the bulb.
 
@Puppy if you see sparks or flame, turn off the power
 
@JerryCoffin It's a strip light, and I just finished replacing the other two bulbs
 
CFL bulbs have mercury in them. Not much - but not zero.
I've broken one of them before and spent a good hour airing out the room.
 
8:11 PM
@Puppy Halogen normally contains inert gas (halogen) under pressure. If memory serves, that's the increase the density so it transmits the heat to the bulb more effectively. Without it, the filament will burn out very quickly.
 
twas already broken
 
@Puppy Yeah--if the filament's broken, turning on the switch wan't make any difference. If the filament's intact and just the glass is broken...well, you could turn it on, but the filament won't last long at all.
 
I'm more concerned about "Will it set my flat on fire"
in terms of actual functionality, I've got the other two bulbs for that
 
@Puppy Almost no chance of it causing a problem. I suppose (in theory) the pieces of metal that normally hold the filament could get bent so they form a short circuit, which would lead to problems--but I've never heard of it actually happening. If your flat burns down, it's more likely because it was hit by lightning just as you turned on the switch...
 
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@Mysticial, you seen Agner's description of Ryzen µarch?
 
8:17 PM
2 hours ago, by Mysticial
@Mikhail Ryzen #'s http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=838
 
user784668
@Mysticial I couldn't've seen that, I was sleeping back then!
 
Agner Fog is gonna have a fun time with Skylake Purley once that comes out.
Oops... did I say too much? :P
 
user784668
@Mysticial I'd say you didn't say quite enough.
 
alright fuck it
I like my new 350 lumen white LEDs too much to not turn it on
seems functional
 
user784668
@Mysticial If I were building a new machine right now, do you think it'd be worth it to use Ryzen instead of Intel?
 
8:24 PM
Depends on what you're doing with it and your price point.
 
@Puppy Sounds nice.
 
user784668
Oh, nice.
 
@JerryCoffin The original halogens burned out two and a half years ago. My parents made a big deal about how much of a pain it is to replace the recessed lightbulbs so I never fixed it.
 
user784668
Looks like AMD are still AMD: "Read-modify and read-modify-write instructions are not split into multiple μops".
 
now I'm experiencing the joys of having lights in an important part of my flat
 
user784668
8:31 PM
Won't stop morons on SO and HN and proggit and other places from claiming that x86 is a RISC under the hood, though.
 
helllo
@Mysticial psst how much do you know about compilers
 
user784668
Even though AMD literally never split memory accesses into separate µops.
 
@VermillionAzure Is that a pokemon? What generation are we on now? 42?
 
@JerryCoffin dang, I've got something to aim to do better than :\ 45k transistors
 
user784668
@VermillionAzure He knows compilers exist and that they generate worse code than himself.
 
8:33 PM
I'm asking because i'm wondering if anybody here knows about CPS/SSA/ANF
 
I need to learn all 3 apparently
 
...
never mind
 
@thecoshman A little more conventional one: youtube.com/watch?v=GXRp7zmWwN8
 
@VermillionAzure That's way too broad of a question. I'm only familiar with the second one.
 
user784668
"Moves with 256-bit ymm registers have a latency of one clock cycle, because the register is split into two 128-bit parts, where only the lower part is renamed while the upper part uses an execution unit for the move."
 
user784668
8:37 PM
lol
 
@JerryCoffin but now I don't know if the idea of making something like that as a educational sort of thing isn't such a terrible idea...
 
@Fanael Nothing will stop morons from being morons.
@thecoshman That has enough negatives in it that I'm not sure what it's trying to say.
 
user784668
@JerryCoffin Oh, but you're certainly wrong! There are many things that will stop morons from being, errr, anything.
 
@Fanael then tend to believe that until you link them the chapter from the intel optimization manual about macro op fusion
 
@JerryCoffin maybe scoping it as something that can be used as an educational tool is a good idea... might help keep the scope of such a thing under control
That said, maybe just trying to get the world record is good enough :D
 
user784668
8:45 PM
@Mgetz Or show them an AMD CPU, where, for instance, "add [rax + rsi*8 + 32], rdi" is a single µop.
 
@Fanael I wish there was an intrinsic that would let you make lea explicit.
 
@Puppy projector?
 
no
 
user784668
@Mysticial asm("lea whatever, %0" : "=r"(output) : some inputs)?
 
@Fanael so intel under the right circumstances will fuse mov eax, [mem]; add eax, (op)
 
user784668
8:47 PM
@Mgetz I know.
 
@Fanael But for memory operands.
 
user784668
@Mysticial What do you mean?
 
@Fanael I've mentioned in here before. But I'm too lazy to find it. One of the common problems I run into is register pressure on GPRs. So if I have a loop with a 20+ streams, I'll need 20 pointers. Putting aside the issue of needing to increment all of them each iteration, I can't fit 20 pointers into GPRs. So I use indirect memory addressing to collapse them.
But the compiler's CSE undos all that collapsing and generates that the original pointers and then spills them.
 
@thecoshman I think his is the largest only by courtesy of careful wording. A CDC 6600 had (around) 400,000 discrete transistors (and if memory serves, the 7600 still used discrete transistors as well--I don't know exactly how many, but probably more than the 6600 did).
 
@JerryCoffin I think it's that many in the actual cpu part, so ram excluded... I'm not sure
I guess GWR don't retroactively award such things
 
user784668
8:53 PM
@Mysticial I still don't see what you'd need a lea intrinsic for.
 
@thecoshman The 400,000 count is only for processing (it used magnetic cores for its memory).
 
but I guess if I want to go for that, I'm going to have to really plan shit out, and maybe go 32 bit XD
@JerryCoffin o_0
 
@Fanael Suppose I have 24 streams with 24 pointers. That won't fit into 16 registers. But I can abuse lea/indirect addressing to reduce that down to 12.
Aug 8 '16 at 22:11, by Mysticial
Each set of 8 pointers is folded into 4 registers as follows:
T0 = T0
T1 = T0 + 1*stride
T2 = T0 + 2*stride
T3 = T7 - 4*stride
T4 = T0 + 4*stride
T5 = T7 - 2*stride
T6 = T7 - 1*stride
T7 = T7

But since you can't `lea` with a subtraction, you need to split the stride variable into positive and negative versions.
Assuming each set of 8 streams are equally spaced out in a strided pattern.
 
user784668
@Mysticial If CSE is a problem, couldn't you just trick the compiler into believing that the pertinent expressions have absolutely nothing in common by some well-placed asm("" : "+g"(foo))?
 
But if I actually write that in C/C++, the compiler undos it using CSE back to the original set of pointers and spills half of them.
 
nwp
8:56 PM
done with Blood+ and Claymore
 
@Fanael I ended up doing something similar to that which worked to some extent - but with limitations.
 
nwp
time efficiently wasted
 
user784668
@Mysticial oic
 
anyways, got a meeting.
 
@thecoshman Keep in mind: the CDC 6600 was (by quite a wide margin) the fastest computer in the world when it was new. It was Seymour Cray's first masterpiece (so to speak) and pretty much set up his career of taking the basics of that design, and building it bigger smaller and faster.
 
8:56 PM
@JerryCoffin maybe they are considering it the largest 'computer;, not other type of computer, like super or what not
 
@thecoshman From what it said, largest model of a microcomputer (or something like that). Conveniently ignoring the fact that the defining characteristic of a microcomputer was originally that it was on one chip.
 
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