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12:07 AM
also its fucking bullshit how std::string::npos returns (-1) - aka std::string::npos- when nothing is found, despite std::string::npos being a unsigned size_t
 
that's -1 modulo std::numeric_limits<std::string::size_type>::max()+1
IOW just std::numeric_limits<std::string::size_type>::max()
 
Yeah, but the behavior is specified as returning a negative number, even through the data type can't be negative...
 
12:22 AM
@Mikhail it is not specified to return negative number, it is specified to return unsinged integer which cannot be negative no matter what you do.
If you are getting -1 you are doing it wrong.
 
I'm doing everything right but I think the reference might be old
 
@DiegoPereira I wish I could properly convey the glory of today’s patch. it’s utter and complete necromancer annihilation
 
@Mikhail It returns -1, converted to some unsigned type, which will yield the largest possible value of that type. I'm not sure it's a great choice, but the specification seems clear and unambiguous.
 
Although the definition uses -1, size_type is an unsigned integer type, and the value of npos is the largest positive value it can hold, due to signed-to-unsigned implicit conversion. This is a portable way to specify the largest value of any unsigned type.
or in MSVC 2015 xstring.h, 2293 (typename basic_string<_Elem, _Traits, _Alloc>::size_type)(-1);
bitches be casting
 
12:38 AM
@Mikhail Lots of fishing happening. They're casting and you're trolling. (SCNR)
 
harvest fished trolls ...
 
12:56 AM
@Mikhail sigh
 
sigh_t
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@Mysticial what about "don't use sscanf" (it is weird that that trips it even though this is fine...)
Heh. My twitter mentions blew up. I figured I must have angered some brand of political bigot (again). Turns out it was people arguing about decltype(NULL) :|
It was really yawn-worthy. I mean, NULL is implementation defined. Case closed. Don't use it IMO.
 
1:54 AM
@sehe ...and it's always a macro, so once it's expanded, you just end up with decltype(0) or decltype(0L) or something on that order, so after expansion the result is excruciatingly obvious.
 
@JerryCoffin well, clearly it wasn't on some compilers. And yes. I'd say "don't use macros", "steer clear from implementation dependent behaviours"
 
0ull
 
@sehe NULL wasn't defined as a macro? I don't even want to know about a compiler so far from conforming that it gets this wrong. Back in the days of Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 and Turbo C++ 2.0, getting NULL correct might have been mildly interesting, but for anything less than a couple of decades old, getting this right should be easy to take for granted.
 
is there more resistance for an electrical current going up the wire than one that's going down a wire? ... I mean electrons have weight right?
 
@JerryCoffin Is NULL defined to as a macro? Or is it defined to be defined as a macro? Or is this part of the defining feature of C++ which is to define as few things as possible unless it's named "un-defined behavior".
 
2:03 AM
@Mysticial Undefined behavior is defined as NULL not being a macro.
 
@JerryCoffin It may be a macro, but it could be defined as anything, as long as it's functionally equivalent to null pointer (eel.is/c++draft/diff.null#:definition_of_NULL)
@Telkitty They also have charge. Moon has weight too.
 
@sehe It's actually much more restricted than that. It has to be a "null pointer constant", which is defined as: "an integer literal (5.13.2) with value zero or a prvalue of type std::nullptr_t." So, it can be 0, 0L, 0LL, 0U, 0UL, 0ULL, or '\0', but not much of anything else. In C it can also be ((void *)0), or a constant expression like 5 * 0 or 7-7, but in C++ those aren't allowed.
There is some room for argument that (perhaps) a user-defined literal that yields 0 might qualify as well. Quite a few parts of the standard haven't really distinguished between "normal" and user-defined literals, even in cases where a UDL would have to be constexpr to have any hope of working.
 
2:27 AM
@sehe thus, moon has gravity, yes
 
electrons bounce around a lot, and hit things slowing them down
 
2:50 AM
The fun thing is when ohm's law was experimentally observed by ohm it was fiercely criticized as a "web of naked falsies". The contemporary theory held that the kind of collisions would have resistance increase super-linearly, as opposed to linearly with length.
 
3:01 AM
China's space lab will soon crash to Earth. No one knows where it will hit.
assuring ...
 
3:12 AM
@Xeo What's your list for this season?
 
the resistance of a conductor correlates inversely to its cross sectional area
@Mikhail ^ more area to move, less collision
high school physics
 
3:31 AM
@Mysticial myanimelist.net/anime/579/Battle_Programmer_Shirase You should watch this can tell me how it is...
 
3:56 AM
hi all
 
@Mysticial nah, if you raise them for everybody, then you have to find a way to not make people with low income out of business. When you think about it, the amount they might get from Google might be more than Joe Bin will ever earn his whole life.
Anyway, sounds more like tax collector are getting greedy and want to find way suck milk from the big cow more than they initially planned/promised.
Imagine, they raises the taxes and then google says "well so long and thanks for the fish"
 
4:20 AM
@LucDanton In which sense...? This is too ambiguous
 
4:31 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Then they can raise it for all the big companies. If they want to antagonize Google, they can do enough of those "Google Taxes" to put Google into the brink of simply pulling out the market. And leave it there to milk the company.
 
no company should be targeted, but governments need to stop multi-national companies tax minimization
 
4:51 AM
@Telkitty It's not immediately obvious that they need to do any such thing. From the country's perspective, it might be worth foregoing direct tax on the corporation itself, in order to get them to employ thousands of their local tax-payers, who will now pay tax on their income, instead of (for example) collecting dole because they're out of work.
 
multi-national shifting taxes so they end up paying maybe only 20%-30% of the tax other local companies are paying
this is not fair for local companies
companies shift physical offices due to the cost of labour, they locate their headquarter for accounting purposes elsewhere
 
5:13 AM
@Telkitty "Fair" isn't a particularly meaningful or useful concept as a rule. Chances are pretty good that they actually benefit, because there are more customers with more money. A multinational building an office in a location tends to collect a lot of money from a wide area, and disperse a disproportionate share of it in the immediate area of the office, and some of that almost inevitably ends up being spent on the local business.
 
local company spend on purchasing locally too
 
The losers are residents and businesses in other localities, who pay money to the multinational for its goods/services, but get a relatively small share of that money back.
@Telkitty Of course--and, in fact, they frequently buy from the multinational. If the multinational paid higher taxes, they'd pay higher prices to compensate.
 
I wonder google employs more people in India than the US
I can't find stats ... but pretty sure they have large centers in India
 
user406009
5:30 AM
@Telkitty Gravity is very weak to any sort of other force.
 
if it's not for gravity, we could all fly like the birds
 
morning loungers
 
user406009
Good morning.
 
@Telkitty If not for gravity, we'd all die from lack of anything to breathe. Some might also consider the lack of sunlight a bit of a problem.
 
user406009
@Telkitty Without the electromagnetic and strong force, we would simply fall apart as complex structures.
 
6:37 AM
@JerryCoffin what about astronauts?
 
6:57 AM
they carry oxygen tanks and still getting sunlight, albeit from somewhere other than earth?
 
Xeo
7:15 AM
@Mysticial So far, not a whole lot. Gonna continue with Apocrypha, and started watching Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryouku which is comfy SoL in a post-apocalyptic world, about 2 girls and their journey on their Kettenkrad
 
> Herb Sutter once denied an application through the eye with a dirty butter knife
 
Xeo
8:05 AM
> ASCIIlluminati
lol
 
8:24 AM
`You have to implement compile-time C++ compiler via template metaprogramming.`
Challenge accepted?
I fail at this formatting thing.
 
Ven
@Nican No markdown in multiline messages
you've been here for so many years, you should know about that :P
 
Goes back to lurking, and checking this chat room every few days
 
9:25 AM
err ... such a burden to keep own mail server ...
why errors getting mails so very often ...
 
@Telkitty Your MTA can get to blacklists, etc., if it is not well configured.
 
My service provider set the mail server up for me
but I have been have heaps of issues
I might have to study MTA at some point ...
 
I stopped caring to maintain email servers. There are no good personal solutions.
 
10:25 AM
I believe that was fixed.
*test*
guess not
 
Ven
(:
 
10:46 AM
I couldn't get my optimized tight_pair<unsigned, unsigned> comparison to crush that of std::pair<unsigned, unsigned>
On the other hand, the results of the benchmarks didn't seem to make much sense between runs, so there's that
I'll have to fix my benchmarks
 
11:45 AM
Overload editorials always start with how much the author has no idea what to write about in an editorial
 
11:56 AM
@DiegoPereira Scourge mechanics were buggy enough to make the spec look like it had good DPS. (specifically it could output up to 4× times the intended amount of conditions.) that’s now been fixed, so players are back to wondering what’s the whole point of playing necromancer
 
@Morwenn Editorial overload!
@Morwenn Boost has compressed_pair<>
 
@sehe But mine is better D:
Ok, to be honest I don't pass the Boost.CompressedPair testsuite
Most notably because I don't let it be constructed from a single parameter
 
@Morwenn s/better//better suited to my niche use case/
 
And because the Boost one apparently handles arrays (and supposedly unions) better
@ratchetfreak I don't have an application x)
 
> flat eartherism
the belief in the existence of advocates of a flat Earth
 
12:05 PM
@Morwenn meh fuck unions
 
@Puppy That's pretty much why I didn't go out of my way to test them
 
12:37 PM
Eh, GCC devs already have a patch for the codegen issue I opened yesterday and are trying to improve it even more ^^
 
Ven
1:04 PM
:O
 
Actually they already had a patch
 
1:21 PM
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Q: Lambda Captures

bolovI always get confused by the lambda capture and I don't know if a variable is captured by reference or by value. For instance if I have [a] I don't know if a is captured by value or by ref. I think a simple way to get it would be by examples. So let's have one for each of the cases (more if ther...

 
2:05 PM
@LucDanton I see :(
 
2:40 PM
@DiegoPereira necros are not worth shedding a tear over, play holosmith!
 
 
1 hour later…
3:46 PM
@Xeo I watched eps 1+2 for: Code Realize, Dies Irae, Just Because, Juuni Taisen, Love Live 2, Net-juu no Susume, Ousama Game and a few others. But those are the ones I'm gonna continue into at least another couple episodes.
Ousame Game is really fucked up. But really good voice acting from Yui Horie. It's been a while since I've seen a show where she uses both her voices.
 
Xeo
I wanted to watch Dies (I read the VN), but ugh what people are saying about the first episode...
 
That show's a "meh" for me right now as of ep2. I'll give it one more.
 
black clover is disappointing though
feels very much like a budget naruto
 
Maybe I'm not picking up on all the German references.
 
Xeo
Dies is super good as a VN, but I guess the anime adaptation isn't doing very well
It's not really the German (the Nazi setting is really just a background)
 
3:55 PM
maybe it's because it's episode 0 so the entire first episode is really just set dressing
 
Oh, that's the show with the ep0.
yeah, at least get into ep1 before you drop it.
 
and EVIL OR LIVE continues the Haoliners tradition of bad anime coupled with a good ED song
 
@ratchetfreak Somehow that wasn't on my download list. I guess I'll take a look at ep1 tonight.
 
tl;dr it's a prison school
 
Like Deadman Wonderland?
 
4:06 PM
no idea what that is
 
4:59 PM
@Feeds wth, didnt read the rules? you should know better by now
 
nwp
> clang: error: unable to execute command: Segmentation fault
I think that's the first time that happened to me with clang.
 
nwp
gcc says "fatal error: template instantiation depth exceeds maximum of 900 (use -ftemplate-depth= to increase the maximum)"
 
Ven
oh yeah. Clang's manual says "if you actually go deep in templates, no telling what might happen"
 
still better than parameters packs in MSVC
 
5:07 PM
@Ven that must be the source of this year’s numerous hurricanes
 
Just got bit by most vexing parse >.>
That thing has a pretty accurate name
 
nwp
You are not using braces to initialize objects?
 
Not always
 
@Borgleader I think this comment would make a better question title:
INSTEAD OF ADD DOWNVOTES ADD AN ANSWER AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM!! — Ilnumerouno 48 mins ago
 
ANGERY
 
5:26 PM
My benchmark results still don't make sense ç_ç
 
5:40 PM
Benchmarks of what?
 
Sorting a regular std::pair vs. sorting my pair with supposedly optimized comparisons
 
Sounds like there's gonna be a gazillion different factors involved.
 
Yup, I'll probably just sell the generated assembly in my README and skip the actual tests then x)
 
nwp
Just measure until the results show what you want. That's how the pr0s do it.
 
I don't like doing that ^^'
This disassembly basically shows the difference between the two comparison methods
 
5:50 PM
Yeah, that's too branchy.
 
I would expect the second to always be faster
But my benchmarks randomly give either one faster than the other
So I'll blame it on the benchmarks x)
 
What does the calling code look like?
Are the two pairs aligned to 8 bytes?
Does the caller write to the pairs elementwise as 32-bit integers?
 
The calling... well, it's regular sorting algorithm calls
 
Failing either of those conditions (especially that 2nd one) will easily make the second version slower if the branches in the first version are all predicted correctly.
 
I can't tell about the first one
And I'm not sure I actually understand the last questions
 
5:58 PM
If you write to a memory location using smaller writes and immediately (within the OOO window) read from both of them using a larger read, then it stalls.
So if you write the pair as two separate 4-byte stores. Then the compare tries to read them together as a single 8-byte load, then it stalls.
 
In a sorting algorithm the two pair elements are always moved both at the same time, so they're probably just memcpied when it's a pair of integers
I should check that
 
With only a few exceptions, anytime a load overlaps with a preceding store, but doesn't perfectly coincide it, is going to stall.
 
nwp
I don't understand this benchmarking tool. I get that clang-3.8 produces the same assembler code which makes the benchmark moot and that my volatile hack is probably bad, but why does it outperform the noop benchmark?
 
Outperform? Looks the same for me.
 
nwp
You have to click the Show Noop bar checkmark to get the noop bar.
 
6:10 PM
@Morwenn This store-forwarding stall thing is quite an annoying problem for vectorizers - especially for small loops of BB vectorization.
If you see a small loop that's trivially vectorizable, doing so can easily backfire if the data was previously written as scalars within the OOE window (easily 200+ cycles).
 
Eh, I don't thing I understand enough of what happens to actually understand whether I run into that
It looks like my operator= implementation for copy and move assignment might trigger separate copies of the elements though
 
Basically, a store (internally) takes 20+ cycles before it makes it to the L1 cache. But a store-to-load latency is only like 5 cycles. That's because the MMU tries to match loads with preceding stores. And if anything matches, it forwards the pending store to the load so the load finishes quicker.
But in the pathological case of load/store pairs of different sizes or are partially overlapping, this forwarding logic completely falls apart. Given that it's relatively rare, the designers simply don't do the forwarding and stall the load until it round-trips to L1.
 
Yup, I changed the operator= implementation and it generates half the assembly it used to
 
This has improved a bit in recent generations. If a load is "fully contained" inside a single previous store, then the forwarding still works (with a small penalty to do the realignment). But there's still no way for the LSU to combine multiple stores together so that it can be forwarded to a larger load.
So vectorizers are still fucked.
 
Nah, my implementation probably had too much layers upon layers
The way I wrote it, I'm not sure that the vectorizer could do anything really ^^'
I'll retry the benchmarks with that, thanks for the insight :)
 
6:19 PM
@Morwenn In way you were doing the vectorizing by treating a pair of 32-bit integers as a single 64-bit one.
 
But only during the comparison
 
Hypothetically, if you were stalling on every single compare, it'd add about 10-15 cycles to each of them.
The compare itself shouldn't really be taking more than like 2 cycles.
 
I don't think it stalled on every compare, but they it might have on a fair number of them
 
6:44 PM
> non-static reference member can't use default assignment operator
Well, fuck you too
 
don't use reference members
 
I'm writing a generic library, m'kay? D:
Better: when given std::reference_wrapper<T>, it stores T& instead
 
6:56 PM
Hum, the operator= optimization doesn't seem to change the benchmarks much :/
Anyway, I'm getting a headache, I'll leave for now
 
lolwtf:
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Q: Dear SO user, please stop with this "emphasis mine"

YSCTo my dear co-users, when you quote the standard of a language, we know1 the emphasis is yours, added to pinpoint the few words replying to the question. No need to make it explicit. 1) emphasis mine Exemple Question What is Stack Overflow? Answer According to Stack Overflow's about pa...

 
@Mysticial lmao
 
7:57 PM
> warning: rewriting hashes […]; cross fingers
ok ._.
 
8:12 PM
@StackedCrooked How long do the stuff on coliru last? I just wrote an answer that has a hard dependency on it. lol
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Q: c++ array access performance for different int size

wrealconI have following issue: save time to std::array for int8, int16, int32 and int64 is doubling with each bit-width increase. I can understand such behavior for 8-bit CPU, but not 32/64-bit. Can anyone give me a hint why 32-bit system needs 4 times more time to save 32 bit value than to save 8 bit v...

I also had your use coliru as the benchmark framework itself since the internet at work is firewalled off from the internal network where I can compile stuff.
 
8:46 PM
@nwp feelings aside, it's a pretty simple example, but yes, I do believe that proper attribution implies that one will say to the reader that emphasis somewhere in the quote is from them, or part of the original text by not saying anything
 
nwp
I guess if you followed that convention for long enough it becomes natural.
 
Ok, I might have found a way to crush std::pair with my tight_pair in the benchmarks x)
 
really, it seems you miss the point though, I don't really care about that example, and if you really believe it's about my feelings you look the finger of the one who points the moon
 
nwp
I didn't mean to annoy you by the way. I really do seem to have different feelings about that topic than other people.
 
8:48 PM
Changing a pair of unsigned int by a pair of unsigned short made the trick, hehe
 
nwp
Or ... apparently I'm just missing the point.
 
that's a shared thing, I don't want to annoy you, but my general intent is not about me being hurt by you misquoting something, it's about the something like respect for the reader?
 
@Morwenn MSVC has an infamous problem with auto-vectorizing shorts, fyi
 
@Mikhail Good thing I don't use it
 
@nwp maybe I do, who knows.
 
nwp
8:49 PM
I did get that the completely inappropriate example was just an example and it would only matter for actual real quotes that mean something.
 
@Mikhail What's wrong with vectorizing shorts?
 
@Mysticial Doesn't do it very well, or at all. Literally the only time I've had to break out the `old intrinsics. Scientific camera are typically 12/16 bit...
 
ok. then yeah, I guess you understand what I mean. maybe we just disagree
 
nwp
But, say, quoting the C++ standard and adding boldness to it to emphasize a point seems reasonable and I'm having trouble seeing who is getting hurt there.
 
@Mikhail Can't say I've ever seen it since I usually manually vectorize and I rarely use word sizes smaller than int32. And when I do, it's on bytes for strings.
 
nwp
8:51 PM
I do remember having that conversation before though, I think on meta. I should try to find it.
 
I wonder if it has something to do with the integer promotion of intermediates to int.
 
I wouldn't be surprised
 
@Morwenn Also my dream was to have things like llvm's small vector where the underlying container element count would be something like a short. Reminds how some people claimed Java script 32bit was faster than 64bit due to pointer sizes. Also the brief, 32 bit pointer but all x64 feature linux target.
 
@nwp I think "mislead" would be more appropriate, and say, for a complete c++ beginner like me, it's possible if I were to read a quote from some source of authority, I'd just assume the writer of the book find it really important that I understand a specific part, whereas it was originally just a smaller part of a bigger scheme
I'll agree this is a somewhat small impact on anybody's life
that being said... omg beer o'clock is just about the corner. thanks for the discussion o/
 
nwp
Apparently it was here.
 
9:02 PM
Ok, I've got nice results
Next step... matplotlib
 
@NicolBolas thank you for carrying the torch — sehe 25 secs ago
 
nwp
9:30 PM
Today I learned that std::cout << '\n'; prints "\r\n" into the console on linux. I thought only windows did that.
 
I don't think it does
 
For what it's worth, a large number of idownvotedbecau.se comments get flagged as rude/abusive (often by the original poster) and deleted by moderators. Clearly people do not find these to be useful or helpful, suggesting that many of the people who complain about downvotes aren't really looking for an explanation. (cc @EJoshuaS) — Cody Gray ♦ Oct 8 at 5:50
 
nwp
9:51 PM
@milleniumbug It seems like dup2 fails on coliru, but this prints "13 10 " for me.
on debian
 
10:02 PM
Now that would look good in a README :D
 
nwp
You sort a million objects in a thousand cycles? Sorting algorithms have advanced further than I thought.
 
That would be cycles per element
 
People like READMEs with pictures
 
nwp
Apparently this is the source.
 
10:09 PM
reference extension is garbage anyway
 
@nwp Hum, I missed that presentation
 
AAA is also questionable
"Never return std::string_view", sure. the methods of std::string_view do, however
also, of course std::string_view is unsafe. guess what else is: pointers and references
 
You can adopt strict rules like « only use std::string_view as a function parameter » and it's still useful
 
@Morwenn People prefer that you keep the actual reading in a README to the bare minimum.
 
@JerryCoffin Single-header library, single-file doc x)
 
nwp
10:17 PM
@nwp It's even worse. std::cout << 1 << 1; makes me read "11\r\n" on the other side of the pipe. That is completely unexpected.
 
It's not meant to be used anyway, so the README better look like a nice showcase since people wouldn't read the actual doc if it existed anyway :p
 
"No std::string at the end of std::string_view chain" I don't get it
 
@nwp So string_view is DOA?
Or should I say, DBA? (Dead Before Arrival)
 
it was a bad idea to begin with
 
Nah, it will be used anyway even if it brings C++ into disrepute
 
10:21 PM
"Hey guise, let's introduce another non-owning pointer type, but this time make it less obviously so!"
 
I wonder what's messier, C++ or x86?
 
great plan there
 
Anyway, I've got a huge headache and I should already be sleeping -_-
 
nwp
@Mysticial I haven't watched the talk yet. And I'm not seeing any issues beyond that it is a view that behaves like a view.
 
Good day|night! :)
 
10:22 PM
Speaking of broken features. Is std::async even gonna get fixed in GCC?
Is GCC or Linux ever gonna get a proper thread pool like Windows?
 
nwp
> TLDR: std::string_view res = []{ return std::string("whelp"); }();
I don't agree with those people.
 
And what's the replacement for Cilk Plus in GCC now that it's deprecated. It doesn't look TBB is integrated into GCC like Cilk is. At least not that I can tell.
 
Bully Intel into maintaining Cilk Plus
 
Taking away Cilk Plus is fine as long as there's a replacement. And that replacement is supposed to be TBB. But only two problems:
1. TBB isn't integrated into GCC like Cilk.
2. TBB's performance seems to be shit compared to Cilk on my 10-core box.
 
@Puppy I'd say quite the opposite. The name is a clear indicator that it is not much more than a wrapped iterator pair.
Sometimes I wish the Lounge had an abbreviation bot like on r/space.
 
10:35 PM
@Mysticial Obviously you need at least 20 cores...
 
@JerryCoffin I think the issue is that TBB doesn't seem to handle non-power-of-two core machines as well as Cilk Plus. TBB performs the same as Cilk on all my other boxes. And in some cases, slightly better.
 
@Mysticial Okay--32 cores.
 
Though, I can't tell if it's actually the non-power-of-two part, of it's load-imbalance in general.
The load imbalance will be worse on non-power-of-two core machines.
 
@Mysticial I'm voting that it's mostly a problem with the user being imbalanced. :-)
 
@JerryCoffin But they don't exist! Oh wait... AMD haha. ahahahaha, Intel wants us to buy AMD processors.
 
nwp
10:39 PM
> Fetched 110 MB in 7min 29s (246 kB/s)
 
@Mysticial Of course they exist. You just need more sockets...
 
nwp
Travis in a nutshell.
 
@nwp Travis in a compact black hole.
 
nwp
They do manage so send some data.
@nwp Not that bad after all, I actually did std::cout << 1 << 1 << '\n'; which is much more sane.
 
@CaptainGiraffe That isn't really sufficient when you're autoing it around everywhere.
 
10:48 PM
@Puppy I think that's more of a problem with overusing auto itself.
 
nwp
And I did manage to reproduce it on travis/ubuntu so it's not just my machine being weird.
 
@Mysticial inb4 auto flamewar
 
@milleniumbug That was intentional. :)
Using auto is like accepting a blind date. It can be difficult to know what you get. And that can have consequences. Personally, I'd prefer to see who I'm getting so I know what I'm getting myself into. Other people may have other views.
 
11:08 PM
the best thing to do is design your system so that it's fine to get whatever the other guy sent you
then be explicit if you wanted some kind of conversion
might not be a perfect approach in every domain but should suffice for the vast majority of cases
 
@Mysticial Have you tried clang ;)
@Mysticial I'm sad the mods actually delete those comments
idownvotedbecau.se is actually great imo
 
@Borgleader IIRC, it took me close to a month get my Pi program fully working on GCC. So unless clang has full compatibility with GCC, I'm probably not gonna bother.
As in same flags, same C++ support. Same SIMD support, same GCC bugs and workarounds, etc...
 
11:33 PM
has bindings for a ton of languages, but us C++ debelopers are stuck with the C bindings =/
 
@Puppy As Mystical said; If you auto crazy types you might have fun while you do it, but the bugs will need treatment.
 

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