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12:48 AM
is that giraffeface.jpeg
 
1:38 AM
What's with so many hurricanes & cyclones going around the globe this year? Are there really more severe hurricanes and cyclones or has the media suddenly become interested in such nature disasters?
 
@LucDanton I love the colouring :)
 
@LucDanton d'awww :3
 
 
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4:21 AM
hey
nobody's here
great
bye
 
4:42 AM
@VermillionAzure Define "here".
 
4:58 AM
I wonder ... if wifi devices can emitting death rays, how many people are outside death ray's reach :p
 
@Telkitty To have any idea, you'd need to be able to measure they range within which they're dangerous--and at least as far as I know, nobody's been able to do so yet. Truthfully, we're probably in less danger now than we were decades ago, when (for example) virtually every telephone office had at least one quite high-power microwave tower (and sometimes quite a few). People were much less aware of it, but most of them were much higher power.
For that matter, a radio or television station is typically much more powerful than a puny little wifi hotspot. They operate at lower frequency, but typically have fairly high distortion on the radio signal, so they probably have harmonics going up quite a long ways.
 
5:19 AM
Or ... satellite laser ...
 
@Telkitty A laser normally channels the power into an extremely narrow beam, so you're either being hit with essentially all its power (in which case you know it in a hurry if it's powerful at all), or else virtually none at all (in which case it doesn't matter). If there are any problems, you'd expect them to arise from being hit with quite a bit of power for a long time without knowing it.
 
5:43 AM
@JerryCoffin laser can be used to cut things, so pretty sure if used well, it can be used to eliminate people as well, evil dictators, for example ...
 
@Telkitty Open to some question. Power supply in a satellite is quite limited as a rule, so building a powerful laser in one would be non-trivial. Then you have the fact that even a really powerful beam would be much less concentrated after traveling through kilometers of atmosphere.
 
6:11 AM
could collect solar power :p
 
What about that long cable strung out by iss(?) ..moving through earth's magnetic field. I remember it broke off pretty quickly..anyone know how much power it could (have) produce?
/ are there problems associated with it?
 
 
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8:16 AM
@fredoverflow can do that yeah. You got an email or tiwtter or something I can send you a link to?
 
Ven
8:33 AM
Hi
 
Hey :)
 
Ven
9:10 AM
Since when does snakchat have... events?
 
it's had it for a while...
room owners can schedule events
I don't think it does much... just like, announces things and let people say if the are attending or not
 
There's Teenage Tuesday every Tuesday
Uh, apparently not anymore
 
9:58 AM
> At a minimum we need class endian as soon as possible (1998 would be nice).
 
10:15 AM
hi
 
Ven
hah
 
So
I finally met another person on my island who is interested in programming languages
...at a machine learning event...
 
Your island?
 
@Morwenn O'ahu, Hawaii
 
@VermillionAzure Hey, there are sometimes C++ committee meetings in your archipelago :p
 
10:29 AM
@Morwenn Yes, but I've never had the money or time to go...
College yo. And, also, I'm a C++ idiot so why should I even attend?
 
Ven
Maybe at some point you'll want to stop being an idiot.
 
nwp
If you are an interested idiot it might still be worth it.
 
IIRC you don't have to pay unless you want to be able to vote
 
10:56 AM
@CoderCat my ints are 1 byte
 
sigh
:(
I just suck
 
Any idea where I can find op-amps in home devices?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix probably sound-wave amplifiers
 
That I can guess, but other than "audio amplifier"
 
any time you need to boost a signal of some kind
 
11:06 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix probably radios, televisions, filters, etc.
 
Cellphone?
 
for example boosting the voltage drop over a current sense shunt
 
nwp
Use boost::amplify.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Probably
 
though it's likely to be integrated into the IC
 
11:07 AM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix According to wikipedia, they're used in ADC's and DAC's
 
that's my thought and I believe some old radios don't event have op-amp
it's in their circuit
 
Makes sense
The age of non-integrated electronics have long since ended, I guess
 
I just recently realized that I can't really read my thermocouple without an op-amp
I'll probably order op-amps but the wait suck
 
I can't find a way to check for the existence of __int128 at compile-time :/
 
11:23 AM
@Morwenn you could use sizeof?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix that's still a compile error
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix It wouldn't work in my case: I want to create one if available, but I don't expect to receive integer data
Hum, apparently I can check the __SIZEOF_INT128__ macro which should exist when __int128 exists
 
wasn't far from it if it works
 
nwp
@Morwenn Boost had that problem too, maybe something there worked.
What are you going to do when your compile-time check says that __int128 is not available?
 
11:36 AM
Nothing, it's just for optimization purposes
 
I'M HUNGRY
 
@Mysticial this... is a case mod twitter.com/ippupu_ava/status/919138702047055874
 
nwp
My debian's apt wants to remove a couple of unnecessary packaged due to an update in some low level package. Like, who needs thunderbird, xserver, qt, vlc and blender anyways? But when it wants to remove endless-sky that's going a bit far.
 
Wow
why is it so crowded now
is it because everyone is european?
 
@nwp xfree86 ftw
 
11:48 AM
@VermillionAzure yes
 
bah
Hey, btw, does anybody want to try my Shaka Scheme CMake build process?
 
Wait, GCC generates 3 jump instructions for an unsigned __int128 comparison, but Clang generates branchless code
 
@Morwenn Perhaps you just need to trigger the right codegen in GCC?
 
nwp
What's another #ifdef __clang__ under friends?
 
Right, plus open an issue in GCC about bad codegen :p
 
12:13 PM
@VermillionAzure You make it sound so irresistable
 
@sehe oh, you XD
 
Yeah. Sorry for misspelling irresistible
@nwp that means they were only indirectly required due to a (meta-)package that got removed.
Ooor you messed up and try to install a package (version) that conflicts with those packages
My answer shows it — sehe 18 secs ago
Something tells me it's a lost cause
Wow. Someone managed to tag a Bootstrap question with , because obviously it's spelled Boostrap and... crickets
 
12:31 PM
 
thx :)
 
12:43 PM
At work, Windows 10 is updating for 3 and half hours. All I can do is to sit here and watch it spin.
 
@wilx Welcome to the club
 
@sehe :(
4 hours and a bit.
I have done about hour and half of work today.
 
Poor boy
 
12:59 PM
I do not mind the undone work. But the boredom was horrible.
 
you get to chat with us, it can't be that bad ...
 
why did you start the win10 update in the middle of your workday?
 
@ratchetfreak probably because he didn't know it would take this long
30 minutes is doable ... 330 isn't
 
win10 doesn't always give you a choice
 
Win10 is a spoiled kid and you just have to let it win
 
1:06 PM
@wilx An update takes a lot longer than an installation from the ground up? Must take some serious talent to accomplish that.
 
1:29 PM
@wilx although 4 hours seems to be rather long, have you checked whether everything is okay?
 
Ell
@wilx at least youre being paid for it
 
nwp
2:27 PM
/cc @BartekBanachewicz
Would not recommend watching the whole talk, it can be summarized with "properly constrain your interfaces", but I thought you would enjoy that quote.
 
complexity and ease of use don't tend to go hand in hand unless you limit yourself to a very simple subset
 
Ven
interesting point
 
where simple subset is the subset you happen to know
C++ stack isn't financially justifiable
 
Ven
lol
 
nwp
@sehe Those packages were manually installed and I didn't mess up installing a conflicting package (explicitly). I get this when I use apt-get dist-upgrade while apt-get upgrade will "hold back" some updates to mesa packages, most likely because they would result in removing manually installed packages.
 
2:35 PM
So basically C++ dev costs $120k, while we can have some kid code python for $70k. So for these medical devices we can have the C++ dev interface with the HW, and then have the kids build the GUI (which is by a majority of the code). Even if the C++ guy's job is the build a Python interface it still saves money for teams of 4+ people.
 
nwp
Maybe I didn't understand an important distinction between upgrade and dist-upgrade.
 
Ven
@Mikhail the 70k$ python devs write code you don't want to maintain
 
Hire in France, kids cost <€35k
 
"Quick-to-market protoype" is a good description of our code base
 
Ven
2:38 PM
@Mikhail buttiful.
 
The best part about Python is that you're not forced to refactor the test suite when you make a change!
 
Ven
since you didn't write tests in the first place
 
this is also true
w/e machine makes embryos, they can write tests when we make enough of them
 
Ven
tru tru
 
@Morwenn Actually in France overhead is a bitch and you have to guarantee employment, so translated from European Funny Money to real $ its probably about the same for the employer.
 
2:41 PM
Poor kids
Also don't worry, now you know how much firing someone might cost you at most
 
There are some weird regulation in France about requiring to have money in reserve for your employees. AKA you can't have $0 in the bank and hire staff. I think its something like you must have a years worth of salary... I don't remember exactly.
 
"weird"
 
Its a problem if you are expecting money but the wire transfer didn't go though, etc.
Makes it unfriendly to startups
 
I'm pretty we've got plenty of exceptions for startups and small companies
 
nwp
You totally are.
 
2:48 PM
I keep skipping words ç_ç
 
ç_ç == Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi ?
 
wat
 
3:07 PM
you just want everyone to know you're pretty
@JerryCoffin nono the installation from the ground up takes 9 hours
 
inb4 send nudes
 
3:22 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Sorry, but I've installed Windows 10, so I know how long it takes...
 
3:40 PM
@Mikhail Looking at this, things will get bad when nobody will have money. Impossible to get a job because your possible employer doesn't have money right now and you cant rent a flat because you can'T find a job
 
@Mgetz Nice!. Though I'm a bit bothered by all the empty space in the case. lol
 
3:52 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Take this to a large scale, and you have pretty much how a "tight" money supply slows an economy.
@Mysticial This is the sort of thing that happens when your girlfriend says she "needs her space"... :-)
 
4:10 PM
@Mikhail I'd be very very happy to get that money.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That's not really any different, though, since if your possible employer doesn't have money right now how can he afford to pay your salary?
 
@sehe half (at least) goes to taxes though
 
at least in this case if you get a job you know you'll get paid
 
@ratchetfreak As if that's very different elsewhere. Yawn. Boring US tax fallacy
 
4:45 PM
@sehe Depends on what "elsewhere" you mean, of course. Tax rates around 50% are pretty common throughout Europe (for the obvious example). In less developed countries the maximum is often lower (e.g., 32% max in Philippines, 35% max in Mexico). You undoubtedly lose some benefits in the process though. So if your point is that you get what you pay for, I'd agree. If your point is that the US is (even close to) unique in having lower tax rates, you're clearly wrong.
I suppose the point could be some combination of the two: that the US has lower tax rates that most other highly developed countries, and could probably get greater benefits at lower costs by paying for more via taxes than its current system. Again I'd agree (though such a proposition is obviously speculative).
 
the problem is that countries compete for companies, not the other way around
 
Recently, the government of Canada made a deal with Netflix: if they invest 500 M$ to create Canadian content, they won't have to pay any taxes forever. Of course, the nature of the "Canadian content" is unspecified.
Notably, nothing about French content, which is kind of a big deal.
 
here's the deal Puppy would make
pay all the taxes or gtfo our market and country
 
5:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Not even anything about a minimum of X% having to be made/sourced/whatever in Canada?
 
and other programs about maple syrup
 
@JerryCoffin Netflix is gonna spend 500 M$ to "create Canadian content". One assumes this is going to made in Canada.
Would have been way easier to just add sales tax to Netflix subscriptions, but hey, we have to bend over for the tech overlords.
 
@ratchetfreak I need working OpenBroadcast System (OBS) to record videos. I have reinstalled whole PC to Windows 10 last week so I had to d/l and install AMD GPU drivers to get it working and I restarted for that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel One would certainly hope--but if you're making "deal" like this, you'd normally want to specify what you're getting in return for letting them off the hook on paying taxes...
 
The deal is super opaque.
 
5:22 PM
@Ell Yup.
@Telkitty It seems OK after it finished.
 
@Puppy not necessarily true as money might come as a steady flow, Let assume that if you take a job, you won't get paid tomorrow but in a month or 2 weeks. That's enough time to receive money from contracts already signed.
 
@thecoshman see my profile
 
@JerryCoffin That's close. The fallacy is what Trump spews: "We are the highest taxed nation and still we have XXXX"
 
@sehe Anything dealing with Trump that starts with "the fallacy" is almost certainly wrong--a statement embodying/based on only one fallacy would almost unavoidably be more accurate than anything I've heard from him... :-(
 
@sehe not true the highest taxed nation is probably Quebec if that count for a nation
 
5:35 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Only for individuals. Companies have comparatively low tax rates.
Also corporations in a variety of sectors (natural resources, video games, etc.) get a variety of tax breaks.
 
companies are tax collectors
nonetheless if you're an invidivual you'll pay taxes everywhere. I learned recently that if you want to buy a house, if you don't have at least 20% of the total price you have to pay an extra tax for "individual bankruptcy" in case you can't pay your mortgage.
 
Well, yeah, you need a cash down.
 
@fredoverflow ergh... I can't copy and paste that :\
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix One way or another, paying that amount of money is probably close to inevitable. You can pay it as tax, or as insurance, or just as higher fees/rates/whatever on the loan (and such), but if there's increased risk that you won't make the payments, there's going to be increased cost to cover that risk.
 
@fredoverflow oh wait :\ It's in my work google account and I don't think I have the details at home... I can share in the morning, but it's lunch presentation... so I doubt you'll have time
though I was planning to add more "see these things" links at the end
 
5:44 PM
Anyway, the more money you have, the more you can avoid paying money.
 
It's just not really fair. If you don't have a lot of money, you end up paying more money than someone who already have enough money.
I get the idea is probably to make people wait a bit longer before getting a loan but sucks a bit
 
nah
it may be unfair but it's also reality and I can see that
what's not reality is fucking Google dodging tax
they should face personal criminal liability for that
 
@EtiennedeMartel thought I also learned that this tax collecting thing in canada can allow you selling products less than they cost and still make some profit. The idea is that if you buy something you don't have to pay tax if you sell it. So if you bought it at 10$ you can sell it a 9$ You collect the tax of the customer and get a credit from the extra tax you paid when bought the thing at 10$
 
nwp
I wouldn't fault google for that. You can't compete paying taxes with someone who doesn't pay taxes. And the laws allow to not pay taxes so you would be stupid to do so anyways.
 
@Puppy Seems to me that there are criminals, it would be the Irish gov't that allowed Google to not pay taxes. Google opened a business in a country, and followed the laws that country told them to follow. Not Google's fault that the country's laws didn't follow EU directives.
 
5:49 PM
It's true that it's a systemic issue.
 
@JerryCoffin I kinda disagree there.
 
`main.cpp:51: confused by earlier errors, bailing out`
`unable to find a register to spill in class 'NO_REGS'`
 
it's clear there's plenty of responsibility on the Irish, Luxembourg, and all those other places
 
^ Typical GCC
 
but I think there's also fundamentally a limit on how much countries can deal with this
companies will always move faster, find new loopholes
they need to learn not to use em
 
nwp
5:51 PM
I disagree. You can't expect companies to donate money to the government.
 
I sure as hell can
it's written in the law
 
@Puppy Oh please! This wasn't Google moving faster to find new loopholes. This was the governments bending over backwards to court them by writing laws that favored them, and doing their best to get Google to take as much advantage of them as possible.
 
nwp
And I don't think those are loopholes. Those are laws intended to attract companies, and that they did.
 
@JerryCoffin If memory serves, they already have equally bad new loopholes to use.
that could just be my bad memory though
 
I don't see what the problem is. As long as Google was following all the laws (both Ireland and EU) and are not operating on any criminal intent (i.e. child labor, drugs, or that sort) then it's not their fault. If the governing bodies have an issue with Google, then they can change their laws. If they think Google was under-taxed for many years, I don't see what's stopping them from just raising taxes to compensate for it.
 
6:03 PM
@Mysticial the problem is you can't raise the taxes for google
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Raise them for everybody. It's only fair that way.
 
@thecoshman Don't worry about it too much, I'm sure you'll do fine.
 
@fredoverflow oh, of course <over confident emoji>
I just want/need to flesh out the 'more shit here' links
 
@thecoshman My favorite 'more shit here' link is lmgtfy.com/?q=kotlin
@thecoshman In other words, if you succeed at igniting the Kotlin spark in your audience, whether or not you have links at all on your slides won't matter.
And there I was thinking that ASMR was somehow related to ASM :)
 
6:26 PM
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"If everyone thinks you suck, have you considered the possibility that it's you who actually sucks and not everyone else in the world?"
 
6:44 PM
@fredoverflow It is. They can both give you tingles.
@Mysticial Look at the band in the parade! See, everybody's out of step except my little Johnny!
 
6:56 PM
@Mysticial "Wow all these cars on the highway are going in the wrong direction, idiots..."
 
@fredoverflow hahaha
 
7:39 PM
a phrase you rarely need
"We already got the directions from the dog"
 
8:14 PM
hey does anybody know how to draw a bounding box over a rotating box
no? no? guess ill die now
 
k
 
nwp
@MLGChan Try here maybe. It's not that hard though, with a bit of thinking you should be able to do it yourself.
 
@Mysticial Roughly.
 
9:08 PM
@sehe I did it a while back though.
 
9:21 PM
@MLGChan Leave the box and bounding box fixed, and just rotate the background (and counter-rotate the view).
 
10:08 PM
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10:35 PM
fucking embedded library doesn't support "%zu" sscanf code
 
Then don't use it.
 
I got some big data
 
@Mikhail that reminds me of C programmers making fun of C++ that given its complexity compilers will never support it fully
 
Yeah, everything up to version 7 of GCC choked on sscanf with 5 arguments+. Couldn't find enough registers
 
wait, for realsies?
 
10:38 PM
Yeah
5 hours ago, by Mikhail
`main.cpp:51: confused by earlier errors, bailing out`
`unable to find a register to spill in class 'NO_REGS'`
GCC 7 fixes it so, no bug report
 
@Mikhail "Got your big data hangin' right here!"
 
@Mikhail Then don't use registers.
 
Yeah, I'm not really sure why even have them around. I mean, Turning's machine didn't have any registers?
Plus modern languages prefer variables over registers, hell you can't even use them in MSVC for x64 targets.
 
A register is like a microwave. It's useful for some things and not useful or even applicable to others. What you're trying to do is ask GCC to use a microwave to clear a clogged toilet. And it's telling you it can't find a place to spill the shit that's in the toilet.
 
11:01 PM
@Mikhail What the fuck are you even talking about? The register keyword and actual registers are completely unrelated in all modern compilers for decades, nothing special about MSVC x64, and variables can be kept in registers irrespective of its presence or absence..
 
11:34 PM
@Puppy i believe you can’t use inline asm in MSVC x64 and therefore not enforce it
 

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