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12:00 AM
@JerryCoffin Neat =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe ...other than the fact that the language it deals with is still frozen in 1996 (or some such).
 
@JerryCoffin It was as fast (claimed) as fortran at the time.
I wrote my thesis in fortran(77) in 1996. So I think it evens out. Well there were some latex involved too.
I had to type 7 spaces before every statement. quite pythonic.
The times I've tried rubberducking my duck goes like
 
12:15 AM
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah--they did pretty good optimization (though as I recall, Metaware was frequently better).
 
do you guys know state machines and regular expressions?
 
No thats next door.
3
 
I know Matt, from the lab.
 
ok
 
@StackedCrooked Does the lab have matte paint on the walls?
 
12:18 AM
whops
Actually, I think I've only used it one or two times in school.
Or maybe I saw someone else use it.
 
@StackedCrooked I have seen Matlab being used. Years ago, I even had a copy of Matlab licensed in my name for a while (for a project we'd been told would need it, but turned out not to).
 
@JerryCoffin No, but it has a large poster with the periodic table.
 
@StackedCrooked Some day I think it'd be cool to create a slightly jumbled periodic table, and see how long it took before anybody noticed.
 
It may take years, but some geek will find out eventually.
 
@StackedCrooked Sure--but would somebody fail to notice, and publish a paper with some utterly ridiculous result based on it first?
 
12:24 AM
That seems unlikely.
Since he would write the paper on his computer and a periodic table from Wikipedia or something.
 
@StackedCrooked So I need to do an "on trusting trust" hack that detects when he's looking at an outside table, and jumbles it to match. Hmm....
 
@JerryCoffin Your dna might deceive you.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Of course it does (all the time). amazon.com/Your-Deceptive-Mind-Scientific-Critical/dp/…
 
Actually, not sure if I would trust wikipedia either..
Since it's full of little joke edits.
 
@StackedCrooked I never have (about anything that really mattered, anyway).
 
12:35 AM
@fredoverflow Haha, I got none of them right. Too much C++ :P
 
12:47 AM
Hmm...from the downvotes, it appears a few people don't like being told that the C++ they've written is shitty.
1
A: what is the diffrence between std::cout<< x ; and std::cout<<x<<std::endl;?

Jerry Coffinendl writes a new-line to the stream, so subsequent output will appear on the next line. It also flushes the stream's buffer, usually causing a slow-down. This flushing means that 99% of the time, endl is a mistake, and you should just write "\n" instead.

 
Alright... Gonna take these to my friend's this weekend and see if we can revive an old machine in his garage.
 
@Mysticial If not, I'll give the memory a good home... :-)
 
1:08 AM
@Mysticial Didn't you say all your seagates died?
 
1:20 AM
@JerryCoffin Good eye. Looks like they're still worth something: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231312
@melak47 Only half of them that I got between 2 and 7 years ago are dead.
That one in the picture isn't healthy either. We're just gonna see if the box still works, and if it does we'll give it a real drive.
As well as a PSU. It doesn't have a PSU, but we'll borrow one from one of his other boxes.
 
@Mysticial Yeah--old parts no longer lose all their value over-night like they used to.
 
That memory is 5 years old.
 
@Mysticial In the Pentium days (for example) you quite literally could barely even give away 5 year old machines. I helped dispose of some machines for the school district in Colorado Springs once. I finally did get a junk hauler to come and pick them up for free, but I had to drag my old dishwasher there for him to pick up at the same time for him to get him to bother.
 
lol
And this is what my desk looked like yesterday:
The rip jaws, despite being the older still look the coolest.
 
@Mysticial It never before occurred to me how violent memory (apparently) is. Rip Jaws, Sniper, and Vengeance. I wonder if "Nuclear" memory would sell well...
 
1:32 AM
Does RAM need cooling?
 
@StackedCrooked It can get pretty toasty, especially if you're over-clocking it.
 
On the picture they seem to have little heatsinks on the top.
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, all of those in the picture have heat spreaders.
 
"Heat spreaders" that's the word I was looking for :)
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, they do. Not sure how often it's really necessary though.
 
1:34 AM
All of them in the picture were mid-end when I got them.
Maxed out in size, but lower-end in speed.
 
@JerryCoffin Well you wouldn't want them to melt, would you :P
 
Except for the sniper ones which I just got. DDR3 is already maxed out in size. And the high-frequency ones weren't expensive.
 
Seems like 85C is max safe temp for RAM.
 
The FB-DIMMs from my old server ran up to 130C.
 
@Mysticial I used to know a couple of over-clockers who always get fairly small memories because they could get them to run at slightly faster clock speeds. My machine with (a lot of) mid-range memory get more real work done quite a bit faster...
 
1:37 AM
They needed active cooling.
 
@Mysticial they ran that hot by themselves? :D
 
@melak47 Yeah. FB-DIMMs have a chip in them that made them very expensive and hot.
 
@Mysticial That's the buffer--basically an SRAM chip.
Well, it's not just SRAM, but the SRAM is fairly expensive and probably what draws most of the extra power too.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, that thing pulled a LOT of watts.
The ram pulled more than the 2 CPUs.
 
@Mysticial OCD trigger warning!
 
1:46 AM
@Mysticial Of course. They out-numbered the CPUs 8:1. :-)
 
@Mysticial I read an article on ram and how speed (doesn't) affect performance (in games mostly)
and I was surprised at how much power these things pull
like a set of 4xDDR4 sticks could pull (iirc) between 120-240W?
 
My 8 x 8GB DDR4 doesn't pull anywhere close that much.
But yeah, fast memory is useless for games. Games probably prefer latency more than bandwidth.
Fast memory (in frequency) is for bandwidth.
Timings are for latency.
Bandwidth is really only useful for HPC and not very well optimized applications that don't fit in cache.
 
2:15 AM
how to get rid of the warcraft 3 addiction ? tried to change my battle net account email to a disposable one and destroy. but after a while i contact support and gets restored. so far i found the best option: have slow 512 Kbps connection which takes forever to download any stuff
 
@ProblemSlover alcoholism or friends ...
So, whats everybody working on? I'm doing some Qt GUI dev right now
 
@Mikhail found the option travelling/hiking, it sounds quite good to me.
 
@Mikhail cimpoler for fun and non-profit
 
@Mysticial There are many bandwidth bounded applications and algorithms all over the place.
 
2:36 AM
@JerryCoffin I think "Atomic" memory might also sell well :p
 
2:49 AM
Heyyy, let's come negative ratings guys. stackoverflow.com/questions/36213240/…
Thanks :d
Don't me mad.
 
3:11 AM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Those mostly fall under HPC.
 
3:30 AM
@Mysticial girl ?
 
yes
feel free to hit on her, she gives out love generally
 
She gives out heads, generally, yes
 
:) Meh.
 
4:02 AM
what fun times are being had in here tonight
 
A veritable p a r t y.
 
...how and when did Chrome acquire 30 tabs?
D:
 
Swift comes to Linux.
I might actually have a look at it now.
 
4:24 AM
Does Swift need a runtime?
 
I dunno actually.
> every Swift app executes inside the Objective-C runtime
Hm...
 
That sounds like a terrible idea.
 
ios is built on objective-c, so it was probably unavoidable
 
I like clunky objective - C more than smooth swift
 
Meh, already lost interest in Swift.
It won't allow me to write my own memory allocator.
Even though I totally didn't plan to do that.
Maybe I should try Rust then.
> I've read that if you confine too many rats in too small a living space, they become sociopathic. That's density for you. I've seen no reason to suspect that code, concepts, data structures, interfaces, programmers or managers have an advantage over rats in this respect. Give yourself some room to breathe and stretch: couple interfaces loosely, let a subsystem deal with a little rather than a lot, leave a little whitespace for flowers to grow between tokens,
I kinda like that.
My colleague's code reminds me the Guernica. Just opening the source file immediately triggers the sense of chaos and confusion. So much going on. I don't know where to look..
 
5:03 AM
morning
-5
Q: I want a recursive algorithm to generate fibonacci.

samaksh shrivastavawrite an recursive algorithm to generate Fibonacci series.I have already tried partial recursion but i want complete recursive algorithm to generate Fibonacci series.

There is this Kickstarter to make a small DNA lab box, and one of the comments was "Can I use this to check if my brother was adopted?"
 
5:49 AM
Google Nik Collection for photography is now free, for Windows & Mac. This software was priced like 500$ at first.
 
user784668
6:07 AM
FU GCC
 
user784668
Why do you spell -Weverything "g++ -Q --help=warning | sed -e 's/^\s*\(\-\S*\)\s*\[\w*\]/\1 /gp;d' | tr -d '\n'"?
 
weekly reminder that -Weverything doesn’t make sense
 
user784668
@LucDanton -Weverything + blacklist of stupid "warnings" kinda does
 
read the manual and make up your own list will ya
I’m guessing it won’t have -Weff-c++ and -Wc++11-compat together will it
monthly reminder that the GCC drivers haven’t been human-friendly in a while (although apparently they want to fix that, at least to an extent—which genuinely surprised me)
@Fanael yeah that’s what I mean by 'doesn’t make sense'
like having an --all-flags flag for setting all flags
how dumb is that
 
Why? It just enables all warnings, -w_run_all_checks
 
6:13 AM
@Mikhail GCC warnings don’t work like that
 
Shouldn't they?
 
some of them have more states than just on/off and some are incompatible with others (or close to in practice)
@Mikhail I don’t know
 
I don't see why they should be incompatible, maybe due to some stupid performance reasons? I mean they unit test right?
 
ya know, like trying to set all flags when using whichever command of your choice
 
I guess some arch specific flags might be incompatible, but I think they would probably be ignored...
 
6:16 AM
warning options are not arch sensitive
 
user784668
@LucDanton all flags? -ffixed-rax -fcall-saved-rax -fcall-used-rax here I come
 
@Mikhail let me rephrase: GCC warning options don’t work like that
@Fanael I didn’t mean GCC flags necessarily, I had the more usual commands in mind
 
Hmm, well that sounds broken. I should contact some professors at U of I and ask if they can write a better compiler.
 
of course not, it sounds perfectly reasonable
if a command has both foo --a and foo --b do you expect foo --a --b to make sense no matter what?
 
Out of curiosity where in the gcc source tree do we find unit tests? github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc
@LucDanton If they are static analysis options, yes I do
 
user784668
6:18 AM
@LucDanton Okay, these flags in this order don't even do anything, because they override one another so -fcall-used-rax wins, and it's the default in both ABIs.
 
@Mikhail well, there’s your misconception: they are warning options, not whatever you think they are
 
Can you give me an example of a warning that should be exclusive with another warning?
-w_do_not_warn -w_please_warn
looks broken
 
@Mikhail look for the testsuite subdirs in the various subprojects—they’re not unit tests though
 
user784668
Yay I broke GCC
 
@Mikhail e.g. -Wc99-c11-compat and -Wc++11-compat because a program can’t be both C and C++
 
user784668
@LucDanton Bad example, since the first one is ignored in C++ as valid only for C.
 
user784668
<stdin>: In function ‘foo’:
<stdin>:1:1: error: unable to generate reloads for:
(insn 11 9 12 2 (parallel [
            (set (reg/v:SI 89 [ result ])
                (mult:SI (reg:SI 87 [ D.1844 ])
                    (reg:SI 0 ax)))
            (clobber (reg:CC 17 flags))
        ]) <stdin>:1 305 {*mulsi3_1}
     (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 87 [ D.1844 ])
        (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg:SI 0 ax)
            (expr_list:REG_UNUSED (reg:CC 17 flags)
                (nil)))))
 
@Fanael I think it’s an adequate example
 
user784668
@LucDanton It's not, since it's the same as -Wc++11-compat.
 
@Fanael a) that’s not documented b) Mikhail asked for a warning that should be exclusive with another warning
@Mikhail passing multiple -Wstrict-aliasing=n levels is also needlessly confusing
mmh -Weffc++ doesn’t look to be as nagging as I remembered it was
plenty of minor things littered about
it’s a big bundle of options, not a list/set of things you turn on
 
6:32 AM
@LucDanton Why not, just get the results from both static analysis traces?
 
@Mikhail you only need to run one (if there’s any such thing to begin with)
look, it’s obvious that you think that -Wsomething means 'turn on something'
but it doesn’t
it does whatever the manual says it does
a lot of them do do that, and I suppose they strive for consistency
it’s a big mess is what it is
 
user784668
@LucDanton Ah, so you're just being needlessly pedantic. But that makes you wrong, as the manual is irrelevant: it does whatever the code says it does.
 
@Fanael How is this pedantry? If someone says 'hey I want to enable everything', I don’t think trying to cram as many flags as possible without trying to figure out what they’re for is sensible
as I’ve said, maybe you like to do foo --a and you like to do foo --b but I suggest you have a think before doing foo --a --b and calling it a day
and passing in --c merely because it appears somewhere in the man page is ill-advised, too
 
I feel you're getting worked up about something else, please show me on this doll where gcc touched you.
 
@Mikhail who is?
some flags are mentioned in the negative form, too e.g. -Wno-non-template-friend so you have to decide which you want in your 'pls give everything' mode
 
user784668
6:39 AM
@LucDanton wat
 
user784668
like, really, are you even serious
 
@Fanael do you want to pass -Wno-non-template-friend because it’s mentioned, or -Wnon-template-friend because it’s the positive form
 
user784668
@LucDanton it's fucking obvious mate
 
@Fanael yeah—what’s ridiculous about what I ask? :(
@Fanael which one then?
 
user784668
@LucDanton It'll become obvious to you too when you stop playing dumb.
 
6:42 AM
@Fanael I don’t like your proposition because if it is the case that I am dumb and not playing then that’s a long time to wait
 
user784668
@LucDanton Which one results in the warning being enabled?
 
user784668
Remember: we're talking about enabling all warnings.
 
6:58 AM
@Fanael ah, I thought there was a switch to get the old GCC behaviour back but I don’t think that’s the case
i.e. you’d have a program which would warn with the one setting and another which would warn with the other
well, maybe
 
Ven
@jaggedSpire you have no idea how hard it is to click those on mobile :p
 
I’m also surprised I don’t recognise the warning, I would have thought declaring a non-template friend without defining it is something I do from time to time
@Fanael took me too long to figure out, so either non-obvious or I’m dumb
 
8:00 AM
Guys imagine I have class which holds pointer internally.
And one of its functions look like:

void String::operator=(const String & myString)
{
if (m_str != nullptr)
{
delete[] m_str; //Breakpoint Apears Here
};
m_str = new char[strlen(myString.m_str) + 1];
m_str = myString.m_str;
}

Now if somewhere myString.m_str gets deleted (say by destructor), then even
if (m_str != nullptr) check is implementation behavior (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33395724/documentation-of-invalid-pointer-value-conversion-in-c-implementations). Just was thinking this makes handling poi
Basically I am interested if you agree with this answer
http://stackoverflow.com/a/36216124/3963067
I will remove it if there are inaccuracies
 
user1804599
@Ven exciting!
 
user1804599
@GiorgiMoniava Use std::string instead of char* and all your problems are instantly solved.
 
@Zoidberg I know but that is now answer :)) to my question
 
Ven
@Zoidberg :v
 
I meant not
 
user1804599
8:17 AM
@sehe my colleague asked for the legend
 
user1804599
 
Ven
@GiorgiMoniava dunno what you're asking, but delete null is fine
 
user1804599
delete and delete[] performing null checks is directly against the C++ philosophy of "don't pay for what you don't use".
 
user1804599
It's terrible.
 
Ven
stop rightfolding so early in the morning
 
user1804599
8:30 AM
Well, at least Python programmers will feel right at home.
 
user1804599
They also violate the Zen of Python constantly.
 
user1804599
@набиячлэвэлиь noooo :(
 
user1804599
I want to exploit that glitch to make superfast tunnels.
 
@Zoidberg I'm p. sure ice+trapdoors still works
 
user1804599
8:49 AM
Cool.
 
Ven
rightfold is a trap already, so only needs doors and ice.
 
user1804599
XD
 
To sort numbers descending to both sides from the middle (biggest in middle): 1) Sort using bubble sort 2) Starting from the middle spread the sorted array. Any suggestions on how to do it better?
 
9:05 AM
Morning lounge
So, who's off today?
 
user1804599
@Muhammet compute the mean of the sequence, then sort by value - mean.
 
@Muhammet ...why do you need an array sorted descending to both sides from the middle?
 
Ven
@Rerito i'm out of energy
 
How so?
 
Ven
tired
that 3 days weekend doe \o/
 
9:14 AM
Yay
Dat weather though
 
Ven
moins de reflets sur mon écran frer
 
user1804599
My three-day weekend starts tomorrow.
 
@Zoidberg Yeah, ours too
 
You mean 6-day weekend?
 
Noobs still in school don't count. :P
 
sbi
9:21 AM
Good morning.
 
Ven
you can be in school and work as well...
 
sbi
@Columbo How in the world can you ask why the violation of fundamental ethical principles might not make you look smart? Sorry, but that's so dumb a question, I don't even know what to answer to this.
Sigh.
OK, dumbed down for Merkins: If you torture others for whatever your current goals are, then what moral right do you have to demand others to not to torture you for their goals?
(And please do not reply with something along the lines that your goals are better. They are not. They are just different.)
@Columbo And did you know that the guy who ordered this was taken to court, convicted, and lost his job? (And did it occur to you that this, an example where torture didn't achieve anything, actually contradicts your point that it might be useful?)
 
@Griwes school stuff :P
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin The problem isn't globalization vs. localization, it's the difference between the very few who come out well-fed in any scenario and the ones who will be on the losing end in any scenario.
 
@sbi: Sam Harris has some to say about ethics of torture. huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/in-defense-of-torture_b_8993.html
(Without knowing any context of your current dialogue.)
 
9:32 AM
@Zoidberg could you explain a little more on how that would work please? I can't think of how I can use the mean of the sequence to sort it like that.
 
That reminds me of that thing with an american tv host that maintained that waterboarding was no torture
He agreed to suffer the technique and whoops, miracle, it was torture thereafter
 
sbi
> If your daughter won’t tip the scales, then add the daughters of every couple for a thousand miles—millions of little girls have, by some perverse negligence on the part of our government, come under the control of an evil genius who now sits before you in shackles.
If this is a moral argument to allow you torturing, then it also is a moral argument to allow you for raping a little girl. I mean, if it does save a million little girls then, surely, raping one other girl doesn't seem so bad, does it?
You see that this is stupid.
Or would you do it?
 
sbi
Ultimately, this all boils down to the Categorical Imperative: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." Everything else has been tried and found to, eventuall, lead you to the dark side.
(Dumbed down for Merkins: You do not want it to become an universal law that torture is allowed. You only want this possible for you, not for your enemies.)
 
user1804599
I have to import the table from this file into something usable :( gs1gt.org/productos/ecom/comercio_exterior/descargas/coprar/…
 
user1804599
9:40 AM
I can't find the equivalent non-PDF.
 
9:52 AM
"this is basically Belgian sense of humour in a nutshell." http://imgur.com/gallery/gsxlc
@sbi it's funny that Belarus is in Europe but Ukraine is not. And Crimea is a part of Russia.
also hi
 
sbi
@Abyx shrug
It's the Belgian kind of humor, you know.
 
well probably whoever did that pic forgot what Belarus is
 
sbi
@Abyx Very likely they didn't care.
 
@sbi The problem with that analogy is that nobody can construct a situation whereby raping one girl saves other girls ;p
 
@sbi there was a movie about that - imdb.com/title/tt0914863
 
sbi
10:05 AM
> If your daughter won’t tip the scales, then add the daughters of every couple for a thousand miles—millions of little girls have, by some perverse negligence on the part of our government, come under the control of an evil genius who now sits before you in shackles.
Way more likely, of course.
 
3
Q: Behavior of WS_CLIPCHILDREN and InvalidateRect in Windows 7

StackedCrookedTo reduce flickering I create my parent windows using the WS_CLIPCHILDREN flag and I call InvalidateRect during the WM_SIZE event. This approach has worked well in Windows XP. However, I recently started programming on Windows 7 and I'm now experiencing rendering issues when resizing windows. Whe...

^ Fond memories from back when I used the Windows SDK.
 
@sbi Naturally.
 
Ven
@tothur The guy is a complete tool, but getting ARRESTED is ridiculous. That's free speech for ya!
put this guy in jail.
 
The good old WS_CLIPCHILDREN. How could I forget about you.
 
@StackedCrooked lol
Dear MS: phrasing!
 
user1804599
10:10 AM
@Ven ???
 
Ven
@Zoidberg "people should be allowed to promote hate speech!"
 
user1804599
Yes, they should.
 
user1804599
Everybody should be able to say everything they want without limits except when they signed not to (e.g. confidentiality).
 
user1804599
Be it verbal, non-verbal, through tweets, blog posts, diagrams, cartoons, whatever.
 
user1804599
That includes opinions and threats.
 
Ven
10:22 AM
plonks
 
@Zoidberg There are limits to free-speech. Death threats are illegal, convincing others to kill someone is illegal.
I will admit that the line is very thin, and that we should be careful in what we call "harmful" (especially since these laws can be used to stifle criticism), but that's up to other systems (i.e. courts) to do.
 
@MadaraUchiha what is "legal" depends on place where it happens
 
@Abyx Indeed
 
10:45 AM
@sbi Well, first of all, what do I care whether the guy was convicted? Secondly, it (the mere threat of torture) very much did achieve something. They found the victim. Did it occur to you at some point that the delinquent was under no other pressure to tell them anything?
 
@Columbo have you watched "The Making of a Murder"?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I do realize that torture may compel a confession of something the subject never committed.
 
It is not uncommon for people to confess to things they didn't do when put under pressure.
Actually, it is scary how often that happens.
 
Or without the pressure when they're in a gang
 
It was plain obvious that the kidnapper knew where the fucking victim was. Stop generalizing to cases where it isn't at all clear what the person in front of you knows or did.
 
You're trying to assert that torture might be useful, no?
 
Maybe ISIS fighters all become obese
 
That sounds pretty general to me.
 
user1804599
Excel sucks balls.
 
I want to see an army of morbidly obese men of ISIS
 
10:55 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not in general. It is clearly useful in a margin of situations; the issue is that distinguishing between cases where it (with fair chance) will produce intelligence and cases where it will just produce garbage is difficile and shouldn't be done by overzealous authorities. Regardless, torturing a terrorist isn't that big of an ethical violation to me.
 
It's not difficult, it's borderline impossible (you can't predict the future).
And on top of being unpredictable, the ratio of garbage to results is not in favor of results.
Your "torturing a terrorist" statement carries the presumption of guilt, unless you're saying that will only be done after the courts find them "terrorists".
(In that case, haha, good joke)
 
sbi
@Columbo "The mere threat of torture"? What is the threat of torture, if not torture itself? Really, and you skipped over everything else I said.
Oh, just forget about it. I wouldn't want a claim like "torture might be OK under some circumstances" let go unchallenged, but I certainly do not feel compelled to further discuss this with you.
 
Neither do I.
@sbi Yeah, the threat of torture is torture. Let's discuss that with persons who actually were tortured, and see whether they disagree.
 
@Columbo If we torture a terrorist, how are we different from him?
5
 
11:04 AM
@Griwes The point is that we give him the choice. He didn't give us a choice whether he blows us up.
 
The threat of bodily harm is psychological harm.
 
Suddenly you are trying to combat terror with terror.
That's terrorism. vOv
 
I don't see how that wouldn't make it torture.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes It also presumes that you know which ones are the evil guys and which ones are the good ones.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, a hardened terrorist or criminal (which is the kind of individual to get in this situation, I presume) wouldn't piss themselves, they'd just avoid it.
(I do agree that the threat of it is not justifiable if torture isn't.)
 
Xeo
11:07 AM
Halp. Looking for my motiviation. Last seen at 8pm yesterday.
 
sbi
@Columbo Look, you didn't give us a choice whether we want to suffer the stupidity of your dumb statements. I, however, give you a choice: repeal your nonsense, or be hunted as a stupid asshole by me here in all eternity.
No, how is that for a choice?
What do you mean, such statements could always be twisted to apply to the opposite situation? That's exactly the point of disallowing torture.
 
user1804599
Yummy! Bread with meat!
 
sbi
@Xeo I bet it rolled under the fridge. have you already moved the fridge and to look behind it?
 
@sbi You're just misunderstanding (or I didn't express myself properly). I do not think torture is practical. I also don't think it's ethical (although that impression fades away if talking about terrorism).
However, it appears that the margin of situations I imagined it was useful in doesn't really exist or can't be practically determined, so I guess it really is entirely useless.
 
Xeo
@sbi Haven't been in the kitchen since 7pm yesterday :/
 
11:13 AM
@Columbo The differences between us and the terrorists fade away if talking about terrorism, too, it seems.
 
sbi
@Columbo What good is your ethics if you let it drop the moment someone threatens you? Isn't ethics exactly what ethics were meant to be applied to?
 
user1804599
Hmm, there's this unit "kilovolt - ampere".
 
user1804599
Oh, that is kVA.
 
sbi
@Xeo So you were in the kitchen an hour before you discovered your motivation was missing, and it did not occur to you to look for it in the kitchen? You don't seem to be very motivated to find it, really.
 
@Zoidberg a.k.a. kW
 
11:15 AM
wouldn't that just be kW?
 
Xeo
> Last seen 8pm
So I know it was there at 8pm!
 
@Xeo What are you hoping to be motivated to do?
 
Xeo
@Puppy Continue developing my hobby project
 
do you have any pictures of your motivation?
 
sbi
@Puppy AFAIK kVA is often used for reactive power. ICBWT.
 
11:16 AM
@Xeo What hobby project is that
 
@sbi So you're saying we should not (threaten to?) torture that imaginary terrorist who we know has complices, because we should stay consistent with ethics? It just feels like wasting an opportunity to fight terror, but maybe it could never be reliable in the first place…
 
@Columbo Please stop ignoring my question.
 
@Griwes Huh?
 
Xeo
@Puppy Something remarkably similar to this (I discovered that project yesterday around 8pm :P)
 
@Columbo The starred one?
 
11:20 AM
Because it isn't reliable, and it because it presumes guilt.
 
sbi
@Columbo You want to fight terror by torturing people? Talk about fucking for virginity...
7
 
What do you do if they lie?
Torture them more?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hmm. How do we know they did
 
@Columbo Exactly!
 
can't get appveyor to work, it tries to tell me what is wrong but I don't understand
 
11:21 AM
@sbi Yeah, this idea kinda seems to backfire in hindsight
 
sbi
@Columbo See, only 48hrs later you start to approach the underlying problem...
 
@Xeo "Terrarria's Hookshot- the game!"? I've heard worse ;p
 
Xeo
@Puppy Terraria's and SpeedRunners' grappling hooks were the main inspiration.
The general speedy feel of SpeedRunners too
 
The fundamental problem is no information obtained under pressure is trustworthy.
(One of the reasons such testimonies are discarded in court)
 
@melak47 Looks like installing ad then uninstalling Clang yesterday fucked my GCC install, so anything built with rustc wouldn't compile.
 
11:25 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, confessions are a completely different story and should never be obtained via torture, that's just blatant nonsense.
 
@Columbo There's no difference between "I did it" and "My friend is going to do it" in terms of reliability.
 
No, clearly not.
 
@Xeo Well ya could always lend me a hand with Wide instead
 
Xeo
Not interested
 
user1804599
> A day after Microsoft introduced an innocent Artificial Intelligence chat robot to Twitter it has had to delete it after it transformed into an evil Hitler-loving, incestual sex-promoting, 'Bush did 9/11'-proclaiming robot.
 
user1804599
11:27 AM
lol
 
user1804599
godwinbot
 
11:39 AM
@sbi Is getting derogative in a discussion really better than making dumb statements?
 
sbi
@Columbo So you just learned what your arguments really mean when taken a bit further. Good.
Anyway, I am invited to a Good Friday trout eating, and I need to get going. Bye, folks!
 
Ven
> It turns out that the HandleWrapper class allocates memory, and the debug version of the VC++ 2015 CRT allocations functions call the FlsGetValue function, and FlsGetValue calls SetLastError(0) because it is so incredibly proud that it succeeded.
lol.
 
link?
 
@Mahesha999 This is C, not C++
 
pretty noob stuff maan
 
11:48 AM
that just means we extra don't care
1 message moved to bin
 
Extra ++ doesnt make difference for such noob stuff
 
bad noob questions go on stack overflow where we can downvote them
 
:P
@Mahesha999 Post that in the C room you're in
 
people there are asleep
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
 
11:51 AM
yeah but "convenience store" does not have "retirement fund" as prefix, or else I could have posted it in F# chat room
btw anyone would have resolved that by now... :\
 
we don't have "bad noob questions" as prefix
we have "Lounge" as prefix
 
ok...bye will come back to spam C++ then next time :p
 
good luck
 
@Ven lol
 

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