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12:33 AM
Call me a badlet, but I wish we could: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/f34cf991128403ae
 
yes, you either have unscoped, weakly typed or scoped, strongly typed
one or the other, always found it weird
 
In my case theres no risk of name clashes because all the enums are from OpenGL (which doesnt have namespaces, so they picked unique names for everything)
so I should in theory be fine
i just wanted to add type safety on top of it
 
Parse error
P A R S E E R R O R
P A R E S E E R R O R
Hello.
yacc is breaking my back
Oh.
That's nice.
Ocamldebug can't handle programs that have spaces in their pathname
1960 called: they want their fucking technology back.
Stupid fucking Unix tools.
AND OF COURSE
THIS FUCKING STUPID DEBUGGER
IS A PIECE OF SHIT
BECAUSE I CAN'T PIPE TO STDIN THROUGH ITS SHITTY INTERFACE
But that's okay. It's not over yet. Maybe there's an option...
... No.
No there isn't.
Of course, we didn't cover File I/O in class.
 
1:05 AM
PhD appears to be having a bad time
 
Ven
1:19 AM
He does. :3
 
Maybe we should give him some catfaces to comfort him
:3
 
Ven
He'll surely be pleased. :3
Maybe the catface will spook him :3.
 
:3
Maybe it'll jolt him into finding the problem :3
 
Ven
So how are you doing anyway?
 
I'm doing all right
knitting lots
work's going all right
you?
🐱
 
Ven
1:24 AM
Getting home from the bar. Will watch some RWBY or a tourney and sleep some
It's 2:24 am here :).
 
nice!
:)
Did you get the opportunity to see the newest RWBY theater screening?
...or has that happened yet?
Did you get tickets at least?
 
Ven
Theater screening? :o must not be in paris. I have tons of hardcore fan friends and they didn't tell me about it
 
ah, might not have been outside the US then? I have a friend that was worried there wouldn't be enough ticket purchases at his theater to make the screening happen there. I learned about the screening about a month ago
 
Ven
Aw :(
Sad!
 
:(
I know there's going to be one in NYC. You just need to visit :P
 
Ven
1:30 AM
It's a tad too expensive
 
:P
It also looks like there's some in the UK
wait oh no
:(
> Oct 19
I'm sorry
 
Ven
Y u do dis
 
I'm sorry, I'm so sorry ;_;
...at least you know to look in the future?
winces
 
Ven
That's not the frighten I was expecting ) :
 
 
1 hour later…
2:40 AM
 
faceless kitties :p
 
 
4 hours later…
6:24 AM
the lounge was not on the front page of the chat
:O :O
better change that
 
6:53 AM
dwelling lounge numbers ...
 
7:08 AM
quick question! I have been giving this mfc project with vs 2010 projects to fix bugs in
it takes 15 hours to compile each time
what can I actually do?
 
partial compile during work day, clean & complete compile when you leave work for the day
 
for real?
 
or buy better machine for fast compilation
 
doesn't this happen just because it compiles through backward compability
or something
 
 
2 hours later…
9:04 AM
Someone wants to turn off exceptions in my codebase.
I think the only replacement for all the throw is std::abort.
 
@ThePhD They are wrong
 
That's great but -fnoexceptions exists
 
they are still wrong
exceptions are a valid construct
perhaps you just need to question why they feel the need to remove them from the codebase
 
Doing that is ultimately a waste of time.
Because I'm just going to get some reason that I can't change.
So I have two choice: tell them to fuck off or fix the code.
 
the former
 
nwp
9:12 AM
@ThePhD removing exceptions generally doesn't count as "fixing the code"
 
:I
Alright, so std::abort it is.
tfw std::abort is not constexpr
God I hate constexpr.
 
nwp
What happens when you disable exceptions and throw an exception?
I thought disabling exceptions is basically the same as marking everything noexcept so the program just terminates, in which case you don't need to touch the code.
 
g++ does not honor the throw keyword, and compiler errors everywhere in the program.
VC++ IIRC just makes all of those throws call a special function, whose default behavior is std::terminate ?
 
user1804599
 
Why is std::move not constexpr
Of course it was added in C++14.
"I'm wary of constexpr-ing the stdlib" fuck everyone who said that.
 
9:30 AM
@rightfold yeah. De modekoningen in den Haag hebben besloten dat het "nieuwe PC woord voor Turken, Marokanen, gastarbeiders, buitenlanders...." niet meer PC is.
So weird.
I though it was p. nice that we had started to use CORRECT words
 
user1804599
"buitenlanders" it is, then
 
user1804599
or "werklozen"
 
user1804599
@sehe No, the correct word for those people now is "Nederlanders".
 
tfw you can't use if ( constexpr_function() ) in constexpr.
Oh man.
I do not like C++.
 
user1804599
lol constexpr
 
user1804599
9:41 AM
@Morwenn it is UB to not call a dtor when a program "depends on its side-effects"
 
user1804599
whatever that means
 
user1804599
English is a worst language to define a programming language in.
 
user1804599
Using something ambiguous to define something that must be fully unambiguous.
 
user1804599
-1
Q: Generics with inheritance error

ilan btI have an 2 objects inheriting from the same further. And a Generic object Of the furthers type. I want to save a list of generic object but i get an error. //Error: Cannot convert value of Type Node to expected argument type Node Code: class Pet { } class Cat: Pet { } class Dog: Pet {...

 
user1804599
WTF is "a further"
 
9:51 AM
@sehe that’s what you get for living in a monarchy
 
Xeo
@ThePhD if constexpr (constexpr_fun()) :D
 
@Xeo C++21
 
user1804599
Ugh, minus zero.
 
@LucDanton I assume you meant that as a pun. In which case, well played
@rightfold If only
@rightfold Compilers or interpreters are the creatures to turn ambiguous language into unambiguous bugs
 
user1804599
10:07 AM
Ugh.
 
user1804599
-0.0 evaluates to negative zero in PHP 7, but positive zero in PHP 5.
 
oh no... it appears the builders next door accidentally cut the power to our building... what a shame that we can no longer work now :|
 
user1804599
To get negative zero in PHP 5 you have to do e.g. 0.0 / -1.0.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman How come you cannot work without power?
 
@thecoshman call HR for psychological assistance in your duress
 
Xeo
10:18 AM
@rightfold it's like a fuhrer, but further.
 
user1804599
Literally Hitler.
 
@rightfold not very good on the eyes to work in the dark,,,
 
user1804599
There is a giant ball of burning gas providing you with fucktons of light up the sky.
 
like dark
strictly speaking... the sun isn't burning... is it? Burning is oxidisation, which the sun is not doing, it is fusing atoms...
 
user1804599
10:23 AM
The sun is a ball of lava.
 
@wilx the other ducks are so chill
 
well, you have to define 'burning' first
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
What would happen if a sun made of ice would collide with a normal, lava-made sun? Both suns would be the same size and ice-made sun's temperature would be -1000 degrees of celsius and normal sun's temperature +1000 degrees of celsius.
Would their combined effects cancel each other out so that instead there would be only empty space or one 0-degree sun?
 
nwp
@rightfold y u repost?
 
10:29 AM
I think dry ice would be a better choice
 
what kind of fusion happens on the ice sun?
 
user1804599
@misha130 Fusion of stupidity with sadness.
 
ah, thats pretty cold
 
@StackedCrooked :)
 
oh wtf
@rightfold -1000 degrees top kek
and everyone knows that suns combine multiplicatively
 
10:45 AM
I took my first Uber today
 
so there'd be one -1000000 degree sun
 
it was cool <3
 
@AlexM. -1000 degrees cool?
 
I used to take cabs every day
 
@orlp WTF?
 
10:47 AM
but never again, uber only
 
@AlexM. I will never use Uber on principle. Even if it were cheaper.
 
it wasn't cheaper for me
same price
but leaving aside the nicer drivers and cars that people reported
Uber is willing to invest in autonomous car tech
cab companies aren't even willing to invest in cleaning up their cars
so my support goes to Uber
 
nwp
As a creationist myself, I cannot fathom your comment. Have you actually met people who believe that God created English like it is today? I really don't even see the connection. — mbm29414 18 hours ago
what?
 
other fun fact about cab companies: there's no competition between cab companies
multiple companies always have the same prices
it's obvious that there's a monopoly and new companies are either removed by others or brought down to the standard
also I don't have to worry about needing cash with uber
 
uber might be more convenient for you, but they don't have a moral high ground
 
10:51 AM
things like driver complaining about not having any change are gone
 
they intentionally make losses only to raise prices after getting rid of the competition
it's all shit
 
where did Uber get rid of competition?
because I have a hard time believing a big city lost all of its taxis
lol
if anything Uber is forcing everyone to up their services
this includes cab companies
 
they probably did in some small cities
regardless, they operate on losses right now
 
Uber is not available in small cities
at least not here in Europe
 
btw what happened to your account
 
10:54 AM
"probably"
wouldn't hurt to back claims with facts for a change
 
I thought you had at least some rep
 
nope
I have little rep
 
@wilx If you don't mind me asking, what principle?
 
I've just been reading a lot of discussions about it on hacker news
they're intentionally operating on huge losses
 
yes I don't disagree that Uber operates on losses
 
10:55 AM
what other goals does that have other than to destroy competition?
 
I asked you for facts about them getting rid of competition and increasing their prices
 
@AlexM. Didn't you just say that Uber has the same price too?
 
yeah, it cost me the same as a regular cab
 
user1804599
@sehe douche de gij wellins samen met oewen zuus? He's so many times better than Maarten van Rossum.
 
So now there's competition. It's the same price.
Is that what you're saying?
 
10:57 AM
sure there's competition
 
@AlexM. This is actually kinda shitty, because it'll fuck over the people that have been propping them up, the drivers.
As much as I am for self-driving cars, switching to them will be a dick move from Uber.
 
it'll take a while before self driving cars will be able to drive without a driver, so I wouldn't worry if I was the current gen of drivers
 
to be honest, in 20-30 years taxi cab driver is a job that won't exist in western countries anymore
 
as for the next generations, job markets change
inventions obsolete jobs etc
always happened, always will
 
a friend of mine was thinking of becoming a truck driver
I already told him he shouldn't because that job will be gone fairly soon
 
11:00 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes there's more than price to competition
 
@orlp I'm actually surprised this isn't where autonomous vehicles are all the rage.
 
comfort, driver quality, and promotions
uber has promotions with free rides whenever there's an event in the city
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, they will be
that's the first place they'll get deployed on a massive scale
 
For some value of massive.
 
of course
for large enough values of 1, 1=2
 
11:02 AM
I'm not so sure.
 
I'd argue that the US is closer at the moment to deploying self driving trucks
Uber already field-tested some
Tesla is US-based etc
tho Tesla != self driving trucks
 
See, some countries are already past field-testing these things.
 
I mean, let's say you're US based and doing inter-state transport over long distances
 
You can ride self-driving cabs in Singapore.
Right now.
 
how much does it cost to employ 10,000 truck drivers for 30 years
 
11:03 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes so can in the US :P
 
and how much does it cost to build a private road only for autonomous trucks?
 
either Uber or Lyft have some
> Uber launches first self-driving taxi fleet in US
Ride-hailing group to have dozens of autonomous cars operating in Pittsburgh by year-end https://www.ft.com/content/bd0f43fe-7a2a-11e6-ae24-f193b105145e
 
@AlexM. There's a difference between that and using the drivers to get rid of them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes there will always be drivers until cars become driverless
 
11:08 AM
@AlexM. I don't see how that changes what I said.
 
it doesn't
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they should abide by the same rules as taxi do.
 
I don't see it as being a problem as you do
 
And if you think this won't happen to this generation of drivers, you either think that they're older than they are, or you think that it will happen later than it will.
 
all Tesla drivers contribute to making themselves obsolete
because by driving themselves they feed data to Tesla
to improve their AI
 
11:09 AM
@AlexM. They don't contribute by working for Tesla.
 
it doesn't change anything
 
Driving a Tesla is not their way of making a life.
And Uber actually markets the driver side like that.
 
it doesn't matter
are you arguing that it's immoral or something
I don't see your point aside from it being immoral
and if it's immoral it's just from your point of view
 
user1804599
@AlexM. only their driving skills, not themselves
 
11 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
As much as I am for self-driving cars, switching to them will be a dick move from Uber.
 
11:10 AM
ok, I don't agree with that
take for example the drivers in Pittsburgh who oversee the self-driving cabs
do you think they're not aware that they'll become obsolete?
yet they do it
 
Did I mention the way Uber markets itself to drivers?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uber being dicks? No way
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, I still don't see how it changes anything
are you arguing that Uber should stop giving money to its drivers because in the future they won't be needed?
(I don't see your point)
 
@AlexM. This is a very small number of people in a pilot program.
 
pun intended?
 
11:13 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, it doesn't change anything
please make your point if it's different from "I think what Uber does is immoral"
 
And the fact that people know they'll be out of a job soon doesn't really make them not take it.
 
I think I said enough
 
yes, I think you did
 
there's no end to "what I believe is right" vs "what you believe is right" discussions
 
I believe being a dick is wrong.
There, ended.
 
11:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sometimes, being a dick to a cunt is right.
 
I found an OECD report that says cab fares in Romania are regulated.
 
we shall never know if the pun was intended
 
@GundolfGundelfinger You shall, if you are told!
 
In fact, that report says that the laws are of an anti-competitive nature oecd.org/regreform/sectors/41472612.pdf.
Those evil cab companies with no competition.
Price regulation is actually rather common.
 
11:38 AM
thanks for the link, TIL
 
(They probably tanked for other reasons, and Uber just drove the last nail)
 
can't know for sure without data from the company and honesty
not saying Uber did not cause it but if they're going down it costs nothing to blame it on them
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uber is all about dick moves, by making it's employees 'contractors' they are in-eligible to unionize
 
waiting for self piloting ultralight helicopters
because 3d is much easier to avoid collision than 2d
 
@Telkitty Are you sure? It seems order of magnitude more complex if you have thick traffic.
 
11:51 AM
faster vehicles need to fly higher
lifting/landing zones are the ones one should concern in regards to collision
 
all this talk about self driving cars and aircraft
and no mention of self driving boats! theverge.com/2016/9/19/12968420/…
or is it self-sailing
 
self walking dogs for the win!
oops but dogs aren't made by man
 
@Mgetz Yeah, this would just be the last of a long string of dick moves.
@Mgetz Though regular cab companies also switched to this model, no?
Or at least some of them.
@Telkitty Not if you funnel everyone to the same place to land.
In case it's not clear, collisions happen when two vehicles would be in the same place at the same time.
 
slower planes could land in places similar to carparks while as fast and medium speed ones could land in air strip with air control
air control could be computerized
 
Everything you're saying is a waste unless for some reason lifting the vehicles is more efficient than keeping them grounded.
 
12:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes an no, technically cab operators are independent. However in most places they are also unionized or have the hackney commission to protect them
 
Whatever scheme you come up to make it safer can potentially be applied to grounded vehicles.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not more efficient but it eases traffic jams
 
haha self flying lightweight helicopters, sounds cool but I'm not sure the very few people who can afford a personal helicopter
 
@Telkitty It just replaces them with air traffic jams, no?
 
would benefit that much
 
12:04 PM
Traffic jams are solved by removing the humans from the driver seats.
 
did you guys read about those lifeguards who use drones
that was the most inventive and simple way to use a drone I've ever seen haha
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no - because 3d means more vehicle travelling in the same direction on different heights
 
@Telkitty If you can coordinate them so.
 
basically when someone is drowning they put the lifebelt on the drone and the drone flies above the drowning person
and drops the lifebelt
 
But coordination is not a property intrinsic to air traffic.
 
12:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's like having different lanes, but on vertical levels ... as well as horizontal ones
 
I think this is what I read a while ago but I can't spend too much time doing srs googling
I like how useful and efficient it is for such a simple concept
 
@AlexM. I hope they also run along, though.
 
run along?
 
To the person in danger.
 
aah you mean the lifeguards
 
12:09 PM
Right.
 
I'd expect them to, tho it should be possible for said drowning person to swim to the shore on their own once they are able to float
wouldn't exactly count on that though, especially if they panic
and they might also have other reasons for drowning like not being able to swim anymore because of something like a stretched muscle (can you get a bad enough case?)
 
@Telkitty Unfortunately, traffic jams most often occur at the choke points, so more lanes is useless for that without the coordination.
 
so you definitely need human help in some cases, unless you can have the drone pull you towards the shore
but that'd likely require a way stronger drone
 
It's the coordination that removes the traffic jams (hence why removing humans from the driver seat solves the problem).
 
show her the gif
let me see if I can find the gif
I found it in video form
that's basically self-driving car coordination in an intersection
some factors that contribute against making it be common even if fully self driving cars are a thing are pedestrians and people riding bikes
(bicycles)
 
I haven't seen any self-driving motorcycles yet and remember reading somewhere that no company is currently trying to get one out of the door
@R.MartinhoFernandes LOL that looks scary
 
@AlexM. I'm guessing because no one wants to take on the responsibility yet. It's much easier to make a car safe.
 
good point
 
I can see a lot of ways for the rider to cause trouble.
While if you're inside the car, you're essentially in a cage and can't do anything to hurt yourself.
@AlexM. I'd imagine large intersections would become pedestrian-free zones (and bicycles too), like highways.
 
Xeo
Something for the robot: cubes.io
 
12:24 PM
@AlexM. If it's really important for pedestrians to be there, there will probably be a lot more investment in over-/under-passes.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion I don't get it
 
So you'll have fenced intersections with ramps for pedestrians to cross over.
I also expect a lot more roads in cities to become closed to cars.
I'm also wondering if it will be worth having super fast mass transport rings that almost never stop (thus making them more efficient) and use self-driving cars to bring load and unload passengers.
So you have a super fast train going around in circles non-stop between two cities, or around a big city, whatever an appropriately efficient scale is. When it nears a loading/unloading point (maybe one per city, or more or less depending on scale), it slows down a bit and there's a fleet of self-driving cars that speed up to dock with it, and load/unload passengers, and then drive them to their final destination.
So you catch a cab directly to the train, and leave the train in a cab.
 
imagine a train (or rapid transit) station platform, but filled with cars instead of people
 
12:39 PM
Maybe you can just load the cars directly onto the train if it's safer/more efficient. There's a lot of variations I can think of, but the basic idea of non-stop large scale rapid transit seems really attractive to me.
I expect self-driving monocars to became trivially cheap.
> attempting to raise the fee to €1 cent per stream.
 
> Now i can listen to Darude - Sandstorm when i want so sick.
 
"€1 cent" is a terrible way to write "€0.01".
 
nwp
it is generally weird to write the unit in front of the number
 
Spoken like a true Frenchman.
 
nwp
do people do that for anything except currency?
apparently it is the £sd system
 
12:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's the benefit?
slowing down and starting is the bottleneck?
 
nwp
no wonder it is a bit trippy
 
(fuel (includes electricity) consumption wise)
 
@AlexM. Of this specific variation or of the whole thing?
 
of the idea of a vehicle that never stops yea
what's the gain vs a train that stops for people to unload
for example
(I'd find it less scary to stop and let me get in a self driven car than doing it at once but that's just me :P )
 
Stopping and starting is very inefficient. The less the change in the speed, the more efficient it is.
Static friction is (always?) higher than dynamic friction, so coming to a full stop is worse than just slowing down to a crawl.
(Of course whether the whole thing is worth depends on the exact differences, which is we can't really know)
 
12:58 PM
I think scariness will be a decision factor for sure
I always feel uneasy moving from car to car while the train is rolling
lol
 
@AlexM. I guess that's not a problem with the variant where you load the cars directly.
 
yeah the cars getting on the train sounds good
 

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