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12:10 AM
Hi
 
Ven
hi
 
hi
 
Hi
 
Hi++;
 
12:17 AM
for (user u : room) { std::cout << "Hi\n"; } std::cout << std::endl;
 
Ven
@Aaron3468 don't say hi to me or my copies ever again!
 
lol
 
I'm so falling asleep .___.
Bye.
 
Ven
bai
 
12:23 AM
bai boi
 
@Morwenn nn
 
:3
 
@Morwenn 'night
 
@Ven well played
 
12:40 AM
if I ask a question here, does the code sample used for the question have the color used in such IDEs like visual studio?
 
@NathanDrieling no, it will be horribly formatted too.
 
;p
well that kinda sucks
 
@NathanDrieling That's a feature. not a bug.
 
> Got tired of having my necro look spoooky so I turned him into a pirate.
@GundolfGundelfinger necros, lots of necros
 
@NathanDrieling Use pastebin or a similar service to host your code. If it's available on github, that works as well. I highly recommend having a small snippet that reproduces the issue rather than just giving all the code at once.
 
12:47 AM
@NathanDrieling if you screenshot from IDEs like visual studio, then yes
 
@LucDanton Salad + Arah set still best
 
@Aaron3468 well unfortunately I dont really have github. Plus I am almost done with the question.. So I might as well post all the code in order to best reproduce it.
@Telkitty how does one take a screenshot of the IDE like visual studio?
 
screenshot (press PrtScn button on windows keyboard), cut to size (size of your code)
 
Don't you have a phone with a camera
 
@GundolfGundelfinger +1. That makes it easier to OCR as well.
 
1:00 AM
here's a nice song
 
@NathanDrieling pastebin is your friend. Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, pastebin.com, Ctrl+V, then mess with settings, create new paste, and share the link
 
do I make the paste public or unlisted?
 
Unlisted usually, so that it isn't searchable
 
ok
because I just dont wanna get downvotes ;p
 
@NathanDrieling You can usually get away with 20-40 lines directly in an SO question. Pastebin is a lifesaver when you want to ask in chat, and that's why I assumed you were asking.
 
1:12 AM
American election 2016 - rising of the attention whores
I mean, nobody knew who Comey was until he did a what Julian Assange did - trying to steal spotlight from Trump
 
@Aaron3468 should I post the text file to test the code In the pastebin or SO?
 
@NathanDrieling Try finding a few stackoverflow questions, looking at how they're asked, their upvotes, and the comments and decide if the code they've included is enough, too much, or too little. It's not a question I can answer for you.
 
1:36 AM
@Aaron3468 ok I posted the question in case you would like to give it a shot. stackoverflow.com/questions/40335491/…
it basically has to do with what I talked about with you yesterday or so. Its about a linked list. I made the list, printed the list, then I am trying to traverse the list and delete bad data, and print the list again.
 
Still on that linked list question >_< ... that wasn't yesterday but some 2-3 days ago ...
@NathanDrieling also you can use coliru.stacked-crooked.com
 
2:01 AM
@Aaron3468 @Telkitty use pastin they said. You wont get downvotes they said.
 
@NathanDrieling That wasn't all I said. It was all you heard ;)
 
@Aaron3468 Thanks Mr. Anime avatar person. ;p that was very insightful.
 
you're welcome
 
hmm now I feel that SO has either failed me or I am just terrible at asking questions, even though I read how to ask good questions. geez
or people are mean.. that too
 
2:30 AM
Hi everyone. Is anyone know how i can pickup edge and vertex from mesh in opengl c++?
 
It's not personal. SO has much higher standards than you're probably acquainted with, so it can be a bit of an adjustment. After all, people come here for quality questions and answers for professionals. Stick around a little while and you'll begin to see that the way the site is has its own perks that don't come from forums/hobby websites. @NathanDrieling
 
@Aaron3468 look at you with your tact
 
:3
 
@Aaron3468 pastebin is G A R B A G E
Use GH Gist
 
Hello everyone.
 
2:53 AM
What the difference between these two? paste.ofcode.org/hnfQVSBfZ6PsJiZq2ktB6s When is one preferred over the other?
 
maybe it's a new/less known thing
 
3:14 AM
@LuisAverhoff The second one is a reference. It depends on what behaviour you need, although references tend to be quite helpful to avoid copying data everywhere
 
Thanks
 
3:31 AM
@Aaron3468 Hey Aaron, I made a question on code review on my implementation of adajency list. It's in C but I would like it if you took a look codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/142444/…
 
 
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4:47 AM
What is the meaning of the two const keyword here? const std::vector<std::string> copy_edges() const;
 
why don't you google that
perhaps try "const in return type of function C++" and "const following member function declaration C++"
 
20
Q: Duplicate const qualifier allowed in C but not in C++?

Prasoon SauravSample code snippet const const const int x = 10; int main() {} gets compiled in C but not in C++. Why does it get compiled in C? I thought this would fail in C as well. Never mind. Which part of the C++ Standard forbids the use of duplicate const and which part of the C standard allows th...

 
 
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6:51 AM
@LuisAverhoff const return values are rather unusual these days, as they inhibit move semantics.
 
7:35 AM
@LuisAverhoff could be worse: const std::vector<std::string> copy_edges(const &it) const;
each const implies const for one thing, but those things are not referring to the same thing
hope this confuses you more
 
 
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8:39 AM
People can whine all they want but threads like this do amuse me, and it's informative to a degree twitter.com/baddestmamajama/status/792524452676243456
 
@Morwenn I guess it's supposed to be a measurement of relative skill, obviously broken. Never quite understood how it works, but it's clearly bs
 
8:54 AM
TL;DR: new Mercedes cars will play a noise right before a collision that triggers a muscle reflex that protects your ear against the upcoming loud noise of impact.
 
whether your ear is relaxed is often of least concern during an accident
 
Hearing loss after accidents is not uncommon.
 
most accidents are fairly small
for accidence that could causing hearing loss, those are usually companied by more severe consequences
 
In case it's not clear: the cars will have safety features other than playing pink noise.
 
9:14 AM
Oo, BTW, there is no mod or CM on this chat @ moment. It's of no relevance but I thought I might just state the fact ...
 
Sup guise
 
10:01 AM
ok .. might have to speed up my app maintenance coz 2 apps removed from market
 
nwp
@Telkitty isn't it great to have people tell you what you can and cannot do with your app?
 
10:24 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I like the idea.
 
my new tablet made a sound, scared the heck out of me because I wasn't even aware that it's on
apparently I turned it on a few days ago ...
but since it's new, I didn't recognize the sound
 
Buys tablet. Doesn't even consciously turn it on. #firstworldproblems
 
my test machine
it's for work not pleasure </make_me_sound_better>
 
Eh, I'm asked to submit a patch to libc++.
 
10:40 AM
Troll: submit a patch to change indentation to tabs
 
That's evil.
 
You provided very little context :) I thought a joke was in order.
And sorting results in things that are in order
 
:p
It was about a small std::inplace_merge optimization, that one time where I solved a problem with __builtin_unreachable.
 
Cooool
 
I steal code everywhere, so when I find an improvement that seems non-controversial, I try to contribute back.
 
10:42 AM
They are fast on their feet. That was ~10 days ago IIRC
 
I sent a mail to the Clang mailing list 4~5 ago describing the optimization, how failed dramatically at first, and how it ended improving things in the end.
 
> Where Do SJWs Come From? - YouTube — This is very interesting interview (minus the horrible sound and camera work).
 
10:56 AM
best app/os
Cockroaches have excellent senses that allow them to seek out food, monitor for predators and survive in a generally hostile world filled with animal predators and human enemies. They do not, however, have ears. Instead of hearing, they rely on a variety of other methods to interact with the world around them.
Cockroaches have no ears ...
 
Checking out llvm + clang is long...
 
Ell
yep
use --depth=1 :D
unless you want to hack on it ofc
 
nwp
11:27 AM
@Morwenn if you use git to clone the svn repository it will probably take years
 
@nwp ...there's an actual, honest to God git mirror.
 
@nwp Especially considering that I only had to checkout the libcxx repository.
I used the git mirror, so it was ok.
 
nwp
I think git checks out every svn version available to produce a proper tree, and there are a lot of commits. I gave up after a couple of hours or so when it arrived at commit 100.
 
Fortunately, it wasn't that long: my patch is alreadyready.
 
nwp
I wonder if git handles a checkout correctly where the files already exist.
 
11:33 AM
@nwp Define correctly.
 
nwp
cool, I should probably switch then
 
neat, deduction guides look to be in GCC 7, I should find the time to play with that
 
nwp
This should totally compile. Why do I have to count the highest number of characters +1 manually?
 
Man, GUI code sucks.
 
That's probably why it's often partly generated.
 
11:57 AM
@nwp git-svn does
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Welcome to my world.
 
12:33 PM
@nwp Just do this:
const char * const strings[] = {
“hello”,
“world”,
};
Ouch, sorry for the quotes. I have to restart Firefox to disable this plugin.
 
 
nwp
@wilx yeah, that is better
> const char * const * const selectable_strings;
fun with C
 
12:52 PM
what is my favorite lounge doing this day
 
Appropriation!
 
you're mine, sehe, always were
you just didn't know it :>
I came back from the dentist, it was as unpleasant as I expected it to be :(
on the bright side it was a good occasion to shave and dress nicely
 
Ell
you dress up for the dentist? :P
 
yea I took my new pretty clothes
 
@Xeo say, do you have an opinion on what e.g. std::tuple { 0, i } should deduce to?
 
1:00 PM
@Ell it's not the first time I go and sometimes I don't have time to get myself to look ok
but it makes a difference
ppl today can be described as very eager to say hi to me while passing by lol
overcrowded KFC with pissed off cashiers => not pissed off at me tho
 
cuz ur hot
 
ikr
if only it didn't take time to do it :<
 
@LucDanton lol that second comment
 
@GundolfGundelfinger what about it?
it’s not OP
 
Xeo
1:35 PM
@LucDanton std::tuple<int, std::decay_t<decltype(i)>> ?
basically a make_tuple, no?
 
codewars.com added Swift, F# and Rust as beta languages
neat
 
1:59 PM
@Xeo it looks like it’s a make_tuple, and it’s probably for the best
btw generic aggregates don’t get default deduction guides :(
 
2:12 PM
@LucDanton Oh man, I am falling behind in my C++ knowledge even more than I was…
What is deduction guides?
 
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@sehe ;_;
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm. Is that actually feasible?
 
TIL: Left shifting any negative signed integer in C++ is UB even if it doesn't overflow. Fuck.
 
@Xeo e.g. template<typename X, typename Y> simple_pair_aggregate(X&&, Y&&) -> simple_pair_aggregate<std::decay_t<X>, std::decay_t<Y>>; gives you make_* behaviour (off the top of my head, not checked)
it should work because the deduction guides are for selecting the template arguments before initialization
 
Xeo
2:19 PM
@Mysticial wait. when do negative integers not overflow on being left-shifted? like, doesn't the sign bit immediately overflow unless you shift by 0?
 
(cos you can’t perform e.g. overload resolution on constructors if you don’t have selected a specialization, duh)
 
Xeo
@LucDanton hmm, so you could still do aggregate init with guided deduction?
 
@Xeo I always thought it was a multiply by power-of-two.
GCC doesn't seem to warn against it.
 
@Xeo that’s the idea--I don’t recall proposal discussions but I assume settling on a particular default was too ambitious a shed to paint, so they left it at that
 
Xeo
maybe
 
2:21 PM
IOW, there's no standard compliant way to left-shift a signed integer that doesn't invoke at least IB. (int)((unsigned)x << bits); is as close at it gets without doing something retarded like a lookup table for multiplication.
 
Xeo
deduction guides feel a bit like type-level ctors.
 
heh
 
That basically means half my code is broken. And if I didn't use unsigned types as much as I normally do, it'd be 100% of my code.
 
ducttape guides
 
deducttape guides
:D
 
Xeo
2:24 PM
they're more like WD-40 than duct tape - they make you types flow more smoothly.
 
user1804599
Ugh no 4G under ground
 
user1804599
Only crappy slow 3G
 
@Xeo Yup. And then they slip your fingers
 
user1804599
Ik wil kansspelbelasting op zwartrijboetes.
 
Galgje aan het spelen?
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
XD
 
user1804599
Nice long words
 
user1804599
Easy to guess.
 
Xeo
Guuuh, I'm too smart for our iOS compiler.
Hm. Or maybe it's ambiguous in the standard.
GCC and MSVC compile it fine, Clang barfs
 
> iOS compiler
Interesting
 
2:57 PM
meh, I might be forced to use xcode again soon
da luv
 
Xeo
clang suxx cc @Luc
 
spent a few days on company tax return
sadness
why, life, u r treating me so bad lately ...
I think I might be back to my normal happy self again soon - when I don't have to hang around with so many people for so long again ...
 
The error message is absurdly nonsensical. :D
 
3:16 PM
@Griwes Many are. Quite a few compiler writers labor under the misapprehension that their primary job is to translate correct input to the best possible output. In reality, 99% of the time a compiler is run, it's to diagnose the problems in bad input. As such, the best possible error messages should be treated as its primary output, and generated code as an almost incidental by-product.
 
@Adjit No, that's way too specific. What to take away is that anything that causes the flow of execution to conditionally change is subject to a performance penalty due to branch misprediction. This includes if-statements, loop-conditions, switches, ternary operators, short-circuiting boolean logic, calls to function pointers, calls to lambdas, calls to virtual/polymorphic methods, etc... (The last 3 of these aren't related to branch-prediction per se, but the same concept applies in that the processor doesn't "know where to go" next.) — Mysticial 4 mins ago
^^ Did I miss anything?
 
nwp
@Mysticial indexing
 
@Mysticial An unconditional call to a normal lambda shouldn't be a problem. By the time it's executing, it's just a normal function call (or not--it has a a better probability than most of being generated inline).
 
@nwp As in array access? array[i]
 
nwp
@Mysticial yup
 
3:18 PM
@nwp No branches there. It's just a dereference with offset.
 
@JerryCoffin the context is the branching question ("railroad answer")
 
@nwp I don't see anything there unless you're going bounds checking (in which case, it's most reasonable to look at the code for the bounds-checked indexing operator).
 
@JerryCoffin But it doesn't know which instance of the lambda to call.
 
nwp
for some reason people think doing int i = array[array[array[array[42]]]]; somehow doesn't have any issues with branching
 
1
Q: C++ Container for high performance FIFO

DannyI need to optimize some legacy code and am fairly new to C++. The code does network packet processing in two threads, one thread pushing packets to a FIFO [topupBuffer] and the other thread reading from the queue and sending them out an IP socket [writeToIPOutput]. The legacy code uses std::dequ...

 
3:19 PM
@Mysticial TLB misses. where it doesn't know where to load from / store to
 
/cc @Mysticial @StackedCrooked ;)
 
@doug65536 I consider that more of a cache thing than a processor thing.
 
nwp
and then invent "branchless sort" which has exactly the same branching issues any other sort has
 
@Mysticial Point is that you're either dealing with conditional code inside the lambda, or else conditional code to pick the lambda to call, or a pointer to a lambda. With any of them, it's the control mechanism that leads up to the lambda invocation that causes the misprediction. The lambda call itself is no different from calling any other overloaded operator().
 
@JerryCoffin Isn't a lambda just a function pointer? (which may or may not be optimized into a direct call)
 
3:22 PM
@nwp Perhaps because it doesn't? Nested that deeply it's likely to lead to some cache misses, but not to branch misprediction (unless, as already noted, one or more of those [] is really an overloaded operator that itself includes some conditional execution).
 
@nwp you can make the comparison callback branchless in standard algorithms. that helps
 
nwp
@JerryCoffin Maybe it is not called branching, but the core problem of having to have finished executing the current operation to be able to continue and thus breaking pipelining persists.
 
@Mysticial No. It creates an object with an overloaded operator(), which is normally invoked directly. A stateless lambda (one that doesn't capture anything) does also include an operator to convert to a pointer to function, but using it is relatively unusual.
@nwp The same is true of a + b + c.
 
nwp
@JerryCoffin not if the next statement doesn't depend on the result, which it usually doesn't
 
@nwp All the usual rules for OoO execution apply equally to both.
 
@JerryCoffin I think my concept of lambda came from my C# days. Where a lambda was just an object with a function pointer and some captured state.
 
instead of cmp jcc, it uses bitmasks and setcc
 
@Mysticial Ah, that would explain things. Yeah C# (like Java before it) certainly has a tendency toward pointers, pointers everywhere.
 
@sehe By the way, Emacs has daemon mode - you can have several clients / frames (GUI window, terminal) attached to single daemon session, all share open files, clipboard ring, global variables and stuff like this. After network drop you can reconnect to daemon and restore frames (even without need for screen/tmux).
 
@nwp There's a difference between dependency of instructions and dependency of flow.
 
3:34 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk Ah yes, so basically emacs is like systemd - pulling all the features from other programs into itself for no good reason? :D
 
nwp
@Mysticial I need to look into that more. I would have expected that this comes down to which instructions the compiler chooses to implement branches with, thus it is not my problem, but apparently I'm wrong.
 
@nwp a major factor is how predictable the branches are. sort comparisons are completely unpredictable. you mispredict about 50%
jump-to-the-top loop branches are almost perfectly predictable, with sufficient iterations
 
Ell
@Griwes emacs existed before the other programs did :P
 
@Ell Ah - so you're saying that it's merely a failure to apply separation of concepts?
Either way it looks bad. :D
 
@Griwes There is a reason for this - easy scripting and hacking new features within internal ecosystem - that why it tries to pull different features into internal ecosystem. For instance recently it integrated WebKit:
 
Ven
3:38 PM
wxWidgets ftw :). Much better than eww
 
feature creep
 
1 message moved to bin
 
Ell
@Griwes I'm not saying that :P
 
Ven
@Griwes emacs is an OS. Does tiling and all. You just need to integrate vim to get a good text editor :)
 
If I wanted, I can make a vim plugin that just does xdg-open and opens the page in an actual browser.
 
3:39 PM
@doug65536 ...where "sufficient" is usually "any more than 1". Even with the simplistic branch prediction of the original Pentium, a backward jump would be predicted taken on the first iteration.
 
Ell
But you need a lisp machine somewhere :V
 
(And the webkit nonsense doesn't work over ssh either way.)
 
Ven
No but the rest does
 
@JerryCoffin yes, assuming you don't alias any existing prediction data. what you said is almost 100% true though
 
Frankly just jumping to a browser window and typing stuff there is more convenient.
@Ell I don't need no lisp machines.
@Ven Exactly what I'm saying! Feature creep :D
 
Ell
3:41 PM
@Griwes to reuse the emacs stuff I mean
 
Or, to put it differently: there's no reason for it to exist, since I already have an OS, and a window manager that does tiling for me. :P
 
Ell
@Griwes but they didn't then :P
Rewind time
You have a text terminal
 
(And working over just text-mode SSH - because I want it to be reasonably fast - doesn't break my workflow!)
 
Ell
There is no existing tiling manager is there?
 
nwp
@Ell you don't have to keep living in the past you know
 
3:43 PM
@Ell Yes - a reasonable person knowing the Unix philosophy writes a program that does tiling in a text terminal when confronted with that problem.
And then a separate program that does editing.
And a separate program that's a web browser.
 
@doug65536 I'd be interested to hear how you think my statement was incorrect even a tiny fraction of the time (unless you're talking about: "on a CPU so old it doesn't have branch prediction at all").
 
Ell
@Griwes how would that work?
 
So that people can cherry-pick the specific features and just compose them with other things.
@Ell Tmux.
 
Ell
Use tmux then vOv
 
I don't need a lisp machine to implement tmux.
 
3:44 PM
@JerryCoffin the history for another branch could affect this branch. it doesn't perfectly track the address right? kind of like a set conflict
 
@Griwes This "philosophy" does not always work well - sometimes one big app is better than many smalls. Even simple commands like ls or find are not completely orthogonal. Well, even tar knows about compression.
 
@Ell We're in the present, though, and my whole point is that emacs should just be dropped, and alternatives that don't suffer from feature creep and lack of understanding of the single responsibility principle should be used instead.
 
Ell
@Griwes tmux doesn't support a serial console actually
@Griwes why drop it and reimplement things?
I guess you think IDEs are a waste also
 
lol using tiling over serial console
 
Ell
Mate
 
3:45 PM
serial console is for when things are on fire
 
Ell
You just said you wanted to tile
 
@Ell yes
@Ell In normal workflow, yes. I'm not developing programs over serial console.
 
@Griwes Tmux + Vim is exactly demonstration of fact that one program like Emacs is better - you don't have to integrate Tmux and Vim clipboards, hotkeys, etc - all works just out of box.
 
Ell
Also suggesting to drop emacs implies you think the majority is reimplementing other things
@Griwes I'm telling you why emacs implemented tiling
 
@Ell ...because of serial consoles?
 
Ell
3:46 PM
Because it didn't exist at the time
 
So... you're saying its existence is warranted by <historical reason A> and <historical reason B>, and it should be dropped as an obsolete piece of software handling obsolete cases?
 
Ell
@Griwes no :P
Tiling in emacs existed because of historical reason A
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk I'll tell you when I actually truly need any of that. (But please don't wait for it, otherwise you'll deadlock.)
 
@doug65536 First of all, that wouldn't render it incorrect since I said "usually". Second, no I don't think that can happen anyway. In all the designs I know in any detail, the branch prediction data is stored in the I$ right along with the cached instructions.
 
Ell
Yes you can use tmux now
Or i3, etc.
What's the issue? I don't get it
 
3:48 PM
The issue is that emacs isn't considered obsolete already. :P
 
Ell
Dropping the whole of emacs because of tiling is stupid
@Griwes why would it be?
 
Okay, so what's the selling point of emacs?
 
@Griwes Vim users actually do (have to do) such kind of stuff.
 
@Griwes The real issue is that emacs ever existed at all.
 
(Currently, not 30 or 40 years ago.)
@JerryCoffin That's what I'm getting at!
6 mins ago, by Griwes
@Ell Yes - a reasonable person knowing the Unix philosophy writes a program that does tiling in a text terminal when confronted with that problem.
 
Ell
3:49 PM
@Griwes there are lots of useful existing modes for it
It is an editor with lots of features
 
lol
 
Ell
You can edit files. Its a text editor?
I don't know what you want really
What's the selling point of vim?
 
Almost all emacs users I've spoken to have said that emacs is everything but an editor. lol
 
Ell
Or whatever text editor you use
 
Vim is an editor. It does one thing.
 
Ell
3:50 PM
@Griwes its a j o k e
 
@Ell And Vim has tilling too, but limited - no builtin terminal, etc.
 
Ell
Its also not an operating system if you didn't guess
 
Emacs is a tiling manager, plus apparently a web browser, plus a vi emulation environment, plus <...>.
 
@JerryCoffin I only meant to express that you can't 100% assume backwards branches are always predicted taken. when intel emails me their HDL, I'll know for sure
 
@Griwes emacs predates unix (was originally on TOPS-10, if memory serves).
 
3:51 PM
@JerryCoffin That's just another reason to ditch it. ;P
 
@Griwes Nope, it also pulls different non-editor features, but reluctantly.
 
@Ell How many people actually use emacs without evil mode?
 
Ell
@Griwes well vim is a text editor plus a terminal emulator plus a tilig manager etc. Etc. Just the same as emacs is
Just not as powerful
@Griwes I have no idea
 
@Ell How is vim a terminal emulator?
 
Ell
I'd say the majority of emacs users
@Griwes conq or w/e its called
 
3:52 PM
since it is okay for branch prediction to be imperfect, it would be wasteful to make it perfect
 
@doug65536 The branch prediction mechanism of the Pentium was documented in pretty serious detail, and deviations between the documentation and the implementation (there's at least one pretty well known one) are well known. If there was an exception to this rule, I feel reasonably certain that it'd be fairly well known by now.
 
Sure, I've seen a plugin to have a terminal emulator in a split, but that hardly makes it a vim feature.
 
Ell
And also yes there is a web browser plugin for vim
Its obsolete! It doesn't follow UNIX philosophy!
 
@Ell Which proves my point about emacs not being an editor and just a vi emulation environment. :P
 
Ell
Get rid of it!
 
3:53 PM
just like caches: a waste to make a fully associative cache. better to make imperfect cache and use more space for data and less for address comparison
 
@Ell plugin != core functionality
lol
 
Ell
are you kidding me
 
@Griwes At least IMO, mere age isn't a good reason to ditch it. Its design is an entirely sufficient reason all by itself though.
 
@Griwes NeoVim has terminal inside, because it is better than Tmux, and people want it. Also I heard that there are plans for terminal within Vim.
 
Ell
@Griwes everything in emacs is a "plugin"
 
3:54 PM
@EvgenyPanasyuk IDGAS about neovim, since it'll die soon now that Vim 8 exists. :P
 
@Griwes Yes, Vim pulls features from NeoVim like async stuff. Most likely it will pull terminal also.
 
@Ell Is the webkit thing bundled together with emacs, or do you have to go out of your way to install it? Is it developed in upstream, or as 3rd party?
 
Ell
@Griwes I don't know, I don't use it
also why does that matter?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk If it does so then I will argue against doing that because it's retarded, same I do with emacs here. vOv
 
Ell
Vim comes with plugins on installation right
 
3:56 PM
no
 
Ell
It doesn't make them any less plugins
 
my understanding was that they use an approximate address for the branches, so it could alias another instruction, but it won't matter, since once it is in a loop that problem fixes itself. maybe I was misinformed
 
no it doesn't
 
Ell
@Griwes it cant do syntax highlighting on installation?
 
@EvgenyPanasyuk one of many reasons to use emacs
 
3:56 PM
Until 8.0 patch 003 or something, it didn't even come with a default config that disabled vi emulation!
@Ell It can, but that's not a plugin, that's a core editor feature!
 
Ell
@Griwes good separation of concerns right
how do you add more languages?
You modify the core?
 
Ven
@Griwes 99.999% of users
 
Syntax highlighting belongs in the core of an editor, lol.
@Ell lol obviously no
You provide config files.
 
Ell
Please stop putting "lol" everywhere
 
That describe the syntax for the language.
 
Ell
3:58 PM
Its making me angry
 
lol don't get angry, bby <3
 
Ell
I'm out vOv
 
Ven
lol
 
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