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9:00 PM
The plot thickens. I lost __if_exists for a more generic solution akin to potatoswatter's compile time counter, only using martinho's select_overload
 
@Mr.kbok talk dirty to me
 
I really feel like I'm using old parts from another car :P
 
anyway it works in VC, gcc and clang, and probably the other VCs I want to target, too. (if it doesn't, I can still use the old solution)
 
that's how it works building old cars! too bad I can't speak for coding lol
 
9:02 PM
@Nooble That's standard-notation for compiler reserved
 
don't be angry
 
@Mr.kbok I know. But people use it D:
 
double underscore uppercase _t
 
@JonathanMusso you should probably not use old parts too much :)
@Nooble #ifndef __MY_AWESOME_HEADER_FILE_INCLUDED_CUE_GUID_d44473ed_1148_4a51_8d1d_0eec1bbe1ec3__
#define __MY_AWESOME_HEADER_FILE_INCLUDED_CUE_GUID_d44473ed_1148_4a51_8d1d_0eec1bbe1ec3__
etc.
 
9:04 PM
@Mr.kbok haha on vintage autos it's the only way to go. sorry to get offtopic. I am setting up my linux platforms to start my first c++ book!
 
#endif // __MY_AWESOME_HEADER_FILE_INCLUDED_CUE_GUID_d44473ed_1148_4a51_8d1d_0eec1bbe1ec3__
 
@JonathanMusso Why? If linux is not your usual OS?
@Nooble Most frustrating thing I've seen today:
 
ok let's try bringing less fuel.
 
} // end of namespace
 
there's ognna be some left over anyway
 
9:05 PM
WHICH ONE??
 
@Mr.kbok I am attempting to learn more about Linux and Programming so best to work on that OS I think. I am on OSX most of the time.
 
It's especially innervating because it can only be the end of a namespace
 
@Mr.kbok so useless
just use jump-to-other-paren function of your favourite text editor
 
@milleniumbug There are people who use VS2005.
@JonathanMusso IMO C++ on OSX is an altogether better experience, but don't take my word for it
 
@Mr.kbok I don't believe such masochists exist
 
9:08 PM
@Mr.kbok Oh really? Well, nobody told me to use Linux I just assumed that it would be better...I guess you use xCode on OS X?
 
lol XCode
 
@milleniumbug They're all like oh yeah ancient compilers tell me more about that constructor bug
 
@milleniumbug I guess I have my answer LOL
 
@JonathanMusso I use Visual Studio actually, but I used XCode for some time, and I think it works really well.
 
@JonathanMusso Use clang.
 
9:10 PM
Xcode is an above-average IDE, but I found it annoying
 
@Nooble clang is superior
 
@Mr.kbok Ah right, he's on Linux.
Poor me on Windows.
 
@JonathanMusso You get a very good integration of the open source ecosystem on OSX nowadays, while still keeping you usual tools (photoshop etc)
 
@Nooble s/Poor/Best
 
@milleniumbug If you think Xcode is above-average, I'd hate to see what you consider below average.
 
9:11 PM
@Mr.kbok the primary reason I did not jump to Linux is because of Adobe products that I need to use and Autodesk...but I am hoping to force myself.
 
@Nooble Windows is the best OS there is, don't let the Lounge guilt trip you.
 
@JonathanMusso I made an image processing algorithm in C++ on XCode (w/ boost etc), it went well.
 
Back in 02 when I was a child I think I used Dev C++ on windows XP.
 
xcode is so far below average it's too fat for your momma
 
My biggest issue with OS X is Objective-C. Because C++ is way too mainstream.
 
9:12 PM
@Puppy eclipse?
 
@JonathanMusso lol DevC++
 
@Puppy Dev C++ 4.9.9.2 :P
 
OK yeah both of those are pretty shit.
 
@ElimGarak Objective-C++ is da shit. You can do TMP with those managed pointers yo
 
Did someone make that here? XD
 
9:13 PM
@Puppy XCode oozes with desperation and over-simplification so that mindless app drones can write their crap that saturates their AppStores.
 
I started with Dev-C++ too. Essentially a kid too
 
@ElimGarak But Clang.
@Puppy Turbo-C++
 
@Mr.kbok back then the furthest I got to was polymorphism and then ... gave up, lol.
 
@JonathanMusso Polymorphism is such a fancy word.
 
9:17 PM
 
@Nooble how long have you had access to a computer?
Since you flew out of the vagina, that is.
 
@ElimGarak More than half my life!
 
Nooble will never know the joy of using Dev-C++ packages to install the latest SDL version
 
Damn, son.
 
It downloads AUTOMATICALLY ?!?!
 
9:20 PM
@Mr.kbok It actually worked for that purpose too, thanks to SDL being an eternal-1.2
 
@ElimGarak But I only really started programming a year or two ago. And only really really started programming 6 months ago.
 
@Nooble lol
such a youngling
a novice, if you will
 
You're starting early for sure
 
You'll surely end up being a genius just like me
 
9:21 PM
@Mr.kbok :O
 
@Nooble I can dissect a bit of this, lol.
 
> >tfw tar --help is better than man tar
 
user1804599
Chrome is weird.
 
man tar sounds terrible
 
user1804599
9:22 PM
On Linux you can scroll in the tab bar, but in Windows you can't.
 
^ tar
 
@elyse Which browser?
 
@ElimGarak Is async shader compile a thing? I really hope it is...
 
I sure as hell can
 
9:23 PM
kinda relevant to tars
 
@Nooble isn't shader compiling done in the driver?
 
@Griwes there's actually a program for this
not named like this, sadly
 
:/
someone missed their opportunity pretty badly
 
@melak47 Is it? It is.
 
Shader compiling is done in the driver, yes. With OpenGL. With DirectX, you have an IR that is passed to the user mode driver which is further disseminated for the particular hardware architecture (the details are highly unclear for everything besides Intel, as GPU vendors are closed source assholes).
 
9:25 PM
@Nooble I dunno, but I'd imagine it'd be easier to not write the compiler as a GPU kernel :D
 
.tar.bz2 vs .tbz2
 
@ElimGarak I blame NVIDIA for everything.
@melak47 Haha.
 
@ElimGarak But they changed it for Vulkan! so how knowledgeable I am about opengl
okay this is probably the only thing I know about opengl
 
Spear-vee.
 
@Mr.kbok Yeah, and they also don't accept regular GLSL in Vulkan drivers.
WHICH MAKES EVERYONE'S LIVES FUCKING A MILLION TIMES EASIER.
 
9:27 PM
Yes, SPIR-V. However the whole standard obedience process is going to take some time.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Weird-ass locomotion.
 
DX Bytecode or HLSL -> D3D | SPIR-V -> Vulkan | GLSL -> ShittenGL
 
I cannot into tar
 
Maybe OpenGL will accept GLSL one day too.
 
9:28 PM
(the HLSL IR is actually processed further down in the driver, it is just a bit faster than OGL's current solution)
SPIR-V is the only true way right now.
 
Only thing I don't like about HLSL IR is that reflection data is not mandatory.
People can strip it out, so you can't figure out desired entry points and shit.
 
@ThePhD ?
 
@melak47 Oops, I meant SPIR-V.
 
OpenGL will be maintained as legacy after Vulkan
 
Right now I'm hoping the OpenGL Shader Binary extension gets universally changed to accept and dump SPIR-V.
That way people don't have to maintain both GLSL and SPIR-V to ship with Vulkan or GLSL, and can JUST ship the SPIR-V so long as the target accept ARB_shader_binary extension with SPIR-V.
But they probably wouldn't backport the changes that far...
 
9:32 PM
Puppy's Daisy is a really cute dog, tho.
 
@ElimGarak What does this mean?
 
@Nooble No new updates; only bugfixes
 
@Nooble It will be usable by everyone for a rather long period of time, but Vulkan is the way to go. They intend to spread Vulkan's wings to mobile and stuff. And I actually kinda support the clean slate initiative.
 
@набиячлевэлиь :(
How long until 90% of the market has the hardware for Vulkan?
Until modules?
 
@Nooble eleventy years
 
9:35 PM
You can observe the steam hardware surveys for DX 12 compatible hardware and just rename DX12 -> Vulkan, and you have sort-of-representing numbers.
 
GO AWAY TELKITTAY
 
@Nooble The data is a month old, but 16% is already both Windows 10 and DX12 capable.
You'd need just DX12 capable for a view of Vulkan on its own.
47% I believe
 
bah windows 10 :/
 
9:37 PM
Windows 10 is awesome.
 
 
@melak47 I'm using it.
 
let me rephrase that.
 
@Puppy So cute c:
 
@Nooble so am I. that's why I'm saying bah :(
 
9:38 PM
@melak47 What do you dislike about it?
 
What's wrong with it? :P It runs really smooth, looks smooth and shit. And the upgrade is free.
 
it looks like a pile of horse droppings.
the best that can be said about Windows 10 is that it's not quite as terrible as Windows 8.
it's still no Windows 7.
 
Although, I don't like all that gay touch-friendly frontend stuff obfuscating the Windows 7 available details. Especially the settings. I have to jump through six "advanced" links to get to the Windows 7 stuff. It's like they layered it for different kinds of human retard.
 
@ElimGarak I don't like the builtin social crap and telemetry you have to uninstall, disable, forbid via group policies and firewall to even start stopping it :p
 
One hour later, it is still "working on it"
 
9:43 PM
@Puppy d'awwww
 
Windows has the ugliest scrollbars of all the operating systems. 1995 bad.
 
@ElimGarak What's a pretty one?
 
@Nooble OS X has a nice one, KDE + Linux also.
 
You didn't see many OS's. Java on OSX still looks ...
Like NeXtStep, OpenMotif etc.
 
NeXtStep's interface was nice
I like WindowMaker for this reason, except it has some badness
 
9:47 PM
 
for example, they don't use Fitts's Law
 
It's ok.
 
Looks like a child learned how to use the rectangle tool in photoshop.
 
@ElimGarak WinXP had the best
 
@milleniumbug My thought exactly, they actually retarded the scrollbar in this past decade.
 
9:49 PM
@ElimGarak Materialed
It's a verb now.
 
@ElimGarak xp best imo
oh shit I'm so mainstream
 
@Mr.kbok Except a green one
 
The worst thing is that the scrollbar can really fuck up the style of your site depending on which OS is being used. Some stuff just doesn't work together. And customizing it is still a big problem. The half-assed solutions are really bad, too. Especially if you have scrolling containers.
 
it looks so clickable lol
Loungers, I require your help
 
Windows scrollbar is no longer uniform.
 
9:51 PM
I want to install g++ on windows
 
The design changes depending on the program.
 
@Mr.kbok Yes?
@Mr.kbok Get MinGW-w64
 
@Nooble linky
 
Get MSYS2
 
9:52 PM
Fuck msys2.
 
It's nice
 
It's mediocre.
 
It has package manager
 
Oh yes and MSYS2 as milleniumbug said.
 
Which is useless.
 
9:52 PM
And put 'em both in your path.
 
I already have a msys from git
Is that enough?
 
whatever, stick to one Unix-style environment
 
asking for trouble :P
 
don't mix unless you want trouble
 
@Mr.kbok Probably...
@Rapptz What do you use?
 
9:53 PM
okay
 
@Rapptz 'sup Alex.
 
I'll make a release for stags in g++ tonight
 
@ElimGarak Crap. I thought he was Alex.
 
Next time I'll see if it works on clang, then setup some CI to not have to do this shit constantly (booting linux and shit)
 
Hi @Rapptz.
 
9:54 PM
sigh you guys are making me boot linux
 
@Rapptz It installs the C++ libraries, which is great
 
Just build them yourself.
 
@milleniumbug Usually outdated and crufty.
 
Did this already, before MSYS2 arrived. It was total PITA.
 
Last I checked msys2 doesn't have libs for the new ABI.
 
9:55 PM
It has now
 
Also, PITA means pie here.
 
pita means bread here
 
user1804599
A PITA is a pain.
 
gcc version 5.2.0 (Rev3, Built by MSYS2 project)
 
user1804599
9:57 PM
Don't shove bread up your ass though.
 
g++ (x86_64-posix-seh, Built by Rapptz using mingw-builds scripts) 5.1.0
 
when someone asks me why i can’t hang out http://t.co/7o7yLsAY1I
 
@Mr.kbok /cc @Nooble
 
@elyse yes
 
@ElimGarak Hahahaha.
 
9:59 PM
those scrollbars. delicious.
 
@Nooble why is it slow as fuck
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok explain partitive articles.
 
@melak47 that looks awful
 
MICROSOFT VISUAL STUDIO S RESTARTING.
 
how did they get away with such a terrible design
 
9:59 PM
the scroll grabby thingy is even off by one pixel :v
 
user1804599
> A partitive article is a type of indefinite article used with a mass noun such as water, to indicate a non-specific quantity of it.
 

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