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10:00 PM
panics
7x7x7 at 9am tomorrow and I still don't remember the parity algorithm.
Sup?
 
I'm trying to come up with additional things I need to purchase
else I will have to spend a £4 surcharge on my delivery (on top of already paying £5 to get it delivered)
 
user406009
Toilet paper. You can always use more toilet paper.
 
@TonyTheLion It seems we might be back in business
 
What sort of delivery?
 
groceries delivery
 
10:03 PM
Cheese
 
I normally walk to the shop to purchase various groceries but I have some that are just too heavy to carry in the quantities I use them in
e.g. 40kg of cola
 
Can never have enough cheese
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Already bought some
I could just ... buy some more, I guess.
 
40 what of what
 
40kg of cola
 
10:03 PM
How long does that last you?
 
a month maybe
let me check
welp over six weeks according to the website.
 
Over a litre a day?
 
user406009
That's a lot of soda.
 
Ok, a litre a day then
 
lot of sugar too
 
10:04 PM
@AndyProwl Sugar-free.
 
in fact
 
still not very healthy IMO
 
user406009
@Puppy Caffeinated or caffeine free?
 
10:05 PM
let's face it; diet cola is pretty much just water with some bubbles and aspartame.
 
user406009
Cause that would be a lot of caffeine.
 
@Lalaland At 9p a litre I highly doubt that there's any caffeine in it.
 
Hmm, I drink about 1l/day Club-Mate.
 
apparently there's a little caffeine in it
 
That has more caffeine than cola.
Pups should be fine.
 
10:06 PM
the problem is that it's only 9p a litre.
so even buying 40 litres is still dirt cheap and doesn't help me make the £40 limit I need to avoid the charge.
 
add alcoholic beverages to your groceries
 
Gonna practise the parity algo early in the morning and compete with it in short term memory.
 
yes, I can do that
 
Just get more cheese
Or bread
 
I already added more cheese ;p
 
user406009
10:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes But you will miss the game jam!
 
bread is <£1 and I already have bread
 
More alcohol is definitely an option
 
@sehe ah ok, lemme check
 
can you uk peeps get alcohol from grocery stores
 
@Lalaland I know.
 
10:07 PM
I could add alcoholic drinks to easily hit the limit but I don't want to do that since I don't actually want alcoholic drinks.
 
or is it only sold by specially licensed places
 
I usually get only things I will definitely use, even if only in a few weeks
e.g. 4.5kg of cereal
 
Ell
Yeah I think coke zero isn't so bad
I think. Its just phosphoric acid, caramel colour and aspartame
 
I don't like how it makes my teeth feel
 
user406009
Tea >>>> Soda as far as I am concerned.
 
user406009
10:08 PM
Cheaper too.
 
get healthy snacks
 
Like bread
 
user406009
You just need to get one of those water heaters which always keeps the water hot.
 
And cheese
 
Ell
I think aspartame makes absorbing protein more difficult, but maybe by an insignificant amount
 
user406009
10:09 PM
So you don't have to wait for the boiling.
 
like chips and humus
 
Ell
Either way nutritionists get it wrong vOv
 
bread and cheese works too
 
I already have bread and cheese on my list ;p
 
Ell
Bread ain't a healthy snack
 
10:09 PM
Gosh, I haven't had proper bread in a week.
 
but I'm at just £28 of £40
 
@TonyTheLion I don't see you so: negative?
 
Ell
Celery is a healthy snack
 
What are healthy snacks?
 
It works on my end o.O
 
Ell
10:10 PM
Orr carrots
 
Bread is definitely a snack and definitely healthy
 
Ell
Or cucumbers
 
@Puppy baked beans, eggs?
 
I eat fruit as snack
 
do you have other stuff you need? like toiletries
 
Ell
10:10 PM
Eggs are heslthy
 
I eat it at any time, and I'm healthy.
 
Ell
Fruit is natures dessert
 
@TonyTheLion Don't consume eggs and I have baked beans
 
@Ell Not more than like 4 a week AFAIK
 
@Ell And also main course and starter.
 
10:10 PM
you bacon
I know you do
 
Fruit is awesome
 
Ell
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ eggs?
 
@TonyTheLion nope
 
I would eat fruit all day long
 
crispy crunchy bacon
 
Ell
10:11 PM
Why on earth not?
 
user406009
Fruit is good. But spoils easily.
 
@Ell Because the contain too much something
 
that's the main issue I found
 
@Lalaland yea I threw out three bananas last week :(
 
I don't remember
 
Ell
10:11 PM
Probably cholesterol
 
I like eating fruit but it doesn't last long enough
 
My grandpa had heart trouble and the doctor forbade eggs
 
Ell
But ignore. Its not that simple
 
ah tomato ketchup
 
user406009
I don't think the evidence is that strong for nutritional science.
 
10:12 PM
that shit will last forever and I could always use more
 
Also limited his bread intake, a clear sign yhe doc was insane.
 
user406009
It's a very hard field to study well.
 
Ell
@lala I agree
 
Also milk and derivates are usually avoided because "our body is not supposed to digest milky stuff"
 
user406009
(Unless you lock people in rooms, and force-feed them I guess)
 
10:12 PM
That's what I've heard
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Bullshit
 
eggs have high cholesterol
but i think its the good kind of cholesterol
 
Ell
I think for now it is wise to look forward to when they get it right
 
Look at my body digesting it and tell me that with a straight face.
 
Ell
But they aren't so good at it yet
 
10:13 PM
Well, they make a whole lot of sense to me
 
adult lactose tolerance is one of the most rapid-spreading genes ever studied in a complex life form.
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I don't think anyone knows anything. Milk is probably fine (unless you are lactose intolerant)
 
15,000 years ago nobody had adult lactose tolerance.
today 90% europeans adult lactose tolerance.
that's some prime evolution right there.
 
Europeans best peans
 
> In general, studies show that for healthy people with no history of heart disease, diabetes or high blood cholesterol, eating an average of one egg per day (or seven eggs per week) does not increase the long-term risk of heart disease.
 
user406009
10:13 PM
I guess that's a certain degree of evidence that milk is good for you.
 
I'm not saying it's not fine, I'm just saying that whenever you have some issues related to eating or intollerance, the first thing they forbit is milk
 
if by "certain degree of evidence" you mean "Evolution bitchslapped us in the face about it for ten thousand years"
 
user406009
That's because lactose intolerance is pretty prevalent.
 
Milk is definitely good
 
user406009
Some people just don't know it.
 
10:14 PM
It contains a lot of iron AFAIK
 
Ell
Plus calcium
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ That's completely over-generalized.
 
Is it called iron in english?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yes
 
No, it's sarcasm
 
10:14 PM
@Puppy It is
 
Ell
But really I agree with @lala
 
you probably mean calcium.
 
Ell
Nutritionists aren't getting it right enough
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see what you did there
 
@Ell What makes you say that?
 
Ell
10:15 PM
I'm so frickin t irer man
 
IME the problem with nutritionists isn't that they don't know what you should eat to be healthy, it's that they don't know how to actually make you eat it ;p
 
Ell
@Puppy every x years y is very bad for the body
 
Does this mean that the muParser developers have refused to help with this issue? — crayzeewulf 2 mins ago
Wow. That reply on the issue tracker
 
Straw poll: who's right more often? Nutritionists, meteorologists, economists, or conspiracy nuts?
 
@crayzeewulf Wow. It certainly looks like that. I'm appalled, because I thought it was a universal hallmark of bad API design to not provide userdata void* arguments ... o.O — sehe 17 secs ago
 
10:16 PM
@Ell That's a pointless over-generalization.
 
Ell
The next z years, y is good for the body
 
Economists
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes conspiracy nuts
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes meteorologists
 
for example, cyanide has been very bad for the body for a very long time.
 
10:16 PM
Then conspiracy nuts
 
so has being stabbed with metal implements.
 
Ell
Cyanide is not bad for the body
 
Even wood implements
 
Look me digesting cyanide and tell me that with a straight face.
 
Ell
Cyanide hydroxide is :P
 
10:17 PM
conspiracy nuts sounds like a good name for one of those mixed nuts packets
 
Ell
And some other form
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah make a video :P
 
The tag line could be "Healthy for you! ... or are they?"
 
@Prismatic in Germany they call it student feed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes conspiratory economists trying to predict the weather using nutrition?
 
10:18 PM
@TonyTheLion Can be done.
 
Surely :)
 
I mean
 
I would say metereologists get it right like 50% of the time
So there's that
 
if you look at for example sales of ice cream
 
Anyway, really gotta sleep
 
10:18 PM
you could reasonably infer the location and direction of good weather or bad weather
and therefore guess where it's gonna go next
 
7x7x7 in the morrow OMG panics again
 
wtf is 7x7x7
 
rubiks cube size
 
ah
 
robor is becoming a master kuber
 
Ell
10:21 PM
Traditional diets are much more successful than nutritionist diets. </confident anecdotal>
 
if by "successful" you mean "successfully stunted growth in all areas and led to lots of horrific diseases"
 
Ell
Wat
 
if thats how you measure success sure
 
Ell
Diabeetus is a horrific thing
 
Error: success
 
Ell
10:23 PM
As is obesity
 
@sehe what the hell
 
nowhere near as horrific as the things they replaced.
 
that lack of any explanations
 
and also a nutritionist diet would not give you diabetes or obesity.
 
> This isn't a defect. I won't go down this route, sorry.
 
Ell
10:23 PM
You can live without any of them
 
@milleniumbug Perhaps it's not a C project. In that case, the interface should allow function objects
 
it is in fact caused by basically doing the exact opposite of what they recommend.
 
Ell
I'm srepy
Good night geese
 
right
 
I've been teaching c++ for 16+ years.
 
10:24 PM
I have 37 minutes to decide what I want for at least £10.36
 
@Puppy Jaffa cakes obviously
and tooth paste
and nutella
 
I guess that toothpaste will not go off.
 
therefore I see little penalty in purchasing some even though I have no immediate need for additional pylons toothpaste
 
user406009
@sehe That's crazy. You almost always want user data with your callback.
 
user406009
10:27 PM
Nooo! Not the out of battery warning message!
 
user406009
Be back when I have power guys.
 
sounds like you should find a job with NSA
they are fond of collecting everyones information tooo
 
@TonyTheLion yo nutella is my jam
 
Now my students have nominated me for the best teacher award. The principal meeting is going to decide an award for me. I'm happier than a clam
 
@Prismatic :)
 
10:29 PM
french toast with peanut butter and nutella
do it puppy
@CaptainGiraffe what year do you teach?
 
@Prismatic 1 to 4
 
Thats dope. I had some pretty great teachers in elementary school thinking back
what kind of awards do teachers usually get
 
AGHAGHA I HATE OPENGL
 
@Prismatic I have a 100% record of giving them jobs.
 
10:31 PM
ah young and naive Nooble, struggling with OpenGL
welcome to the club
 
@CaptainGiraffe Wait, we talking about first year to fourth year university students?
 
Please Prismatic, you must help me.
That or I will go insane!
 
something looks wrong with the matrices that define your cube
 
@Prismatic Yes
 
10:33 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Its great you help out with jobs for them. Imo, the job experience is way more important than any academic parts of university
 
@Lalaland what appalled me most was the brazenness; no arguments used at "We will not go down 'that route'" (what the hell route would that be?)
 
@Nooble also check the view space coordinate orientation/ camera orientation
not that I have any clue, just off the top of my head
 
I don't think matricies would butcher a cube like that
@Nooble Have you gotten a simple triangle working?
 
@Prismatic Right?
@Prismatic Yes, renders perfectly.
 
What about two triangles, spaced slightly apart? Use GL_TRIANGLES with 6 vertices
 
10:35 PM
is your code on GH?
 
It kinda looks like a cube.
@TonyTheLion Not updated :(
 
It really doesn't
 
For me it is eaasy to provide a job for a proficient c++ coder.
 
@Nooble Check it in so we can see the code
 
@Prismatic Yes I've tried multiple triangles.
@TonyTheLion It'll be a separate repo.
 
10:36 PM
@Nooble as long as we can look at the code
 
@Nooble What about two triangles forming a single quad? Just go about it step by step. Your cube is just a set of triangles, draw each triangle one by one and check to make sure the results are as you'd expect
 
this ^^^^^
 
@Prismatic I can't really--the engine renders .obj files.
 
that makes things harder
 
I'm just happier than a chipmunk in a ninja dress.
 
10:37 PM
print out the coordinates of each triangle
 
@Prismatic Fuck it I'll std::cout everything.
 
Some hardcore rendering going on in the Lounge. :P
 
clueless rendering you mean
 
It is an oscars medal.
 
10:40 PM
I'd like to thank sehe and LriO
And Tony
Mom and dad was always good to me
 
Mom and dad are a single entity? :P
 
@CaptainGiraffe me?
I'm sure I didn't do anything for you
 
@TonyTheLion Coming after LRiO, surely esteemed company.
 
@ElimGarak ugh
 
@ElimGarak HEY YOUR GOOD WITH GPUS.
 
10:42 PM
@Nooble What did you break? :P
 
@ElimGarak Look above.
I don't really know but I try to load an OBJ cube.
My MVP is a simple as it can get.
 
@TonyTheLion sehe gave me perfect code. You gave be Liro rebuttals
 
Ah, you're using OpenGL (no fancy graphics debugging for you :P). First, can you confirm that you have 36ish (or 32) vertices?
 
@ElimGarak Doing so right now...
 
@CaptainGiraffe I did? I surely don't recall. But I'm glad I helped you :)
 
10:45 PM
Need to know how you encoded the vertex data
In the simplest form, you'd have 24 vertices. 4 on each 6 sides. If you're utilizing index buffers, that is. If not, then the latter.
Hopefully, you'll be able to check in 2015. :P After that, go through the vertices and look at their positions, you need to see a pattern (as they are using 8 unique points in space). If you see it, then the loader did fine.
 
@ElimGarak Waddya mean, Renderdoc seemed to work fine when i used it (although it was in a very limited use case)
 
@ElimGarak 36.
Counted 0 - 35.
 
@Nooble So, no index buffer.
 
@ElimGarak Nope.
 
Now, check the data. 8 unique positions need to be repeating. If that's fine, you fucked up your transform. Then we will move to that.
 
10:51 PM
Just plain old send it in to the GPU.
 
user3047181
surely a cube would have 8 vertices?
 
@StackedCrooked wow coliru is sweating heavily
 
Just dump the vertexes to std out
 
36 or 10 vertices.
 
@MeltyButter It is related to the way rasterization and shading works. Each actual point actually has multiple normals associated with it (up, right, towards you)
 
10:52 PM
Or you can use a GL debugger like API trace... but this should be simple enough to fix
 
@MeltyButter 6 faces, 12 triangles, 3 vertex per triangle -> 36
 
12 triangles, or one triangle strip.
 
@ElimGarak I put it on gist. Working on printing out the vertices now. I do some super inefficient crap in ::load but don't mind that.
 
I meant 14 not 10
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes weren't you off to bed
 
10:53 PM
Maybe...
 
Has anyone here announced they were going to sleep and stayed true to their word?
lol
 
Sleeptalking
German skill
Search in the transcript
 
@Prismatic @sehe installed a wrong turn in @R.MartinhoFernandes's house.
 
I'm not home
I'm in Köln
 
@Prismatic rarely
 
10:54 PM
I'm studying the parity algorithm I'll need tomorrow.
 
decided to not just wing it eh
 
@Borgleader lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes When in home, do as the homans do
 
Also, while you can get a simple form with triangle strips, one should avoid them for real world stuff.
 
Bwahahahahaha.
How'd this happen...
 
oh, Nooble.
 
10:57 PM
@Nooble You pasted a screenshot of terminal output. That's how it happened
 
@sehe :/
 
poor Nooble :(
 
@Nooble Whats this supposed to be?
 
okeydokey
 
hi puppy
did you spend another 10 GBPs
 
10:58 PM
@Borgleader Vertices for a cube that's supposed to be from -1 to 1.
 
two minutes to spend a further £8
fuck it let's buy alcohol
 
Beeer!!!!
 

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