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2:00 PM
so although there's a dozen things they could do to deliver to me that I've come to expect from other delivery services, they don't do any of them.
 
are you trying to use a member function as a thread start? because member functions that are not static have an implicit this parameter and will cause issues. Also I'm not seeing any use of boost.thread or std::thread anywhere here... you might also want to read up on RAIIMgetz 1 min ago
 
2:12 PM
sup <3
 
For me they always leave either a note or leave the package at a neighbor
I don't like the neighbor thing because they have no business taking my stuff without my say, but I've gotten everything fine so far
 
In Paris the national post service has free automated postboxes in the city
they give you a code and you unlock a single-use safe with it
It's very cool
I hope they make more of these
 
I'm always home to take deliveries
 
Actually I'd pay for having everything delivered there
@TonyTheLion You work from home?
 
@Mr.kbok yeah I use that, but sometimes things are too big for those.
 
2:17 PM
@Mr.kbok sounds like a sane solution, here the USPS has locked drop boxes at apartments (if the owner paid to put them in) or they just toss it on your doorstep
 
@Mr.kbok Yes
 
I have a card for those.
In it, my name has half my address because the freaking DHL can't into addresses
 
@Mgetz Here all apartments are way too old to install it (square meter is 10k, too, ahem), so if you're not home they don't deliver at all. After some time the package goes back either to the post office or the storage place out of the city. Either case it's a pita to pick it up (post service is very very bad)
 
At my old place I needed a c/o line in the address to get stuff delivered.
 
@TonyTheLion How come? Also why don't you live in a cheaper place then :p
 
2:20 PM
@Mr.kbok yep that happens too, in which case I have to drive around 25 miles to pick it up at the central facility
 
Apparently their system was designed by idiots who think addresses are (street, number, postcode, city) tuples, so they couldn't put the c/o anywhere.
So they shoved it in my name
 
what's c/o?
 
oh
 
@Mr.kbok Because my physical condition. I like London :)
 
2:22 PM
My name in their system is, no fucking kidding, "Martinho Fernandes bei McDonald"
 
lol
Martinho McDonald :P
 
And this is a company whose sole business is delivery!
 
@Rerito hey
flatmate just opened ata 17 years old St Émilion
 
All idiots.
 
like wtf
disclaimer am slightly drunk
 
2:23 PM
noted
 
new roommate or crazy lady?
 
crazy lady
 
And my girlfriend wonders why I always go into a fit when I see "street' fields in Internet forms
 
why?
 
2:24 PM
whats a street field
 
the address field in a form you fill out
 
@Mr.kbok because, to put it simply, they're wrong
 
@AngryLettuce it's like a text field, but with a longer t-shirt and a cap
 
ayyy lmao
Mr punbok
 
To deliver to me there are two fields and only two fields you should ask me to fill out.
 
2:25 PM
angry memeuce
 
pls no jealusy
 
Call one of those "shit that, when written on the package, gets this shit to you".
 
they make those fields because they want to have some kind of automated check you know
 
@Mr.kbok which is useless. It doesn't help any party.
 
because they're much more stupider people than DHL, who, like, forget to enter the city in.
or the number
 
2:27 PM
Country or city/postcode is somewhat acceptable to have as separate field for dispatching purposes. Anything else is bullshit.
 
In the UK, if they have the postcode and house number, they can figure out the address.
 
user1804599
All you need in NL is country, zip code, and house number.
 
it's cargo culting mostly imo. I think it's dumb too
 
The only way to check an address is to go there and deliver. It's like checking email addresses, but real addresses are even less regular.
@Tony not true
 
god forbids if you don't live in a bis or ter number
 
2:29 PM
@Elyse probably not true either, but I can't produce specific examples for the Netherlands
 
if have to put it into the street name
 
@Mr.kbok so they all are stupid, but they vary in stupidity?
 
"shit that, when written on the package, gets this shit to you" is what you need, not any combination of anything else.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer * there's
 
@Mr.kbok I see
 
2:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes then why, when I fill in a postcode and my house number, on quite a few websites, can I click a button saying "fill in address"?
 
The thing about the STWWOTPGTSTY field is that it can also accommodate for other sillinesses of shipping companies like failure to deal with umlauts or eszetts
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes people have made real metrics about checking validity of email adresses, and they do improve the error rate
 
@Tony oh, works on your machine, you mean?
 
I could see how it would be the same for physical adresses
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, I mean when I fill in a form requiring my address, mostly I can fill in the postcode, and the house number, and the rest they can autocomplete just from that information alone.
Like the address details
 
2:32 PM
Yes, it works for your address.
You have a regular one.
 
Tony, 1 Tony Street, Tonyville
it's very regular
 
Physical addresses can get pretty complicated. Especially if you're shipping internationally.
 
user1804599
Cooool, timeouts.
 
(w+), \d \1 Street, \1ville
 
And the shipping companies deal with the mess. You don't have to.
Giving me a fixed set of fields to fill in doesn't help you and it only hurts me.
 
user1804599
2:35 PM
I'd store addresses and people's names as single text fields, but the client wants to filter by city and sort on last name.
 
user1804599
It definitely helps them to store it structurally.
 
If you're shipping to me, which clients need to filter what?
 
@Elyse You always store it in differents fields anyway because you don't always deliver at your place
 
when shipping internationally, I have found out that on the box, they only mention Address Line 1, and the 1st phone number
 
We often deliver stuff at our families' places so that we don't have to carry shit around
 
user1804599
2:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Shipping might not be the only thing they do.
 
For xmas I deliver directly at my parent's place :P
 
@Elyse which brings me to the other point.
 
user1804599
For example, if they see many people order from Hamburg, they may want to do more advertising in Hamburg. It's then useful to know which addresses are in Hamburg.
 
big data
 
The thing about the STWWOOTPGTSTY field is that it accounts for the fact that my shipping address is important for getting shit to me, while I might have a better address for whatever nonsense you want to do with it.
 
user1804599
2:38 PM
Also, if they have shitloads of customers, they probably don't care if one of those fails to enter their address.
 
user1804599
Since shitloads minus one is still shitloads.
 
lafff we're drunk and listening to ghibli songs
 
Yes, but it's still a more complex system for nought.
It is essentially design to fail.
 
I'm going to the theatre tonight
 
@Elyse that doesn't justify a house number field.
 
2:40 PM
fuck house number fields forever
 
user1804599
How do you deliver when you don't have a house number
 
Or even if you want that, it doesn't justify that number being mandatory and doesn't justify not having a freeform field for STWWOTPGTSTM
 
user1804599
It might also have to do with people being confused if those fields aren't there, since they are used to them being there.
 
It's not a number
 
user1804599
As in a UI thing.
 
2:41 PM
@Mr.kbok bring your anti bullet shirt
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes true on the customer expectation level
 
@AngryLettuce Already went to a concert yesterday
 
@Mr.kbok rip
 
I'm still here
 
"65/67A" is a "house number" where I live in (actually it isn't, but you get the idea)
 
2:42 PM
@Mr.kbok was it nice?
 
@TonyTheLion Really cool
 
@Elyse when you don't have a house number you deliver by going to the address and delivering
Shipping companies know how to handle that
 
@Mr.kbok Who did you go see?
 
I mean after all these years, couldn't DHL at least develop a website where I can press on my location in the map, and it would generate an address
 
(Ok, those suck too)
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not if the house number is completely absent. You can't deliver in that case.
 
user1804599
If you don't have a separate field for them, people may just as well forget to enter them.
 
user1804599
Because people are users, and users are idiots.
 
@Elyse what if it's not a house?
 
2:44 PM
@Mr.kbok oh cool.
 
Not the same singer this time though
the girl didn't sing as well, lol
 
@Elyse yes, you can deliver without a house number.
Maybe not to your address because yours has a bouse number.
But not all do.
 
user1804599
OIC
 
Real addresses can be pretty weird.
 
Japan has fun addresses
 
2:46 PM
c/o lines are just the tip of the iceberg.
 
I have an ordinary address, but the actual thing at the end of the address is not very ordinary.
the databases typically do not distinguish between my place, the place beneath, and the place above, and do not detail the proper entryway, nor the location of the appropriate letterbox, nor the zero means of actually ringing the doorbell.
 
Ell
Speaking as a former professional foodstuffs courier, real addresses can be pretty weird and impossible to locate in the real world
 
> Flat 1.4, Ziggurat Building, 60-66 Saffron Hill
lolwat, Flat 1.4?
I live in the first 40% of flat 2
 
lol, maybe floor 1 room 4, in hotels room 1XX are in the first floor
 
user1804599
2:51 PM
My street lacks number 1.
 
@Puppy there's also 43rd ½ St, Pittsburgh, PA
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes crickey
 
my family house in my home town is on a street that has no name-plate, and no one in the place knows its name, no registered map either
 
so you are applying pedant to streetnumbers today
 
My address in Portugal was pretty much just (name, town, postcode)
The mailman knows where to find me.
No joke.
 
2:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes imagine the mailman end up asking everyone in your neighborhood about you
 
gah
 
next everyone in your neighborhood ask you about what you bought from amazon
 
my graphics card doesn't support dx12
 
user1804599
This conversation reminds me of a user complaining the system didn't send them SMS messages.
 
Some girl asks me to explain what Chocolate kiss is. can anyone help with a good explanation? :P
 
user1804599
2:59 PM
Turned out they entered their phone number suffixed with " (in case of no answer, <other number>)".
 
Ell
Dont forget platform 4.75
 
user1804599
@ProblemSlover It's when both eat chocolate but don't swallow it, then do French kissing and face spitting.
 
@Mr.kbok wait a minute, graphic cards have to support directX12? isn't that supposed to be the other way around?
 
user1804599
Then have the dog (who just ate his own poop) lick it off both's faces.
 
@Elyse sounds delicious xD
 
user1804599
3:01 PM
Then the dog dies from a chocolate overdose.
 
user1804599
RIP dog.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer It's always been this way, but it's actually the driver that has to support the API. Of course the manufacturer designs the die around the API to some extent.
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok how old is it?
 
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/676038954441908225
Love to read Trumps comments
 
@Ell Wikipedia says 2010, but AMD is supposed to update the drivers. They didn't.
 
Ell
3:02 PM
@TonyTheLion idk, it's terrible man :/
@Mr.kbok yeah that sucks :/
 
It's okay I don't game that much on this machine. It's just that I wanted to code a bit on it
> This section demonstrates how to use the Direct3D 11 API to accomplish several common tasks.
lol, how do I clean the dishes with dx11
 
@Ell thanks. I definitely will try it in the hell lol
 
Indirect3D
 
@Mr.kbok what's the name of your graphic card?
 
user1804599
What's the deal with this Trump guy?
 
user1804599
3:07 PM
I've never followed anything about it.
 
@Elyse he is a good daddy
 
user1804599
Apparently he has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
 
user1804599
That's cool.
 
@Elyse you did not have to look it up right?
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson I just made that up.
 
3:08 PM
@KhaledAKhunaifer robert
 
user1804599
Chocolate kisses are just a kind of food.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
They're called "nigger kisses" in the Netherlands if translated literally. People being offended by that only makes them more delicious.
 
3:10 PM
time for a sauna,
 
Yeah. It's a kind of food. but If that girl took it literally she would get horny. and It was a great night
 
user1804599
@JohanLarsson have fun in the steamy hut
 
@Elyse lol
 
@Elyse i love that kind of candy, I don't care what it's called
 
@Elyse Actually if you look at the link I sent above to the tramp page and scroll it down you will see an amazing gift image.
 
3:13 PM
@KhaledAKhunaifer the driver says 6300m series
 
@JohanLarsson I would like to have massage in the sauna lol. it's quite a hot dream
 
@Mr.kbok this update seem to support "AMD Radeon HD 6300M Series" forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=397114
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Thanks, but the driver doesn't seem much stable yet. Id' rather wait and go with dx11.
 
3:29 PM
@ProblemSlover not sure
 
@Mr.kbok You stole the face Vanessa Paradis?
 
it's not stealing it was right there
 
Actually I have never heard about her. so let UFO to judge your crime :P
 
ufo?
of course you didn't, she's french. cocorico
 
unidentified flying objects./ they are among us :P
 
3:36 PM
I see you're one of the lizard people
 
back when I was in college as part of a challenge, I ended up programming a command-line RPG game where you are a processor .. it's like a resturant, where you have input queue, output line, panel to manage memory, and a bathroom where you produce a memory dump
 
Inspired by this hypocritical movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/
 
@ProblemSlover and on a side-note, there was this at the side of the page imdb.com/best-of/…
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer oh feeling sorry for his d*ck
 
3:41 PM
@ProblemSlover guess he can't just have one of them
 
@ProblemSlover Be careful; that's a bad word.
 
@user3886129 Go away. it's not that bad without posted a photo of its purpose
 
@ProblemSlover Oh. Alright, I'll go away now.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Disagree.. He is still able to do great things with his X-men thing
 
@user3886129 did you got name-nuked?
 
3:47 PM
@Mr.kbok Yep.
Dunno why either.
Now I look like a real noob on this chat.
 
especially since we can see how long is your id
 
:P
I only joined a bit over a year ago though.
 
compare with @R.MartinhoFernandes who has a 5 digit id.
 
I joined stackoverflow 3 years ago. and it took me 2.5 years to gain enough reputation to chat here . How slow I'm :P
 
@user3886129 As opposed to?
 
3:52 PM
@Jefery A real nooble.
Oooh I saw someone wearing shoes that looked like you Jefff.
 
WHO
 
A classmate...
 
Fuck him
 
I like how ugly microsoft's naming conventions are
> LRESULT CALLBACK WindowProc(HWND hwnd
 
@Mr.kbok +1. Ditched Windows in favor of Linux. because of such naming crap
 
3:55 PM
@Mr.kbok what they're naming is worse.
but it's better than execve
 
@ProblemSlover no offense but that's really dumb
@Puppy yeah, choose your poison I guess.
 
@TonyTheLion <3
 
@Mr.kbok I take it as an offense :(
 
your pick
The C++ ecosystem is much richer on windows if you care to have a look around. Linux hasn't much more to offer than old-ass libraries designed for portability (read: for use under windows) and things that we carry round since the 70's
The driver situation only got better because it wasn't possible to make it worse
 
@TonyTheLion @jaggedSpire you guys wanna study?
 
Ell
4:01 PM
it doesn't help that linus hates c++ :V
 
@Mr.kbok Nah. I don't code apps tied to Linux. QT framework / wxWidgets does its thing
 
@Ell fuck linus
 
why complain about how a platform does things if you don't use any?
 
@Mr.kbok Because I used it before
 
Qt is literally the lowest common determinator
 
4:03 PM
and It made me want to start coding on linux
and learn such shit as Qt and wxWidgets. I'm gradteful to crappy windows
for opening me a way to new adventures
eitherway nowadas. I focused exclusively on mobile app dev
 
@RicardoHerrero you're coding C++ like you would C, it's also not clear where the error is occurring. I suggested RAII as a way of managing your resources since you're using raw malloc in c++ which is a major code smell. — Mgetz 3 mins ago
 
my latest C++ program uses malloc
(together with std::unique_ptr and free_deleter - doesn't really matter since I'm replacing it with mmap and munmap later)
 
I use ZeroMemory
 
@milleniumbug why not just write an allocator?
 
allocator for what
I'll have to, eventually (I'm writing a file system)
 
4:19 PM
@Mr.kbok a.k.a. memset(dest, 0, len)
 
wrong argument order
good job on elaborating why a separate function is needed
 
@milleniumbug What for?
 
@набиячлэвэлиь uni project
 
not ugh, someone has to do it
inb4 you could have done it in Haskell
 
user1804599
4:23 PM
Hi!
 
hello
 
@milleniumbug God no, why Leshak
 
@набиячлэвэлиь you suck at backwards spelling
 
@Borgleader Even if, how's that relevant to the referenced message?
 
4:26 PM
@Borgleader that's bawkwards spelling
 
@AlexM. What's so funny about it?
 
look at the comments for clues
alternatively, become undeaf
 
> I'm homeless and this wedding looks shit even by my standards.
True
 
@AlexM. kek
 
The guy on the trumpet isn't the best player in the world, I'll give you that
 
4:29 PM
you're getting warm
 
Ell
@AlexM. oh no
 
The old dude moves the white dress with his shoe
Is that it?
 
lol
 
no, it's the fucking trumpet
 
wtf
 
user1804599
4:32 PM
Donald Trumpet
 
TIL that Ruby's zip function supplies nils for the shorter list
Fuck Ruby
 
I see no technical issues with the trumpet
 
@набиячлэвэлиь here youtube.com/watch?v=-w-58hQ9dLk
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug lol
 
user1804599
F#'s throws an exception if the lists are of different lengths.
 
4:34 PM
truncating is sensible IMHO
 
@набиячлэвэлиь The tests just came back. I'm afraid to tell you, Mr. набиячлэвэлиь: you are deaf.
 
I don't know shit about films nor music, so based on the tunes' (probable) similarity I'm gonna assume it's the same tune
 
@milleniumbug I think I'd expect zip to throw on diff lengths, zipLongest to pad, and zipShortest to truncate
 
@Jefery I think he's making a distinction between the trumpet itself (probably perfectly functional) and how it's played (which seems to be the problem here).
 
Stop feeding Trumpet
 
4:37 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, of course I am
8 mins ago, by набиячлэвэлиь
The guy on the trumpet isn't the best player in the world, I'll give you that
 
we got the idea minibartek, you're special
now move on
 
I'm too literal for normal human communcation
 
what's weird is that you don't think it's funny
 
user406009
@AlexM. Oh god that's horrible.
 
user406009
I wish I could unhear things.
 
4:39 PM
@Mr.kbok Why would it be?
 
my point
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok it's just cringe :V
difficult to listen to
 
user406009
@Ell The humor comes because it is at a wedding.
 
user406009
Humor is usually all about contrast. Using something in a manner it's not supposed to be used in.
 
4:42 PM
I find bad music to be funny, here's another
 
What's so funny about bad trumpet play on a formal occasion?
 
I laughed a lot at this
 
You get what you paid for v0v
 
> It's like the concept of rhythm is completely alien to them... howwwwww
lol
 
user406009
@набиячлэвэлиь It's not just bad, it's completely horrible.
 
user406009
4:44 PM
Someone could probably fart out a better melody.
 
@AlexM. wow
 
Not the best recording, but at least some notion of how trumpet should be played.
 
so bad the badness underflowed
 
user406009
@AlexM. Well, this is the pedantry room.
 
user406009
Accusing each other of being too pedantic is par for the course.
 
4:46 PM
hammers are better
 
user406009
Does anyone here know of any good webcomics like xkcd and smbc?
 
That does not compute
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus I guess you are one of those xkcd haters?
 
@Lalaland Questionable Content
 
4:56 PM
Was about to suggest that ^^
 
xkcd is mostly garbage
 
I read savagechicken and chainsawsuit
 
Apologies for the 9gag, but I feel like this is appropriate.
 

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